How Much Fuel Should You Bring Backpacking? || REI

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If you’ve ever wondered if you really need to bring more than one fuel canister, this video is for you. In it, Katie covers how to plan how much water you’ll need to boil on your trip, how to test your stove to see how many boils you can get out of a full canister, and how to use all that info to figure how much fuel you’ll need pack.
If you’ve got a bunch of half-empty canisters laying around, check out our video to see how much fuel is left in them: • How to Measure Caniste...
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@aaalllen 4 года назад

Passing on some advice I got a long while ago: write the total weight in grams w/ sharpie at the bottom. Then at the end of each trip, do it again.

@toml.8210 3 года назад

That's not a bad idea. It's about the same as she did in the video. After the trip, you can figure how much fuel (on average) for each boil by figuring the difference and dividing by the number of boils.

@5stardave 3 года назад

I prefer ounces.

@aaalllen 3 года назад

@@5stardave HYOK... the net weight on my can says 3.53oz / 100g... one has easier math imo

@3nertia 3 года назад

@@5stardave And that's fine but you get better precision with grams ...

@duckmeat4674 2 года назад

@@3nertia that's...not how units work. Both can be just as precise...

@GregoryVeizades 5 лет назад

Really impressed that you mentioned the lack of stove Regulation. Not something the average shopper would know to think about.

@andrew40 7 месяцев назад

I don't think that's true, though. The bulk of the fuel in the canister is liquid and the partial pressure doesn't change depending on how much is used. Assuming consistent temperature, the gas pressure is the same until very near the end when all liquid vaporized.

@aok5298 2 года назад

Thanks for talking in metric millilitres and grams. This is much more relatable for most of the world. Great vid, useful information 👍

@LydJaGillers 2 года назад

I have noticed more and more Americans using Metric nowadays. I really hope we do a full on conversion soon. It was supposed to happen in the 70s but we got lazy lol

@alquinn8576 Год назад

@@LydJaGillers communist. it's freedom units or nothing

@hoozurmama883 3 года назад

Very informative video. Sometimes REI stuff is too top level. I appreciate this one getting in the weeds but still making it very clear and concise.

@AdventureOtaku 4 года назад

This is really a sensational video.THANK YOU for calling out the caveats! You hit them all! This was indoors, no wind, unregulated stove. The only thing you didn’t mention was water temp! If you are using filtered water from a stream it is going to be COLD which will affect boil time. Great Video, thanks.

@BrettVano 5 месяцев назад

As a newbie, this video knocked it out of the park. And I was really surprised at the attention to detail on the variables in this. The team on this video really covered their bases.

@muskietime 4 года назад

Well done. Right to the point, mentioned that there will be variables that impact “Real Life” and showed the math so users can draw their own conclusions. Appreciate that this was not a “Sales Pitch” (heck, even used an older burner!). Thank you. Subscribed

@seaotter52 5 лет назад

There's no need to go to a full boil for most rehydration cooking. If you stop when you start getting a couple of bubbles on the bottom it will be plenty hot especially when you use a coozy. Depending on the food, I have the stove on less time, maybe 25-30% less. For hot chocolate I only heat till hot to the touch.

@BrettVano 5 месяцев назад

Nice point!

@TheDataDispatch 5 лет назад

Sure it's under ideal conditions, but the test gives a nice baseline. Thanks for the video. I prefer to carry esbit so I can take just the right amount of fuel and not have to carry around empty canisters, but this is a great starting point for thinking about how many canisters to carry for when I have to take the old MSR.

@jayesh5131 4 года назад

We need videos like this rather than comparing stoves. GD job 😍😍😍

@user-yj5pm3gf8h 11 месяцев назад

This is a great video for helping kids learn division/ multiplication

@321southtube 2 года назад

Great job....good info. Please look past the "could of" "should of" "would of" gang. Mileage always vary...we're adults. Thanks again nice job, good vid and awesome data.

