Here's my beef with RU-vidrs that keep bitching about VRAM. You aren't the one who has to sell the product. Adding more VRAM makes a product more expensive, and it's more than just adding the cost of the extra chips. You should CERTAINLY know that space in a laptop is at a premium. Adding more chips means more real estate is needed on a PCB, more runs are needed in the PCB, more power is needed, so better power support and I'm sure I'll miss issues. The ONE thing for sure is if RU-vidrs affect purchasing of less costly laptops regardless of sales of more expensive models, these companies will stop making less expensive laptops and RU-vidrs are directly responsible then for starting to price consumers out of that lower end market. I'll take this to both AMD and Nvidia who BOTH chose to make low end GPUs for desktop with 8GB VRAM. You don't think they understand their market? You don't think they understand what the performance is of their products? They're not making a 4060 or 7600 for 4K or even 2K gaming. If a person CHOOSES to TRY to mess with settings so much that they can use a low end GPU for 2K gaming, OK???? But that's not AMD's or Nvidia's concern. Their concern is they can sell a low end product into a low end market, and just because there will be a small handful of games where you have to adjust graphics settings down to play them with a GPU with 8GB VRAM, it doesn't make the product BAD. It only means there's a handful of games where you have to adjust graphics settings. If I can buy a BRAND NEW 7600 that released at $60 USD less than a 6600 did, that's a pretty good thing IMO and with the 7600 being about 30% faster than the 6600 which is a pretty typical gen on gen uplift at the lower tier, I'm happy. With AMD in particular I know at some point that 7600 will drop in price and it will be a FANTASTIC buy at something like $230 - $240, and it only has to drop about $30 - $40 USD to be in that range. I ALSO know that AMD will improve their drivers over time and I'm going to get another 5 - 10% performance out of that product. In fact this is much better than RDNA 2 was at launch for price/perf and I don't care about how AMD puts an older gen product on sale because NO COMPANY can price a new product like a discounted old product and continue to exist, or they can never discount products because that's a slow move to a product that has such a low price the company can't make it and make money. Try following the math on that one. Start at a product that's $300 USD. Put a 25% discount on it. Make a new gen, price that new product the same as the DISCOUNTED old gen it's replacing. It's now $225 USD as a new product. When it's about to be replaced with a new gen, put it on discount for 25% off. NOW release a new gen and price it at the discounted price of the old gen. How much is it now? It's about $170 USD. Yeah I think that's about the time you go bankrupt. It only took 2, maybe 3 generations to bankrupt yourself using a 25% discount on a product that's about to be replaced with a new gen and saying the new gen should be priced like a discounted product. I like most of your content, I wish you'd stay out of the bitching game that Steve from HDWU, Steve from GN and a handful of other people get into which is often sensationalism and nothing else. It's low brow, appealing to the people who like to bitch about whatever, and it puts me off because it's SO subjective that I can't say the information has any value to it. And beating up on these companies only ensures their products will cost more over time because they'll over design them so the main RU-vid channels have nothing to BITCH about.
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
This is why I like what Framework is doing. You can go from 11th gen to 13th gen, and even reuse the 11th gen module for something else with a seperate housing they provide that connects IO to the MB. And swap GPU's well in their upcoming laptop. Way of the future!
@@amizan8653 Framework team said that the Framework 16 fans are in the detachable module. So if it gets clogged with dust, you don't have to disassemble the whole laptop. Just take out the fan module and clean it Also the detachable fan modules could make you easier to clean the dust from heatsink fins without disassembling the laptop as well
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization
4:15 With Pascal and Turing, the full-powered versions of those GPUs were very close to the desktop models, which is why Nvidia removed the M designation from the laptop GPUs. But Ampere threw that out the window, and Nvidia only required laptop OEMs to add the GPU power limit because consumers complained (and it could have been lawsuit worthy because of misleading advertising). Nvidia should still add the M designation back to laptop GPUs...
Yet still most laptop OEMs don't add TGP information... some do and do it very transparently but others couldn't be bothered to do it, the market should penalize them
@@GaroSlayer Technically, that means they are violating Nvidia's OEM requirements. If Nvidia had any integrity left, they'd put pressure on them. But we all know what it's about... $$$$$
Being able to move a PC from bedroom to family room is another major benefit of laptop. If you get a quality laptop they make almost no noise if your good at tunning. Just need to be able to set the fan RPM lower then 3000.
Steam Deck is better for that, not to mention Steam game streaming is really good and still, this setup would cost you less than most 4060 laptops and you could still afford RX 6800 or a 3060 Ti
This! I don't have to be on the move all the time to benefit from laptop gaming, sometimes I just want to change what room I'm playing in. Also, you never know when you'll be invited to a LAN party. Gotta be ready to pick up and go for that! 🤣
For Lenovo as an example, the 4070 legion pro 5 came in under 1500, but the legion pro 7i with 13900hx and 4080 is running about 2600 pre tax after coupons in the US. That’s 1200 buck difference for that jump in performance, personally I’m okay with dialing some textures down to save that kind of money.
