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How much can a home storage battery run in winter? Our real life examples. 

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Something to consider when deciding what home storage battery system to get is whether or not you expect it to cover your peak loads.
In this video my wife Kat and I show you a few examples from our own lives when we draw the most power, and I'll discuss whether or not it's possible for a home storage battery to cover those loads in the depths of winter when it's dark outside and there is no solar to help out.
Would a GivEnergy battery system be sufficient, or would we need to consider a myenergi libbi or Tesla Powerwall to be able to meet that demand? Does it even matter that much?
00:00 Introduction
01:06 Breakfast for Tim
03:14 Breakfast for Tim and Kat
04:11 Dinner time
05:15 Discussion
07:38 Outtakes
Please note that Tim is not a professional consultant, just an enthusiastic amateur, so cannot reply to requests for advice or opinions on specific systems or green investment opportunities. Thank you for your understanding.
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@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, I know, you can stagger your appliances to help reduce the peak load. I always forget to say something in these videos and it always comes back to bite me! Thanks for all the (many) comments pointing this out. My personal view is that I'm happy to accept a few pence of grid power per day but if you want to stagger your tea and toast by all means do so. Take it easy, all, and I'll see you in the next video.
@bloepje
@bloepje Год назад
I got a continuous load of about 600W for my house. But when the cooking starts: the peak is about 12kW. We have 2 3.8kW ovens, 1 Quooker of 1.6kW, an induction stove of 8kW. And a heated plate drawer. So 18kW, but I registered a max of 8kW so far. But yeah, this kitchen will be the only thing that determines the amount of batteries and inverters I need. Limiting battery use to 100A @ 50V I need roughly 3 batteries to accommodate cooking. Batteries will be 280Ah x 16 prismatic batteries with a seplos casing probably. Yes, I would be able to do 200A or more with that, but I don't want to overestimate my batteries. I'd rather underestimate them and have room for anything I forgot. But yeah, the kitchen means about 4 inverters, and the remainder of the house a single same spec inverter. With victron I should be able to stack the inverters and put them in low power mode after cooking.
@ShipsoftheOceans
@ShipsoftheOceans Год назад
*What is the spec of the batteries you have on the system? This video is really helpful to see what runs. We mostly have the clothes dryer and kettle going at once? We are looking into systems and batteries at the minute.*
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@ShipsoftheOceans at the time we recorded this video we didn't have our system installed so I mentioned a few examples of battery specs during the video (3.6 kW for some, 5 kW for others etc.). Here's the system we ended up with: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m1mIljYtFds.html
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@ShipsoftheOceans our current system has a GivEnergy Gen 2 hybrid 5 kW inverter which is capable of 3.6 kW output from the batteries alone, rising to 5 kW if there is solar too.
@ShipsoftheOceans
@ShipsoftheOceans Год назад
Great video aswell, its way far on, it would be a start off system I will be going for, a hybrid as we get a fair share of wind at the same time. 4000w solar and 6000w wind, would have a 7500w inverter on 24v 100ah 2560wh x2 for 200ah 5120wh starting. I dont know if the discharge increases like the ah and wh when connecting more together.
@chch242
@chch242 Год назад
This shows, how we took everything granted before we realized that energy is a precious thing.
@AdrianSmale
@AdrianSmale Год назад
It's amazing how all these systems makes you so aware of your power usage. We have gotten used to switching things on one after another where we can....eg boil the kettle, then switch on the microwave.
@jetfu400
@jetfu400 Год назад
very good visual testing... thanks for the info
@rjmacf0015
@rjmacf0015 Год назад
Thanks. Peak load is a simple but key issue that every person who is buying a system considers carefully. Very nicely demonstrated here. Well done both.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you, that's kind of you to say so.
@charlottecunninghammtb
@charlottecunninghammtb 9 месяцев назад
Great video. Some great information in there. Thanks :).
@clivepierce1816
@clivepierce1816 Год назад
Our Tesla Powerwall is sufficient to run our detached house off-grid the vast majority of the time. In winter we use cheap overnight electricity (Octopus Go) to charge our EV, heat our hot water and run our UFH. Six months ago we switched from a kerosene powered Rayburn to an ASHP, and this combined with our solar PV and battery storage is saving us a small fortune.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Sounds like a good setup.
@richardmarkham8369
@richardmarkham8369 Год назад
Clive, can you share your costs and expected ROI?
@LCD72
@LCD72 Год назад
@@richardmarkham8369 You might have to spend a small fortune to save a small fortune! I was quoted £10, 450 for a Powerwall install, though have to wait until next September to get it. Then recently had an email from installer saying Tesla have increased the price by £1260. So a PW is a big up front expense. Unless you're going to be in your house for many years (and the battery lasts long enough) cI'm not sure I'll get the money back from reduced leccy bills. So purely as a financial prospect - an investment with a ROI, it might not add up. I'm having second thoughts now, and may go for a cheaper system, if I can find a decent local installer. The PW's potentially self-combusting lithium ion technology is also starting to look a bit outdated.
@metalhead2550
@metalhead2550 Год назад
Great video, very informative, keep up the great work guys!
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you!
@davidmiller7435
@davidmiller7435 5 месяцев назад
Excellent, thanks
@blackcyclist
@blackcyclist Год назад
I'm looking forward to doing something just like this. You may want to boil kettle 1st then do your toast. Love the video
@prometheus4130
@prometheus4130 Год назад
A star is born. When is Kat starting her own RU-vid channel?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Ahem: youtube.com/@catkinandlillie
@prometheus4130
@prometheus4130 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk subscribed!
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@prometheus4130 not much overlap with this channel, admittedly.
@caravanstuff2827
@caravanstuff2827 Год назад
HI KAT... WELCOME TO THE SHOW.😺
@granzy500
@granzy500 Год назад
Great content
@andrewtang6318
@andrewtang6318 Год назад
One other high usage electrical appliances that most people forget about is the electric shower - that will draw from 7kwh to 10kwh depending on your shower. Depending on your family each usage can last from 10 mins onwards.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, indeed. Luckily we don't have an electric shower but that would be a big power draw for sure.
@blackhoundrise8431
@blackhoundrise8431 Год назад
Very interesting and thank you for sharing. We only just got solar installed back in October and are considering battery storage from 2023. They cost a lot 😅 but at current energy prices and further increases in the way, maybe I might break even in 6 years rather than 12-15 years estimated on our solar system (3.2kwp with solar edge inverter) By the way… I love your kitchen slick, clean and very nice!
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you, and good luck with your system.
@TommysDaddy
@TommysDaddy Год назад
useful, thankyou
@gino2465
@gino2465 Год назад
Tin and Kat great video. I have battery's myself and being aware of your usage is really very important indeed. My battery runs out much earlier in the winter months for sure but we try and reduce our usage. You have to continue life so you will use more. To save I have freezer in the garage and American fridge on timers that switch off the appliances for a period of 7 hours per day on the high rate use. Bearing in mind no one is opening it and closing it. When we have a break with good light so checking weather forecast is key to maximizing your system. So we would boil water using solar then flask it up for teas and coffee.when we need one say during day it's normally hot enough if not I will put in a cup of hot flask water to boil again but it's very quick with little KW as it's already hot. We have now managed to bring our homes KW over night and during the day to 150w as we switch everything off , so nothing is now on standby. We have noticed a huge difference in KW usage and our pockets. Next year my project is to buy a EV battery to use for my home use. But again it's how much it costs to save.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Nice, that's a neat trick with the flask. Our baseline is less than 100 W overnight but I'm not entirely sure how we manage that as we don't do anything special with turning everything off or anything. Just lucky I guess. Good luck with your future plans!
@andrewallen9918
@andrewallen9918 Год назад
Yes I also heat my thermoses, all 4 of them 😀 Then use to cook food with them (effectively preheating for the hob) as well as for hot drinks. I turn my fridge down to 2C during the day then up to 8C overnight. Have had solar PV and immersion diverter heater for many years so hot water is taken care of. Got the gas capped off last month as the standing charge was 2/3rds of the bill. I heat the house with local foraged wood. Also put a kettle on the woodburning boiler. Bought a portable duo induction hob as used to cook with gas. Charge my numerous bike torches and portable led lights to use at night as well the USB battery sticks. Makes a huge difference; have low wattage led lights so not too much energy if they’re turned on.
@gino2465
@gino2465 Год назад
@@andrewallen9918 top man it's hard to start this trend but we win in the end
@adamcole4808
@adamcole4808 Год назад
Great video. My Fronuis Gen 24 10kW with BYD batteries manages to cover our peak usage. Not sure why they are not more popular in the UK. Only downside is they have only just started allowing you to charge off peak overnight but software always improving. Lovely to see Kat and hopefully she will feature more in the future. I have really enjoyed getting my partner enthused will the solar/batter lifestyle.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you, yes, she's hard to schedule in but I do hope to get her involved more in future videos.