@kirkw1740 3 года назад

So 27 min 30 sec to burn through 100 g of fuel with that setup. I'd be really interested to see a comparison of burn times and boil times for different burners and tanks. I'm also curious what position your valve was in, but assume it was fully open.

@dickmitchell7609 Год назад

Thanks to you and REI for the informative video. Thanks, too, to those who contributed their knowledge on the effects of temperature, altitude, and wind. And for the suggestion to carry a full spare canister.

@klaws2719 Год назад

Suuuuuuper video!!! If we could only have every video be this worthwhile. For this we can thank REI and cross our fingers for others to step up to the bar that has been raised. Until then…thank you REI for putting a ton of time and effort into a vid that was educational and enjoyable!

@michelleshadel3146 3 года назад

Great video! Super helpful as I've been meaning to find the answer to this myself, thanks for doing the work for me! Same small collection of partially used containers in my gear...Sharpie tally marks on the bottom to keep track of # of boils will be my future plans. Thank you!

@mrq1701 3 года назад

Great video! The pot I use to boil water has a heat exchanger and it dramatically cut down on boil times. I always place the lid on the pot as well, which further cuts down on boil times.

@JeremiahStringer 5 лет назад

Excellent video! Very valuable info to know before hitting the trail. Appreciate the vid!

@legendofhyrule03 Год назад

Math never makes sense to me. This was great. Wish I had a math teacher like you back in the day.

@rei Год назад

Thanks for watching, Ver! We're glad our video was able to help you out. 😊

@gdaymates431 4 года назад

I love these videos. So helpful!

@azclaimjumper 3 года назад

Thanks to the G Works adapter, I always start any & all trips with a FULL canister of fuel. I don't have any partially empty canister laying around. When I return from a trip, I top of the canister until it is FULL.

@Jms200013 3 года назад

Thanks for the tip!:)

@willmcgrane6359 4 года назад

Excellent & very informative. Thank you!

@glynnmorgan6422 4 месяца назад

I just knew this was gonna be a science lesson. Just knew!!

@edsmercina7157 2 года назад

Thanks, very informative.

@borg386 2 года назад

Genius! Something I have always wondered. Now it's clear. Thanks!

@rei 2 года назад

Woohoo! Thanks for stopping by.

@markcummings6856 4 года назад

Excellent video. Thanks.

@StevenTorrey 4 года назад

Now that was helpful & practical!

@mattcero1 2 года назад

Very useful! I was about to do this on my back porch so thanks for saving me the effort. One of these will do 6 liters or about 25 cups of water. I can boil water for oatmeal and coffee and one of these will last me 12 days or 6 days if I have a dinner. Many thanks.

@rei 2 года назад

We're so glad this information was timely for you. Thanks for watching!

@wtr7 4 года назад

Great vid. Thank you!

@FIA55902 4 года назад

Huge difference between boiling cold water in winter and boiling warmer water in summer. Obviously wind and altitude also play a role. It's probably more reliable to keep track of how long you've used a particular container, since assuming that the stove is burning full on, the time per canister should be relatively reproducible. Once you know that you get X number of minutes of burner time from a canister, you can just time each boil on the stopwatch on your phone, and keep a phone note of time used for the canister.

@TainoXtreme 4 года назад

It is a very good video. Very instructional. It took me a while to understand the technical aspect of backpacking but I’m doing better at it. Being blind makes it a little bit difficult but not impossible. What is your favorite field system for backpacking? Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.

@williemasonjohnson 5 лет назад

Cool informative video, thank y'all

@21trips 5 лет назад

Way better than the last few videos

@heartbrkkid55 4 года назад

Great tips! I always bring more fuel than I prob should.

@Julus65 4 года назад

Wow excellent video,the explication are well done,thanks

@victorvasquez2788 5 лет назад

about what I came up with. 10 boils right on. Thx for the info..

