I feel like the lag between a human starting and stopping the timer might influence the result a little too much. Would be nice to use sensors to get the time instead.
Yes. Thank you. That hurts seing them happy about 0,15 s we they are not even at the proper finish line spot. That is really too bad. The device cost less that the cost of any upgrade they made.
You don't even need a separate device, any phone will do a 120 fps or more now, that can be used as a photo finish camera. Just put down a large clock with 1 thousandths visible in the shot.
Hey CT! Why don't you guys remap the 330d? It should make around 185bhp stock on dyno, and with the remap you could get around 225/230 bhp... i think it would be a good upgrade :D It would be faster, im sure :D
On the living room gokart track like this one, engine power is not as important as tires and suspension. They're not lapping at Monza. I'd do a weight reduction first, throw out a ton of interior junk and seats, heavy exhaust and remap it at the end.
@@after_midnight9592 yeah sure but, since it is a station wagon, it is not meant to be a proper track or race project to be going for weight reduction... i said the idea of the remap so it could get faster out of the corners and having more torque in lower rpms... because it is heavy as fuck...
330d allreadty makes 230 bhp stock. With a remap it should get somewhere between 270 and 280 bhp. But the extra 40 to 50 bhp won't make that much difference. It's the increase in torque that will gain the most advantage. Stock a 330d will make 500nm. With a proper tune it will be in the 610's to 620's.
@@jibbstar1856mate, are you sure? The 3.0td 6cyl from the 330d makes 204HP stock, not around 230... even if you dyno the car 100% stock, it would make just around 185/190...
No, im not much of a BMW guy, have no idea when they started to have dpf, just know it can make a chit ton of power and torque with freed up exhaust and remap alone.
y'all really need to invest in some proper timing equipment... I mean come on, you can sell it on your car throttle shop... cause this whole pressing start stop on the phone timer thing has at least 2 seconds of error. and you're talking about "clawing back .1 of a second"? there's no thumb in the world thats that accurate
I scrolled through way too many comments looking for someone else to notice this! Can't do a technical test on such a short track using a bloody smartphone for timing!
You can be accurate when you can pace an event, that is why drag racers often hit a zero response time because they can keep pace with the lights. But sadly that is never consistent, so for those 0.1 seconds you do need proper gear.
Since they shoot video anyways, they could setup a camera at the finish line and easily measure the timing in an editing software. No extra investment needed.
2 things I never cheap out on, tires and brakes. Doesn't matter if it is a track car or a daily driver. They are the two most important parts on a car that will save your life and help you avoid a crash / not have to rely on the restraints and crash structure to reduce the amount of injury.
love this series! next episode: how much difference makes a twin turbo V10 engine swap to a crappy old diesel station wagon? (alernatively a bigger turbo would do the job to beat the M3 I guess, just don't only do software and intake)
Haja they're gonna do a hybrid turbo I believe, I think they talked about it in the first video, they also posted a video about how to build a hybrid turbo a couple weeks ago on Facebook (definitely the turbo they're gonna use)
You can actually get very decent horsepower with this totally stock turbo this has. I know one of identical 330d's and it was remapped in 2004 when its owner bought it new and has been rocking 350hp/750nm since then. This actual car has been driven with remap now over 1 million kilometers. I spoke to the owner and he said that everything else handles the power quite well, except the clutch if you overtake using the low end torque. Said that you could ruin the clutch with one overtake with that kind of torque it has. I actually have thought about buying that actual car. It is truly one very well maintained high mileage hero. :)
Even the big brake makers say stopping while hot doesn't cause warping. Instead, it causes hot pad material to cook onto the rotor, creating a high spot which later causes the pedal pulsations many attribute to warping.
Exactly. The info given by Alex at the 7:30 mark for how to bed in the brakes made me cringe and earned a downvote. WTF is all that BS. Read the god damn sheet the came with the pads and discs Alex...