@VinoVeritas_
@VinoVeritas_ Год назад
@@singlendhot8628 How many battery manufacturers are using LiFePO4 cells that aren't manufactured in China?
@David-bl1bt
@David-bl1bt Год назад
@@singlendhot8628 presumably those people dont have a ; Car kettle Fridge Freezer Tv Radio Toaster Mobile phone Gas or electric boiler Oven Microwave Light bulbs Doorbell Anything battery operated Anything electrical not mentioned above. Clothes Shoes Household products Bedding & laundry Health & sanitary products Hair products Shaving products Food that is packaged in Chinese sourced materials......... Still, I guess that tent life is sufficiently enjoyable for them to stand firm on their beliefs .... I do hope that they haven't forgotten to check that the tent in which they live isn't made in China too, heaven forbid!🤔
@fredbloggs4829
@fredbloggs4829 Год назад
If we were to have blackouts, the issue with exceeding the limit when there is no grid to draw from is that the inverter shuts off. Which is massively inconvenient. Keep up the great work.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, indeed, you've got to be super careful not to draw too much from the battery in a blackout. I'm considering doing a video on that subject once we have our system installed and I know what the limits are.
@gonzo_the_great1675
@gonzo_the_great1675 Год назад
It is possible to add a non grid tied inverter to a system where you have access to all the components. Commercial, all in one offerings, possibly not. But you need to know what you are doing, and a bit of rewiring of the consumer unit is needed. Or running extra circuits/extension leads to critical loads. I will be turning my GTI off during any blackout season. So using all my solar to charge batteries to use when the power goes out.
@chrisprocter7626
@chrisprocter7626 Год назад
just starting to explore the bettery storage options with the energy prices now been off the scale so to speak so thanks for your video well done
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you, I hope it helps.
@MCow123
@MCow123 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for this, good demonstration. I’ve been struggling with this topic myself as I didn’t like the idea of spending all that money on a solar/battery setup with all that stored power and still drawing from the grid in the evenings. I’ve ended up settling, after MUCH deliberation, for the GivEnergy All-in-one (I appreciate this wasn’t available when you made this vid), as I’m attracted by the 6kw output / peak of 7.2. My installer is happy anyway as I’ve driven them mad with questions over the last 2 weeks before finally arriving at the setup I was looking for.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 7 месяцев назад
That's a good choice, in my opinion. If it had been available when we were deciding on our system I would have gone with the AIO. Although in reality we use so little grid power, even with the 3.6 kW limit. A couple of pence a day in the Summer (more in the Winter but that's because we run out of battery to power the heating by the evening at this time of year).
@paguk2000
@paguk2000 Год назад
Plan ahead boil the kettle before putting the toaster on get a 2 draw hair firer. Do a load of washing on off peak as well as the dishwasher
@livingladolcevita7318
@livingladolcevita7318 Год назад
If I wanted to be really frugal I could always use my slow cooker which is rated at 50 watts. Of course as mentioned one wouldn't necessarily use all appliances at once.
@dbcooper7326
@dbcooper7326 Год назад
I like your content and delivery style. To the point. Any news on the libbi availability and price ?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you, I appreciate you saying so. I've got no more news on the libbi yet, unfortunately, aside from a vague price that appeared on the myenergi website just after I published my video (£4600 excluding installation, presumably for the 5 kWh system). As soon as I know more I'll do a quick update video.
@engineer17151
@engineer17151 Год назад
I've only just seen this video ... and yes, I have subscribed. The detail you mention in the video was exactly the same stuff I researched when I was deciding what type of system to go for. After speaking with two or three companies about solar panels and batteries I opted to go for the following. A Sunsynk 5kw hybrid Inverter with DC coupled DMEGC 405watt solar panels, 16 in number, in two arrays, SE and SW facing ... feeding 2 Sunsynk 5.12kw batteries, 10.24kw in total. Typical house base load is around 150-250watts without heavy loads. The system was installed first week in Feb 2023 and even with cloudy days is holding its own very well with low winter sunshine. Even on overcast but bright days it generates in excess of 500watts and during very bright cloudless days even though the sun is still at low azimuth ... it recharges my batteries from a depleted level of 40% capacity back up to 100% by late lunchtime. It's max generation I've seen so far is roughly 4.3kwp and gaining as the sun rises higher in the sky. The Sunsynk batteries are fully BMS controlled and match the inverter perfectly ... with full comms via app or home computer. Incidently we never stagger anything, we just go for it ... The future looks good so far. Hope this helps.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That sounds like an excellent setup. Our E/W split array is hopefully getting installed this week (weather allowing) so I'm hoping to start benefitting from that springtime sunshine any day now.
@engineer17151
@engineer17151 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk When your installation is complete make sure to get it bird-meshed ... pigeons living under the panels cause havoc with soiling the panels, my neighbour has that problem ... however since mine was all meshed in they don't bother with our panels. ;)
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@engineer17151 I'll certainly ask our installer about that, thanks for the tip.
@markrichardson8299
@markrichardson8299 Год назад
I'm in tthe process of getting quotes atm, the front runner uses GivEnergy too, will definitely be holding out for Gen2 stock.
@thepete129
@thepete129 Год назад
We have a Moixa battery and the peak charge and discharge is just 2kw , even with this low level you can just about get it to work ,it a bit of a game, but when I don’t mind playing! We no longer use the kettle instead use the induction hob as can reduce the output to match our load .
@robinedwards218
@robinedwards218 Год назад
Looked at a few of your videos, interested to see your thinking and this one is a very nice demonstration I've not seen before. There is an option I think you did not highlight, that is to delay the toaster until the kettle has boiled. After all, will you notice if making toast is delayed by a couple of minutes (Tea brew time). That would be a zero cost option for keeping within limits of a battery (depending on it's capability). We've had Powerwall 2 for four years (next week) and found one of the big benefits of a battery is no longer needing to run things in cheap time overnight. I wouldnt be without it now, we only charge from Sun or in Go cheap period. However, a small amount of scheduling during the day can be required in winter (to keep under 5kW demand), but it is easy. From experience I would say always go for biggest flow in/out of battery that's in your budget. Many things don't take as much as you think, ovens for instance, big use during heating but once up to temperature the insulation is very good these days and consumption drops off massively. My personal preference is AC connected battery as the Inverter becomes SPOF if you have Hybrid (my understanding - happy to be corrected) resulting in loss of PV and battery if it fails (as I said, personal choice).
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yeah, I forgot to mention that in the video but staggering your appliances is always an option, of course. Although 2 mins of an extra 1 kW is 0.03 kWh, which is currently just over 1p, so I'm really not going to worry about that too much. Ideally I'd like to get a system that can cope with 5 kW peak, but it'll come down to availability and price at this stage, what with all the equipment delays right now. That would give us plenty of headroom in almost any situation. I do mention in the video about the oven only taking only a few minutes to heat up and that it's actually not that high a draw in the first place, so yeah, that's not too big a deal, thankfully. It's true that with a hybrid inverter you only have one place for your battery and solar to go through, but then you also have fewer items that could fail, so that could be seen as a plus. There are so many different pros and cons to the different setups I honestly don't know which is best. At this stage I'd be happy to get anything installed as it's been such a long delay! I'm glad you've had a positive experience with your Powerwall though, it sounds like you're making good use of it, which is the whole point of all this at the end of the day!
@cestmoi7829
@cestmoi7829 8 месяцев назад
Many thanks Tim (& Kat) - top hint to save you some energy & thoroughly enjoy breakfast more (Kit that is). Make oats in milk (or almond milk) the night before and leave it in the fridge; no hob or microwave required & it is so much better too 😋 try it and let us know 😃
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 8 месяцев назад
Kat does do that sometimes (particularly in the Summer). Overnight oats, she calls it. She prefers it hot in the Winter though.
@positivewellbeingshorts
@positivewellbeingshorts Год назад
Really good vid and started to follow. I am looking at solar and batteries and currently the top option is a SE option, 9pkw, with 8k SE inverter and an SE battery DC coupled. So my max I think would be 8k.... enough for anything needed really.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Sounds good. Worth checking that the inverter can charge and discharge the battery at the full 8 kW. Some of them have lower rates for the battery but I think the SE inverters do allow the full rate although I'm not 100% certain.
@positivewellbeingshorts
@positivewellbeingshorts Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Yeah not sure. Read somewhere it might be 5 per battery, will ask installers.
