How Much Muscle Can You Build With & Without Steroids?

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In this video, I cover how much muscle most people can build naturally versus how much muscle can be built by using steroids.
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Topics:
0:00 - How much muscle can you build naturally?
4:02 - How much muscle do steroids add?
11:25 - Downsides of steroids
11:57 - Natty vs enhanced discussion
In this video we will look at scientific studies and real world examples to determine how much muscle can be built naturally versus enhanced. The natural examples we'll consider are Alex Leonidas (AlphaDestiny), Geoffrey Verity Schofield as well as pre-steroid era lifters from the early 1900's. On the enhanced side, we'll look at 212 Mr. Olympia Champion Shaun Clarida and IFBB Classic Physique Mr. Olympia Chris Bumstead. We'll then look at some downsides of enhancing and some practical takeaways when it comes to the decision of whether to use anabolics or not.
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References:
Fat-Free Mass Index in Steroid and Non-Steroid Users:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7496846/
History of Anabolic Steroid Usage:
alanaragon.com/researchreview/ (Aug 2014)
How Effective are Steroids?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8637535/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11701...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12517...
Variability in Muscle Growth
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15947...
Steroid Side Effects:
nida.nih.gov/research-topics/...
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Filmed, edited and produced by Jeff Nippard
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Chrome Sparks - Give It Up
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Bankrupt Beats - Destination
mtbrd - When I Tell You
Bankrupt Beats - Braaains
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About me: I'm a Canadian natural pro bodybuilder and internationally-qualified powerlifter with a BSc in biochemistry/chemistry and a passion for science. I've been training for 15 years drug-free. I'm 5'5 and fluctuate between 160 lbs (lean) and 180 lbs (bulked).
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Disclaimers: Jeff Nippard is not a doctor or a medical professional. Always consult a physician before starting any exercise program. Use of this information is strictly at your own risk. Jeff Nippard will not assume any liability for direct or indirect losses or damages that may result from the use of information contained in this video including but not limited to economic loss, injury, illness or death.

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@JeffNippard 9 месяцев назад

I wanted to quickly respond to a few questions and critiques I've seen on this video. I posted this on my youtube community tab but figured I'd comment it here as well. Let’s start with the natural stuff. 1: “Not all natural growth curves look like they do in the video.” (see 1:00) True. The growth curves I showed in the video would only apply to lifters who have been training quite effectively from the jump. If you’ve been training with either poor effort or poor methods, you may very well gain a small amount of muscle initially and then see your muscle gain shoot up later in your lifting career. I added the red line to Image 1 to show what muscle growth might look like for someone who discovers effective training methods later in their journey. To be fair, in the video I do say that “natural lifters **doing most things right** will experience a similar growth curve” but in the real world, a lot of people don’t “do most things right” from the beginning. So this is totally a fair thing to point out. 2: “I don’t think a natural ceiling actually exists for muscle gain.” I respectfully disagree on this one. If there was no such thing as a natural ceiling then people would just continue growing into their 40s, 50s and 60s. But they rarely, if ever, do unless their training was highly suboptimal beforehand. Even gaining 1 lb of muscle per year would result in 30 lbs of muscle gain after going from 30 to 60 years old. That would be a HUGE visual difference. But I’ve never heard of an experienced natural lifter making a transformation like that after lifting effectively for a decade or more. With that said, I still think 99+% of people aren’t actually AT their natural muscular ceiling. Very few people actually optimize all the training and nutrition variables and most people will still be able to make marginal gains deep into their natural lifting careers. But even for the small portion of people who are more or less natty-maxxed, there is no shame in maintaining a physique you’ve taken years of hard work to build. I think that the fitness community would benefit from being less uber-focused on GAINS GAINS GAINS all the time and more focused on the process of lifting, especially in the later training stages. Ok on to the steroids stuff: 3: “I think you’re overstating how much muscle steroids actually build.” For some people this video overstates how much muscle steroids can add. For others, it understates how much muscle steroids can add. There is an enormous range in genetic response to anabolics, just like there is an enormous range in genetic response to natural training. Throughout the video I did my best to emphasize that some will gain more, some will gain less, but these are the best average ranges I could come up with based on real world examples and scientific data. Overall, I wouldn’t agree with this critique. 4: “Those steroid studies actually measure fat free mass, not muscle mass.” True. If you look at the Y-axis at 5:14 it says Fat Free Mass, not muscle mass. Fat free mass includes muscle mass but also includes water, organs, bones, (everything except fat). The reason I said “muscle” in the video instead of “fat free mass” is honestly because I found in previous videos that the term “fat free mass” confuses people. It isn’t a term a lot of people are familiar with. For example, I used fat free mass to determine protein intake in some earlier videos and it caused a lot of issues. Many people struggled understanding that you determine fat free mass by subtracting your body fat mass from your total body mass and I found this extra step frustrating as a coach/communicator. This previous experience made me averse to using the term in videos and I try to avoid it if I can. Because of this, in this video, I approximated fat free mass as muscle mass. In retrospect, I probably should have just said “fat free mass” but here’s why I thought it was a fine enough approximation: Look at the fat free mass (FFM) gained by the 4 groups in the 1996 Bhasin study at 5:14. Was that mostly just water weight and not actually muscle? Or maybe it was organ weight and not actually muscle? Or could it have been bone weight and not actually muscle? I don’t think so. I think it was, in fact, mostly muscle. Here’s why. The Bhasin study used both DEXA scans to assess FFM *and* MRI scans to measure muscle volume. And when you look at the data, the MRI numbers line up perfectly with the FFM numbers. For example, according to the MRI findings, the training + no steroids group saw a ~5% increase in quad volume, while the steroids + no training group saw a ~7% increase in quad volume and the steroids + training group saw a ~14% increase in quad volume. These numbers scale damn near perfectly with the FFM findings. To me, this indicates that the fat free mass gained was mostly muscle. Despite this, I probably should have been more precise and said fat free mass instead of "muscle” in the video, or at the very least I should have added a footnote on the screen with a more thorough explanation of the terms in the description box. Hopefully this post will suffice for now and I’ll try to be less loose with this term moving forward. I’m going to figure out a way to get potentially confusing terms like this technically correct without losing the audience. I’m sure it’s doable. Since we’re on the topic of the Bhasin study, there’s another caveat that I’d like to mention. Why did the steroids group gain so much mass without even training? That seems a bit odd. I suspect at least part of the reason is because the subjects in this study were detrained lifters and not new lifters. Therefore, some of the mass they gained was no doubt a result of regaining lost muscle as opposed to gaining new muscle from scratch. This likely explains why there were higher overall rates of muscle gain than usual in this study. However, this would apply to BOTH the natty and enhanced groups. The natty training group would have leveraged muscle memory too, so this doesn’t really explain the *difference* between the natty vs enhanced groups - at least not fully. Because of this, I didn’t think it was a detail worth including in the final version of the video. There is always an editorial challenge when making these videos in deciding how deep to go on study details without losing the audience. In the future, I’ll try my best to leave less on the cutting room floor, maybe by including more footnotes in the description box, especially if there is a detail that I don’t think people need to know to get the practical takeaway, but would still add some valuable context to the findings. I think I can make that work moving forward. 🤝 Lastly, I want to say that I definitely think the takeaway figures given in the video are accurate ranges. Adding 20-40 lbs of muscle (pure muscle, not total weight) is a realistic average range for most natties (some will gain more, some will gain less). And doubling those gains is pretty standard for people who enhance with moderate bodybuilding dosages over a decent timescale given a more or less average genetic response. And I definitely believe that steroids have the potential to make an enormous impact on your gains, within the range of the figures shown in the studies that I covered. And of course, the downsides of steroids mentioned in the video should make us question whether or not those gains are worth it. Anyway, I hope this clarifies the video further and as always I appreciate the feedback. Peace!