Last Gen I was hearing go with the 3070 instead of the 3080 because there isn't much performance difference. I needed the vram and Cuda cores for video editing so I went with it anyway and now I'm glad I did.
It's still holding up very well. It is a laptop purches by my work for remote work. I was able to finish some projects that the 1080ti in my desktop at work were struggling with precisely because I was running out of vram. I was using it for editing for about 2 years because our new edit suite project kept getting delayed until this year when I built a 4090 rig. So now I don't edit on it unless I am working remotely, but it still holds up for sure. And for gaming it definitely holds up fine.
Great points. Another I'd add is that is that it depends on how often you play games on day one. Many games released across the last two years or so have been half baked in terms of optimisation eg Hogwarts Legacy and Last of Us Part 1. Many titles now benefit from patches that reduce vram use AND boost the visual quality of textures across configurations (particularly medium.and low). All that to say, best not to gauge vram being the limitation based on day 1 performance.
That latency bit it the end was gold. I'm actually considering a Rog Ally / XG Radeon setup to replace my desktop. Now I will have to do some thorough testing before making the switch. New video idea Jarrod??
Thanks for answering the questions. I know it's quite the head scratcher and a head turner and maybe irrelevant, but a good debate is always fun to listen to then simply saying it's not worth going for x because y is better.
But seriously, what other options above 8gb laptop GPUs are available to laptop users besides 4080 12gb? At least on desktop, you can grab the 6700 xt 12gb. Laptop users are screwed until AMD comes up with 12gb GPUs cheaper than 4080 laptop.
What about the 6850m xt gpu? I feel like thats an excellent option for laptop budget wise and you get 12gb vram. Paired with the 6900hx cpu its a beast for games.
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For me, the worst RTX 40 series GPU for laptops is the 4070. It's voltage limited, performs much worse than the 4080 & 4090, doesn't perform much better than the 3070 Ti, and has the same exact 8 GB of vRAM as the 4060. IMO, either go for the 4080 or save some money and go for the 4060.
Thanks for your thoughts. The price difference of 4060 to 4070 is huge. But as i observed it only gives 10 to 20 fps compare to 4060. Is the ryzen 7 7745hx 4060 a good option? thank you
@@kanbei0412 yeah it should be viable for a time. 4xxx series is just 4060 or 4080/4090. 3070 ti is really good too and goes on sale very frequently. Check the laptop deals on the description
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
After doing more research, happy to report you and HUB are perfectly right with the eGPU/TB problem, with users having really fickle experiences, so thanks for that warning
@24:46, I am personally thinking about moving away from d4skop pc's and INTO laptops.. i know its usually the other way around. I've been building pc's for a long time, currenlty have a r9 5900hx + rtx 3080 + 64gb ram desktop pc, that I rarely use. For what I find myself doing most of the time (playing dota, or wathcing youtube) docked laptop works just fine. And i have the added benefit I can pick it up and take it w/ me wherever I go. But yeah on heavy games, the desktop will perform way better.
As one who has lived and breathed gaming laptops forever. I finally built a desktop since I was the always kept laptop docked kind of person and only moved laptop around the house. Now with my desktop I have converted my laptop to a small 14 inch used Thinkpad laptop and have found that remoting into my desktop with steam link or Windows RDP to game and edit video. Now I can have the power of the desktop anywhere in the house with a laptop that can easily give 2 days of power in remote mode since it is precessing basically nothing. It's completely silent and cool. Honestly been much better for me
At this point 16GB needs to be the standard to match PS5 and Series X. I have a RTX 4070 and I can only run Ratchet and Clank at medium smoothly because of VRAM limitations. Sad
I haven't watched your video yet, so I'm sorry if you mentioned it, but I can say that the most important use of high vram is AI, especially for language models, 16gb is not enough and it's really frustrating that we are limited to 16gb on laptops.
What would be enough like 24 or 48 does it really help with performance alot my laptop is an asus rog zephyrus m15 should I upgrade memory to 24 gb or more is it worth it
As a traveling Field Engineering who enjoys gaming, i have a gaming laptop (10750h and 2070maxq), a 24 inch laptop and a mouse and keyboard, when im in my temp apartment I have my setup, and when i fly (about once a month) i can just use the laptop itself while im away from my setup.
So far I'm doing fine with a 6GB 3060 on my laptop @ 1440p. People tend to overstate VRAM needs by benchmarking at ultra and playing the absolute worst ports before they're patched.
