Hi its Stefan Lazarov from Plovdiv, Bulgaria! My old cue had a fibre ferrule fitted by myself. I hate brass on my new "low deflection" cue.Gonna go for either titanium or fibre again. Cheers!
Yes, I also hated the thick walled brass ferrules. I was used to the fibre ferrules, but I did, eventually, get used to the thin walled, pigeon ring, brass ferrules. Century should make thin walled titanium ferrules to reduce the weight even more. Seems obvious.
Played for over 35 years before calling it a day but I am intrigued enough about this ferrule to consider giving it a whirl. Towards the end of my time I was experiencing so much deflection it was like trying to pot a moving ball😅
Hey pal thank for watching my stuff. I’m kind of used to it now and it has less deflection than the brass one I had on. I have to say it did knock my potting for a bit
Thanks for the video, when I play pool and snooker I rarely use sidespin and tend to be a center ball striker. Would you say a titanium ferrule would benefit me if I was to add unintentional side when playing shots? I would say I'm a good player but when my cue action isn't flowing I sometimes miss shots by aiming slightly off center. Thanks
Hi Barnsey Thank you for watching and commenting. Yes in theory it would help but I’m not certain on how much. Side has a few things to be considered and in this case the pace of the ball. When I’m playing poor I know I’m not cueing correct. To be honest I have been very poor this year so far. Anyway as you know the harder you hit the CB the larger the deflection and the larger you miss. The Titanium ferrules won’t help in this case by much. Side spin is an important part of position but to many people play side without really knowing if it’s the right thing to do,I like yourself limit the amount I use. So would it help in theory yes it deflects less so reducing the unwanted side. Lowering the amount of shots you play with unintentionally side will help much much more. Cheers pal
Hi Andy, A nice video mate, thank you very much. 1.) You missed the black to the top cushion because the right hand side that you applied to the cue ball caused the cue ball to deflect very slightly to the left and this in turn meant that the cue ball hit the black ball a little bit too much to the left (i.e. a bit thick). 2.) Every cue will react differently if it has a titanium ferrule fitted. When I fitted a titanium ferrule to my own my personal cue (which has a super stiff shaft) it didn't really make much difference. However, when I fitted a titanium ferrule to my friends cue (which has a little more flex than mine) it made a massive difference. 3.) After you have fitted a titanium ferrule you have to be prepared to get used to the cue again. It is the same process as it would be if you were to change your cue. Your cue will have slightly different characteristics now and you will have to practice with it until your subconscious mind understands the different amount of allowances that you have to make when applying side spin. 4.) Please add me to your door. Thank, Paul
Yip spot on with the shot Paul. Yeah other than it looks better and will last longer I’m not sure at the moment I get much advantage. It’s a long term thing and I’ll pop back in with a review in the summer. Whippy shafts I had on the board to discuss on this video but I did not want keep talking hahaha You sure can pal where are you again ?
If you use a titanium ferrule for a period of time then try going back to brass you really have to learn your aiming points again. Much prefer the titanium anyway
Hi Andy -- Thank you very much for this excellent video and for mentioning my name as well! The next snooker cue I buy might have a titanium ferrule fitted to it.
I think if you play with brass it has advantages over titainium ..1 its softer and wont eat into the wood the same after impact over time 2. you have to re learn the shots if you switch because over time your mind accomodate for side or throw on shots without thinking and 3. There are shots that it helps to have throw on anyway eg soft sweve when slightly snookered or when trying to 'straighten up' a pot with side if you know what i mean? I think it may help other shots eg the reverse screw shot off a cush when straight and needing to impart reverse side. If the titainium reduces throw does it reduce spin I wonder could you still play the delayed screw shot into pack to drive thro reds and split them ? I have not tried these shots with a titanium ferrele but would be interesting to see results to see any benifit or if you can still play them type of shots the same way ...I would like to see you demonstrate? ...the advantage is probably there if you like a polished ferrle and want to hit plain ball more but in my mind brass still rules. All cues deflect somewhat and the principle of throw has other variables to it too not just the ferrule ...EG tip type, tip size, stiffness of cue and the way you deliver the shot (pace of shot) and the way you line it up and of course distance. You missed all these points in your video. one I missed was that I know a player like a thinner wall around the ferrel because he says he gets more feel on the shot and he got used to this after polishing the brass ferrle and the walls thinned out - not sure about this he went from 9.5 - 9.2 just from polishig his ferrule over time and when measured on calipers it had dropped from 9.5 mm so may just be a case he liked a smaller tip size but he eventually ended up with a cue that did not throw much and he put it down to tip size not the ferrule.