@wesj1064 9 месяцев назад

Addressed every "counterpoint" or criticism very well Jeff. This is probably my fave video of yours. Thanks for this one.

@legend_himself 9 месяцев назад

Jeff, lying is a sin. You are not natural, you either took stuff in the past or lying about not taking it now as well. Spiritual laws work better than physical they definitely hit harder so I'd come clean if I were you.

@kinginthenorth1437 9 месяцев назад

@@legend_himselfIf you're going to criticize lying bringing up spiritual bs is about the most hypocritical threat you coukd make against it.

@legend_himself 9 месяцев назад

@@kinginthenorth1437 yeah yeah keep telling yourself that bro Maybe that why your life sucks, you're angry, lonely and miserable. Think about it, pal

@wardidly3098 9 месяцев назад

Avoiding the elephant in the room is the question about your past gear use.

@georgespyropoulos7708 9 месяцев назад

Bringing in Derek as the «anonymous anabolic expert” got me good😂

@jordanleonard6540 9 месяцев назад

That was hilarious.

@ChoddedNloaded 9 месяцев назад

No it’s “Eric more weight more hate”

@nicholaspetrelis9570 9 месяцев назад

Facts. I’m dead 💀

@PlayshotKalo 9 месяцев назад

💀

@ugprashanth 9 месяцев назад

Hahahaha😂

@NationKiwi 9 месяцев назад

Derek as the anonymous source lmaoo

@URWELCOME 9 месяцев назад

The turk seller (no turk inside da pill)

@jeffmcmahon6363 9 месяцев назад

Anonymously coming to you from the Spa!

@miguelharo209 9 месяцев назад

Shit had me dying 😂😂

@rivahkillah 9 месяцев назад

Shhhh!

@mlajdksbfksmdnx5165 9 месяцев назад

Bro it was a joke

@TheMadAfrican1 4 месяца назад

Man. Those bodybuilders from the old days are truly amazing to me. They didn't have the same amount of high tech equipment, bodybuilding wasn't considered "normal", and yet they did mad things that are still impressive to this day.

@DomReacts 2 месяца назад

They used steroids a lot also though

@petercsakvari5519 2 месяца назад

@@DomReacts Ye, especially the guys who have been showcased as the greap PRE STEROID ERA bodybuilders. They did a lot of steroids somehow...

@vandalg282 2 месяца назад

Eugen Sandow and the rest were natural, they just also had some great genetics (muscle wise). Notice how they were all small.

@chx1975 2 месяца назад

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (!) had insane upper body strength. He had an elevator fitted in the Potomac inside a fake smokestack which was just a wooden platform hanging from a rope, he rolled his wheelchair onto it and pulled himself up hand over hand. Look for the image titled "Franklin Roosevelt in a swimsuit at Warm Springs, Georgia. 1930" you can see some of it.

@HighNewzatNoon-oh2dr Месяц назад

Hahaha do you guys know what boat are? Like sailing ships with sails? Yeah these guys would climb up and down these things called ropes to fix the sails. No they didn't have internet on the ships.

@T4eF1rs7 Месяц назад

This is such an informative video. The last 10 Years I consumed a crazy amount of content regarding sports and training. Having seen nearly all of your videos this is actually the only channel the internet needs to get in the best shape of your life, have a clear understanding of nutrition and science based training advise and so on. All the best from Germany and Thanks

@issammelzi728 9 месяцев назад

Jeff really blurred out derek's face and left the sauna behind him as if we wouldn't know 😂 Edit : yes i know it's a joke

@Zfusion911 9 месяцев назад

Bro I frickin died laughing hahaha

@TheOxIshere 9 месяцев назад

@@Zfusion911 I think it was a tongue and cheek type of thing. We all know More Plates more Dates. 🙂

@abdulazizbadi2782 9 месяцев назад

It was a joke prolly

@gemininy1211 9 месяцев назад

But why is he blurred

@DWQMusic 9 месяцев назад

It was clearly a joke

@Kalebsweeten 9 месяцев назад

Steroid user here. Stay natural guys. The amount of damage this does to your body long term is astronomically higher than what most people realize. It’s expensive, it’s risky, and unless you’re competing, it’s absolutely NOT worth it. Even as a competitor there are times I regret it.

@mg-rp2qc 9 месяцев назад

I appreciate your honesty but I genuinely wonder: Why not quit? Are you making a living with this? Are you addicted? Anyway, good luck in your competitions!

@Excal123 9 месяцев назад

where can i buy them

@Rostam. 9 месяцев назад

*Not* worth it you mean I assume? Lol

@aldomaresca9994 9 месяцев назад

what about low dosage? is there an ammount you can use and avoid trouble? can you use to gain some muscle mass and workout to your desired size and then just quit roids and workout for just maintenance?

@Kalebsweeten 9 месяцев назад

@@mg-rp2qc I’ve built my entire career on competing/coaching. There are pros and cons there. Thank you for your wishes. 🙏

@bclarg3248 3 месяца назад

Hi Jeff. Thanks for a very educational video. I am returning to weight lifting after a few years off and am grateful for information like yours that helps educate me on what is realistic for natural body builder.

@nikolaijahn1873 4 месяца назад

Great work and research there: Thx for that content !

@GVS 9 месяцев назад

Appreciate the highlight! I've noticed a worrying trend of content creators downplaying what is possible naturally, glorifying anabolic usage and even shaming people for staying natural. However, for most people, given the very significant drawbacks of anabolic steroids, staying natural makes the most sense by far!

@cybervoid8442 9 месяцев назад

Also puts an end to the "it's not just steroids bro, it's mostly hard work" argument to rest since it most certainly is significantly due to steroids

@Andrew-qc8jh 9 месяцев назад

steroids don't look that aesthetic a lot of times. In real life if you saw some of these body builders they would look like freaks of nature because they are

@PaulFilmer 9 месяцев назад

Given the side effects, if you aren't competing I would think the money spent on steroids would be far better spent on therapy to understand why this is even on your mind.

@warrenchan5613 9 месяцев назад

You're the peak example of natty goals, even moreso than Jeff.

@strongwiseandfree 9 месяцев назад

There's definitely SOOO much room to grow naturally. I'm in my 40s and seeing legitimate physique gains on a regular basis. Granted, my joints aren't so happy about 1rms these days, but I could probably hit some if I ever peaked for it.

@youtubasoarus 6 месяцев назад

The only thing that surprised me was the muscle growth without working out. That's crazy.

@UniversalCompass 6 месяцев назад

Haha yep! You'll never look at steroid users who claim "steroids don't do anything if you don't put in the work" the same way🤣🤣

@Ultrabenbooyah 6 месяцев назад

It is all just water weight. They likely gained zero muscle.

@bighoss4743 6 месяцев назад

@@Ultrabenbooyah7 pounds of water weight? Lmfao get real kid.

@Ultrabenbooyah 6 месяцев назад

@@bighoss4743 do you think they gained 7 pounds of muscle without working out? That's not how testosterone works. Especially if not using any aromatase inhibitors, you'll get bloated from all the estrogen, on top of the water weight from increased glycogen storage.