I can't play hogwarts legacy on just High settings on my Dell rtx 3060 laptop without micro stuttering & Lagging on 1080p fullHd while I can comfortably play it on High settings on my desktop rtx3060 12gb one on 1080p full HD, same with resident evil,Last of us aswell, even also on Apex legends I can't play it in 1080p ultra settings on my rtx 3060 laptop because of its limited 6gb vram while I can play it on ultra settings comfortably on my rtx 3060 desktop, in short you are wrong ma%te,
@@tejaswin5404 has it ever occured to you that hogwarts legacy is a poorly optimized video game on PC and that 6gb of vram is completely sufficient to game with on 90% of titles at 1440p, let alone 1080p? The desktop 3060 has 12gb VRAM not because nVidia s generous, but because they made some sort of mistake - hence why the 3070 has 8gb VRAM and not 16....
@@JohnBog I also talked about 3 other games other than hogwarts legacy in my comment, why haven't you mentioned about them in your pathetic response comment? NGreedia's cu%ck🥴
Hi Jarrod I have a rtx 2060 laptop from 2019 (with 32gb hyperx kit and 3 ssd's that are the fastest in their class), and didn't have any vram problems in games with ultra settings till now. a week ago I get Hogwarts legacy just for testing my laptop. frames was OK (between 60-110) at first with ultra settings preset and dlss on quality. but when I turned on ray tracing, fps dropped to 20 frames ( RAM usage over 20gb, VRAM around 5.4gb) on 1080p TUF external monitor. I think 6 or 8gb vram shouldn't be the problem since a lot of even high end laptops are using 6-8gb graphics card (about 70% of them). I tested AAA titles with my laptop on my channel. I also bought two 3060 asus rog laptops (intel and amd) for my brother and sister, one with 1080p and one 1440p and they dont have vram problems with ultra settings even with 6gb. Game performance is based on your system specs. I mean, a game might use 5gb vram on one card and 7gb on another with same settings. if the game optimized well, it will run without problems and automatically uses necessary amount of memory. a game like Hogwarts legacy is not optimized cause when you turn down settings to medium or high (instead of ultra) it will still use above 5gb again and stutters when going from one place to another. I don't think a person who just wanna play a video game have to spend 3k or 4k for a beast to reach the game requirements, I think it should be the game, that have to optimized well for budget GPUs. why shouldn't the rtx cards be able to use the one thing that they made for, with exclusive cores for that reason? a gtx 1080 with 8gb vram and rtx 2060 with 6gb vram both can't use ray tracing in Hogwarts, one for being gtx and one for less vram. or rtx 3050 with 8gb vram can't use ray tracing either. rtx cards have extra cores for ray tracing but cant use it?! I think games should be more optimized not vram. If an average gamer wanna play these unoptimized games, he/she has no choice to either buy a high end PC or not to buy at all. the recommended requirements system for this game is 11gb gtx 1080 ti, so you have to own a 12-16gb card to just erase the vram problem, so then for 4k res and ultra ray tracing we should go for 4090 or 3090 sli just for 30-60fps. Its all about optimizations, not vram. 6-8gb vram is enough for any games at ultra settings. I also tested a lot of AAA titles with my laptop in my channel. Thank you. p.s. Your laptop reviews are the best. oh and sorry for my bad English. (from iran)
Another part on vram is the steam hardware survey (which imo is pretty representative of pc gamers) where the top 5 popular cards are the: 1650 (4gb vram) 1060 (3-6gb vram) 3060 (12gb vram) 3060m (6gb vram) 2060 (6-12gb vram) These make up around 25% of steam users with around 46.5% for top 13 (14th being the 3080 with 8-16gb) so if game devs will be targeting 16gb vram since the ps5 has 16gb total ram, they'll be leaving out millions of users and blaming it on vram when as you said, it's quite clearly optimisation issues (which we've seen for any ported game that had little effort put into it). I don think nvidia not giving much vram to their latest cards is a good move considering the price but if the games that have vram issues are ps5 ports then is this really a thing that everyone should be scared about and that 8gb vram is useless so they have to buy a 7900 xtx or 4090 to be able to play games? Also i also think 8gb vram is enough for ultra in games (unless you're using path tracing but not many cards can even run that) and spending 3-4k like you said to play these games at all is unreasonable. Maybe when direct storage is finally in games it'll solve the vram issue mostly but that's not for a few years i reckon.
