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How Much Would it Cost to Build the Colosseum Today? 

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@stevejohnson3357
@stevejohnson3357 2 года назад
Just a thought. Lets build our replica as an artificial reef on the most desolate stretch of seafloor we can find. It would be costly but think of the confusion it would bring to future archeologists.
@ypey1
@ypey1 2 года назад
lol, dont forget to include a human extinction event to prevent the lore of the build surviving
@VideoDotGoogleDotCom
@VideoDotGoogleDotCom 2 года назад
Sounds pretty expensive, but hey, what isn't?
@paperclip9558
@paperclip9558 2 года назад
Hahaha. The most expensive trolling ever.
@playme129
@playme129 2 года назад
@ Steve. If you can think this, you have a wild imagination and far too much time on your hands.
@playme129
@playme129 2 года назад
@paperclip. Fishing. The backbone of the tourist industry. Ha , Ha. 😎
@philliphartman2381
@philliphartman2381 2 года назад
Carpenter here: I think the wide range is an accurate estimate. It will all depend on how true to the original it would be. I think if somebody wanted to build something that was the same scale as the original but that used thin slabs of finished stone to clad, ignored all modern building codes, and used sculptures that were just plaster casts of existing statues, you could do it for $150m or less. But once you start adding in things like electricity, stair height limitations, guard rails, sprinklers, alarms, elevators, ramps, automatic doors, authentic travertine, hand-crafted marble sculptures, parking spaces, sewage systems, storm drains, insurance, gold decorations, hand-chiseled signs...well...sky is the limit in terms of price.
@cartman2dk
@cartman2dk 2 года назад
just transport of the marble and travertine would be millions of dollars.
@stephenkamps8925
@stephenkamps8925 Год назад
Roman emperor here: We do not care about the safety of the plebians and the plebians do not travel in vehicles that need parking. Thus, both shall be ignored. Also no electricity; we must stay true to the era. Nevertheless, spare no expenses with the statues.
@martinnolhaf3151
@martinnolhaf3151 Год назад
​@@stephenkamps8925 based and Emperor pilled!
@DrPeculiar312
@DrPeculiar312 Год назад
Carpenter here = opinion discarded. The marble facades alone would cost over $150m
@diegonatan6301
@diegonatan6301 2 месяца назад
@@DrPeculiar312 stop talking bulshit!
@charlesclifton1006
@charlesclifton1006 2 года назад
While in Rome, back in the mid 70s, I decided to leave my hotel and "find" the Colosseum. I took the subway via the "B" line and got off at the "Colosseo" station. All of this I had to look up on recent City of Rome subway maps but what I remember as clear as the day Kennedy was assassinated was the absolutely jaw-dropping sight of the structure as it sits directly across the street from the subway station. Keep in mind that as the Colosseum exists today, much of it's outer structure (wall) is gone.... still, it is huge and (to me) beautiful. This was a fascinating video ... thank you.
@bobdinitto
@bobdinitto 2 года назад
The scope and scale of the Colosseum project is absolutely awe inspiring when you consider that it was done with manual labor and no modern machinery. That the ancients were so adept at organizing and managing such large building projects is a testament to human ingenuity, perseverance, and engineering discipline.
@jk-gb4et
@jk-gb4et 2 года назад
go write an essay for high school english class
@ReallyNoAlex
@ReallyNoAlex 2 года назад
The Ancient Greek temples such as temple of hera are even more impressive imo
@jasoncuculo7035
@jasoncuculo7035 2 года назад
85,000 Jewish slaves from the Great Jewish Revolt worked in shifts to build it!
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 2 года назад
@@ReallyNoAlex The Roman temple at Baalbec in modern Lebanon was the biggest Roman temple and bigger than any Greek temple .
@RareTS
@RareTS 2 года назад
@@ReallyNoAlex how so
@IvoryOasis
@IvoryOasis 2 года назад
It's sad organizations and education institutions didn't reply to you.... your one video exposes more people to these issues than they do in their lifetimes.