@alisterg3582
@alisterg3582 Год назад
I’m subscribed to this to see the changes after you have your system installed. I went through similar exercises and then I was guilty of becoming obsessed and then getting all shouty when the Mrs put multiple things on at the same time. I learnt quickly when seeing what the excess peaks cost post PV / battery to not stress the small stuff. To focus on the bigger consumers like the dishwasher / washing machine which are sustained loads and can easily be shifted to off peak and no battery draw. You can’t shift teatime and I personally wouldn’t size a system to cater for the one off peaks neither would I compromise on lasagne OR chips -Your peak time usage should be so low after getting the system installed you’ll look back and chuckle (My daily usage is ~18kWh off peak with about 0.5kWh peak with a SolarEdge 10kWh battery and 3.8kw inverter - I can live with that)
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, indeed, the point of this video was to demonstrate what the implications are of peak loads, not necessarily to change what you do to try and mitigate them. If that's the sort of thing folks want to do then that's fine, but as you say I'm not going to stress over a few minutes of grid use at peak loads. I wanted to make this video to help ensure people are aware of this sort of thing and don't assume that a battery will magically cut their grid use to zero! I'm very much looking forward to doing a follow-up video with the full system installed for comparison.
@alisterg3582
@alisterg3582 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk I'm looking forward to seeing the reactions when you get it installed. For me it has turned out far better (and easier to see / manage) once the system is in place. Best of luck and thanks for the content
@matthewmitchell6899
@matthewmitchell6899 Год назад
Lasagne *and* chips = double carbs -->> blood sugars spiking like crazy
@jonathanallen985
@jonathanallen985 Год назад
The oven will switch on and off as it reaches temperature, each switch on and off will lead to drawing from the grid as the batteries are delayed by 30 seconds each time - then the pennies stack up pretty quickly and there is no way round it I think if you are connected to the grid - Good video and illustrates the problem of peak usage beyond the capacity of the batteries
@rugbygirlsdadg
@rugbygirlsdadg Год назад
Our oven has a "boost" function (4kW) when pre-heating then it drops to about 2kW. So a reasonable mealtime load in the kitchen is 4kW for a short time, the 900W microwave and the kettle for brief periods. The peak could be kept at or below the 5kW Inverter output by not using either the kettle or the microwave while the oven is in boost mode.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yup, staggering the use of different high draw appliances is a good way to help mitigate the peaks, for sure. Requires a bit of extra planning but would soon become habit, I think.
@simonr4031
@simonr4031 Год назад
Really interesting and informative videos. I’m just about to start on this journey, and it is hard to cut through the green washing and misinformation - the 4x return on energy inputs from an ASHP being a prime example. I hope you don’t have any near neighbours, as we had new houses built next door to us, all with ASHPs, and the droning noise was so bad that we had to move. One of the new owners invited his daughter to stay over Christmas and she left after one night as the noise from the heat pump was so bad. If you are in a town you may not notice it, but in a quiet countryside location they are murder. Make sure you go and listen to your chosen pump first at a quiet time of day
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yup, we live in the quiet countryside and I was very concerned about the potential for noise, so I made sure I chose the quietest heat pump I could, and located it as far from neighbours' windows as possible. I've checked the noise level several times and it's barely noticeable more than a few meters away, so it's all good. In fact our own ensuite window is the closest to the heat pump (about 4-5m) and we can't hear it when the window is closed, and have to listen carefully to make it out when we open the window. Most modern systems are very quiet now so it sounds like the ones you've experienced were unusually loud. The 400% efficiency of heat pumps is not greenwashing though, that's a real thing, they really can be that efficient. We've been running our system for a couple of weeks and it's been keeping the house warm using less than 500 W so far (in fact right now it's drawing about 300 W). I'm expecting that to go up as it goes colder but we're currently using about 5 kWh of electricity for heating per day when we'd otherwise be using 20 kWh of gas, easy.
@simonr4031
@simonr4031 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk I should have expected you to research it carefully and do it properly! Thanks for sharing your journey, it's so helpful
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@simonr4031 haha! Yup, I'm not messing about. We'll be doing a thorough video showing our A2A heat pump system soon, covering choosing the system, why we went for A2A instead of A2W, how the installation went, and what it's been like living with it so far. And later in the winter I'll hopefully have some better data on how it performs when it gets really cold so we'll do a follow-up then. The whole point of this channel was to show some real world examples that might be helpful for other folks to see, so I'm hoping that'll be the case as we continue making more videos. Thanks for the support.
@tonykelpie
@tonykelpie Год назад
We have a Mitsubishi ECODAN 11kw output ASHP; it is very quiet - neighbour didn’t know we had it until we told her. We did listen to one at their showroom before buying. Multiplication factor is 3.4 in use, which is what was claimed
@waheex
@waheex 9 месяцев назад
great video. What package do you use to monitor your usage
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 9 месяцев назад
I currently use the GivEnergy app as that's the system I got installed earlier in the year (after this video was recorded). Octopus Energy also provide that data as a csv file if you want to delve into it more.
@johnrush3596
@johnrush3596 Год назад
Interesting experiment. I will confess I sat down with a calculator when I was doing the checks. I managed to do two things. 1) Get 36 solar panels and 2 by 5kw Solaredge inverters (aka max 10 kw of solar). 2) Get 2x Lux 3.6 AC inverters which on average provide up to 6.6KW combined power. This means that on a really good day in May we could have 8 to 9 kw from the Solar and up to 7kw from the batteries. The average over the year is more likely 4 to 5kw of solar, but this does allow for a large amount of flexibility. The key to all of this is agreement from the DNO, they need to agree that in the worse circumstances you could dump that amount of power on the grid. Of course, having 2 of the inverters increases the installation costs, but from a utility point of view it makes a big difference. We do seem to have the washing machine, tumble dryer and dish washer running most of the time, but that is what happens with a young family.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Goodness me, that's a monstrous system! Sounds amazing though.
@gezmonder
@gezmonder Год назад
My wife goes on about the double carbs but I really like lasagne and chips.
@covehurstbay9391
@covehurstbay9391 Год назад
Tim, you are doing a great job, thanks for your info videos. We are planning on getting a "Giv-HY 5.0 Gen 2" inverter with 4 x "Giv-Bat 9.5" batteries. This is to help power our 3-holiday lets &pool/ spa facilities. I understand each batter has 3.6KW charge/discharge power. As we have more than 1 battery we can achieve the full 5KW inverter output power. Is that correct, or will I only be limited to 3.6KW?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Thank you, I'm pleased you like what we're doing. That's a very good question about the multiple batteries. The way I understand it is that if all of the batteries are daisy-chained together and connected into the one inverter, it's the inverter that limits the charge/discharge rate, so you will only be able to charge up at 3.6 kW or draw 3.6 kW from those batteries. The inverter will still be able to output 5 kW of AC power but only if there is a combination of solar power, plus the batteries (unless you have 5 kW of solar power in which case all 5 kW will come from solar!). One option, since you have multiple properties, would be to split the system into two, or more, and have an inverter for each part. But not knowing the details of your setup I wouldn't want to presume that this is necessarily possible for you.
@grahamheath9957
@grahamheath9957 Год назад
Hi Tim and Kat, just a couple of things to think about here. First I would suggest you check very carefully that a 5KW inverter will be enough for the panels you propose as I’m not sure it will. I understand that east west will reduce the noontime peak, but I have 7.7KW of panels with a 7KW inverter and on the best days this last summer I saw over 6 generation (my panels are slightly south west/north east, but still split 12 panels on west and 8 on east. The other thing that you want to consider in terms of the load that would be covered by a hybrid inverter, is that the issue isn’t so much the peak load it’s more the large sustained loads that are the issue. In your example of the kettle that’s on for a couple of minutes, it’s only going to be some of that load that would be from the grid as most of it will be from solar or batteries assuming they have sun or charge respectively, however even if the whole of that was from the grid it would be around 0.1 of a kWh or 3p of electricity. On the other hand the tumble drier or the oven has a load over a longer time and so you will use much more in the way of kWh from that type of appliance. We have found that by running the devices such as dishwasher and washing machine one at a time, you can really reduce grid usage. Most of the inverters of the type that you are considering will have the 3.68KW limit due to trying to avoid the need for the other type of assessment by the electricity supply company as that’s apparently a lot more effort.
@rugbygirlsdadg
@rugbygirlsdadg Год назад
We're biting the bullet and going for two 5kW string inverters, one for each bank of 14 panels (east/west) and wearing the DNO approval delay. A 10kWh battery with a 5kW inverter and we shouldn't be using much grid energy at all. We're retired, so in during the day to run dishwasher/washing machine/tumble dryer(infrequently) straight off solar. The car charging will need to be managed, but I'm hoping just plugged in more often to the Zappi. Currently I'm plugging it in once a fortnight to top up from 50% to 80%.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
I calculated that our E/W split array would max out at about 5.3 kW, which is easily handled by the 5 kW hybrid inverter as that has a 6.5 kW max input limit. That extra 0.3 kW above the 5 kW AC output will be very rare but when it does happen those extra 0.3 kW will go straight through to the battery, which is handy (this clipping is something most hybrid inverters can do, apparently, which is nice). So yes, it's something I've accounted for but thanks for brining it up as it's something folks should consider. I did mention in the video that the cost would be on the order of pence for those short bursts where you're drawing a bit extra from the grid, so not really a huge deal for the most part. Our oven reaches temperature in about 5 mins, so a similar picture there. Certainly it's worth making note of other situations where the load is high, as you mention, but for us those were the big ones. I'd encourage other folks to make their own observations in a similar way.