ببینید چند تا نکته هست من راستش تست های شما رو دقیق ندیدم، اما معمولا روی 1080p از DLSS استفاده نمیکنن عموما اما نکته مهم اینجاست که مشکل اصلی کم بودن vram نیست، بلکه مشکل اصلی زمانی هست که مقدار vram، پرفورمنس کارت گرافیک شما رو محدود کنه! درست مثل 3070 دسکتاپ و 3070TI دسکتاپ یه مثالش رو توی همین کانال یوتیوب HUB رو ببین که میاد RTX A4000 رو با 3070 مقایسه میکنه (یک کارت ورک استیشن، با توان مصرفی کم، که زمان عرضه شدنش هم استیو بررسیش کرد و عملکرد گیمینگش در حد 3060TI بود) از نظر مشخصات فنی با 3070TI یکیه (از پردازشگر GA104 با هسته های کامل استفاده میکنه) و تنها فرقشون اینه که A4000 دارای 16gb GDDR6 هست و 3070TI که 8gb GDDR6X هست (و البته اختلاف توان مصرفی و فرکانس کلاک هسته های کودا هم که گفتم) نتیجه توی عناوین جدید AAA قابل تأمله و کاملا نشون میده که قدرت گرافیکی مثل 3070 دسکتاپ (که زمان عرضهش با 2080TI مقایسه شد و همون سطح عملکرد رو میداد با VRAM کمتر و...) به مقدار حافظه گرافیکی خودش محدود شده (چیزی که استیو توی همین ویدئو هم میگه که تقریبا در تاریخ کارت گرافیک ها بی سابقه بوده) این نکته رو ذکر میکنم که 3070 دسکتاپ از نظر قدرت عملکرد کاملا برتر از گرافیک های سری 30 لپتاپی انویدیا هست و مدلی مثل 3070TI لپتاپ، به مقدار vram خودش آنچنان محدود نشده (قدرتش تقریباً هم سطح با 3060TI دسکتاپ هست که اونم همین مقدار و نوع vram رو داره - البته جدیدا نسخه GDDR6X هم ازش عرضه شده) و خب تقریباً روی مرز هستن جفتشون و میشه قبولشون کرد، اما در مورد 3070 دسکتاپ و قوی تر نه با این تفاسیر، طبیعتا گرافیک های 3060 و 2060 که شما بررسی کردید کاملا از این موضوع دور هستن و قدرتشون محدود به مقدار حافظه گرافیکیشون نیست در خصوص 4060TI دسکتاپ هم در حال حاضر بیشتر مشکل اصلی سر قیمتش هست که به نوعی به نسبت مدل نسل قبلی خودش (از نظر اسم حداقل - یعنی 3060TI)، نه پرفورمنس قابل توجه بیشتر ارائه میکنه و نه حافظه گرافیکی بیشتری داره (که بگیم دست کم به این خاطر ارزش اون افزایش قیمت رو داره و حالا برای بعضی استفاده ها یا آینده نگری و... کارکرد داشته باشه - صرفا فقط مصرف کمتری داره و فیچر های جدید سری 40) صحبت از بهینه بودن بازی ها هم داشتید که اتفاقا نکته بسیار درستی هست، اما یه موضوع هم این وسط باعث شده که بازی های انقدر بهینه نباشن، اونم وجود سخت افزار قدرت مند هست که بهش تکیه کنن. یه زمانی مثلا 1080TI شاید واقعا بشه گفت اونقدر اختلاف عملکرد با 1060 6GB نداشت که مثلا الان 4090 با 4060TI اختلاف پیدا کرده یعنی بازی ساز میاد و بنا رو بر وجود اون گرافیک قوی تر میذاره و در این بین گرافیک های میانرده تر نابود میشن و... اما خب بازم گیم هایی هستن که بهینه تولید شده باشن با همین موتور بازی سازی های جدید، مثل همین گیم جدید EA که استیو هم بررسیش کرد داخل کانال خودشون و برای مثال توی دو مدل گرافیک 3070 دسکتاپ و RX 6800 16gb اجراشون کرد، روی گرافیک رادئون با تنظیمات مشابه، فکر کنم حدود 5gb بود یا کمتر دقیق خاطرم نیست، از vram رو برای تکسچر ها استفاده میکرد گیم، اما روی 3070 دقیقا 1gb بود و مقدار مصرف حافظه گرافیکی مدیریت شده بود و خوشبختانه نه بازی دچار وقفه و ایست میشد و فریم دراپ نداشت و نه تفاوت کیفیت بصری گیم چندان قابل تشخیص بود بنابراین واقعا با شما در این مورد هم نظر هستم که بازی ساز باید بهینه گیم تولید کنه، اما در عین حال اختلافی که بین مدل های پرچمدار با میانرده ها هم افتاده واقعا نگران کننده هست، چه بسا میدونیم که کارت های گرافیک استفاده های غیر از گیم هم دارن و برای مثال اون مورد آخری که گفتید که چرا مثلا 3050 نباید بتونه از قابلیت RT خودش توی گیم ها به نحو مطلوبی بهره ببره، حتی برای اون کارت هم قابلیت RT توی نرم افزار های رندر سه بعدی کارکرد داره و مثلا فقط سرعت رندر نهاییش کمتر میشه، نیاز به پردازش آنی رهگیری پرتو برای فریم دهی موقع مدل سازی سه بعدی خب کمتر هست اما برای خروجی نهایی میشه از هسته های RT مجزایی که داره استفاده کرد، و خب به همین ترتیب هم مواردی مثل 4090 با 24gb حافظه گرافیکی کارکرد غیر گیمینگ هم دارن (همونطور که استیو هم داخل ویدیو میگه که همین الان غیر اپتیمایز ترین بازی ها هم به بیش از 16gb vram احتیاج ندارن و اگه 4090 هم فرضا همین مقدار vram رو داشت، بازم توان عملکردش توی گیم ها محدود به حافظه گرافیکی خودش نبود - چه بسا همین الانش هم چنین استفاده ای موقع گیم زدن نداره) اما خب باز به هر دلیلی که هست این گرافیک پرچمدار با این مشخصات تولید میشه و اختلاف عملکرد و تجربه گیمینگی که ارائه میکنه با مدل های میان رده از همون نسل به شدت اختلاف دارن که متاسفانه این موضوع مطلوبی نیستش
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
I think a possible outcome of the price hikes for GPUs might be the death of PC gaming. Why should I pay exorbitant prices if I can get a console that games better in most games, given the state of PC ports? Then there is no gaming market for nVidia at all, if the rumours are true that Nintendo might go with Qualcomm for the next Switch.
