How much can a zombie gunpowder army take on? 

This particular stack can be MUCH better. Early game, cost effective stacks are much more interesting.

Cost effective armies: step 1: look up the low tier missile unit of a faction Step 2: done How strong it is is largely decided by if there is a missile boosting hero, and how competent the boosting skills are. If you aren't skilled enough to make missile only work, take a few infantry just to be sure.

You mean Coast effective amirite

You mean crapstacks I love those!

Yeah. Some of the other doomstacks basically require you to already be so strong you can't be opposed in order to even build them. Cool, but not that useful.

One could argue that Luthor is the only character in the game who is able to hear what is beyond the 4th wall and all his personalities are actually just WH players :D

LOL that killed me

Marius Leitdorf and Luthor talking to Legend and each other confirmed

Isnt that Okoii specialty doing tve crapstack video ?

@@dickysatria7268 to a degree, I'd say that they are more comedic than educational.

Ok, today we have a stack of (insert tier 1 archer type unit here)

I think legend has done a couple of videos like that before. But was a while ago.

Amen

I agree, but I also thought this was going to be a turn ~30 rate your doomstack.

I wish people would stop saying "doomstack" when its just 20 units, Doomstacks absolutely roll through cammpaigns, this isn't a doomstack.

yup, the min-maxed hero spam got way out of hand

@@SomePeon Heroes can be doomstacked, just stacks of archers is yawn. Yeah I get it, Sisters of avelorn good, maybe uniquely doomstackable.

Late-game theory-crafted armies being done where they're min-maxed seem, to me, much more interesting to "think about having" and "work towards having" if just for the sake of doing something special, but then not nearly as interesting once you "do" have it. Whereas knowing some really nice, early-on doom/crapstacks seem much more helpful and intuitive to know about.

exactly the same opinion as me mate! when i get to the point of a good mid tier doomstack like this and i can easily steam roll most battles im normally done so these types of videos is more relatable

you can only make one of these doomstacks anyways. They are relying on the tech ancilliaries to boost the army.

Skink Javelins and chameleon skinks doomstacks

@@fidgetwidget9116 Oxyotl is a beast

carNOTsaur :D

the damage is awesome. The only issue is how slow they are to setting up. If you tell a gunnery mob to shoot another target they take like 6 to 10 second until they finally reposition, aim and shoot.

@@rumplstiltztinkerstein yeah in wh3 it is especially frustrating

That's exactly how I ran my non-necrofex stacks when I played Vampirates in WH2. Hits like ratling guns for a fraction of the cost.

Yep, you are right, there is a doom stack like this in WH2 and it should work for WH3, but here it was messed up. Here is the WH2 doomstack: 6 gunners, 6 mortars, 1 unmounted gunner wright, 2 vampire heroes, 4 necrofexes, 1 vamp lord. The army can deal with sieges and uneven terrain better than all necrofexes doomstack, but struggles against scaven more. All your armies like this and you are unstoppable and it is 30-50% cheaper compared to all necrofexes armies. The idea is this. Your gunners at the back while 4 necrofexes on the front just in range of the gunners so they can shoot anything that hits the legs of the nexrofexes but not in front of the nexrofexes to avoid friendly fire. More than 6 gunners, you will not find good positions to put them on most maps and their role is to kill heros and single entities which they do as well as rattling guns. Before the enemy reaches the necrofexes you have summons from vamp hero and lords while nexcrofexes and mortars shred the enemy blocked by summons. Vamps heal necrofexes if need be, right after they summon the mob, necrofex retreat to heal while mob holds the line. Over-casted heal on 4 necrofexes in worst cases. Mortars are very very accurate once they reach their gold tiers and will kill most of the enemy if blocked by summons. This is an undefeated doomstack when I use it, only scaven with summons on the mortars are a bit of a pain when 4 vs 1 armies, but I would rather have more armies to deal with scaven then less but stronger.

@@jeffvella9765 So he swirtched the mortars for handcannons because mortars seem to suck in WHIII

@@kodan7879 I do not know wh3 since I have not played it, but the doom stack does not work if you switch the mortars since they are killing 1/2 the army before anything touches the necrofexes on hardest of battles. In most cases vs infantry based armies nothing even gets close to the necrofexes and the gunners never even fire a shot. Their range is what makes them so powerful. Mortars suck at low tier because they are not accurate, maybe the guy did not wait to get them to gold tier before dismissing them? Eventually you can recruit mortars at gold tier too.

@@jeffvella9765 AI dodges mortar fire in WH3

Yeah. Watching him put half his firepower at the back and leave it idle the entire battle, waste his wight buffs, and refuse to fight in the forest.... Guns actually work pretty well in trees, and putting Luther in there to spot would have worked fine. He didn't use his buffs much either. Can't be good at every faction tbh.

gotta get that range to 211 when the event is active plus some gunnery wight buffs and yes they definitely melt.

I think in an earlier video he mentioned 7/10 to be the cut off to count as a valid doomstack, so 6/10 says its close but not quite a doomstack

I agree. Seems far too high to me. Magic, abilities, and unbelievably bad AI won that game. Maybe the ammo balance of power from the army helped with army losses and the army did okay (I use a ton of hand gunners too when playing vampirates). But even as a standard army, it wasn't well designed. Way too much short range, no holding power, no healing, one gunnery would be totally fine there, etc. That said, I'd love to see more varied armies being reviewed.

i use this kind of stack my whole campaign and the ai never really does that

it was about protecting the more valuable units. losing a handgun is no big deal, but losing a handcannon is. we had no frontline so i knew we were going to get hit at the front.

I thought so as well, if I had to guess I think the idea was to have the long-range units butter the enemy up as they charge in, and then when the first units get into range ALL the lower-range hand cannons focus it down with auto targeting since there are only 1 or 2 targets available all of a sudden. This is just a guess though. It did work a lot better than I thought it was going to I must admit.

I usually screen with handcannons myself, usually half as many though. I consider them expendable like zombies.

@@LegendofTotalWar and that is why you're the legend of total war. Though I never bother with handcannons myself; especially when you look at the distribution of kills, handgunners do so much more work.

@@sir_vix i wonder if the fact that handguns were shooting from the beginning and handcannons were sitting back for the most part had something to do with those results