@mahalwijetunge1073
@mahalwijetunge1073 Год назад
hi there, thank you for the content. I think power rating of the inverter/charger is a primary factor when deciding on the ESS (energy storage solution). According to the video you draw about 6 to 7 kWh during the morning and about 4 to 5 at night. There was no information about the day time use. However modern battery systems are made to power the whole house provided they fitted with the adequate inverter.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Well, not quite, this was a hypothetical demonstration of the sort of things you might want to consider when choosing home storage batteries, rather than an exact recreation of our day to day lives. There's no need for an inverter to be able to cover absolutely every watt, generally speaking these very high loads are short lived and infrequent so even if your inverter can only provide 3 kW you'll still be able to cover the vast majority of your needs with only minimal draw from the grid of a few pence per day. I'd say control over your system is more important than raw power capacity.
@simonmasters3295
@simonmasters3295 Год назад
​@@TimAndKatsGreenWalkGreat video! I am off grid and we rely on a pump for irrigation and domestic water. The pump draws 1kW regardless of volume used. This is on one lead acid system (PWM 24v 3.2KVA) with its own battery bank.. Domestic, including Kitchen stuff, is on Lithium 24v (2nd hybrid MPPT SCC 3.2KVA) Both have utility bypass (which is not available to me) but I am wondering what if I use the AC out from one hybrid system to boost the AC out of the other.
@phannaby2623
@phannaby2623 Месяц назад
I also have solar, you can use a feedback tariff during the day to offset the peak costs should you have to use a high power device even at peak times.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Месяц назад
Yup, and I do. Check out my many stats videos for more on that.
@richardaldous6170
@richardaldous6170 Год назад
Like you we Boil the Kettle, make Toast and Porridge in the Microwave. Kettle is put on, when it has Boiled Microwave is started and when eating the Porridge the Toaster is put on, so if you spread the load the Battery has no problem copping.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yup, we could do that but then our breakfasts would be ready at different times and we like to eat together. At the end of the day it's only a few minutes of grid usage so not the be all and end all, but I think it's useful to at least know when you're doing that in case you did want to change your behaviour to mitigate it at all, as you say.
@edwyncorteen1527
@edwyncorteen1527 Год назад
I have a very similar Neff oven, the full consumption is only as it is heating up, it uses very little when running, for morning porridge, use the gas hob and real porridge, takes only a couple of minutes and tastes soo much better and is much cheaper than microwave porridge! Our Powerwall gives a very steady 5kW output when needed.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
It is real porridge. Kat is a connoisseur.
@derongalloway
@derongalloway Год назад
I also have the Neff double oven. Did you check the power draw of the bigger fan oven?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@derongalloway about the same as the smaller one. One test I've not done is total energy use for the same length of time accounting for the fan assistance requiring a lower temperature. That's a bit harder to do.
@michaelking8573
@michaelking8573 Год назад
We have a 14 kWp solar array, 2 x ev, an air source heat pump coupled with a 5 year old Tesla powerwall 2. Because we have the DNO limit of 5.5 kW, the Tesla powerwall has a limit of the maximum 5 kW available to us and on top, the 3 inverters of the 14 kW solar array so we tend to do heavy loads during the daylight hours like the air source heat pump, washing and of course, electric car charging even on bright days in November. We use Octopus go to charge the powerwall to full every night during winter time and we have successfully avoided buying peak rate electricity, except for the reaction times from the powerwall from the induction cooker.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Very nice.
@hopgood007
@hopgood007 Год назад
Great video - apologies for the silly question but where do you get the meter from?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Our energy supplier provided it. If you have a smart meter you should be able to get your supplier to send you one.
@ooslum
@ooslum Год назад
It does seem rather daft in a post energy crisis era just how high a rate of energy consumption we use to heat a small amount of food. Alternative food warming solutions will be needed, a 1kw kettle will solve a lot of the problems. Argos have them for £10-£15.
@scottcompany4040
@scottcompany4040 Год назад
My 11.8kWh batteries run my house for about 6 hours in the winter and about 20 hours in the summer. Everything in my house is electric including my heat pump, (for heating and hot water), cooking and hot tub
@ecoterrorist1402
@ecoterrorist1402 Год назад
average power & stand by power is all the battery is designed for. Best advice i could give. Get it installed and & forget. System wait time on order is 6mts, don’t also forget the battery only install system is NETT + Vat. Saving are normally £50 month Also expect your installer to say the cost of material is only valid for 28 days, Payback 8-9 years.
@salibaba
@salibaba Год назад
We’ve had a Givenergy 3.6kW hybrid installed for a year with 3.6kWp of panels and 8.2kWh battery. A watch out when looking at the inverter output for peak loads, each single battery can only output 2.4-2.6kW power, same for charging. The rest up to the inverter max would have to be supplemented either by a second battery or if the solar is producing. During the summer I just set our timers to stagger things like the dishwasher and washing machine. It’s obvious to be able to tell when their heating cycles are running using the monitoring app with Givenergy. Long running constant loads are best for the Givenergy system as it can take a few seconds for the battery to react and start covering the load. Our small oven in our microwave drives it nuts cycling the heating element off and on constantly. We’ve ditched our kettle to the cupboard. Now use a stove kettle on the induction hob. Means we can boil at 1.2kW if we want, handy if there are other loads on like the toaster. During summer, the system can put out enough to run both without pulling from the grid.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Nice. Yeah, sounds like you have a gen 1 inverter, which is limited to 2.6 kW charge/discharge according to the data sheet. The gen 2 ones can do 3.6 kW charge/discharge, apparently, so a bit of an improvement but not as high as some other inverter options. At the moment we're setting our dishwasher and washing machine to run overnight during the cheap Octopus Go hours, but we'll do the same as you in the summer and set them going separately during the day when it's sunny. We're also replacing our gas hob with an induction one at some point so may do something similar with boiling water.
@salibaba
@salibaba Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk do your homework on the hob then. Make sure to get a power modulating model, basically it varies the kW output rather than cycling the power on and off. I’ve got one which cycles on and off, so if I’m on say position 7/9 on one of the rings, it clicks on for 5seconds, then off for 2. If it’s on 9 it just stays on the whole time for max power. I sell them and this came as a shock to even me. No pun intended. Apparently AEG have decent ones. I’ve got an older beko but apparently the newer ones don’t cycle.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@salibaba ooh, top tip, thanks! Kat has started looking into them so I'll mention this to her.
@gopakumarsudhir4766
@gopakumarsudhir4766 Год назад
My impression is that the biggest factor in supporting the peak load is the capacity of your inverter. Whatever the size of your solar array or battery is, the output would be the max supported by the inverter which in most cases is 3.6Kw. This is the max inverter capacity for a G98 application.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, that's exactly what I said in the video, although I realise I perhaps wasn't totally specific when I said battery-inverter systems. A lot of inverters support 5 kW discharge from the battery (I mention several of them in the video), and don't necessarily need more than the G98 as it's only the export to the grid that is limited, not the draw from the inverter for the house load, so you could have a 5 kW inverter that is limited to 3.6 kW grid export.
@coffeeman2079
@coffeeman2079 8 месяцев назад
Just had Guv energy 6.4KW array plus 9.5KW and soon realised that you have to put high load items on one at a time rather than all at the same time. So no Kettle , microwave and oven in at the same time !
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 8 месяцев назад
It depends how much you really want to limit grid draw. For the couple of minutes a kettle is running you'll only draw a small total amount if something else is running at the same time, so I'm not too worried about a couple of pence of grid draw per day. It doesn't have to affect your lifestyle at all, if you don't want it to. Unless you want it to, of course!
@philip_james
@philip_james Год назад
The temperature of the battery plays a part too, if your battery is installed outside, in a garage or loft and it is below 20'c then it will not be able to provide 3.6kw. I have heard that at 10'c the output drops to around 2.8kw
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That's very interesting and useful to know, thanks. I'll try to remember to mention that in a future video.
@ecoterrorist1402
@ecoterrorist1402 Год назад
No batteries will go in the loft, take the GIV energy battery over 100 KG, i would pay money to see anyone lift a battery up a loft 🪜, apart from the location in the loft all ladders could not stand weights of 100Kg plus person’s.
@philip_james
@philip_james Год назад
@@ecoterrorist1402 My neighbour just had theirs installed in the loft. There are also videos on RU-vid of loft installs.