18:51 IMO is only only only buy a laptop if you have a high need for mobility. I take my laptop out of my house 2x a week for 12hr periods, so for my use case needs I could justify the premium for laptop portability. PC will always offer the best value for performance.
Anyone have any thoughts about 6700M (10GB) vs a 4060(8GB)? The 6700M is a Legion 7 with an R7 6800H and the 4060 is a Helios Neo 16 with an i7 13700HX. Both with 16GB of RAM and 1TB SSD Curious if anyone has any experience with either cards or laptops, their pros and cons etc.
Snagged a lappy with 3060 6gb Jan '23 for 1450$ CDN (roughly 1075$ USD). For my use case, was a perfect value price. Play a lot of older games, don't mind dropping some settings for newer ones, haven't found any game unplayable yet. Really depends on your price points but aye, fully agree, if you're paying premium price make SURE you're getting good value VRAM for the cost. Would hate overpaying and having lacking performance (and it's so easy to get gouged on laptops). ~a random canadian subscriber
I bought last year a Dell G15 with a full powered 3060 for about 750 euros. I felt at the time that it was a too good of an offer to pass up but it's kind of a bummer now that VRAM is becoming such an issue I didn't expect to happen so quickly. Now I'm thinking of buying a used GPU with 16gb of VRAM and use it via the thunderbolt 3 connection.
@King Freak Is it just me? Or has Corporate greed gotten stronger lately? I mean, Corporate greed was always here in the very beginning right?? But for some reason, their greed is getting into dangerous lvls lately.
from 1 mistake to another, the thunderbolt 3 is gonna bottleneck that egpu so damn heavily that I'm willing to bet half of my remaining life span that it's gonna give you the same amount of fps and stuttering as that rtx 3060 mobile, if not worse, because it's gonna run out of of gpu processing power(transferred processed power from the dgpu to laptop) due to heavily choked down and BDSM-ed connection bandwidth. even thunderbolt 4 chokes the connection between the 2. Jarrod literally said it himself in the video, even assuming u did a typo and it was actually a thunderbolt 4 the result is gonna be just the same( i know there are ryzen and intel model of g15). a gpu with 16g or more is probably a high end or upper midrange at least and it needs a lot of connection bandwidth to perform the way it should without leaving any performance on the table. something thunderbolt 3-4 or usb 4 can't provide.
For that price it was a pretty good deal especially if you bought it last year! Having to lower the textures to medium is not that big of a deal at this price range. You can be happy with what you got!
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization
@@KingFreak-jd8qm I've bought recently an Asus ROG Strix G15 with rtx 3060 6gb 140w with Ryzen 7 6800h and 16 gb of ram and a FHD 1080p 300hz screen, for 1080p gaming it feels like a beast, I'm sure I can run games between high to ultra at 1080p for the next 3-4 years and DLSS has come a long way will still improve. I used to have an Asus Tuf with 1050 4gb and I played Elden Ring with steady 30fps at low/med setting and I fully enjoyed my time playing it there is this new trend that gaming on pc should be at 60fps at 1440p minimum and playing with RT at 4k is the norm this is absolutely bullshit, it's standards set by those with high end rig and think they are superior and I blame the gaming industry for feeding their egos
Remember, VRAM at this point of time is more important than frame generation. VRAM is utilized by every single game exists and will be released, frame generation is utilized by very few certain games. Why would I need more fps when I don't have textures? imo I would definitely go for 6900XT over 4070
Honestly, the prevalence of 8GB VRAM laptops is actually what's stopping me buying a laptop at the moment. I probably only buy a laptop once every 12 years or so (use a Desktop most of the time), so why would I buy one that's on the edge now? Seriously considering something with a 6800M for it's 12 GB vram and budget pricing, though might wait for new Radeon GFX to see what it's like.