Hi mate thanks for the comment. To be honest I need to do a follow up on that video. You make some solid points but after using the titanium now for a good bit and played in lots of matches it’s hard to see any difference. I think you just learn to play with what you have. It does throw less but like you said a brass and a different shaft would do the same. How much less also depends on balls table and environment as well as my cue on that shot. I have played great snooker and absolutely dire snooker with the titanium. So it’s certainly not a magic wand lol Thanks for watching pal Join the face book group and send me a PM we can discuss further
@@TheSnookerShed Edit...Ok im actually wrong as I tried a few from the place that makes the g3 tips (cenury pro i think is the company i used) - anyway they work and dont know why they do but they actually do work and i like the feel and some say sound of the hit im deaf as a post so dunno on that one but there is a dif in feel and better respose and no throw. I'm so convinced Id never use a brass one again. Good for everyone id say but If you are a player that hits with side or hits left or right of centre with bhe...(as hitting centre all the time is over rated and v hard to do if not impossible) i think they make the game easier and far more confident at distance now hitting with side especailly. As for down sides for some the issue would be fitting as the titainum is thinner walled you may lose a tad on cue length unless you get them fitted by someone that knows their stuff. The other down side is swerve/soft swerve is actually dif and harder to suss ( i was good at these shots b 4 ) but might need a wee bit of practice to figure them out better not sure. Time moves on and not much in the way of innovations in snooker stuff but yeah this is a good one I think. Only thing that would top it is when someone invents a pair of augmentaed reality snooker glasses or better still contacts that map table out like a video game in real life...that would be a great coaching aid/laugh and ap and would make snooker popular again. I predict everyone wearing cheating contacts in league making ton braeaks in club for fun when that day comes. now there's an idea for someone...hurry up
Good stuff mate I won’t go back to brass now, I try and play less Sind now than I ever did well certainly not as much. I would hit a minimum of a tip from center but now I’m learning what I can do with the CB hitting less than a tip from center. It’s interesting to see how it doesn’t change that much so far but the closer to center the less deflection. I’m still learning on this though. Give a go let me know what you think
I am from Canada. I have not tried the titanium ferrule, and am a bit leery of it, since it looks like a thick walled ferrule, with threads that screw on to your tenon, so you have to reduce the diameter of your tenon, and the threads bite into the wood. I tried similar thick walled, heavy, brass ferrules and really hated them, compared to the thin walled, light, pigeon ring brass ferrules with no threads, that you just slip onto your cue. Is your titanium ferrule, thick walled, or thin, and does it slip on, or do you have to reduce the diameter of your tenon, and screw it on? Do you think it was worth the price, including the installation? I don't polish my brass ferrules, because I don't want them to wear out, so you can leave the durability out of the equation.
My one was a screw on pal. I have a mate that done this for me so the cost was low. I like the titanium now and to be honest it’s hard to tell the difference between titanium and brass as my brain has just adjusted to the throw on the cue ball when using side. Where do you play Snooker ? Thank you for watching and commenting
I've got a titanium ferrule for around 4 months now and I'm struggling with a consistent outcome playing the same shots. It's very strange this and on a slow/precise safety shot the none consistent deflection can really effect the outcome of the frame. I've even suggest to to myself that the temperature is causing a change as I've left my cue case in the car on the cold nights and it seams when the ferrule is cold it behaves better. If I cannot get consistent enough I'm going back to brass. We had great players and the best break builders in the game play with brass for decades so have we really got an issue we should try to fix?