@ecoterrorist1402
@ecoterrorist1402 Год назад
@@philip_james unless your neighbours installation don't foul the manual then that's okay. but giv energy installation are as follows: 5.2 Selecting the installation location Ø This is guidance for installer to choose a suitable installation location, to avoid potential damages to device and operators. Ø Raintight or wet location hubs that comply with the requirements mentioned in this installation manual are permitted. Ø The unit shall be mounted at least 914 mm (3 feet) above the ground. Ø The installation location must be suitable for the inverter's weight and dimensions for a long period time. Ø Select the installation location so that the status display can be easily viewed. Ø Do not install the inverter on structures constructed of flammable materials. Ø The humidity of the installation location should be 0~95% without condensation. Ø The installation location must safely accessible to get at all times. Ø Vertically installation or tilted backwards by max. 15°. and make sure the connection of inverter must be downwards. Never install horizontal and avoids forward and sideways tilt. Ø Be sure that the inverter is out of the children’s reach. Ø Don’t put any things on the inverter. Do not cover the inverter. Ø Do not install the inverter near television antenna or any other antennas, antenna cables. Ø Inverter requires adequate cooling space. Providing better ventilation for the inverter to ensure the heat escape adequately. The ambient temperature should be below 40°C to ensur e optimum operation. Please make sure the inverter is installed at the right place, so unless there is a stair case & proper insulation with a giv energy installation will void the warranty not with standing getting the batterys up any staircase. i'm an installer i know what i'm talking about.
@ecoterrorist1402
@ecoterrorist1402 Год назад
@@philip_james if they have a Giv install, are you going to do the neighbourly thing & tell them about the lack of warranty they now have. Ps YT can also be full of shite & good advice as well.
@bobbazley5376
@bobbazley5376 Год назад
Kat's choice of porridge in the morning is excellent, not only is it healthy but its the choice of champions and Scottish (which I just happen to be!) I use an Air fryer for most things if I can as it is more efficient. The main draw that I have from the grid if I dont have solar and battery is the electric shower which is 9kWh for the duration of the shower but then if i have battery it gets 3.6 from that and solar at full production gives me another 3.5 kWh so best scenario is i can be OFF GRID when its a battery and solar production of 7kWh. Thanks for sharing your information
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Kat sure does love her porridge. She sometimes has it for lunch too! Yeah, electric showers are a killer. We're luckily able to heat a hot water cylinder using excess solar so we don't get that large power drain. Or at least we will once we get the solar installed (hopefully soon).
@bobbazley5376
@bobbazley5376 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk For your water heater the excess solar is really only good for summer when its the time when you probably least need hot water as much. I only have oil as an option for my heating (it also heats the water) so going to Air to Air for my heating is planned and will be done during the next quarter. For your hot water do you have option to replace your hot water tank ? I would seriously take a look at the Dimplex Edel hot water tank with the built in ASHP as that during the summer would be nearly 100% charged by solar and the ability to time shift to the battery will also work well in winter as well as the much higher COP. I aim to replace my water tank at the same time as the heating. have a look at the dimplex (Im not a salesperson for them Im just thinking after much research that it probably is the most efficient way to heat water all year round). Id be interested to see what your thoughts are on it. FB me and PM me if thats easier. Have a great weekend and buying popcorn so I'm ready for the next Tim and Kat show about Cosy !!
@bobbazley5376
@bobbazley5376 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk forgot to mention I have solar for two years now and its awesome ... maybe even super awesome. Summer months my bill was £25 pound each month and most of that was the standing charge also have 12kWh Battery. You are going to become obsessed with the solar and monitoring it !!! Kat will be happy as she can spend more time with the needle work :)
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@bobbazley5376 as it happens I do plan on replacing the hot water cylinder with a heat pump version (Vaillant AroSTOR was the one I was looking at). At the moment we've got an eddi ready to go and until such time as the solar can do the heating we should be able to use the eddi to heat the water during cheap overnight rate, so still works out well, cost wise. The heat pump cylinder will further reduce that too, as you say.
@bobbazley5376
@bobbazley5376 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk sounds like you are ahead of the curve with looking at your replacements for the traditional heating and hot water solutions. I'll take a look at the Vaillant arostor and compare. I think the eddi is a good option Im just not sure how it would work with Solar then battery then eddie ?
@JustMeTalking
@JustMeTalking Год назад
Our setup is:- 7.2 kWp Solar Array with 5 kW inverter 27 kWh Tesla Powerwall Storage & Gateway 1 x 7 kW Car Charger for Solar Excess 2 x 22 kW Car Chargers for Fast Grid 8 kW Heat Pump 1 x Tesla Model 3 Performance Car 1 x Skoda Enyaq VRS Car (on order) 3 Phase Smart Meter on Octopus Go EPC A+ Rated House Retrofit in 2021 (EPC Scored 107 out of 100)
@Biggest-hz7ng
@Biggest-hz7ng 18 дней назад
Could we have a "Tim and Kat's Green Walk" video with the two of you in green fields or forests, walking arm in arm, pointing out things to each other off-camera and laughing, perhaps soundtracked by Greensleeves or similar?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 17 дней назад
Careful what you wish for!
@lyracian
@lyracian Год назад
I have 10 kWh Solar Edge Battery rated with 5 kW output. However the Inverter is only 4 kWp which limits the amount it can draw from the battery. The grid is also quicker to pick up extra power needs than the battery; whenever we turn something on there is always a few watts drawn from the grid. As for your examples have you ever though of turning the toaster on after the kettle has boiled?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
I think a lot of systems will allow a little grid power through before they're able to balance the load, some are quicker than others though. Staggering the kettle and toaster is absolutely an option but I wanted to show what happens if you keep the same usage patterns as you'd be used to without a battery. It's then a question of personal preference as to whether you want to adjust your behavior to save a few watts or are happy to draw a bit from the grid now and then.
@sajithvarkey854
@sajithvarkey854 Год назад
Hi Tim ..I have a query .I got two quotes one with solis 5kw and puredrive 2 5kwh battery and another with Giv energy gen 2 hybrid and 5.12 kwh givenergy battery . Which one should I go for . The charge and discharge rate is better on solis and puredrive I beleieve. What is your honest opinion. Thank you
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
I'm afraid I can't give you an honest opinion because I've not used Solis or Puredrive products. The one thing I will say is that the level of control you have over a system is more important than almost any other feature so check to see what you can do with it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4jpWeRkkJRo.html
@Extragonk
@Extragonk Год назад
Really interesting comparison work, the kettle draw is one of the reason we wend for a hot tap, it draws less at spike and makes coffee/tea making a 20 second task instead of waiting for the kettle, the temp recovery on the system is really short too as it's only topping up a cup volume, not a whole kettles worth
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
I'm curious to know what the total energy consumption is of those hot taps over a conventional kettle filled with only what's needed for that round of drinks (for say 8-10 hot drinks per day). Since it's storing a reservoir of hot water presumably there is some loss, but perhaps the reduction in peak load is worth that compromise. I need to find out more about it and do some sums.
@Extragonk
@Extragonk Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk I can stick an energy meter on the tap and provide some test data if you want.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@Extragonk that would be very interesting, thanks!
@djtaylorutube
@djtaylorutube Год назад
There's no reason to fill a kettle with any more water than needed. The energy required to boil one cup of water is the same whether it's from a 3kW kettle or a 1kW kettle or whatever. The energy required is a function of power and time which equals the work done.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@djtaylorutube yes, but if you store that water some of that heat will leak out, regardless of how well insulated the container, so it would need a little boost over and above the energy required to bring it to the boil in the first instance. So these hot taps might well require more overall energy to run than using a kettle filled with just what's required each time
@Haforn-ng2vy
@Haforn-ng2vy Год назад
Am I right that the charge and discharge rate will also effect how much you will be able to charge your storage during a cheap tariff window? so the 5kWh might be necessary if you have a 4 hour window and 20kWhs of storage?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, exactly, and I cover that very thing in a couple of my previous videos ;)
@robertcollins1371
@robertcollins1371 Год назад
Haha I literally did this test myself the other week, even went as far as to measure one pan on the induction hob for all 10 heat settings. I noticed you have the same sage nespresso machine I used to have before it broke, be interested to know what that uses both for a shot of espresso and then the steamer?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Nice. Yeah, I meant to pay attention while Kat was making her coffee just now but I missed the espresso but and only caught the steamer. Looked like it was about 1.5 kW but I'll try and catch it next time for a better reading and I'll let you know.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
I can confirm both the espresso bit and the steamer both use about 1.5 kW at peak power, but neither lasts for very long.
@martinweston8147
@martinweston8147 Год назад
I guess peak is a luxury you look at after total consumption or kWh storage capacity is more important then single peak load when it comes to sizing your battery. Ie I’m having 5kwh installed soon it won’t matter if it can’t cover peak load it my daily load is above 5kwh as I know I’ll need some grid supply anyway.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, exactly, that's a good way to think about it.