@JohnFisk-OHS-78 3 года назад

As so many have said: Excellent video! Probably the best take home message - do your own homework if you tend to be OCD and want to be prepared. The alternative is to risk over- or under-resourcing. Admittedly, you can probably live without a stove for an entire through hike, but.. ***shudder*** who would want to. Hot caffeine in the AM fuels human existence. Experiment in your backyard and have some fun. Again, many thanks!

@surfing4theloveofit Год назад

Great presentation 👏 the way you explained this was simple and informative, well done 🥰 from rick Perth Australia 🇦🇺

@RaineErasmusWalker Год назад

This is a great video! I was just thinking about investing into a portable gas stove, I had no idea what a regulated stove was (the new MSR Pocket Rocket actually has this feature). Thank you ❤

@larrys3341 4 года назад

The starting temperature of the water was not included in the test which is an important factor as you are raising a given volume of water from a starting temperature to a boil. Mountain streams and lakes are cold!!

@brandonb.5304 3 года назад

She said multiple times, "in ideal conditions." The implication was pretty clear that if the water is colder or if there's wind, it'll take longer to boil.

@billseay6399 3 года назад

Hey Thanks big help

@6BRENO6 4 года назад

Awesome video 👍🏻

@worldcitizeng6507 3 года назад

Useful information @👍

@TDSudduth 5 лет назад

Nicely presented; excellent information! My results show about 3 minutes per boil for 500 mL (at 8,200 feet elevation). Complications as noted here and in comments are starting temp of water and wind, and not noted but critical, elevation. So bottom line, for minimalist, ultralight, 5-7 day section at 10,000 to 11,000 elevation with ONE canister I will start with one 3-minute boil per day (dinner), use wind screen, warm icy creek water in pack or even perhaps with body heat, then splurge on two boils per day in final two or three days. Comments?

@bradleyjohnson322 3 года назад

I like hot breakfast and suppers. So i plan on two boils a day... i carry a altoids mini emergency stove in my pack for lunch or a mid afternoon drink. Start to finish about 9 min with set up boil cool down and crushing out the ashes. I also use aluminium foil for windstop and couple loose rocks as back stop. And 250 ml of water to drench the ashes.

@joshuaheathcock7571 4 года назад

Great info REI. I just subed

@aeonthailand 3 года назад

thank you helpful for me

@MichaelLeopold1 6 месяцев назад

Helpful

@ronaldrose7593 5 лет назад

Hello Katie, thank you for sharing this great information, very mathematical. Do you have a video which features an alcohol stove? You did an extremely fine job in presenting the information. Take care and be safe. 🤗

@BingWatcher 3 года назад

That would be great to see, but I don't know if REI sells them!

@georgebowman1060 8 месяцев назад

Awesome 👍

@trailkrum6750 5 лет назад

This is a decent baseline so long as you make sure to control for the temperature of the tap water; however, you'll want a much more conservative 'safety' margin than 1.25, preferably > 1.5 or even 2.0 if hiking in cold, windy conditions.

@chaechong8199 Год назад

Nice job! = THX

@rei Год назад

🙌😀

@naturecallsoutdoors 5 лет назад

I really like this type of video from REI. Great Job!

@cmcer1995 5 лет назад

Useful information. I think it would be good, if in doubt carry the old, use it up along with a new canister.

@rei 5 лет назад

Hello! Glad it helped. If the extra ounces will be OK to carry, that is an option as well.

@carloszenteno 5 лет назад

@Click Bait Good question. Maybe it is a repost?

@santiagohills3997 5 лет назад

Click Bait REI Travel now offers trips to the recent past.

@sk8erdawg25 5 лет назад

For all the people saying they use wood to boil water and don't use stoves, keep in mind that in some places it is illegal to have open fires. Also, during certain times of the year or after an extended period of time without rain it is also illegal. Thru-hikers use them for the first reason. Some places, like Harper's Ferry WV, you can't have open fires or stoves. That is because of a historical fire that occurred there I believe.