Very true words Unicorn, I’m still surprised that the smallest change has made a decent difference. Under testing conditions on my own table I can predict the outcome over a few repeated shots but at the club I need more time. Steve or Steven always used brass and I’m sure Ronnie will be he hasn’t moved chalks yet lol
That's true come to think of it didn't think of the weight ie brass being heavier than a titanium well pointed out and as I ve been told via cuebald he said he had a whippy cue and having a titanium ferrule helped to lessen that deflection but now he's got a newer cue that's much stiffer he finds that the brass ferrule plays well on his cue amazing how something so small can have a significant impact on your play I ve not tried a titanium ferrule myself yet though but curious to try one to see the difference however some people have tried it according to Barry stark not got on with it and reverted back to brass so it's not for everyone I suppose however you don't know unless you try it so it's hard to say everyone's different hope you all are well great content as always
Cheers for watching pal Yeah it’s cool but to get the true benefits if you can call them benefits you have to cue/aim constantly. I don’t so it’s taking time to get used to the titanium. I’ll stick with it and one thing it has encouraged me more to play less side
@@TheSnookerShed wether that's a good or bad thing I dunno really unwanted side no body wants but when u want side spin in certain scenarios in snooker or positional play how big is the difference between the two
@@TheSnookerShed it's a struggle for sure I think a lot of it all stem down to the mentality of the players too so many different scenarios sometimes it's good to change things try new things as you don't know unless you try them but trying new things could also be a bad thing as you may be playing well with the previous stuff then terrible with the new or better a lot of it stems down to the players themselves it's a very difficult game mentally as you could be playing badly but it's not the equipment but ourselves then when u do that you tend to seek out other options in the hopes that you will improve your game and become a better player basically blaming the tools and not your technique etc it's always a catch 22 situation some people are just natural and could prob play with a broom handle or whatever stick they can find and pick it up better and most pros have started at a very young age so it becomes second nature to them very frustrating game for sure all have good and bad days it's one of them things I guess although I am curious how a titanium ferrule would play as well as I say could be a good or bad thing worse case scenario is changing the ferrule you play worse and have to re learn and adjust the whole play or it could work out which is great 50/50 really but they do say why fix it if it ain't broke ie change things so really a lot of it is the mentality of it all amongst other things and how you play so many variables a great game that can be incredibly frustrating at times lol perhaps over time you will get used to the titanium if not then would u go back to brass it's an interesting one to know which you will stick with what cue tip do you currently use out of curiosity as I tried the CC G1 for the first time and noticed a significant difference in play in comparison to the tip I used previously which is elkmaster
Hi Thanks for watching pal The ferrules come in all the standard sizes I’m sure you’re cue engineer will have one to fit your cue. Hope that answers your question
Hey pal Nice name. The understandings I have is that the less weight less deflection. So thinner the better I would say. Thanks for watching my video pal
Interesting, do you think it would have the same effect with an 11mm tip, I'm just getting back into the game after about 20/25 years away! I'm struggling to keep the cue strait after contact (the follow through) also my mince pies are not what they were, I was thinking about trying a bigger tip with a titanium ferrule in the hope it would be more forgiving.
I would expect similar results. What tests do you do to confirm your not hitting the center of the CB ? Thanks for watching pal and good luck on your journey
@@TheSnookerShed Hi Sandy, I've run the CB up and down the spot quite a few times, I can push the CB strait over them fine, but the rebound proves I'm putting left hand spin on, sometimes very little sometimes a lot, have noticed my cue can finish pointing left (I'm right handed) after contact, I used to hold the cue close to my chest to stop the wobble years ago, but now It's a struggle to bend right down to do this. With the rest it's not so bad, can actually pot better with it, I can control the twitch with a seesaw up and down motion. can also see when I play screw back shots, the CB is spinning with side spin and not reversing much. Was thinking about trying to control this (same as rest play) by lifting the cue tip after contact, so the cue would stay on line, but obviously would not work with back spin. Greg.
I've recently changed over to a titanium tipped cue and I'm finding it really hard to play with, please show any hints when you master it yourself. I can't get used to the different throw when striking the cue ball,i didnt think it would make much of a difference but it really does.
Hey pal yeah it does make a difference to begin with. Depending on what level you play at for the next we while I suggest two things 1 simplify your game by using as little side as possible 2 practice the side shots on your own,single them out and play them Repeatedly. Oh and always check against your straight shots too Hope that helps pal It will settle in soon,the more you play the quicker it will be Thanks for watching
Yeah I know a few players that have said the same to me and a couple of Pros I now know as well. I was new to the game so it did not take much adjustment. Now I don’t notice the difference. What I would say I find a whippy cue much more of a challenge than a brass ferrule one now. Thanks for watching
I’ve just started using a titanium ferrules cue and I cannot hit anything when playing with any amount of side, I’m trying to adapt by playing center ball,but how on earth do you play a swerve shot, it’s a valuable skill to have when snookered. Paul Allen. 5:45 5:45
Learning center ball is certainly an asset. I’m in the process of using Chris Hendrys Balls and my game has improved. Side is a massive part of the game but it’s like every thing else it needs time to understand and practice. Swerve shots lift the butt up a little higher than you did before Thanks for watching Paul and commenting What’s your average break in snooker ?