@showme360
@showme360 Год назад
We have a 5.5kw Hybrid Inverter and a 21kWh battery pack which handles all our needs, but we do have to monitor our useage because we don't have a Eddi. Your video is interesting to compare, but one thing you might want to include is the recharging of the battery pack, as the charging rate can vary between Inverters usually 60A - 100A DC. This will determin the time taken to charge the battery pack to 100% within the cheap tariff time frame of four or five hours. Our Inverter charges at 60A (DC) which translates into 3kw x 4 hours will provide 12kWh of stored energy. Plus our up rate house fuse is 80A so we can charge everything over night including 2 EV cars, one Battery Pack, and a Sunamp and a ASHP which can also kick in adding the final 2kw making it 18kw drawn from the grid at one time, which falls just below the house fuse limit at 78A. We can take measure to avoid this by swapping the car chargers over, as one of the cars can only charge at 3kw. We have a 7kw and a 3kw wall chargers and by swapping the plugs over so that the 7kw car charges at 3kw and the 3kw stays as is, so dropping the 78A down to safer level of 65A. Thinking ahead does save any unforceens!!
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, indeed, some of my previous videos cover this very thing.
@showme360
@showme360 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk But you should still mention it in this video about your previous video and offer a link, because in my mind the two go hand in hand.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@showme360 there is no should. If I kept repeating things I've said in previous videos they'd be very tedious and long. This video was about one particular subject and it works just fine as it is.
@jasonblair4516
@jasonblair4516 11 месяцев назад
I have a 10kw lux power inverter and 3 x Greenlinx 3.6 kw batteries that seem to be able to handle 5.5kw charge and discharge.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 11 месяцев назад
Very nice
@flitsies
@flitsies Год назад
Just get a bigger inverter and up the storage capability to take into account the extra draw. Or put in a separate system off grid to help out on some of the other devices. Unless you're going to produce lots of power it's all about balance.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
"just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. Everything is a compromise.
@flitsies
@flitsies Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk But it doesn't have to be that much of a compromise. Inverters are not that expensive, batteries are. You could run a bigger inverter from the same battery pack but it would deplete them quicker so would work harder so an upgrade of the pack would solve that issue. As you already have a pack you could splice in extra capacity assuming it's off grid, if not then a separate system could be used along side the system you have presumably. From what I have been finding out many systems seem to struggle because they are attached to the grid, take them off grid and you are free to do what you like, 3.8kw on grid or 15kw or more off grid. Ànd you can add as you go along. Seems the better solution to me. Batteries are expensive, but so long as you look after them they will last a long time.
@gonzo_the_great1675
@gonzo_the_great1675 Год назад
You will only be able to additionally draw from the solar, on peak loads, if you have an AC coupled system. I don't know if that includes the majority of commercial home battery installs? On my DC coupled system, I have the GTI capacity, and that is it. In my case the max I can offset is 900W, but as you point out, the peak loads are only transient. It is the quiescent loading that dominates my power useage. Scaling the GTI up to cover peak loads would just not be cost effective.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Some folks have mentioned that you can charge your battery from the solar panels in a power-cut if you have a hybrid inverter. I don't know much about that though and would like to learn more to know for sure if that's possible and under what circumstances. Does it need setting up in a particular way, for example.
@gonzo_the_great1675
@gonzo_the_great1675 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk I agree. As you pointed out, these peak loads are very transient, and realistically only cost pence. I don't have a hybrid inverter, so don't know what their carpabilities are, in terms of running with the grid down. Also I suspect the term is used quite loosly and doesn't really describe a particular piece of equipment. If it can invert whithout the grid being presnt, then it should be possible to isolate the grid at the consumer unit and then turn on the hybrid inverter. And it may be possible to set them to only charge the battery, leaving you with battery capacity in reserve. My own system is very DIY and made up of building blocks, so I am in full control of charging etc. In reality, most of us are only going to see limited and planned power outages. In such cases it doesn't really make much sense to try and engineer a full house power backup, for what little use it will actually get. Getting some camping lanterns/gas burner, having a meal pre-cooked using the timer on the oven, setting the heating to warm the house in advance, should make power cuts quite trivial. The internet/4g would probably go down, so no need to keep TV/PC's going. I will be doing a full house backup, but just because it's a fun project, rather than any practical necessity. In the last big power cut we had (12hrs), I just grabbed stuff from the camping box.
@jasonmurphy179
@jasonmurphy179 10 месяцев назад
Have you tried to make one thing at the time so that high load doesn't become a problem? anyway a kettle or toaster just takes few seconds or minutes to run
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 10 месяцев назад
That's an option for those who want to save every Watt from coming from the grid, but for the sake of 2p per day I don't really worry about stuff like that.
@barriebirch7956
@barriebirch7956 Год назад
Having 3.6Kw Inverter means that you can only draw 3.6kW usage from solar or battery at a time without having to draw from the grid. So on making breakfast etc first make your toast and then after it's done switch on the kettle to make your hot drink; in that way everything is free. Plan your usage.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That is certainly one way to do it. Depends if you'd rather adjust your lifestyle to eek out every watt, or you're happy to accept a bit of grid power for a few minutes a day.
@alastairclark9423
@alastairclark9423 Год назад
Boil the kettle then, while the tea brews, do your toast. 5 mins should be enough to do the toast and then the tea will be ready and you won’t exceed the maximum power draw. It’s about small changes that add up to bigger saving in the long run!
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That's always an option for those that want to find every saving possible.
@georgejohnson7591
@georgejohnson7591 Год назад
That's what I do, I want to wring as much as I can out of my installation! On reflection, paying a little extra for a 5kw inverter instead of the 3.6kw one might have been a better choice to handle the peak loads. Isn't 20/20 hindsight wonderful?
@slifox2752
@slifox2752 Год назад
Don’t use a 3kw kettle or stagger the usage… I use a electric airpot that boils the water slower but at 750w… Use things like the glass air fryer and instapot for low energy cooking or rice cooker to boil vegetables and sauces…
@mikesl1573
@mikesl1573 Год назад
I a now looking at a Sunsynk system with 4 x 5.1KW batteries which on Octopus Go will give just over 20KW for 4 hours charge which is my average On peak daily usage and I am thinking that if I use one of their 8KW Inverters that will allow me to draw 8KW (36amps) at any one time What do you think?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yeah, that sounds pretty good, although there's one caveat. I'm not sure the 8 kW inverter will give you 8 kW from the batteries though as it may be the battery discharge rate limits you to 5 kW (I think). If you've got solar connected to it too then the solar could provide the extra 3 kW, potentially. Worth checking the data sheets for both the inverter and batteries to see what the limits are but if I remember correctly the Sunsynk batteries max out at 5 kW, so you might not be able to make full use of the 8 kW inverter.
@edc1569
@edc1569 Год назад
If you're grid tied, I really wouldn't worry about the odd peak load from a kettle or toaster, better off paying a few pence for the grid to pick it up than hundreds for the additional inverter capacity.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yup, exactly.
@razorg4421
@razorg4421 Год назад
Great video! 1 thing I'm not 100% sure on though which I'm hoping you may be able to answer. You say that in summer months the limited 2.6kw distribution of battery can be topped up by solar. How does that work? Am I right in thinking it could be 2 6kw fed in by battery & 3.6kw fed in by solar due to 3.6kw inverter giving a total of 6 2kw or am I talking nonsense?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
If you have a 5 kW inverter, say, and the battery can discharge at a maximum of 2.6 kW, then you can still get 5 kW from the inverter as long as there is 2.4 kW coming from the solar. If, however, you had 4 kW coming from solar then the battery would only need to discharge at 1 kW to reach the maximum output of the inverter. If you had a 3.6 kW inverter then you'd only ever get 3.6 kW from it in whatever combination of solar + battery you had available. I hope that makes sense.
@razorg4421
@razorg4421 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Thats answered the question. I will be getting a 3.6kw inverter. Hopefully it will cover majority of usage & limit what I take to the grid to a few pence here & there. Thanks
@yannthefox4069
@yannthefox4069 Год назад
Hi Tim what’s the name of your in House display wich follows your instant consumption please. Thks Yann
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Not sure, it was given to us by Octopus when they replaced our meters. It says it's made by Chameleon Technology Ltd though, if that helps.
@yannthefox4069
@yannthefox4069 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 👍👍👍. Thanks a lot. You’re way ahead in GB 🇬🇧 compare to us in 🇫🇷 for exemple in term of technical solutions and projects to cope with the energy crisis. Keep Going.