@WAltws-wh9do 3 года назад

Please don't forget that you can use your stove to start a warming fire. So pack extra lp always. It can save your life. Packing extra fuel weight is never a bad think. Thank You REI. Miranda Poops 😁

@Mossman4u2 Год назад

Also take into consideration that the water boils sooner at higher elevations.

@a.ramosakadrumgrl6677 Год назад

I did a camping trip last week and barely had any fuel in one canister, it lasted me the entire trip, two breakfasts (including water for coffee and oatmeal, plus bacon for the first morning) and two dinners (boiling water and cooking meat). I was very impressed with my stove I used and how little fuel it took to feed me for the three days I was gone. I even had major windy conditions both evenings. I had a snow peak canister. I still took an extra canister with me, in case I ran out of fuel (No fires and no BBQs where I was camping, stoves must have regulators on them).

@robertdepalma7321 3 года назад

Real rocket science,wow!

@kenwbrenner Год назад

Nicely done, I was thinking to be safe, assume 10 boils of 16 oz of water for a 100g canister. I'm also going to assume 20 boils of 16 oz of water for a 220g canister, just to be safe. Thank you for the demo of this process!

@conracewhatever5224 3 года назад

I love Cathy

@elicialollove2602 5 лет назад

Love it

@oepaga12 3 года назад

really helpful, thanks for sharing.

@GarGri 3 года назад

Very pleasant young lady with a well reasoned argument regarding the usage I'll get from my canister which is the same (absolutely identical) as hers. But mine says 110g net. on the side. I nit picking here, she answered my question, I'm going out to buy another canister...

@TheSJCieply 5 месяцев назад

Please note that these numbers are when going around room temperature. You could be burning much more fuel in the winter.

@mhitchner 5 лет назад

I get a kick out of the people commenting and talking about how its a waste to bring fuel. Many places you go there is no fuel. What do you burn above tree line or in the desert? Lichen? Rocks? Sand? I also got a kick out of people saying fuel is a waste of weight yet they say they bring guns/ammo/axes/etc... talk about a waste of weight.... And there are plenty of places you are not allowed to(or shouldn't) collect fuel, like high alpine environments or arid regions where the vegetation is scarce, or in more populated parks with heavy traffic.

@suspicioustumbleweed4760 5 лет назад

Yep. And don't forget you can have coffee and tea while still being in a sleeping bag and tent.

@RamaSivamani 3 года назад

I have a friend who doesn't bring a stove or fuel for trips 4 days or shorter. The majority of his calories is consumed in dry nuts. Cashews have the most calories per ounce out of all the nuts so he mostly lives on cashews during short backpacking trips.

@governmentghost01 3 года назад

@@RamaSivamani Imagine using the bathroom after only eating cashews, it'd feel like a saw movie

@tepanganiban 3 года назад

I can’t like this video enough

@jamesrogers4674 3 года назад

I like to pack my 20 lb lp grill tank with a 1lb adapter hose, 1lb to butane stove adapter, and a jetboil. Did use a pocket rocket but the jetboil is way more efficient so the fuel lasts the whole weekend.

@sagehiker 5 лет назад

I agree, in most real world conditions, 10 boils of 500 ml of water per standard iso butane canister with an MSR Pocket Rocket us about right. And it also validates my inclination toward liquid fuel stoves for more than three days and if you like more than one hot meal a day. Light up the stove wars.....

@GregoryVeizades 5 лет назад

After getting a free MSR Dragonfly, I think i've found my perfect stove for me. I'm usually cooking for more than just myself, and it just made carrying one medium size fuel bottle for 3 days vs the 3 ISO canisters I used to to have to carry with my Whisperlite Universal. (Yes I know the Whisperlite can use liquid fuel) But the dragonfly is the better stove in my opinion.

@Choklar_ 2 месяца назад

I bought two of those small ones for my Wife and I and we've gone on three 4 night/5 day trips and they're both still kicking. I better check their levels, they gotta be getting close to being empty by now? They feel like they last forever though!