Idk just buy a mid range, turn down the graphics, and accept that you might have to buy a laptop every 3-4 years. The games are usually just as fun on medium/medium low.
@@pretzelstick320 I thought about that, and as I buy a laptop so infrequently I'm used to turning settings down to their lowest settings eventually, but I feel the 3-4 year buying cycle is exactly what Nvidia wants us to do (or be up-sold beyond the price/performance sweet spot), and I hate that manipulation tbh. I did end up finding a lappy with a 12GB VRAM GFX card with $1,500 off its release MSRP, as its just becoming last gen now, and can live with that 😊
Sir pls reply🙏🏻 which should I buy hp victus Intel i5 12th gen(12450h) gtx1650 or ryzen 5 5600h rtx3050 11th gen? Basically I do office work and play games AAA games like GTA5? Which is better for long term usage more than 5 years (Intel or ryzen)?😨
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
Im starting my architecture masters soon and I need a new laptop. I’ll be using CAD, rendering software, and creative tools like Adobe products. Which Do you think is better: the Lenovo Legion 7 pro 4090 or the Dell XPS 17 4080? The Dell comes out more expensive when specced with the same I9 and 32GB of RAM. Is the Dell build quality and portability worth the up charge? Then my follow up question: if I needed to go more budget friendly and more portable, which would be a better option, the Dell XPS 15 4070 or the Lenovo Legion Slim 7 4070?
@@FLPRR. Lenovo Legion Slim 7i with maxed out ram and the i9. It’s been an amazing machine for school! I highly recommend it. My classmate got one too and she loves it. The portability is great and I haven’t run into any performance bottlenecks running CAD and creative software. It’s also nice for gaming at high settings after school.
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
One thing I learned about business is never kill your roots. If Nvidia neglects its core consumer business, it will potentially create distrust on on consumer market customers and its already happening. Though their main business now is through enterprise data centers and AI customers, they should never underestimate the power of the consumer market. I just wish there would be more competition to challenge NVidia.
I fully agree that modern games are becoming very badly optimized. I don't expect my 3060 mobile to run all modern games at max settings with 60+ fps. but atleast the games should be well optimized so that we can enjoy the games even at medium to high settings. also about the VRAM thing he mentioned...feels like the company is scamming us and forcing people to buy cards with more VRAM than 6gb for their own greed.
and that is also my opinion it is all about very bad stupid optimization cuz I dont see amassive graphics improved in visuals compares to massive need to vram
Gaming laptop owners, if you want to play modern games with the highest quality settings, buy a console! Game developers & console owners are telling you to grow up!!!
@@tringuyen7519 I have already said that I do not wish or expect that every games will run at max settings in XYZ laptop. What is needed is a decent amount of optimization. I can manage in medium settings, without using ray tracing or high graphic demanding options. just the games should atleast run well so that we can enjoy.that's my opinion.
@@sagnikpattanayak1713I absolutely agree with you. I also have RTX 3060 Mobile with i5 11400h. Bad optimization games (Eg. The Last Of Us) are never reached 60 fps even on low to medium setting. Developers should optimize their games.
@@cmh-32 high 5 friend :D at the end of the day, every gamer should get to enjoy the games that we all love. the developers and especially the companies are forgetting that day by day.