@kevinikini6409
@kevinikini6409 Год назад
Buy a 600watt 2 cup rapid boil travel kettle will save you a small fortune use the 3000 watt kettle only when you need more than 2 mugs of hot drinks
@edwardpickering9006
@edwardpickering9006 Год назад
Same applies to just solar PV, you are never going to cover your entire peak demand unless you have 6kw+. The holy grail of all of this of course is Vehicle To Grid, coming on CCS sometime after 2025 it appears...
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yup that would be great
@michaeledwards8079
@michaeledwards8079 Год назад
you need to plan better, put the toaster on and when it pops up then put the kettle on, same with the cooker, when the oven reaches its temp and the lasange goes in then put the chips in the air fryer which takes less time to cook anyway, if you plan your consumption when using batteries and the panels to lessen the immediate load there should be no problem
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
yeah, that's not really the point of this video. I know we could do all that but we're trying to demonstrate that you can continue to keep your same lifestyle you'd just need to accept a small amount of grid use for a few minutes a day, which isn't that big a deal. Unless you want to do all that stuff of course. I'm not telling people what to do, just pointing out the options. People can live their lives how they choose.
@johnb7644
@johnb7644 Год назад
Are you talking about the 3.6kw or the 5kw
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Both gen 2 hybrid inverters have a 3.6 kW max discharge rate.
@timlockwood8505
@timlockwood8505 Год назад
And what about when the power cuts come?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
A lot of systems have some form of power-cut back-up that allows the battery to run some circuits, or in some cases the whole house. Some require more effort to set up than others though.
@simonsangster5404
@simonsangster5404 Год назад
I'm looking at a 5+kW PV and 10kWh battery setup and I've been through exactly the same investigation. In my case with a background load of around 600w then switch on 3 induction rings, oven , 1000w microwave (which actually uses 2.1kW) and someone switches on the kettle - I'm drawing 12kW..... I've also downloaded a year's worth of data from my Octopus Go account in 1/2hr time slots, so quite a lot of data. I then analysed it in Excel to give me the range of the kWh load at peak and off-peak rates. N.B. kWh, not Kw so its actual consumption in a 1/2hr, not instantaneous load. I banded this as:
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
I applaud your commitment to understanding your requirements. That's definitely a good thing to do to make sure you get the best system for you. I wish you the best of luck!
@richardmarkham8369
@richardmarkham8369 Год назад
When your peak load exceeds the inverter/battery capacity, does the inverter switch to 100% grid supply or does it continue to output its max from the battery?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
The battery will provide as much as it can and then the rest is topped up from the grid.
@richardmarkham8369
@richardmarkham8369 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk And does that happen seamlessly with no power glitches, spikes or brownouts?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@richardmarkham8369 it should be seamless if everything is working properly.
@edc1569
@edc1569 Год назад
@@richardmarkham8369 Yes its a grid tied system, the grid is always presence so there's no sagging or glitches, though if the power goes out the inverter shuts down with it (though you can have emergency power circuits fitted and changeover switches)
@CastleKnight7
@CastleKnight7 Год назад
Am I right in saying that if your inverter is larger than 3.6kwh, then you need approval from your Distribution Network Operator as they may need to do some upgrades to the electrical network?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yes, larger than 3.68 kW requires a G99 application from your DNO although usually your installer will sort that out for you. Smaller inverters need a G98 application but those are always granted as far as I know.
@CastleKnight7
@CastleKnight7 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalkThanks for confirming that Tim. I look forward to seeing your installation and operational videos!
@gino2465
@gino2465 Год назад
Quick question please. With everyone running to get solar and battery s as they think it's the awnser to saving them from huge bills and to have electric when we have black outs.we have recently heard the possibility of more blackouts ,let's see. It's great to see these videos as they hopefully will give a real time understanding of your investment. Also as I like to ask a key point. When we are all in say January every day we wake up to ice outside, we have had a 2 day power cut and it's week day so you need to go to work. So in this rare instants, for me living rural it's actually reality , do you think your battery system will keep you going for 2 to 3 days . Bear in mind we are all being warned of power cuts in the press. For all those who are transitioning from focil to all electric go back to my question. Do you believe your solar and battery s will work out for you. Reality is NO . Your going to be cold , hungry , and cannot wash or use your ev to drive to work. You all need to think about reality , make sure you have some kind of heating available. For those who use focil boilers count your self lucky as a cheap petrol generator will happily fun your heating and hot water and cooking should not be an issue. You will not be able to use a cheap small petrol generator if your home is totally reliant on heat pumps as they need a lot more power to run them. Your solar will not work to charge your battery's as regs shut them down if there is no grid. You may now be thinking what planet is this person from lol. I am from the planet reality, I will always have gas and an heat pump, I will always have a generator spare in case with enough fuel for weeks and yes I have one generator ready just to charge my ev. I hope I never have to use them. I have 13 KW solar system, one off grid 1 bank of 5kw battery and 3kw on my off grid system . All fantastic in the summer, reality October to march not so good. But nothing wrong with having solar or heat pumps or EVs green is good, but when the whole country goes 88% electric this will be interesting on our reliance for electricity. All my eggs in one basket is not what I do.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Ok
@intheyear2510
@intheyear2510 Год назад
Sounds sensible to me , I have a 5kw giv energy system and a 7.5 kw off grid backup system which will provide 7.5kw during any blackouts we may or may not experience
@wajopek2679
@wajopek2679 Год назад
Have you decided on what PV system you are going get?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
You mean in terms of panel type and array size? We're going for 18 JA Solar 395 W all-black panels, split into East and West arrays of 9 panels each. 7.11 kWp total.
@andylees2940
@andylees2940 Год назад
Can always stagger your use of hi load items so as not to exceed peak battery capability.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That's always an option if you absolutely want to prevent grid use. Or you don't stress it and accept a few minutes of grid use per day for an easy life!
@Pressure_23
@Pressure_23 2 месяца назад
I want a high charge rate so I can stock up on cheap electrons to feed high consumption through the day. ASHP means lots of import, my solar is
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 2 месяца назад
Yup, definitely something to consider. The GivEnergy All in One has a charge rate of 6kW, that might be worth a look if you've not already considered it.
@Pressure_23
@Pressure_23 2 месяца назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk yes, thank you, the GE AIO is currently my top contender!
@uksupporter8867
@uksupporter8867 Год назад
Have you found out the life expectancy of your inverter and the cost of replacing it, I was quoted £800 before vat after 4.5 years
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
The warranty is usually 5 years but I'd expect most to last a lot longer.
@PhilJohn1980
@PhilJohn1980 10 месяцев назад
Have you considered a boiling water tap? The Quooker uses hardly any power (10W per day to keep the water in the vessel at temperature) and you always get exactly how much you need, so you're not boiling water you're not going to use.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 10 месяцев назад
We did consider it, yes. Decided against it though
@johnbodnar3720
@johnbodnar3720 10 месяцев назад
I noticed your equipment uses less power than equipment in Australia, my Microwave uses 1000 watts just on, not running, then another 900 on top of that to cook.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 10 месяцев назад
The microwave certainly uses a lot more than the cooking power. Maybe not double, but a good chunk extra.
@EddieGittins
@EddieGittins Год назад
10kWh Inverter and a 20kW Battery is on my wish list. My average is 11kW per day. My peak is 32kW with AirCon in Aug 2022. Also I plan to use more for heater after installation.. any recommendations??
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
We recently had aircon installed for heating mostly and it's been working really well so far. Can you use yours for heating too?
@EddieGittins
@EddieGittins Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk. Yes its good for heating too. if it x3 efficient than a normal electric heater then that s about the same as gas.. Im still not sure these figures though. But with a Battery i’m gonna use the A/C heat pump always. hence the need for more capacity
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@EddieGittins yup, I did a video about this a few weeks back. I've concluded that I'll start with one battery of 9.5 kWh and maybe add another later, but initially it looks like it wouldn't necessarily be worth it so I'd like to get some better data before deciding for sure.
@salibaba
@salibaba Год назад
@eddiegittins That sounds a little over the top. Consider a smaller battery, it’s not much hassle to add a bigger one later if you end up needing it. I suspect over sizing it would mean your not going to be using it to its capacity regularly, except the odd time. That’s just spending extra money on a stranded asset. A 10kW inverter again may not be achievable easily unless you have a 3phase supply. Many folks on single phase get restricted to 5-6kW output by their DNO. Plan for your average, not the peak of every situation as you may end up wasting a fortune. Think of it like a couple buying a 6 bedroom house just Incase all of their relatives stay over once a year. Hope you get your dream eventually.