Hey pal So after a year the ferrule looks like the day it was fitted. The aiming for the deflection is just natural now. I however still miss shots when using side because I don’t account for the little side I use so the deflection is still there. Thanks for watching
@@TheSnookerShed Nice one, thanks for that. My friend is in the process of having a cue made for himself with a titanium ferrule on and I was curious if the grass is greener. I'm going to buy some 3M jewellery polishing papers and see how long the shine lasts. I can get a mirror finish on bras but it's gone in a few days due to tarnish 😅
I just don't get the science!So it's lighter than a brass ferrule and that makes the difference.But it must only be a few grams so would you get the same effect if your cue was a few grams lighter but still using a brass ferrule?
Aye you what I’m with you pal Yes it down to it having less mass apparently. I think a lighter might do the same but the question is would it be even less if you add a titanium ferrule 🤣 From what I have learned since putting one on I can play excellently but also painfully poor. Same as when I had a Brass on . I think you learn to use the tools you have. Thank you for watching pal Join the face book page and say hello
You hit the ball with the tip not the ferrule and both brass and titanium are extremely hard metals (hrb's of about 60 and about 75 respectively) and both are much harder than the tip so I very much doubt it can make any difference which you use. BUT what could make a big difference is how well the ferrule is seated on the cue and the tip fixed to the cue/ferrule - even a slight imperfection might produce a significant change in squirt/deflection.
Hi Adrian apologies I’m not sure if I have replied to you I can’t see the comment on the RU-vid video I have to agree that I could not believe that it would make any difference at all but all I can say it does for a little while but then you just get used to have titanium. A mate of mine lasted 4 seasons and couldn’t believe the difference hated it and went back to brass. The weight difference is I believe why it deflects less but I still struggle to see how much difference there is in weight. Just shows how much small amounts mater in snooker or you head lol. Certainly a bad fitting would make some errors Thanks for watching pal and commenting
Cue deflection vs. cue ball deflection is force (weight and speed) related, but resistance to cue deflection (shaft stiffness) affects the results as well. Thanks again for your expertise and my continued education.
Hi Dirk thanks for watching Yeah when I was researching there is a fair bit to cue ball deflection and some mad maths equations I looked at very confusingly hahah
I had a titanium ferrule on my cue ans I found sometimes if playing a figure of 8 shot or ur playing a black into the corner off 2 cushions with running side that the titanium ferrule throws off massively if u cue across the ball a bit so say play with right hand side the white will go to the right straight away, with the brass if u cue across with right hand side the white will go to the left an come back. Maybe just takes getting used to but I found it very Inconsistent, would love a ferrule that plays like brass but don't wear down
Hey Darren Thanks for watching and sharing. I’m completely used to the titanium now. It was a little different to being with and to be honest I still play terribly at times. Is it worth the change? It looks nicer and stays clean,brass as you know will tarnish over time and like you said wear down. So for that I would do the change again. As for throw on the CB strange one as right on the CB should push it left until that spin grips the cloth. Try some repeating shots see if you can replicate the results shot after shot. I used to this to try and improve my cueing consistency
@The Snooker Shed yeah I don't think I gave it enough time and I think I was cueing across the ball bad habits haha, but I'm getting a new cue made and I'm gonna go for the titanium ferrule just because of the brass wearing down and I love looking down at a shiny ferrule
Hi from Scotland, had my titanium ferrule done couple weeks ago, but not managed to get sum proper practice in yet as work getting done on the table in the garage atm
Another great video bud. So the titanium ferrule reduces deflection when playing shots with a little side spin, but not when using a lot, or extreme side spin?
Hey pal thank you for watching. Yes in my short experience so far that’s spot on. Even at more paced shots I think the deflection is less. You know when you have not enough angle on the black,playing the topspin with running side of bottom and side cushion I fine that different. I just need to bloody remember hahaha
Hi Buddy, I notice you say that if the cue ball is hit with a heavier weight, then the cue will have more effect on the cue ball. I think thats right, so is it better to have a lighter weight ferrule that has less effect on the cue ball or the heavier brass ferrule and have MORE effect on the cue ball. I suppose the answer is probably a personal preference thing, but in a way is it not better to to have the ability to have more effect and learn to control and lessen it when needed rather than start with less...if that makes any sense.... also i can imagine a young player starting out and only using titanium ferrules from the beginning, would he prefer to stick with titanium,,, i think so,,,,so us old men who grew up with only brass ferrules are probably not likely to change,,,, i think it would be partly because they have learnt how to deal with the extra effect the brass gives and probably would find it very difficult to learn (and un-learn) side spin shots all over again to suit a different ferrule. That being said if any player had no choice but change over time and practice i am sure that our brains would adjust to compensate, just like it did with the opposing type when we started out. Not been about for a bit, but i wore my Snooker Shed hoodie to the hospital appointment, 2 people asked me about the "shed" and even the consultant asked about it lol.... Be in touch soon mate... Keep up the good work,,,,and try and keep the stress levels down,,,,,, Take care buddy.