@TheRooster1337 6 месяцев назад

@@Ultrabenbooyah 20 lbs water weight, sure

@jankijan8004 4 месяца назад

Thank you so so much Jeff. I have been thinking for years to go beyond my potential but have always been sceptic. I am perfectly healthy, have athletic body and somewhat good muscles. But sometimes looking at muscle mass of other dudes, you get that going at the back of your head that you want to enhance your muscles too. Now I'm not thinking of going pro, so I really don't have a reason to take roids or excess protien. I guess I just needed some good advise to stay natural. Thank you for this video, I love my health and will continue to stay natural unless I plan to go pro. Merry Christmas brother!

@AUniqueHandleName444 Месяц назад

You can always go on the juice later in life when your natural test levels decline. If you're already on the downhill slope at that point, why not make it a more enjoyable process eh?

@adderlyco2025 Месяц назад

This was very well made. Thanks. Now I can share it with my friends without parroting myself every time. The naysayers and doubters are probably taking steroids. I've gone everywhere, depending on how much I train. From lean to bulky to ripped, I have only averaged about 20 pounds of muscle, and I can't ever get past it naturally unless I start taking a bunch of supplements. Even then, it's negligible. Eventually, I just gave up and stopped doing intense training. I realized I wouldn't get any more muscular, as I had already peaked my biceps, triceps, abs, and back for my weight. The best I could do is make it look bulkier if I eat more or just keep training for strength gains, but even with strength gains, my peaked biceps and triceps remain about the same aesthetically. They get sturdier/harder. So, based on the revelations, I decided to stick with lean and ripped instead of intense training for a big and muscular aesthetic because either way, big or lean, I still average about 3 sets of 12 reps on a Seated single Dumbbell Skull Crush at 100 pounds. Max rep of 1 and one set is usually 120. That was during my peak. I stopped now I can only do about 100 for my max rep and 80-95 for my 3 sets. Always averaged around 132-160 pounds throughout the 12+ years, depending on whether I wanted to be bulked or lean. 5 foot 9. In my experience, I always doubt newbies who suddenly got all swoll or big or can suddenly outlift me within one year. I rarely use protein or supplements. I just eat, work out, and use spirulina and a nutrition liquid for extra nutrition when my foods don't meet the requirements. (pounds and feet)

@R_Aceves 9 месяцев назад

I loved the MPMD cameo here 😂 Even if you blur everything his voice is still so extremely recognizable.

@pravarp 9 месяцев назад

Even if he changed the voice, the moment he said supraphysiological, it would have revealed it

@mk250647 9 месяцев назад

Bruh not even that, saw the background and knew it was him HAHHA

@HexadecimalDump 9 месяцев назад

I feel like this is just a joke

@gustavoterzaghi2352 9 месяцев назад

his voice?? it's the sauna that gave it away

@DrowninGGaming 9 месяцев назад

Dunno what you're on about, that person was anonymous - no way we can definitively say that was Derek, or whomever else... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@JeffNippard 9 месяцев назад

Are you guys surprised by how much of a difference steroids make?

@RadianceCOD 9 месяцев назад

Ofcourse, it makes a lot of difference in heart's muscle too😂😂😂

@xcaliber998 9 месяцев назад

Jeff you claim you’re natty?

@Tsteezzz 9 месяцев назад

Not rlly

@FutureProductionz239 9 месяцев назад

No natty has 3d delts like yours. Just anther fake natty

@somebodysomebody8286 9 месяцев назад

Question: Why do we have to perform a variety of exercises? What difference does it make if we train the same muscle head using ONE exercise vs MULTIPLE exercise? You CANNOT branch muscle heads down any further For example, the rear delt, why can't I just do only face pulls? Do I have to do rear delt flies? Or the vastus lateralis. Is it necessary to do lunges AND bulgarian split squats? why not just one? If you are focusing on one head, I am pretty sure variety is redundant, since both exercises activates the exact same muscle head. I would argue focusing on one exercises maximizes progressive overload

@michaelbeholder 3 месяца назад

One of the most informative videos on this issue I’ve ever seen. Thank you!

@career_online 3 месяца назад

Excellent work Jeff !! Well done !! I can truly understand the hardwork you put up in this work!! Keep it up

@kyleengleson2554 9 месяцев назад

I went from 420 lbs to 170 in two years with intense cardio training and some weight training. Then dirty bulked to 260 when I met my wife who is a great cook then leaned back out to 190. It’s been a fun natty journey that I’m very thankful for all that I’ve done and been able to achieve. Always want to dive into the stuff to see and for kicks but now that I have a family of 5, I won’t even dare.

@rbtdainvincible5222 9 месяцев назад

how tall are you? im just curious

@kyleengleson2554 9 месяцев назад

@@rbtdainvincible5222 6’1

@adamzoubi96 9 месяцев назад

Smart man!

@side3672 9 месяцев назад

@@rbtdainvincible5222assuming 6ft+ with those numbers if he’s 190 ‘lean’

@smuller1090 9 месяцев назад

@@rbtdainvincible5222 he is probably ~5'10"

@fentontaylor9021 4 месяца назад

I trained pretty hard from age 50 to 55 and gained about 15 lbs of muscle and totally plateaued after about 5 years. Still worth it for overall health and fitness.

@MrKarlozz 4 месяца назад

The longevity benefits are invaluable!

@jeremecox1 3 месяца назад

Any TRT?

@steve-dq7hh 3 месяца назад

Did you build new muscle cell or did your muscle just get pumped up

@WarriorOfPiece 2 месяца назад

Awesome! 💪

@anshulshrivastava1518 Месяц назад

I heard that people can gain 9to11kg muscle in their first year of lifting is that false?

@earlprinsloo9632 3 месяца назад

Hey Jeff. Great video. I am 37 years old, always been skinny and I am Type 1 diabetic. It'll be interesting to include the glycemic control factor and how it plays a role in gaining muscle.

@Swegma Месяц назад

Just discovered your channel, this is amazing how you gather such good informations in a single video !!

@actionms8566 8 месяцев назад

Another pro side of staying natural: I've been going to the gym since I was 17. Now at 34, I had a really bad snowboarding accident. I couldn't train for 5 month but was positively surprised by how little muscle I lost. Three month later and I'm nearly where I was before. I have seen guys in the gym who were way bigger than I will ever be and then saw them a year later looking like they never lifted in their life.

@graphicimpulse 8 месяцев назад

you didn't have an amount of muscle to lose in the first place sorry to burst your bubble lol

@johnnymeringues987 8 месяцев назад

No pro side in terms of mass or size whatsoever...unless it comes to the size of your heart and dying at 50

@gustavalbericchidurocher9764 8 месяцев назад

Ive trained clean for an year, stopped for 5 months and it did feel, in the mirror, like I lost everything.

@brianrasmussen2956 8 месяцев назад

The longer the body spends in a certain state, it will usually try to stay there. That said, when people are recovering (and I've seen a lot) there are so many factors in play. Any type of movement, walking, swimming or even crawling will promote the body holding on to muscle mass. When bedridden 100% and if the patient is struggling to eat, we oftentimes see and accelerated muscular atrophy. Some studies show that there could be a link between how fast a patient recovers and depression. Just to mention a few factors. Have a good one 🙂

@mustang8206 8 месяцев назад

Steriods are a lot more nuanced than "stop taking and lose all muscle"

@pwenkojammy2894 9 месяцев назад

Dude this is hilarious and amazing. I JUST got into watching a bunch of Derek recently and this crossover comes right on the heels of it after years of watching Jeff. Truly perfect timing

@carterhalo255 9 месяцев назад

“Anonymous expert” 😂😂

@Yippie37 9 месяцев назад

@@carterhalo255 that had me rolling lmao

@domenicopellegrino2963 9 месяцев назад

@@carterhalo255 no idea who he is but he seems like a dude who could have some well developed delts

@user-ew1be1is5c 25 дней назад

Thanks mate. You ask and answer the questions in our mind with a thoroughness and simplicity that I’ve not seen matched elsewhere.