@EddieGittins
@EddieGittins Год назад
@@salibaba Hello and thank you for your message. the more we speak the more we learn so i’m am very happy you replied. I understand your point about a system that’s too large.. It’s expensive and wasteful.. I took my first average readings in the months of Jul & Aug. with a new AC unit running all day took my average to 32kW h. So i thought 20kW was a compromise.. Now the average as dropped so you are right. I’m thinking 15kW battery may be enough.. 2x 5kW Inverters from Victron can be phase matched to produce the 50kH Cycle in Sync. Also they do a 10kW too. I still think 5 or 6kWh is not enough. My aim is to make Grid Usage Zero by Day. ;)
@robert_minarik
@robert_minarik Год назад
I i want to run everything on electricity (heating a hot water) and dont want solar just batteries to be charged off peak and discharge during day, what solution am i looking at? My daily consumption would be 50kWh tops, as no solar i would looking likely at AC coupled, something modular? Your input is much appreciated…thx
@jason8966
@jason8966 Год назад
If you need to account for peaks an easy and expensive solution is powerwall. Each will provide a 5kw charge/discharge rate and you can stack up multiple (also stacks up both charge and discharge rates)
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That's a huge daily usage, you'd struggle to find any system capable of charging up that much in the cheap overnight period. Unless you have a three phase supply and add a battery system to each phase separately. My advice is to consider a ZEB boiler for your heating and a timer on your immersion heater for your hot water. Then you might be able to cover the rest of your usual electricity usage using a standard battery system (see some of my other videos for examples, or the ones I mentioned in this one).
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Or consider a heat pump system for your heating and hot water, which would dramatically reduce your electricity demand.
@jason8966
@jason8966 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk ​ I don't think you'd need a three phase supply. You can probably stack up 4 poweralls and charge them during night which would cover you both in terms of capacity and charge/discharge rate. It's just expensive.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@jason8966 on one phase you'd risk exceeding the 100A limit with multiple Powerwalls. And a DNO would have a fit! They'd probably insist you have three phase if you wanted more than a couple of Powerwalls (maybe even if you wanted only two!)
@user-rc8oj3zw2z
@user-rc8oj3zw2z 5 месяцев назад
you can expect a charge in your battery in winter of around 1.5kw to maybe 2 max, battery in winter is going to do little the same as solar in winter is going to do very little, thats with a 6kw array, most winter days you can expect pretty much no charge in your battery, batteries are a must tho, they buffer your loads and obviously let you run 24/7 in good daylight hours
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 5 месяцев назад
We can charge our batteries at 3.5kW overnight using a cheap off-peak tariff. Not sure where you got your 2kW max from. Are you suggesting you can only charge your batteries from solar? Charge your batteries overnight with a time of use tariff during Winter for the best results.
@user-rc8oj3zw2z
@user-rc8oj3zw2z 5 месяцев назад
Ahh yes sorry was referring to solar we cant get a cheap off peak tarrif that's viable for us. You can also get a 1.5kw kettle then if you have the oven or the washing or the dishwasher on you should be under your 3.6kwh output max.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 5 месяцев назад
@@user-rc8oj3zw2z ah, that's a shame. It makes a big difference for us in the Winter being able to charge the battery overnight. I'm also not too bothered about a little bit of grid draw each day in the Summer, it usually amounts to a couple of pence at most, as the time spent above the battery limit is usually very small. In practice 3.6 kW appears to be plenty for our purposes.
@user-rc8oj3zw2z
@user-rc8oj3zw2z 5 месяцев назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Yes i agree 3.6kw inverter does enough. Yeah we need an ev to get those tarrifs. The Leaf is interesting but not one i would really want to own. You can use the new ones to either power your house from the cars battery or obviously drive the car, you would still need a small dedicated home battery though. but so far the inverters make a horrific level of noise.... one day soon ) Good luck Tim
@dheaddy
@dheaddy Год назад
My biggest takeaway from this video was the premise of lasagna and chips as a meal. Got enough carbs there guys? 😉
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
You never been to pub and seen this on the menu? It's a pub classic. Also, my biggest takeaway from your comment is that you're very judgemental and need to reevaluate how you interact with people you don't know online.
@dheaddy
@dheaddy Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk I hoped the emoji showed I was making a light hearted humourous comment and not trying to troll you. That wasn't my intention. I still watched the video from start to finish and found it very informative. Clearly I haven't been going to the right pubs.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@dheaddy perhaps I was a little harsh. Honestly, I didn't even spot that emoji when I first read your comment and replied in haste. You're not the first to point out the double carb thing but I wonder why folks point this out yet will probably not bat an eyelid at burger and chips appearing on a menu, or ordering a side of garlic bread with their pasta. Especially considering how little actual pasta is in lasagne, relatively speaking. When you start a RU-vid channel you open yourself up to this sort of comment, of course, but boy, I was sure not prepared for my lifestyle or personal choices to come under such critique. I'm much more careful about what I include in our videos now but even so every time there will be something I didn't anticipate that someone will pick up on. The internet is weird.
@chas3997
@chas3997 Год назад
The masses are generally asses and want full use of their back systems but back is only as good as the users knowledge 😁
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Sure
@chas3997
@chas3997 Год назад
It doesn’t have peak load just don’t use high wattage appliances at the same time simple! Common sense is needed when using battery back up and technical understanding.👍
@chas3997
@chas3997 Год назад
You don’t have you use multiple appliances at the same time people must use common sense 😬
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Ok
@fire_stick
@fire_stick Год назад
I’m sure there is a gd reason you don’t put the chips in the oven along with lasagne so your not having an additional load of the air fryer 🤔
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Yup, there sure is.
@neilbridgeman7768
@neilbridgeman7768 Год назад
The reason battery manufacturers offer 3.6kW solutions is due to that size and below needing the easier G98 DNO approval rather than G99 that is required for batteries over 3.86kW
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
True, although it's the max AC output rate of the inverter that matters rather than the max discharge rate of the battery/inverter combo. The 5 kW GivEnergy hybrid inverter exceeds the 3.68 kW G98 limit so would still need G99 even though it can only provide 3.6 kW from the battery.
@neilbridgeman7768
@neilbridgeman7768 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk do you mean 5kWh? As in storage capacity?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@neilbridgeman7768 no, 5 kW inverter, as in power.
@neilbridgeman7768
@neilbridgeman7768 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk you are talking about a hybrid so the inverter has to do two things hence the battery only part being limited. The Givenergy G1 stuff is not that good. The G2 stuff will be the best on the market by some way.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@neilbridgeman7768 yes, the 5 kW hybrid gen 2 GivEnergy inverter. Take a look at the datasheet for it from the GivEnergy website and it tells you what the max AC output is (from the inverter) and also the max battery discharge rate (from the battery). Inverter is 5 kW so max 5 kW AC output (solar plus battery). But it only lets the battery discharge at 3.6 kW.
@jacopocec
@jacopocec Год назад
It's foolish to think getting off the grid. With the battery and panels, the amount of kWh acquired from the network is simply reduced. Nothing more. What tool is that to see consumption?
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
That's the in-house display that comes with the smart meter. I'm not suggesting getting off grid in this video, but it's not foolish to try and reduce your grid use.
@niceboy60
@niceboy60 Год назад
At 02:31 it shows how much a 5kw battery saves you per day , you decide if its worth it 🤔
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Our system has been saving us between £5 and £10 a day so far. Yeah, I'd say that's very much worth it.
@niceboy60
@niceboy60 Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk I m afraid you can't be saving £10 a day because that means you were paying £300 a month in Electricity and now your bill dropped to £0 which is unrealistic plus this Battery Storage Systems are not £0 nor its installation is £0 this can easily cost £15,000 this cost over 48 months it's still around £312 every month not £0
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
@@niceboy60 please see latest stats video.
@grahambrown42
@grahambrown42 Год назад
How about a nice 8-10Kw shower!
@69sauly
@69sauly Год назад
same, I find my shower adds a good 7k whlle in use. When my partner was cooking at the same time i hit 10.5k :(
@michaelmelwani7752
@michaelmelwani7752 Год назад
Or putting 7.4kw into your car.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Usually you'd charge an EV overnight using a cheap time of use tariff rather than using your home storage battery, so not something I'm worried about.
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk Год назад
Wow, yes, that would exceed even the beefiest battery system! We have a hot water cylinder so would heat that up overnight using cheap rate electricity, thankfully, but that's certainly something some folks would need to consider too.
@rugbygirlsdadg
@rugbygirlsdadg Год назад
@@TimAndKatsGreenWalk people need to do their sums with regard to off-peak car charging. It's quite complex and the sums can literally change overnight. Don't forget that with an off peak tariff, the day rate goes up. Also, generally the fire department recommends that you don't run any appliance with a heating element (tumble dryer, washing machine, dishwasher) while you're either out if the house, or when you're asleep ie off peak.
@johnbodnar3720
@johnbodnar3720 10 месяцев назад
Thanks, more shit I did not know, solar company does not tell you anything, you didn't say if it could finish cooking your breakfast
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk
@TimAndKatsGreenWalk 10 месяцев назад
Our battery has enough capacity to power the house for a couple of days.
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