How Much Magnification Do You Actually need..? 

U just use kentucky windage?

so 4x is good enough?

@@stigcc All you need for shooting between 10-80 m is a descent 4x32 (without AO), with parallax set at 50 m, good field of view, acceptable glass resolution, light and durable (spring air gun rated). If you look around, you can find one that will not cost you an arm and a leg.

The SWFA 6x42 is even better for airgunning. Much better resolution at close distances. The only negative is the size and weight of the scope, especially for a light springer.

Glad you enjoyed it!

For hunting sure. Target shooting is a different story.

@@Patrick-857 you can target shoot with a 4x32 at 25 m, as long as it has a descent glass and a thin but visible reticle

@yannisbossis7153 Depends on the discipline. Field target and F Class you're at a serious disadvantage with a low power scope. In stuff like PRS, it's a disadvantage not to have a 4-16x50 FFP scope with a full featured reticle because you're shooting at both very close targets and very far targets, so changing magnification becomes necessary. You need that higher when reaching out to be precise enough. I strongly disagree with the idea that low magnification is better. It's not, unless you're a hunter or someone in one if these action shooting disciplines. The best scope is the one that suits your use case best. In my sport of choice a 10-50x60 SFP with 1/8th MOA clicks is the best option. In PRS it would be extremely disadvantageous to have such a scope. I choose 8th MOA over 20th MRAD clicks because that's the adjustment available. I choose extremely high magnification because that's the standard in my sport, and it's needed to be competitive. I choose SFP because there's little advantage to FFP for us. Choose the right scope for the job. Making a blanket statement like low magnification is better, or you don't need high magnification is not productive. And just because you CAN use a 4x32 for target shooting doesn't mean you should. Why place unnecessary limitations on yourself? Good scopes aren't expensive anymore. If you shoot better at lower mag, great, get a scope with a wide zoom range, so the magnification is there when you need it.

@@Patrick-857 Hi Patrick, please feel free to use whatever you think is better for you and your sport discipline. The original post was about the merits of a simple low magnification scope. I just wanted to add that this is possible with a high quality glass and reticle. Have you ever looked through a 4x32 IOR Valdada? You can see wrinkles on the paper at 25 m and mosquitos at 35. And if that is not enough, you can look through a Meopta 8x56. With that, you can see wrinkles at 75 m and mosquitos at 125 m :)

@yannisbossis7153 For sure there are benefits to low magnification. However I don't think that applies to all situations. People start out in my sport with low magnification scopes and they inevitably graduate to high mag scopes. We sacrifice a clear image and easy of use for other benefits. At 50x my scope is hard to see through. Extremely eye boxy, dark, grainy and sensitive to my hold. However I wouldn't be competitive without that magnification, and I almost exclusively shoot on 50x, even as close as 10 yards. I only back off for standing shots.

This is something we will be looking at implementing next time. Kind Regards John OPW

Not sure - think this made the point about high mag and increased 'shake' really well - even though the 'shake' is the same as at lower mags!

@@hmfc2005 Agreed. Makes the disadvantage of higher magnification really clear.

Hello Michael I would suggest something along the lines of a 3-9x, 3-12x or 4-16x magnification, take a look at the vector veyron 3-12 as this is a nice little compact scope that would suit the HW30s or the Vector Cerato 3-9x32. Kind Regards John OPW

@@OpticsWarehouse1 Thanks for the prompt reply, John: one variant of the hw30s comes with a 4x32 scope but I feel I'm going to need a bit more than x4 so I'll look at your suggestions.

Hw 30, is a great gun, had mine 4 months, so accurate, and so much fun.

Have a hw35 for 45 years now, great gun

it can be difficult to judge distance at night, this will come with practice, experience and knowing the layout of the permission you shoot on. Kind Regards John OPW

you will need mounts suitable for clearing the magazine, take a look at the WULF 30mm adjustable dovetail on our website. Kind Regards John OPW

I use a 50x scope.

@@Jimmycricket- I regularly shoot at 50m with no real issues, and it's the gun that is the limiting factor. A 10x scope is perfectly useable out to most reasonable hunting ranges, even using powder-burners, a mate has the same on his .22 rimfire. Great scope and I really recommend any shooter to at least try a good fixed mag scope. It'd be absolutely perfect on a HW98. Or look at the Optisan CP 10x32, possibly a slightly better scope but no IR. You get a far greater clarity and a superb depth of field without the extra lenses in the tube, a more "real" picture of the target.

@@Patrick-857 Why? You shooting at over 250m?

@davidpaylor5666 No 50m max. It's standard to use at least 50x in my sport of airgun field target. We need the magnification for rangefinding. Some lf the top shooters use a March 80x scope. You get used to it. I think it's a myth that high magnification hurts your accuracy. What it does is make target acquisition more difficult. I stick to 50x for targets at all distances, even down to 9m. I back off to 40x in lower light, and with positional targets I rangefind all targets in the lane from a seated position and then back off to 10x for taking the shot standing or kneeling. Can't really rangefind at 10x but using 50x standing is extremely difficult.

@@Patrick-857 With you now. You need a really short depth of field, so that makes sense. I'm completely fine with anyone using the CORRECT kit for their discipline, I just find it funny when I see someone who only used their gun for plinking and a bit of bunny-bashing but have a scope that weighs more than their gun. They'd be way more comfortable and probably more accurate with a smaller scope.

That scope was a Vector Continental 2-15x50. Kind Regards John OPW

With the AO scopes, adjusting the focus effectively moves the virtual image of the cross hairs 'closer' to the target, minimising any parallax error due to poor eye alignment with the ocular of the scope.

It means the same thing.

Lpvo

Even for squirrel right? Next I'm gonna buy fixed scope either it's 4x or 6x still confused.. rainforest environment btw I think I'll choose 4x

@@calvinchandra6816 I would recommend taking a look at a Primary Arms GLX 3x prism, as long as you have the budget for it. These scopes have a large FOV and have etched reticules with a crystal clear image through the prism. They are also very small in size and lightweight.

Depends on your application. I personally think a 6-24x50 is probably the most versatile scope for general airgun use. I use a Falcon X50, which is a 10-50x60. But I need that for a specific airgun sport where that's the standard.

It's a second focal plane scope that the reticle wire stays the same

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In FT the gun is normally one of yhje cheaper parts of the total rig. My scope cost twice what I paid for my gun and I could have spent a lot more on a scope.

I know I actually perfected my rock throwing skills I actually managed after a few years of throwing rocks at targets bout little smaller than baseball size rocks I can do a 3 inch group at 20 yards an I chronod the rock it had 32 foot pound and I just use a rock if anything is close ammo is pricey now a day

@marksman349 well done. I am surprised you don't get more energy than that with rocks that size.

@@mrfarts5176 What do ya think im bigfoot I cant make that kinda energy with rocks