@PurgeGT 3 месяца назад

Such a well-reasoned presentation. Loved it, thanks!

@pathologicaldoubt 9 месяцев назад

Gotta love how Derek always insists ‘you can’t get big just using steroids, you gotta know how to train’ meanwhile the data empirically shows you don’t even need to train to get bigger than you could naturally with training.

@henkkaa88 9 месяцев назад

That's because he is on roids

@tjxwheel7812 9 месяцев назад

@@henkkaa88yes he pins test 200 mg hes open about it hé did much bigger cycles when hé was younger and steroids Dont make You dumb you know

@GlacialScion 9 месяцев назад

Over a 10 week period. You eventually plateau hard with just steroids and then lose everything when you go off them if you're not training.

@LaM0NK3Y 9 месяцев назад

Jeff was slightly misleading, it’s fat free mass not muscle. This includes water weight which steroids will actually increase a ton. It could also include organs or bones or whatever else might be affected by steroids.

@kinginthenorth1437 9 месяцев назад

Doing that kind of damage to yourself for subpar instead of optimal results is just stupid.

@ML-ek6jb 4 месяца назад

Great topic, great video, great editing; thanks for this super interesting video

@victorfp23 4 месяца назад

I've been a non-subscribed watcher for a long time, but bro is just too good at this. Good stuff Jeff.

@BaldOmniMan 9 месяцев назад

In my opinion, Using Alex and Geoffrey as examples for natural limits when they don’t promote this idea themselves is problematic. This isn’t really reflective of their results either. Alex put on half an inch on his arms and like 3 inches on his legs, after 10 years of training, and Geoffrey put on an entire inch on his arms recently. Also, Geoffrey for example at around the 2:53 mark is much leaner in the after than he is in the before, that’s not a similar level of leanness - you can see it in his face for example how much leaner he actually is at 193 than he was at 150. Meaning he’s put on a good bit more than 40 lbs Nothing but respect man, this is just my opinion!

@vanquish5023 9 месяцев назад

Whether or not they promote it or not, natural limit is a biological fact. It varies based upon the individual, but there is a limited amount of muscle a natural lifter can build based upon time, training, diet, test levels, age, etc. That limit is also lower than if someone is enhanced. I get fighting against the limiting idea that you can't build a good physique naturally but saying "there is not natty limit" is incorrect.

@AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qw 9 месяцев назад

@@vanquish5023max bench?

@The3Lego3Freak 9 месяцев назад

@@vanquish5023how can you say that? We have zero research on the 'natural limit'; we know that with proper training and recovery natural lifters can continue to gain muscle even after a decade plus of lifting. Will it be a small amount of muscle per year? Yes. Does that mean it's nothing? No. As long as you're willing to put in the effort it is possible to gain 1-3lbs of muscle each year when advanced, that adds up man. Now, you could make the argument "well, is the effort that would take actually worth it" and that's a fair statement - the answer is it depends on the person.

@LePrimo420 9 месяцев назад

⁠@@vanquish5023is there really a natural limit if we never get there. I’ve never seen anybody reach that point where they can’t make any more progress naturally. Natural limit is just an excuse people use to take drugs because they want to reach their goals quicker

@BaldOmniMan 9 месяцев назад

@@vanquish5023we know enough to know there are slower gains after a while, but forward progression will be made until you die/grow old. Steroids increase your rate of progression, simple as that, but returns similarly diminish after a while. This isn’t a “limit” though This fact is reflective in so many people’s results on this platform. As I said, Geoff and Alex look NOTABLY bigger than they did a few years ago, almost 10 years into training. Fellas can believe what they want, but I just wanted to point out that using those two as examples for the natural limit argumentation doesn’t function, because they are two direct examples of why there isn’t one. Jeff misrepresented a few things that I simply wanted to give my opinion on, there’s no beef or anything.

@Meriquium 9 месяцев назад

Dude, honestly, thank you for making this video. The gym culture needed it so badly. So many points to help people calm down and think about things rationally. Seriously, thank you. Also, the video was dope and super informative, as always! 🫡 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾

@NumberTwo-zg9bk 9 месяцев назад

You don't sound too intelligent. Stop saying honestly, for one. There is no honesty here. You want honesty then stop confiding in another drug addict.he hasn't been natural since he was 18.. stop being so easily impressed. Lower the iq the easier impressed. This is you. 🤯

@kweechy 9 месяцев назад

Haha yes, but at the same time I can't see this video and not think about how good TRT sounds now. Even just doing a 300mg dose for 20wks one time sounds like it would set people up for a lifetime of great lifting, and I can't imagine that a single 20wk TRT cycle would come with much health drawbacks longterm...seems like those things are happening to people who are massively juicing for many years. If only I knew where the hell to get any of it

@aidanarisian3375 9 месяцев назад

⁠@@kweechyhoping on TRT prematurely is a horrible idea, TRT does come with side effects, and for what? Does your body naturally produce test? If so, why ruin your natural ability to be anabolic. The answer is for ego, have you trained for years? I would bet money you’re far away from your natural potential, and the true motivation is the promise of easy gains. Believe in yourself, you have the capacity to build muscle without the injection of hormones, please don’t do it. Focus on improvising your test through behaviors if you desire more, and have the pride in yourself that even if slower than enhanced, you can build an incredible physique

@mrnickcyp123 9 месяцев назад

@@kweechy i can smell the low self esteem from here

@eliasekstrom6660 8 месяцев назад

@@aidanarisian3375 beaituful speech, man. AMEN! I would recommend @kweechy to try crack cocaine instead.

@BeastOfFreedom 3 месяца назад

Great video. Very well illustrated and explained. Thank you!

@vivapokolod Месяц назад

This is exactly what i was looking for. thanks. do you have a similar overview video about Mass gainers?

@montymatthew1784 7 месяцев назад

I started natural bodybuilding when I was 19 at 6'2" and 168lbs and after 5 grueling years I weighed 220lbs at about12% bf. I got my arms to 19 inches which they remain today at my age of 54.

@dexrexpex 7 месяцев назад

19 inch arms at 54 has to be a record of some sort.

@kelemenaron 7 месяцев назад

impressive man, keeping 19" arms at the age of 54 is insane

@WAkoPakelz 6 месяцев назад

You have my utmost respect, good sir.

@nischal711 6 месяцев назад

My dad doesn't train as much but in his prime he had a legit 18 inch arm but he still maintains 16.5inch arms as he is a builder.

@iamatlantis1 6 месяцев назад

your Mother's a 19 inch bicep.

@yo_mama_0049 9 месяцев назад

A small (pedantic) note: If you add 40 lbs while maintaining a given body fat percentage (say, 10%), then 10% of those 40 lbs are actually fat gains, and you only gained 36 lbs of muscle.

@valdemar621 9 месяцев назад

You must be fun at parties

@jamespattison2114 9 месяцев назад

@@valdemar621tbh, we are all sitting here watching 13 minutes of scientific literature for weight lifting. None of us are fun at parties lol.

@gamersocks2741 9 месяцев назад

Also a certain amount of gained lean body mass does not mean that is actually all muscle. It also could be water (relevant for the 1996 study).

@Singdisorder31 9 месяцев назад

Good note

@Anyone700 9 месяцев назад

Jeff very specifically said lean mussel gain. If there was such doubt about the method they used to come with these figures Jeff would have mentioned it

@MindMechanicsIC Месяц назад

Hi Jeff this is brilliant pal, very informative. do you have a video that touches on PCT?