I admit titanium is lighter but only by about 1 gram!! The main selling point is because it is much harder than brass so when you re-tip it won't wear down as much. I know because i make and fit both ferrules
I take it your not sponsored by century pro. Be good to get some advice from someone who isn't, on the titanium one. As for the black with right #2 on the nic barrow cue ball, you missed because you didnt adjust your aim for the right side you put on the cue ball so the cue ball deflected to the left and hit the object ball too thick, this was exaggerated by the power you the shot with. I really need to get one of those balls, awesome stuff pal
Thanks for watching pal No not sponsored by anyone What product from the century do you want me to look at. Yip spot on even playing this shot with less pace I think R2 would miss Link in the description for the Nics ball who I am a affiliated member. As I believe this product is well worth having.
@@TheSnookerShed I second that the nic burrow snooker training ball is definitely worth having and he is also a fantastic coach as well and worth looking at his videos and contents too highly recommended probably one of the best snooker training ball you can have I think most of the others are not of equal size to snooker ball ie for pool or other games like American pool so different balls for different things however great contents from the snooker shed
Nope, not a lot heavier at all. I machine these from round stock. Brass 1.6g Ti(6al4v) 1.2g, so a 0.4g difference. Not saying it doesn't make a difference, but nowhere close to what the claims tends to be. Pretty sure you could use a steel ferrule and it would be close to the Ti ferrule in weight, but without all the difficulty of working with Ti.
Thanks for watching Kim That’s interesting to hear that, I am soon going to make a follow up video now I have been using the Ti for a while. Do you think it makes a difference?
@@TheSnookerShed I'll happily make you one of each and send them to you so you can do a apples to apples comparison. I'm over in Norway, so not that far away.
Hi. I'm considering the ferrule change now es well. Aluminium will be half times lighter then Ti. TI has desity of 4600 kg/m^3 and Alu of 2700 kg/m^3. Ti is a little bit stiffer :Emod = 110 GPa and Alu = 70 GPa. I calculated for my cue that by reducing the ferrule weight from 2 g to 1 g will reduce deflection approx. 10 %. Drilling out the center with 4 mm hole 20 cm deep reduce deflection approx 10 %. And sanding down the front 20 cm of the shaft will reduce deflection by 20%.
@@vyacheslavboyko6114 You are overthinking this and focusing on deflection at the detriment of everything else. Alu is soft and scratches very easily. Drilling out a 4mm hole in a 9mm shaft menas you remove about 40% of the mass, in other words at some point your cue will break, I see this all the time with Predator pool shafts. Low deflections offers no improvement in performance, it's only function is that you have to compensate less for spin, especially over longer distances, having said that, if you know your equipment you will fairly quickly do that compensating without even thinking about it. In other words Low deflection is in many ways mainly a marketing tool. Having said that I'd be more than happy to machine some ferrules for you. I would need to know the I.D and O.D and if your ferrule is threaded or not.
Ridiculous ‘review’, for starters if you knew anything about the titanium ferrule you’d know that on the shorter pots like the black your playing then the deflection is normal it’s over distance when playing with power like a figure 8 safety shot the ferrule truly comes into its own and you haven’t got the facilities for that, watch a video on RU-vid of Kyren Wilson trialing the Titanium ferrule then you’ll see the difference
Well yes unfortunately I don’t have the length of table. This review is for my experience of the ferrule not anyone else especially a top pro who plays on controlled conditions every time they play with almost perfect cueing and aiming. The figure of 8 safety or break off is something that I play regularly in the club and practice I found no difference because like I said if your not a top player your aim power and amount of side will differ with shot.
Thanks for watching Aye it’s no different now really as I’m used to the deflation. Is it less than a brass to be honest I would need to get out a brass ferrule and do the video again. Is it a fad I think it’s here to stay but not everyone wants or likes them. Other than the deflection claims what I would say they certainly don’t wear or discolor. Thanks for watching pal