@@ajfurrell3744 what's wrong with copper antisieze? If you guys want to complain about something, how about Dot4 fluid on a daily driver? Absolutely zero reason to do that. Changing to fresh dot3 would be fine but 4 and 5 suck up so much water it's ridiculous.
lol these times are pretty useless xD get a track timer, having a guy just click on a phone is far too inaccurate, human reaction time is the biggest variable . fun videos tho
should have done it from the beginning, the average human visual reaction time is 0.25 seconds so these times could all be a quarter of a second of, when your chasing a tenth of a second a lap that makes no sense.
its not F1? you realize a F1 lap is a lot longer so the difference would be less? this is a 37 second lap time and they are chasing a 10th of a second. its not accurate enough. yeah im sure fucking ethan over there catches heaps of arrows, his reaction time is probably a full second looking at him
yes on a 5 second lap difference human error doesnt come into it much but this episode they mention a tenth on a second and they arent that accurate thats a fact, the difference may have been bigger and may have been smaller. they should have used a lap timer from the beginning its obvious, that why people use them to begin with because humans arent accurate enough on this sort of stuff
It's a damn diesel with a still stock engine. As long as this particular engine isn't modified it definitely won't break on the Nürburgring. Probably the rest of the car but not the engine
The problem with adding better brakes and expecting a better lap time right out of the gate, is that you've gotten used to the car and have a subconscious expectation of what it will do. You have to actively think about braking later into every corner and staying in the loud pedal long enough to really tighten some sphincters. And that's a lot harder than one might think.
Actually the problem is that big brake kit offers 0 benefit(maybe driver confidence) since on a track this short stock brakes won't have time to fade and braking distance is grip limited(you need better tires to shorten it).
@@WOOWOW96 correct. big brake kits are pretty much only beneficial on longer runs or constant repeated runs. a track day would see a benefit, but this super short track with only a few runs wont heat things up much. stock rotors with a new OEM grade pad would be enough to see clean runs. a Nurburgring day would love new rotors and pads for sure, but not this little circuit
This improvement looks more like because of Alex getting used to the car and track. Bigger brakes can give more consistency, but for such short lap it doesn't matter. As long as your brakes can lock the wheels, you don't need more. It's all about the tires
Finally someone who understands the basic rules of physics. The big brake kit on a track like this can only positively influence the confidence of a driver (and maybe the amount unsprung mass but they didn't talk about and it the new kit probably isn't any lighter). Also the braking distance challenge was a load of bollocks, stock brakes can definitely lock up these not-even-semi-slick-tires so the brake kit shouldn't make any difference.
After this many attempts the improvement could just come from the time measurement error alone since their current setup probably has an error in region of +/1 second.
being able to withstand high temps is a huge reason to upgrade brakes - more pads than anything. having that consistent performance over long periods of track use is something that stock setups cant provide even if they can lock the wheels during normal road driving scenarios
I installed that exact setup on my race E30 last month! People have been very down on EBC but probably don't appreciate that compounds change over the years. I've found them absolutely fine. Quick note on the allen key screws - these are a nightmare for rounding off. Soak them in penetrative fluid the day before, or get an impact driver you hit with a hammer. These are awesome!
I was thinking of getting the yellow stuff pads for my f10 530d, I've been watching a lot of videos on youtube and reading a lot of comments, and the info coming from real people that use them on their own cars and not some corporative review throwing specs from a piece of paper, really help me a lot making my decision. Thanks!
@Kenny Argueta Ventura Its an experiment. You are free to imagine what the rough improvement would like by simply multiplying the time gained x distance on certain tracks on the mods. Longer tracks will also mean more strain to the car and more learning curve, more room to make mistakes for Alex (since he isnt a pro racing driver), etc all and all more unnesscesary variables, but with just simple short tracks you know that the car can take it and the tracks is easy to master therefore the laps will be valid all the time.