Question re laptop vs dekstop: Main difference is you can more easily transport laptops. Desktop will always have better performance with the similarly named parts. BUT, building a 4090 desktop with 4TB of SSD, buying a 4K monitor, 64Gb DDR5 ram, and a 13900K will cost as much or more than a GT77 which has it all in one. You'll get 35% better average FPS in games, some will be more. So let's look at it this way. It will still cost near as much to build a desktop 4080 which will have similar gaming performance to a good 4090 laptop. The desktop will likely be quieter but they can be horrendously noisy under load too. It will also likely make the GT77 look tiny. So that's the thing that might matter. I love having a laptop on my overbed table in my room. Then I can take 10 steps and move the laptop to my studio room when I want to make music. Even though I COULD set up one of those overbed tables with desktop stands in my room, it would be a pain to move the desktop to the studio room, there is no room to roll the table and do it that way. Also think of it this way: Just last year you could buy a 3090 ti desktop and 12900K etc and pay the same price or more than a GT77 today. Remember I am including TWO 2tb SSD and 64GB DDR5. Right now that laptop is 7.1K in Australia, and includes Win 11 Pro. 13980HX which thrashes a 12900K also. I priced desktops last year with 3080ti, 64Gb ram, 4TB SSD and they were 6 grand in Australia, without a screen or proper gaming mouse and KB combo. About 7K all up. for a 3080 ti. Custom build, top cooling, etc. The GT77 with 4090 will outperform that in CPU and be neck and neck with all gaming FPS, not to mention DLSS3. It will THRASH a 3080 from last year though. And it's portable. If it's too bulky, get the GE78HX which is just as fast in every way. Just an IPS 300 nit 1600P screen instead of 4K mini LED screen. Still 2x2TB SSD and 32GB ram standard. If you need G-Sync and can live without F key lighting or any windows hello functionality, Asus is your answer in 2023. The only time you really lose with a laptop, the way I see it, is when you want a desktop 4090, which you can't get. That's basically it. But desktop processors are hitting 100c also with good cooling, are loud, and the main advantage is the GPU in 2023. Do you really think desktop GPU are quiet under 100% load? I promise they are not. And you know what? I cap many games at 60 FPS and my laptop therefore doesn't strain either GPU or CPU and it becomes silent. My legion 7i is also very portable, which is why I will always keep it even when I get my 4090 replacement within the next couple weeks (just deciding which laptop). Facts. Do you really think you can't play ANYTHING on a laptop 4090? Especially those using 1600P screens. You won't even need DLSS in any current game at that resolution with a laptop 4090. At 4K many 2 year old games will run native 60+, and modern games ultra settings/4K/DLSS quality are possible. You can play anything and have it look gorgeous. 22000 TimeSpy on GT77 should tell you. Heck, my laptop is 10,500 time spy (legion 3070 2021) and I can play anything at high settings/60 FPS if I use DLSS quality or balanced at the lowest (1600P). You only need a desktop if you want minimum 60 FPS at every game at 4K at native. That's it. If you can live with DLSS on some games, or 1440P or 1600OP native (depending on the laptop you buy aspect ratio), you can play anything for years to come without DLSS at all. Why don't we just say it how it is. the main difference is you can get to that 99th percentile of extreme performance with a desktop. The question is, do you care. I don't. Desktops are always better for audio professionals though, due to usually having much lower DPC latency. That's a different matter entirely.......
The thing with desktops is that you’re locked to one location in you house. With a desktop if you want to game at a desk fine, but what if you want to be on the sofa alongside your partner? They also consume less power and have less footprint.
At that point just get a steam deck then its easier to hold in your hands and you can do remote play from your desktop in your house and have a lot more playing time compare to a gaming laptop
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization
37 Minutes in, and I just now realized it's not a HUB video 😂. I'm primarily a desktop gamer, but I travel across country (Owner operator of a semi), so I have a definite use case for a gaming laptop, and I can say that both are better than each other, depending on your use case. I love my really powerful gaming PC, but my G15 AE is fantastic on the road. Are you guys going to have a video on his desktop build?
I wish you posted that as a video("ask us questions, we'll answer on the stream"), as coommunity posts aren't displayed in subscriptions on PC and I always miss them.
WHat's best laptop around 2300-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization
I think ideally both laptop and desktops shall have identical GPU chips with identical VRAM configuration of each other, and there is still gap between 96MB L2 and VRAM. Thus, I believe RTX 60 shall have L3 cache on GPU, closing the gap, reduces VRAM cache load
So Nvidia is pushing DLSS 3 FG as the reason to buy saying that it will just improve game play but FG is terrible if used at low fps you basically need to be at 60fps before FG or it is terrible. And using FG increases Vram usage soo not really that great especially going forward
not sure if I should be sad or not with my purchase which I got 2022 Cyber Week laptop sale.. 2022 Asus TUF Gaming F15 FX507ZM-BS74 12th Gen intel i7 12700h CPU, 144hz display, GeForce RTX3060 6gb dedicated graphics memory, 16gb DDR5 4800 ram and 1TB NMVe SSD for $999.99 +tax.. upgraded to 32gb DDR5 and added secondary 1Tb NMVe SSD.. probably more sad on the 144hz display.. 165hz or 240hz display might have been better.
WHat's best laptop around 2300-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization
@ around 25:00 talking of PC vs Laptop, Jarrod made the point, on a laptop you cant just swap out the GPU. PCs are made of solid stuff, Laptops aren't, unless you have a Panasonic tough-book. I can build A PC with a robust PSU, along with a decent Case, over-engineered to accept a better system when I decide to swap the Motherboard-CPU- and GPU, in five years. Also, a good case is not likely to become obsolete (neither is a PSU). Build a PC to be real, and last, for several upgrades in the next decade. Get an affordable laptop to compliment it.