@metmen1 3 месяца назад

honestly i have never followed a "fitness" channel before, really liked your videos, you dont strech a subject to far and give really good and valuable information. you got me bro

@McDagger90 6 месяцев назад

Seeing Derek show up as the "anonymous expert" is like Captain America making a cameo in one of the marvel movies haha

@Andreas_Maybach 5 месяцев назад

One of the best videos on this topic. Great work. I'm lifting naturally for 30 years, starting around 20. During my frist year without any knowledge I gained around 10 lbs (4,5 kg). The 2nd year I gained around 4-5 lbs (2 kg) and the years later maybe 2 lbs per year. I reached my best physique around 30, so approx. 10 years later. In this time range I added around 25 lbs (11 kg) of muscle. I'm 5´11 (180 cm) and my best physique was arounf 180 lbs (82 kg) at 7-8 % bodyfat. Now with 50 I still weigh around 83 to 85 kg but with a higher bodyfat of approx. 12 to 13%. I'm still very happy with my body. No issues, no pain, no injuries. Compared to the guys who started at the same time but used PEDs, I really look better at 50 and I'm healthy.

@arnoldmarcus3634 2 месяца назад

Building a great physique drug free while young serves you for life.

@Rapscallion2009 Месяц назад

Yep. But it depends what you're going for. A balanced, healthy physique or just pursuing maximum mass or maximum strength. Channing Tatum is a long way from The Rock. But both have done an admirable job of achieving their goals.

@user-yf7vv7qf7n 2 месяца назад

Great information and an awesome video. This is the first video I've seen of yours. You got me, I subbed.

@HutchmasterdayTradez Месяц назад

Good for you. Love that your an actual source.

@hbriem 9 месяцев назад

I'm a 60-year-old natural powerlifter (no TRT), training since I was 41 and I'd estimate I've added between 15-18kg of muscle, most of it in the first 5 years. I started at about 80kg, now at around 96, but a fair bit leaner and a trouser size down since then.

@JFearless 9 месяцев назад

That’s incredible man. I’ve trained haphazardly since my 20’s. Prob got around 10lbs noobie gains back then. Really messing around though. Some boxing and calisthenics. Not eating right. Not consistent at all. It did have a dramatic impact on my aesthetics…but it really just meant going from skinny to slightly less skinny. Big change but certainly didn’t look like I lifted at all. Long periods of no lifting since then. Fast forward to 40 just after my birthday. Started lifting properly. Started eating right. Been incredibly consistent. I train hard and often. I focus on the deep stretch. I consume science based content and tweak form and program often. Always curious and evolving. It hasn’t even been a year, but at 40 years old, people are finally starting to say bro you look big. You got jacked. Etc. etc. I’ve even been asked by friends if I’m natty, even by a friend who is not himself 😂 from always being skinny this is music to my ears. I was unsure what was even possible at 40…but I shouldn’t have been. It’s clearly had a massive impact on my physique. I was worried I’d run out of runway at my age, but I was wrong. Tbh I was still worried even now being not so young anymore that this might be it…but hearing what you just said, and combining that with my own experiences of the last year…I’m not so worried anymore. These weren’t noobie gains. Got those long ago. I realize now what is possible if you just do the work and do it well, in and out of the gym. plan to max out my natty FFM, even at my age, and I believe I can!!! Cheers 🤜🏼🤛🏼

@chrisweidner4768 9 месяцев назад

Yep. I’m 65 and been at 5 9’ 218 lbs. for like the last 20 years. Keep enjoying the process. 100% natural.

@mustang8206 8 месяцев назад

Actually you gained some muscle and mostly water weight

@JFearless 8 месяцев назад

@@mustang8206 Over 20 years? I’m not really understanding this comment. Water weight fluctuates constantly and if you want to get dry you can, not that I’d recommend it. You don’t really “gain” water weight over a period of time…other than the fact that muscles are mostly composed of water so in gaining muscle you are indeed adding water, but that’s still “muscle”. You can’t add muscle without it.

@hbriem 8 месяцев назад

@@JFearless I'm also around three times as strong as I was, so it's not all "water".

@RyanDMcDonnell 9 месяцев назад

Wow we'll never discover who this anonymous anabolics expert is.

@Junglist1methodz 4 месяца назад

Jeff this video was awesome. Learned more then expected. Proud to see an award winning Canadian. Especially one that really cares about health and wellness. Keep it up 💪. Link me up if your ever in Barrie Ontario, would be awesome to learn something from you in person.

@ReallyNoAlex 9 месяцев назад

Geoffrey and Alex are two of my favorite fitness channels on the platform, glad they’re getting some good attention

@angadgrewal9324 9 месяцев назад

what about natural hypertrophy?

@KurokamiNajimi 9 месяцев назад

@@angadgrewal9324⁠His last training video exposed something massive that explains some of his training philosophies. He counts failure the same way Dr Mike does. Pussy training where “technical failure” not being able to perform an exercise with perfect form is failure. Even though in reality you can do another 3-5 reps. With this in mind him saying you don’t need deloads while also claiming he doesn’t leave reps in the tank outside of strength work and training 6 days a week with high volume makes way more sense. It also makes more sense that he preaches this bullshit idea of needing strength work for hypertrophy because intensity (the strength work) and volume is driving growth

@al-dart2854 9 месяцев назад

I jumped off my chair when I saw NH,Geoff, and Alex 😂 So happy that they're featured here

@CrispyRaha 9 месяцев назад

@@KurokamiNajimiyou don't have to agree with every single thing that comes out of NH's mouth, but it cannot be denied there's hundreds of hours worth of quality content on his channel.

@mikehunt5106 9 месяцев назад

@@KurokamiNajimiI always thought it was sus that he said he didn’t need deloads

@FitLabb 9 месяцев назад

After consistently training for about 30 years, I still make small gains here and there for a variety of reasons. I’ve yet to meet anyone, client or friend, who’s reached their true natural genetic limit (including pro athletes), as it’s extremely difficult and rare to ever fully max out your potential.

@TheWillofB 9 месяцев назад

Hmm well true natural potential gonna be an asymptote. If you lived forever you’d still never reach it, you’d just get closer and closer. I think true natty potential should be looked at as something you approach instead of hit.

@rjScubaSki 9 месяцев назад

That’s why the whole “natural potential first” is such weird advice.

@EvanZamir 9 месяцев назад

It's logarithmic!

@Thomas-zt7dm 9 месяцев назад

I’d go as far to say it’s impossible and that I think it depends much more on the window you have to make potential gains.

@SUPER8ALTERN8 9 месяцев назад

Everyone has some neglected muscles too there's always adductors, calves, rear delts, hamstrings, rhomboids, lower mid traps, upper chest fibres which are neglected by so many - you might be near maxxed out on biceps but there is so much more, I'm only 3 years into lifting but didn't isolate rear delts and neglected calves at all until recently and saw such explosive growth from putting some work in on them.

@xaviermarroquin4507 4 месяца назад

Great video. Very simple and to the point..thanks

@herrlama3689 2 месяца назад

Very helpful Video! Thank you for the Information

@scottejohnson83 9 месяцев назад

I use to lift with Shaun Clarida back in the early 2000s. We both went to the same University. He's always been crazy dedicated and incredibly strong. Glad to see him succeeding, but the growth is insane IMO.