@carrjeep7538 5 лет назад

The 230 gram canisters seem like they last forever. I only cook once a day but I had one canister go from Dunsmuir, CA to Trout Lake, WA and another lasted the rest of Washington when I was on the PCT last year.

@dakine9445 5 лет назад

Jet boil is more efficient with fuel especially if just boiling water...however your I do like that msr set up

@pablobulldog 4 года назад

I have a jet boil but didn't know it's more efficient. Do you know why and by how much? Thanks!

@JT-tr5cz 3 года назад

What about the effects of high altitude? If hiking around Lake Tahoe at 7,000 ft, does water boil faster? Does that mean a canister will last longer?

@toddverbeek5113 8 месяцев назад

An important factor is temperature: it takes significantly more time/fuel to boil water taken from a 40ºF mountain stream than water that starts at 70ºF.

@freddukepoo3359 3 года назад

Are boil times different with titanium and aluminum?

@olegmamontov5692 Год назад

Thanks you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@renza481 2 года назад

Some countries have free drinkwater points. The average hiker map have these marked. If you don't have 1 on your map go to the local information points. In the netherlands it's called vvv. It saves you gas if you want to drink or use something cold.

@jaybutera3353 2 месяца назад

Any thoughts on how altitude might affect these calculations? At 10,000 feet, water boils at 194f, so it might take less fuel to boil. However, combustion might be less efficient due to reduced atmospheric oxygen.

@brockmacd 5 лет назад

do you find canisters of the same brand, are always the same weight? I have some neglected to weigh before I used, and don't know how much left.

@markcummings6856 4 года назад

Brock MacDonald Yes, all brands sell 100 grams.

@wanderingcalamity360 3 года назад

@@markcummings6856 That was not the question asked.

@ethanneff9817 4 года назад

Here I am with a jetboil with too much fuel for every trip. I use the same canister for multiple mulit-day hikes

@journeysofsaltlick8596 3 года назад

With my Pocket Rocket, I get 22 boils of 16 oz of water from 8 oz of fuel with my titanium pot. Use 20 as the planning number. Only boil for dinner to 8 oz from dinner and 8 oz soup or tea.

@santiagohills3997 5 лет назад

Whoa. This passes peer review! I was just working on this the other day, my conclusion was 1 can per person for a 5 day trip, assuming two .5L boils/day, then throw in a partial can for margin. Simmering pasta is a big variable, especially at altitude.

@donnajean72 3 года назад

The side of my jet boil 100g can says 24 boils! I'm glad I saw this because what the heck. I'm not sure how much water was tested to make them come up with 24. Is real life literally half of what they are advertising?

@willek1335 3 года назад

They aquired testing water from a hot spring. 👻

@Red_Proton 4 года назад

"Ideal conditions" inside makes for a nice baseline, but it's only one condition. Make some other baselines, too, examine the performance over the range of conditions with data points on: air speed, precipitation, temperature, and elevation.

@XJarhead360 3 года назад

www.mercatorgear.com has your answers. See comment above by the company 16 hours ago (today 7/28/2020)

@willek1335 3 года назад

Is it more efficient to use low, moderate, or high power when boiling water and/or snow?

@Jms200013 3 года назад

That’s a good question, I reckon it depends on your stove first and foremost. Also depends on wind and other variables but I think medium high is most efficient as you won’t be losing water boil temps through the atmospheric temperature around you. Aka, faster the boil the less heat you lose through a slow boil.

@strangerous1313 11 месяцев назад

Bring her back!

@LuckyTown77 2 года назад

Some manufacturers' canisters give you 10 less boils per canister...why is MSR so inefficient compared to Coleman?

@YankeeWoodcraft Год назад

If she would've been my teacher in school, I would've gotten straight A's.

@isaacdelgado7394 4 года назад

Curious, wouldn’t the numbers be a bit closer if test was done outside ?

@ajw8383 2 года назад

Not really, it would just add variables that can't be accounted for to the data (sporadic wind, outside temp, heating from direct sunlight) which would result in data that cannot be reproduced, and is largely useless. Better to figure ideal, cut it in half.