Just got a gaming laptop with an intel core i7-12700H and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6GB 16GB Ram 1TB SSD for £1100. Very happy with it for the things i need to do
Remember that there are plugs everywhere now for phone charging, etc. GaN chargers are the move for gaming laptops now. Not saying everyone games but you easily can much easier than in the past. Gaming on the battery is silly.
I'm kind of a brokie and it takes me a lot of money to save up for a laptop (1100$) and I'm buying the zephyrus G14 rx6700s model for it's battery life (school) and it's gaming performance but will the 8GB of vram not be enough cause I'm gonna have this laptop for years to come and I'll be game developing and making animations on it? And please if you read this don't be lazy and not answer cause your answer might help me alot ❤
I bought the g15 in mid 2021, it was my first gaming laptop. Its been serving me well, my only regret is that there was no option to have a g15 with a 3070 gpu at that time. 8gb vram in 2023 is still decent. 6gb is a bit limiting though.
I'm in the US and have been patient but I'm thinking of jumping on the Asus Scar 17 with 4090/7945HX or should I keep waiting and hope Lenovo release the 4090/7945HX here?
guys I need some help here. I've got the strix g18 laptop that has hdmi 2.1. how the heck do I hook up a second 1440p monitor that only has hdmi 2.0 and still get my 144hz?? I tried a display port 1.4 to hdmi 2.1 dongle with a 4k 120hz hdmi 2.1 cable that should be able to supply the 144hz to the monitor but it's not working.. anyone have any suggestions??
The truth, if I was building a desktop in Australia in 2023, I would go AMD. The 7900 XTX bang for buck is crazy compared to our Nvidia prices. I am not sure if it's better elsewhere around the world. Not only that, you ALWYS get better DPC latency with AMD drivers, so if you are into making music, that matters. I honestly still prefer 2560x1440P for a windows desktop PC. The reason is at 27" you can run it at 100% scale which looks flawless for text and icon size for ANY app, which gives fantastic compatibility also, the best possible (again especially for some older apps). No shitty windows high DPI scaling needed. And the XTX can play ANY game at 1440P native, maxed. So to me, that's the card to get. If you just have to have 4K, and even on a 27" it's not that big a deal, I have compared some series x and ps5 games at native 4K (for the few games that have it) and 1440P and it's not night and day on 27 inches. It's noticeable, but I thought it would be much bigger a difference. Still, a completely maxed game at 1440P looks plenty gorgeous and will always give you the frames per second performance you need. Always. And for years to come. Next, I would choose a 16 core CPU. These 24 core cpu are stupid and pointless unless you are constantly rendering TONS of high res video. For gaming or audio work? Crazy. I'd probably avoid Intel again and get a 7950X. As long as I found a motherboard with USB 4, this is what I would get in 2023: AMD 7950X, 7900XTX, 32 or 64GB ram (depending on your needs, I like 64GB), 2 x 2 TB 980 or 990 SSD, an extra SSD for storage like a 4TB 860 Evo which have good durability and perfect for example all your samples if you are a musician like me, KB and mouse combo of your choice, monitor of your choice but I would get a freesync premium pro 1440P native screen, a good 1000W psu, Win 11 Pro, and go to town. Enjoy for the next 5 years.
What about rx6800m? It's got 12 GB v ram and most certainly performs better than 4060 native. But it's 2021 release.... Will it be good enough 3 years down the line?
So if my budget is around laptops with entry level gpu, is it even worth buying one with a rtx 4050/4060? if the vram is not enough I instead go for a model with integrated gpu (ryzen 780M) and go for 32gb system memory instead? with 32gb ram it should be enough to share with gpu? looking at the lenovo slim 14" with amd ryzen r7 7840hs, 35gb ram, 1tb ssd
Why there's no reviews for the new Lenovo's release, LOQ series ? Just bought one last month, i7 13700H & 4060, 16GB DDR5, 512GB SSD for only 1200€ in my country. I think is one of the best price/performance model on the market!
The US inflation from 2018 to today has been approximately 20%. That means that the 2070 at $500 back then is the same price as a $600 4070 today. 30 series cards at msrp were perhaps better deals, but really hard to find at that price. And this is the CPI, where about 1% is taken off the index to compensate for the quality increase over time for tech products. Meaning that the _real_ inflation for a same-tier products is actually 25-27% over this period. Expecting to get the same type of product for, say $200, today as 10 years ago is just silly.
Inflation on tech is always different than other products. If you consider the cost of PC's in the 80s and 90s, and apply a convenient inflation calculator, no average income earning person would be able to afford a PC today. Also it's abundantly made clear that this mutuallly-beneficlal duopoly of NVD and AMD will never have the average mid-range consumer in mind and are now focused on the AI big bucks.