I would like to see a series where you start with a modded car and slowly remove parts back to stock. I'm sure all the extra driving practice in the car makes a huge difference to the lap times and would love to see if the parts hold up to their times when the roles are reversed. Like the comment so we can get this done!
Good choice in brakes lads!! - I had yellow stuff pads and on my Z3 2.8 roadster and they were fantastic!! that coupled with braided lines, and CDV delete made a massive difference!
I love how you guys listened to the viewer's feedback and prioritised 330d video release instead of the supercar video! Granted some comments are a bit harsh in that post but glad we got to see the 330d vid as usual. I'd love both but just here to say thank you:)
I agree - I am not saying that Alex is a bad driver, but uh... he really is not a professional race driver, and I would love to see what time could a professional race driver put out of this BMW.
I’m not. What’s the point? It’s no longer a useable road car as soon as it’s stripped and it defeats the point of being faster than an M3 if it has no interior.
I've had awful experience with EBC discs & pads on my old 330i. The discs warped with every track day, and whilst someone will undoubtedly explain the science behind hot spots & the like, they still warped badly. I've had no such issues with the grooved discs from Brembo that ended up on there. You need to powerflex all the bushes; the front lollipops are a key one, but all the rollbars & rear trailing arms need them too.
I think you guys just don't get it...for a track day car you don't need a lot of hp. You need handling, handling, handling and skills (How many times did we see car like s2k smashing BMWs m series onto a track?).Just after that you can start to tune the engine.
Well power is just as important, it's dependant on the track, whether it's a power circuit or handling circuit. And this comment Is irrelevant because they haven't even done any power mods to the bmw...
Formula 1 cars are known to "handle" like pigs. Yet they get around the track like nothing else. Ditto the fastest factory race cars around tighter circuits. Handling is tertiary to out and out lap times.
Totally agree; on the straights it helps but on a technical circuit cars with 120bhp can mix it with the expensive stuff, and in those scenarios all the power in the world won’t help.
EBC yellow stuff is an amazing brake pad with awesome response and modulation. I would vouch for it all the way! Even in the cold winter is bites. Only warning is to be careful after washing your car. The wet rotors in the winter just cause the brake pads to have VERY little grip. I would hold the brake while driving a few blocks to gain back heat. Otherwise, the brakes stop HARD and show little to no fade.
Except I think that with torquey diesel engines it might not even help, especially when remapped because you should drive it with a bit lower revs to take full advantage of the massive torque.
i gotta say man the wheels you have look amazing love the retro feeling they give the car; much respct and appreciation from Venezuela love the channel!!
- get an upgrade turbo and tune in properly in the dyno not some chip stuff so that thing will be around 500nm - dont forget the intercooler -Egr and dpf off. - use high performance diesel ( mayne its actually useful) - engine and fuel cleaner additive -Also clean the inlet manifold. - Change gearbox oil and diff oil and add some ceramic additive - get a shortshifter With all that you w -
I have the same ebc groved discs with ferodo DS2500 on my 335i after few times on nürburgring they winced already and there is a lot vibrations on steering wheel
So basically alex never goes to shop with non-buff-af dudes ?! As always, I have to praise ethan's and his team's work ... fucken rains outside - these guys make it look epic
You got a 330i Touring! That’s my dream car, at that color. Man you are making me jealous, where I currently live they cost about $8k-11k in decent conditions and they are super rare
I got hawk HPS pads on stoptech slotted rotors and they are making a noise but it's not squeaking. It's like the sound you get from rubbing a wet thumb on glass. It's a low pitched rubbing sound that only happens a split second before you come to a complete stop. Does anyone know what this is? It is definitely not squeaking. It sounds almost like rubbing a balloon right before you come to a complete stop.