@Zacky. 9 месяцев назад

I have a friend who goes to his main gym and he says that he trains like an absolute beast! You gotta check out his workout vids cause his energy in them is contagious

@StephenHutchison 4 месяца назад

Thanks for posting this. I was 24 when I started lifting. One of the young kids in the gym was a 16 year old fireplug (5'1" 210 powerlifter with a bench of 300 pounds) on his highschool team. Hairy little redhead. Probably pure Neanderthal throwback based on modern genetic analyses. Anyway, he was eager to start taking steroids ... I and everyone else told him not to (including the two actual bodybuilders and the guy who owned the gym) ... but he was convinced he needed to do it to be competitive. Given that the assistant PE coach and the owner of the gym and a couple others were arrested for selling steroids ... yeah, that wasn't going to be going unchallenged. I didn't hear anything about him progressing in powerlifting, so I suspect that he might've been tainted by that mess.

@marcelo1810 2 месяца назад

@JeffNippard Hey man, much respect. You should consider doing a video on the risks or potential long-term effects on health using the most basic anabolics, such as TRT. I know it can increase your erythrocyte count and, therefore, increase the risk of spontaneous thrombus formation, leading to an increase in myocardial infarction and brain stroke. I also learned about premature cardiomegaly and other interesting medical topics. It would help if you collaborated with an expert or did it yourself with proper documentation. That would be a fantastic, i.e., sick video. I have been on your program power building phase 1 and now 2, for 3 years, I had 0 lifting experience, increasing my overall wight by 40 pounds. Thanks

@JO-pz6uf 9 месяцев назад

Jeff, that was one of the most interesting, well put together and informative videos I have ever come across. Well done mate, a credit to you and your team.

@benwagner742 9 месяцев назад

I think a lot of us need to question if more is really always better. Will having more muscle than Alex or Geoffrey actually make you look and feel better? I think a lot of us would say no. Stay natural.

@justinw1765 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, I think the psychologically healthy goals should be functional strength and fitness, and primarily true health. People that have an obsession with getting ever bigger and bigger and who are willing to take boat loads of gear to do so, often seem to fall into one or more categories--high insecurity, OCD, NPD, body dysmorphia, and/or their revenue flow and status/image in the world depends on their size (competitors, influencers, supplement hawkers, etc). But all in all, that whole scene seems like the very definition of a dysfunctional mess psychologically and consciousness/spiritually wise. I'm glad I never got into it. I'm sometimes half tempted to try TRT because I'm in my mid 40's now, and my motivation and energy has definitely significantly reduced (along with sex drive though I don't have ED issues at all). But even with that, not so sure I want to go that route, and if I ever did, I would want to keep my testes from shutting down completely (that is literally disturbing to me).

@musclesmurf8528 9 месяцев назад

Unfortunately sometime or goals get amplify from how ppl see us until we find a way to calm or asses down lol

@limitisillusion7 9 месяцев назад

Lol, I don't even do cut and bulk cycles cuz I think don't think they're healthy, let alone steroids.

@Loo_Kah 9 месяцев назад

It looks ugly and it's unhealty. I don't know why anyone would want that

@frog6054 9 месяцев назад

I'm 5'6 so weighing around 72-75 kg would look good on me. I'm 63 kg right now 😢

@YouCantGetBrokeByGiving 28 дней назад

Thanks for making things clear on this topic.

@JB-cg1rn 4 месяца назад

Awesome video . Thank you so much for this content

@leonlance271 9 месяцев назад

@5:56 That anonymous anabolic expert seems to be very knowledgeable on the topic. Someone should to him to create a RU-vid channel and talk more about this. Because there's definitely an audience for that type of content.

@arslans3036 9 месяцев назад

glad to see Alex, Geoffrey, and Natural hypertrophy getting some recognition

@crazyaboutgains157 9 месяцев назад

Where is NH I can't see where Jeff referenced him

@jeetkd09 9 месяцев назад

@@crazyaboutgains157 he didn’t, just a picture in the opening scenes

@crazyaboutgains157 9 месяцев назад

@@jeetkd09 got it

@arslans3036 9 месяцев назад

@@crazyaboutgains157 about 3 seconds in lol. he didn't get mentioned explicitly

@markszlazak 4 месяца назад

You gave a great table on steroid dose from TRT to competitive bodybuilding. Could you provide information on side effects for those different levels? Also, how does age affect dosage, muscle gains and side effects. I see amazing video of bodybuilders supposedly in their 70s and 80s that are very surprising. I’m in my mid 60s and thinking of adding steroids. Thanks for this great video.

@josho.9530 3 месяца назад

Most sides are blown out of proportion, especially the BP issue. If you run high dose tren or 1G+ of compounds, then you're most definitely going to run into issues. Hepatoxicity is countered by NAC+TUDCA+Milk Thistle at all levels. Aromatization is the bigger issue. How high do you convert test to estrogen? That's when gynecomastia begins, lethargy and irritability kicks in too. Despite popular belief, "roid rage" is actually an issue of high estradiol, NOT test. Example, right now I'm 244pg/ml. Taking an AI is essential for high converters like myself. Anastrozole or exemestane solve that, but adex is safer overall, despite BMD issues. If you take high dose tren, say 400mg+, then you might need caber to reduce progesterone. Age doesn't affect dosage much. Test declines at 1%/year for men, so 500mg is going to get you in tip top shape within 6 months. Notice I said tip top shape, not shredded. Still going to take a couple years for that.

@kevshow 2 месяца назад

Loved this video brotha! Great job. Points to a lot of the things I had basically reasoned too over the topic, and had some great numbers to really put it in perspective!

@FacelessOfficial1 9 месяцев назад

5:47 Jeff be smiling 'cause he already knew back then how good this joke would be after editing...

@AUniqueHandleName444 Месяц назад

Definitely lol

@wesj1064 9 месяцев назад

Well done Jeff. Wish I had seen this back in 99 before I pulled the wrong lever far too young. Need more influencers like you. Keep up the good work.

@justinw1765 9 месяцев назад

Agree--need more honest/sincere, centered, holistically logical, highly knowledgeable, walks the walk, fairly humble, and not completely/pathologically obsessed with status and/or money, folks. Folks with integrity and self-other responsibility, in other words. Seems to be in rare supply these days. Jeff Nippard for President of Body Building Community--the big P of BBC (whether that's the British news organization or the other BBC, I'll let you cast your own vote)!

@jesperburns 9 месяцев назад

@wesj1064 What are/were downsides?

@wesj1064 9 месяцев назад

@@jesperburns Gyno for one. High BP and LVH for life now. And then in response to the estrogenic sides my shoulders obliterated from crashing estrogen too low for too long on anastrozole. The gym bro and message board/forum "knowledge" back in '99 was horrendous. Had I known a mere 300mg of test for 16 wks would've gotten where I wanted to be not only could I have saved my health but money as well. Ended up realizing amazing gains on sport TRT doses a decade ago and maintain a great physique for my age (43) with no gear these days thanks to a proper PCT with HCG, fadogia agrestis and tong kat ali. Gear has it's uses and I'm convinced it can be used safely BUT like Jeff said, pull the diet and training levers for several years first and then evaluate if you really need to be THAT much bigger. Likely, you'll be happy with where you're at. And if it's for a woman or women in general, just work on being a solid man a la Jordan Peterson. The good ones would rather that than a meat head. Just my perspective. Hope it helps.

@Adam81 2 месяца назад

After watching this video it is no wonder why you have over 4M subs. Extreamly well done!!!

@davidmcdonagh5521 Месяц назад

Only found you recently and love the videos so easy to get sucked in great stuff

@WarpedPerception 7 месяцев назад

Amazing Video man That is some insanely interesting information! Your anonymous expert love him.

@Izarious 6 месяцев назад

Wtf i love your videos man i was shocked to see you here!