@fabianmargarint7879 5 лет назад

This is a nice experiment. If it is exact, no it is not. One would have to consider the aptitude, wind factor, season, aso. But that is for us to add to the equation. So thanks for the videos, really helpful. Keep up the good work. From Romania with love! :)

@saminthewoods 5 лет назад

Fabian Margarint that's why you can count on 10 boils, not 12.

@wisenber 4 года назад

I prefer my Caldera Ti-Tri below treeline and white gas above. That way I don't have to worry about partial canisters, temperature, disposal.... Cookless in warmer months.

@stephenimsong3462 Год назад

Just keep in mind this experiment showcases boiling water I’m assuming starting at room temp. Typically water i collect is always colder. I’d take the number if boils and multiple it by .75 to be safe. So 12 boils becomes 8-10

@twhis9843 2 месяца назад

You’re on the money with that.

@martinpahl5652 Год назад

Nice video, but one fallacy here: The pressure in the canister does not continually decline. Most of the gas is in a liquid state and compensates for use of gas by some of the liquid turning into gas to compensate for the pressure drop. The effect of lower pressure when the canister is empty is caused by a drop in temperature. A liquid evaporating uses heat, so the temperature of the gas is lower than the liquid. The pressure of this gas/liquid system is lower at lower temperatures. If there is still a lot of liquified gas in the canister the sheer amount will compensate for the temperature drop. When the canister is nearly empty the temperature can't be compensated and you get the typical " cold canister"showing it will be empty soon.

@rei Год назад

This is what makes the community amazing. We appreciate the insight!

@saminthewoods 5 лет назад

212 seconds for.5 liters. That's one second per degree for boiling point. Pocket rocket 2 does a full liter in 3 min. Thanks for this

@kevinholmes9982 5 лет назад

check your math buddy there weren't 100 seconds in a minute last time i checked

@toml.8210 3 года назад

She is using the difference in weight between the fill can and after boiling 1/2 liter of water. If you use liquid fuel, you need to measure how many ounces of fuel you pour into the stove, then measure how many ounces are left after you boil once (or twice!) The time to boil the water doesn't factor into the amount of fuel used. It's just for knowledge. This experiment is only useful if you are camping at a site that's about the same elevation as the place where you do this experiment (at home.) If you climb mountains much higher than home, then you will need slightly less fuel for each boil (water usually boils faster at higher elevations.) The important point is to figure the amount (in grams or ounces) of fuel needed to boil the 1/2 Liter of water, then multiply by the number of meals for the total.

@kaseyhair6779 4 года назад

People should keep in mind that, although minimal, the amount of fuel lost between removing it from the burner and starting ignition can also play a factor in the amount of burn time and uses you will have...

@elcamalote1360 4 года назад

👍👍👍👍👍

@russell2952 4 года назад

Always test with ice-cold water. At least where I backpack the water is stupidly cold.

@chrischristofis8501 Год назад

Thank you needed to know that, oh your kinda cute also 😉

@aulii11 5 лет назад

My stove uses liquid fuel - how much should I bring?

@daveybernard1056 4 года назад

An 11 fluid ounce white gas bottle has similar cooking power to a 220 gram propane/butane canister. "similar" My 220 g fuel cans last me 5 days for one guy. White gas loses a little to butane mix canisters because of priming losses, and spilling drops of it here and there, making and breaking connections.

@duybear4023 3 года назад

REI needs to offer refilling services for these canisters. I'm sure they'd make money.

@walterronten8008 3 года назад

Nice, but you would probably need a stouter valve and stronger canister for it to work.

@oz-ng4tl 3 года назад

These butane-propane canisters are structurally designed for single use. It would require to re-engineer a new canister/tank.

@wanderingcalamity360 3 года назад

@@oz-ng4tl You say that like it's a bad thing. A thicker, stouter, reusable canister would easily be worth the weight and cost. Think about the added cost and waste of each new disposable canister that you need.