Check your brake lines. If they are rubber, then switch to metal lines around the actual brake disc and see if the sounds stops. It might just be the lines expanding at the mount
@@Cod4assassins no offense that is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. Brake lines don't make noise. Its the pad material grabbing the rotor. I have the ebc yellows on my e63, and they can sometimes do it, or if im.playing with the car at a light I can make it creep and do it. Its is a slip stick condition that occurs because of the aggressive brake material.
The E46 330d/i can be upgraded very cheap and easy to the M3 brake. It's not commonly known that it's possible. It has a same diameter but thicker drilled compound disc and the piston is a bit larger... It also works on the E36 in the front
I think an alignment would be faster than a remap like some are suggesting. A tight track like that needs circa 3.5 degree's negative camber, anything less and your just rolling off the contact patch and losing speed through the bends.
WOW he is actually right about all what he said about the brakes. I am surprised. Most people say that the holes in the brakes are for Airflow... Thank you!
Get in touch with "Racing Diffs" from Serbia for LSD. Tell them "Zagi sent you, the one that got LSD for C-class 250 TD" and they'll probably give you a discount. :)
I understand your promoting this brand and that all good. I spend time at Thermal BMW’s Performance Center driving my 2018 M5 standard brakes now my friend had Carbon Ceramic’s we go at least every other month and spend 3-4 hours on the track, but there is no difference in the different brakes other then the 10k US Dollars Charge for them.
they need to get a manifold without the stupid swirl flaps, they get all dirty because of egr and the manifold can be like half the size and can make itself a big restriction
You just remove the swirl flaps, and fit blanks in their place, egr is seperate, and cant be removed on the later cars without mapping it out as it will throw an eml.
Havent watched the Video yet, but as long as your brakes dont fade, a big brake kit is useless, cause it just adds more useless weight. For most people, some better fluid and pads are enough
@@coles8089 From personal experience, I think it makes a huge difference. But if the old lines are in good shape probably the difference isn't that big
Marco Rocha in my experience (20 years of track days and modding) braided lines are always a good idea. They’re not going to give you any real extra stopping power but eliminating the possibility of the brake lines expanding under heavy hydraulic forces gives a much nicer pedal feel - particularly at the end of long straights where braking forces are maximized. My first track car (1992 Pulsar GTI-R back in 1999) had two brake upgrades while I had it: 330mm front and 300 rear discs (separate bells and rotors, all grooved and drilled) with 4-pot Jag callipers front and standard callipers rear with various pads and braided lines. Then 335mm front and 300mm rear rotors (drilled and grooved with aluminium bells) with 4-pot billet Hi-spec callipers front and 2-pot calipers rear. Again - braided lines all round plus some strengthening to the master cylinder mounts to eliminate pedal flex. That car had a LOT of stopping force for the time (almost 20 years ago) so while I was never the fastest car on the track, not much could out-brake me. It was pretty common for other drivers to tell me they thought I’d have it into the gravel, only to see my brake lights go off before turn-in. :) I remember it took a long time to find one of the only sets of 17x7” alloys that had the right inside clearances to fit everything in them and even then, you literally couldn’t put a credit card with its embossed numbers between the outside face of the front calliper and the inside face of the wheel spokes!! :)
I had that exact setup on my acura CL Type S and it was amazing and ridiculous but they wore out twice as quick as the own stuff and one set of yellow stuff pads wore the front rotors to the bottoms of their grooves
Hmm well it would be Extra weight but the downforce would be good for extra grip and handling for turns but straight aways would slow the car down so not worth it.
Guys, when you're done can we PLEASE do a battle between this and our Volvo V70R? Wanna ship yours across? Come on. We just dynoed at 270/298 and are flashing a Stage 2 tune this weekend! LET'S DO IT. -Gregson
I always see these bad mans driving around with there fog lights on in day time could you answer my question. Dose the car go faster with fog lights on or fog lights off would be interesting to find out. Don’t take it seriously it’s a joke
I also feel like he's got an RSA accent, I remember when was working on his M3 he was talking about a South African friend that was helping him with the spanner work.