@WarpedPerception 6 месяцев назад

@@Izarious thanks so much... I am finally back working and hope to have more crazy vids out soon.

@johnp999 3 месяца назад

@@WarpedPerception Do a CAT drinking in slow-mo! It is really cool, and you can have them drink from a saucer, out of a dripping faucet, water vs. milk, etc.

@WarpedPerception 3 месяца назад

@@johnp999 crazy! My 8 year old nice just mentioned the exact same thing to me last week. I might have to do it

@JamesMaccarone 9 месяцев назад

Fantastic video. I'm 47 and have been training naturally since I was 18. It's amazing what your body can produce naturally if you train with proper form and intensity and have proper nutrition. It's a long road but the joy is in the grind.

@h4gg497 9 месяцев назад

That's like grinding in a shit job for 20+ years when you could have had an opportunity to get promoted in half a year. There's no joy in the grind. You know who's experiencing joy? The geared dudes in their 20s who are bult like Zeus.

@vlk092 9 месяцев назад

gotta work for the long run! shortcuts don't usually end well eheh cheers

@brettsynd 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the "joy is in the grind" statement. I'm 53 and I started my fitness/lifting journey a year and a half ago. I have been tempted to go on TRT by so many influencers and personal trainers etc. but have thus far resisted. The longer I stay off it the prouder i am of myself and my progress, and indeed, the joy is in the grind, so why do I want to attach an outside energy source to the grinder if i enjoy the grind. Getting bigger is a bonus now, not the point of the exercise. My health and mobility are the main points and those will almost certainly be compromised if I start juicing - see Ronnie.

@MR12AMAZING 2 месяца назад

@@brettsyndRonnie is an extreme example though.

@DriveForBetter 21 день назад

Excellent video! Thanks for that, Jeff!

@TiagoBecker_ 3 месяца назад

THE BEST AND MOST COMPLETE VIDEO OF THE BODYBUILDING SCENARIO I HAVE EVER WATCH!

@TheBest2guard 9 месяцев назад

This is a video that all beginner lifters should watch. There seems to be a trend of wanting fast results without understanding the fundermentals of lifting. It also happens with equipments and the using of things like lifting belts when the new lifter doesnt know how to naturally brace themselves

@light-qe3gv 9 месяцев назад

Lol this video would motivate most beginners to hop on gear

@uhoh7545 9 месяцев назад

@light-qe3gv let the zoomers snap their tendons. Learn the hard way. God knows they don't have the attention span to reach the end of the video with the downsides of juicing.

@DizzyDisco93 9 месяцев назад

Im terrified of injuring anything spine related, so i started using a belt for anything over a pair of 45s. I've only been lifting seriously and consistently for about 6 months, though. Loss a lot of body fat and gained 10 pounds.

@LucasDimoveo 9 месяцев назад

I’m happy to hear you acknowledging other natural bodybuilders on the platform!

@dkexpat2755 9 месяцев назад

You are still cheating, and destroying your body :)

@Amigps01 Месяц назад

Yeah it is wild how much a difference they make. I had no idea until very recently when I came across articles that discussed this and this video just cemented that information. It’s crazy.

@POPJack1717 Месяц назад

I'm a black 32 year old male. I started completely new at the gym 15 months ago. I'm 5'10 and started at 162 pounds at 22% body fat. After only 8 months I was at 180 pounds and dropped to 16% body fat. I gained almost all lean mass. I went from 135xbarely 1 rep on the bench to 185x3, then 225 2 months later for 1. At 15 months where I currently am, I peaked at 194 body weight (currently down to 188) and my most recent PR was 255x1 on the bench press. I quarter repped 275 on the push back up. I should PR 275 in another 4-6 weeks. I went down to 15% body fat. All natural btw. Fyi, I've been paying for a personal trainer this entire time. To those this may concern, hope this helps. Its possible guys. Just put in the work. My trianer when i first started had me doing a TON of super and drop sets and we did 15 reps of majority of exercises every set. If I gassed out before 15, we'd always dropset and do 2 extra on top of the number I had left. The only supplements I used were Whey protein, creatine (10g/day) and mass gainer.

@davidmills7046 27 дней назад

Sounds like you've got good genetics but also that you're putting in a lot of work so kudos to you sir. I'm starting at 48, had good genetics and got good noob gains. Been lifting moderately for about a year now. I'm making decent gains given my age and limited lifting. I've gained about 15lbs of muscle and shed about 15lbs of fat and am currently at 172 on a 16 week cut, doing it slowly to reduce BF. Plateauing muscle wise but not getting discouraged, I'll keep trying to get better naturally. I am going to get on something at some point but I feel like my current testosterone is still high. Not experiencing any effects that I can see for low t but it's going to hit me at some point, father time is undefeated. But I'm going to go as long as I can without and put in as much work as I can. Your words are encouraging to keep natural and work hard. This study is amazing though. I have not looked into PEDs yet as I'm good taking my time but this shit is crazy. You could potentially put on another 30-40lbs of muscle. I can see why so many people do it, albeit with possible life threatening side effects. So thank you for sharing your experience and good luck to you in the future.

@masterwmatrix 9 месяцев назад

5:50 Anonymous, good joke 🤣🤣

@CookstonFamily 9 месяцев назад

Such a great video! Besides being very well made, the information you provide here really helps me judge my own progress in muscle building. Thank you for this insight!

@bogdancalinescu4003 3 месяца назад

Subscribed,amazing video! Well done,smart guy 🙋🏻‍♂️

@nagasnow7716 2 месяца назад

Im your new subscriber buddy. I really loved this video. Thank you for making these Kind of contents.

@rooster700rr 6 месяцев назад

Love the straight forward analysis and logical approach to this video. Way too often these days, people try to just make crap up instead of actually doing research. Especially in the health and fitness realm.

@jacobdavis9345 9 месяцев назад

I’m assuming these same principles apply to strength gain, but not quite to the same extent. It would be interesting to see a similar video addressing this

@sw-gz9ps 9 месяцев назад

Its unlikely that you would truly max out your strength before getting weaker due to old age. There are so many avenues to stimulate strength gain, from novel exercises, to accessories. The way i see it you could never really run out of exercises to get stronger on, the only thing limiting you is injury, and aging.

@pablov1323 9 месяцев назад

not at all. Renaissance periodization has a video about it. There is a metastudy I think by Nuckels, that states that enhanced lifters could lift as average only 10% more than naturals same wieght class. I was surprised how small was the difference ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xjPsTB-swH4.html

@benmacdonald5625 9 месяцев назад

@@pablov1323 thanks for this. i went looking for it. summary: ~10% to 15% gain in lifts. much less of an effect on strength than on size. pretty counterintuitive to me. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xjPsTB-swH4.html

@heathercherylmason. 9 месяцев назад

@@pablov1323I was gonna say the same thing my distinguished fellow rp strength follower.

@SUPER8ALTERN8 9 месяцев назад

@@pablov1323 flawed research, tested doesnt mean natural so you cant compare records and say steroids only add 10% to the max as many tested lifters are cycling on and off between competition, its impossible to say the actual impact. The people that report natural max and max after steroids are always way more than 10%

@rmanka 4 месяца назад

Hi @JeffNippard, maybe not directly related to this video, but wondering what should happen to protein intake once you plateau. It sounds reasonable to decrease, since you're not gaining much, but how much? What are the side effect of keep it elevated as if we're still gaining?

@dreamingitself 4 месяца назад

Your form is absolutely sublime. Great to watch.

@TheOneAndOnlyDavidSmith Месяц назад

No, it's beyond sublime, it's sublemon.

@DankMemes-xq2xm Месяц назад

@@TheOneAndOnlyDavidSmith His form is Sprite

@PeteCerqua 9 месяцев назад

Possibly one of the best presentations on this subject ever. Great job Jeff!!

@RiverReeves23 9 месяцев назад

Your video really brought it home and made me feel better about myself. Thanks Jeff, you're not only smart and know what you're talking about but you're a good guy.

@fredrikvonmatern3657 2 месяца назад

The famous steroid study sure is good, but I don't think they took into account for the water ackumulation test gives to the body. Its a bit similar to starting a diet or going from a deficit to a surplus. You will see a woosh effect up when you first increase your calories and that effect is mainly water weight. Testosterone is the same thing.

@zzzzzz5936 Месяц назад

They also probably lost 90% of that muscles once they stopped taking the gear

@Jamestele1 2 месяца назад

You are very humble for such an accomplished, natural bodybuilder. The downsides of doing gear should bring you some "comfort", for lack of better word, as you probably do not have cholesterol and heart issues, yet still look amazing.

@ryanthomastew 5 месяцев назад

This is a great video and I always love your content! I'm 47 and started training harder than I ever have in my life at the literal tail end of last year. I've seen some moderate but fulfilling gains. My guns stretch my shirt, especially post workout when I am crazy pumped. However the biggest gain for me is how much BETTER I FEEL! Like I feel emotionally better more of the time than I did before. I still have some dark days/weeks but lifting has been a fucking lifesaver. Anyway Jeff keep up the great work so we can CONSUME ITS GOODNESS!

@matthiasblum6555 5 месяцев назад

Yeah, exactly, it's just lifts your mood and your day gets better! Sports, lifting weights, is just great for you. I am 49 and I started to workout again just last year, I feel so much better now. We should preach this over and over again for the young people who have problems with mental health. Sports are just the best!

@benjivilla970 3 месяца назад

yeah I’m 27, never was big into lifting weights. Did more calisthenics type exercises, not for any particular reason other than that’s all I really knew. Started lifting a couple weeks ago consistently and a lot of anxiety and depression I dealt with suddenly felt like it become damn near nothing.

@ryanthomastew 3 месяца назад

@@benjivilla970 a lot of things I’ve read and watched lately. Indicate that there are Neuro regenerative proteins, released post weightlifting that helped with brain and neurological development as well as all the beneficial hormones we get that can help us come back depression. If I remember correctly, these effects are not just during the lifting, but last over many hours, and maybe even days. I’ve also really worked hard over the past few years to get a healthy sleep schedule, but it was really the weightlifting that lifted my veil of depression. .

@keso_r 9 месяцев назад

Note for Cbums gains on gear: he indeed could gain more, but he is very close to the weight cap for his height in the Olympia. He would have to gain over an inch in height in order to be allowed to weigh more I think. He talked about it on the Modern Wisdom podcast.

@WindFrozer 9 месяцев назад

yeah. i mean theres no question he could hop on a "traditional" cycle and compete in the open division. but why would he? he has the perfect physique for classic. he could probably even up the dose and slack off a bit at the gym, but he chose to only take as much as necessary granted his training and diet is on point. really gotta respect him

@szymonkunda2197 9 месяцев назад

Don't forget that he also has autoimmune disease that prevents him from doing big cycles, he knows he's already gambling with his health but he tries to do it as as safe as possible. Tbh if it wasn't for health reasons I'm sure he would juice more and go to Open and hell, maybe he would be winning there as well seeing how great his genetics are

@legacyal3489 Месяц назад

Shaun and I went to Rider University early 2000's the guy used to wrestle in College and he always worked his behind off in the gym, I was a part of the basketball team, Shaun was always there in the gym lifting

@mattdemoraes 2 месяца назад

Really interesting and helpful to understand. Makes me feel less bad about putting on muscle slower than others might

@DUHRIZEO 9 месяцев назад

This helped give me so much perspective on what lane I wanna be in to achieve my goals. Great video!

@adriang7035 6 месяцев назад

Outstanding video. Very informative. I started lifting at 13 . Got serious in my 20s . by 27 I put on about 30lbs . 10% body fat. Unfortunately, 2 shoulder surgeries due to poor technioque was a major set back. I did a lot of heavy behind the head pulldowns and military presses. Really hard on the labrium and rotator cuff. Anyways now at 63 I've lost at least 15 lbs of that muscle I had gained when i was younger. But I'm still in pretty good shape for an old guy.

@3.14name Месяц назад

For some of us, the gym itself is therapy, I started cause I was in a rut and remember I felt good when I went to the gym in high school with my friends, I enjoy it now more than ever, and at this point the gains are just a bonus for me and I feel blessed I still enjoy the process that much.

@XTREMKD 8 месяцев назад

Hi Jeff, thank you for making this video. Very informative and I always like the way your do research on body building based on science. Two thumbs up definitely 👍 👍

@envisiotube 5 месяцев назад

This was easily the best video I watched concerning this matter. I love your scientifically, no BS approach. Your work with graphics and photo/video material is awesome. Thanks!

@ChrisUhlik 5 месяцев назад

Best comment. Exactly what I wanted to say.

@sunbreakermain4887 Месяц назад

In 2008 when I started lifting I was 5’9 135 13 years old. I’ve lifted non stop and only bulked basically and now am 5’11 300 pounds and 29 years old. I’ve been powerlifting consecutively since 2013 and I love it. I did that completely natural and eat a lot of food and protein supplements.

@gmdoni3000 Месяц назад

Oh wow.. This video is gold!. Thanks for this great research, Jeff

@willsamadi 24 дня назад

Awesome video. Full of value. Appreciate it man

@Tom-ldr8 7 месяцев назад

very good video! Like the way you explain things and that you try to be as objective as possible. Also the amount of research and how you present the information is amazing! Thanks for your effort and keep going!! 💯❤👌

@simonpalmer8784 9 месяцев назад

Great video Jeff, one of your best posts yet. Lots of great quality information there to digest! 👍💪

@kforhonor986 17 дней назад

Amazing video. I find it incredibly motivating that it is possible to put on 20 pounds of muscle mass with just consistent and hard training without the usage of anabolics. I just started working out and I do not ever plan on using anabolics as not only are they harmful, but I just simply prefer the leaner Bruce Lee kind of body rather than being large. Anyway, I enjoy your videos as they are very entertaining as well as being very informative.

@scottsertich564 4 месяца назад

This is top notch content. I feel like it deserves an award of some kind.

@AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qw 9 месяцев назад

Love seeing GVS and Alex getting shoutout here. Both are stellar resources for naturals

@The3Lego3Freak 9 месяцев назад

Agreed! And both advocate (and prove) the idea that there is no 'natural limit'

@pmgalves1977 9 месяцев назад

Yes, but they promote more on the lines of “don’t let it limit you” rather than “there is no limit” - which obviously there is

@herminio9961 9 месяцев назад

@@pmgalves1977where is the limit?

@mikolajakubiec666 9 месяцев назад

@@pmgalves1977Alex has said multiple times that there's no limit. And he's right. As far as I know Geoff's stance is that there's a limit but it's realistically not possible to reach it. He's also right.

@Pedro_Le_Chef 9 месяцев назад

@@pmgalves1977 Natural limit is a myth, GVS and Alex also state that.

@Atouk 5 месяцев назад

I started lifting when I was 14. I gained so much, so quickly. My strength skyrocketed. I'm now 61 and I sure do miss those days of youthful advantages. Now I just stay toned with lots of reps. 45 lb curls, nothing heavy.