@HowardxDuck
@HowardxDuck 2 года назад
I’m not surprised at the large difference in estimated cost. I work at an architecture firm and we see massive variations in estimates and quotes all the time. You are right that we would not get an exact answer unless we actually built it. Everyone has a different way to measure the cost of a project
@penjim
@penjim 2 года назад
Indeed an engineering estimate is not the same thing as a bid..
@jhonatancock2302
@jhonatancock2302 2 года назад
I always underbid my estimations because i always take the all there no delay happy path, my oldest boss told me one time "think your number, multiply by 3, add 1M". That was a good number in reality.
@guyfawkesuThe1
@guyfawkesuThe1 2 года назад
It would cost about what an NFL stadium would cost today, so about $2 billion USD.
@tylerdurden3722
@tylerdurden3722 2 года назад
@@guyfawkesuThe1 Then how much would a colloseum with water, electricity, lights, restrooms, etc cost?
@guyfawkesuThe1
@guyfawkesuThe1 2 года назад
@@tylerdurden3722 That is what I am saying.
@danknight1979
@danknight1979 2 года назад
A question we did not ask, a question we needed the answer.
@iamgermane
@iamgermane 2 года назад
An NFL stadium today costs about $2 billion US dollars.
@spankflaps1365
@spankflaps1365 2 года назад
Speaking as an architect with 25 years experience, I’ve done loads of pricing, tenders, quantity surveying, and have visited the Colosseum. I would say in todays money it would cost $2.5 - 3 billion to build a replica. The marble supplying and finishing would be by far the most expensive element. Then you’ve got the roof canopy, hypogeum machinery, arena decking, iron clamping, plant, scaffold, shuttering, it goes on and on. The new Wembley Stadium cost $1 billion 15 years ago. It’s a similar size to the Colosseum and holds 90k people. Obviously modern steel framed buildings are much more cost effective, otherwise we would still build everything out of concrete, brick and marble.
@magnificus8581
@magnificus8581 2 года назад
I don't disagree with you, but the parameters were to build an exact replica, so no modern MEP, code, parking, etc were included. Just basically a masonry shell clad with marble.
@penjim
@penjim 2 года назад
Some good points for sure- the newest stadiums in LA and Vegas were 4 billion and 2 billion. The repop Colosseum tho contains no electrical, plumbing, HVAC, or IT. I did include a plug number in my estimate for bronze lanterns to hang in the dark spaces lol.
@toldinstone
@toldinstone 2 года назад
That estimate is certainly possible. A modernized Colosseum would be a very expensive proposition...
@tomcollins5112
@tomcollins5112 2 года назад
It would be expensive, but you can't beat the thousand year life expectancy for a stadium.
@umadbra
@umadbra 2 года назад
Much much more... Big dig under Boston cost over 14 billion... Your estimate is way way under.
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima 2 года назад
It is quite curious how the founding of the Colosseum was the only remarkable thing Titus did as Emperor, as the only other things he could do during his reign was trying to repair the massive damage from the eruption of Vesuvius and the Second Great Fire of Rome. Then, he just miserably died of fever shortly after the foundation of the Colosseum, making his disturbed brother Domitian (who also modified it by adding the hypogeum) the first Emperor to actually enjoy the gigantic amphiteatre
@alimanski7941
@alimanski7941 2 года назад
It all depends on perspective, of course. Titus was one of the most significant adversaries in Jewish history, having destroyed and looted Jerusalem and the Second Temple, while fighting the Jewish rebellion in Judea. Though, that all happened before he became Caesar.
@sdsd2e2321
@sdsd2e2321 2 года назад
@@alimanski7941 based
@DaDaDo661
@DaDaDo661 2 года назад
@@sdsd2e2321 Cyrus - 9mm, safety...always off. My old man gave it to me
@blakelowrey9620
@blakelowrey9620 2 года назад
@@DaDaDo661 safety always off
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima 2 года назад
@@alimanski7941 Unfortunely, people usually remember only what an Emperor did during his reign, not what he achieved before reaching that position
@N3onDr1v3
@N3onDr1v3 2 года назад
I just want to say how amazing the line " the turrets and battlements of a castle in the air" is.
@toldinstone
@toldinstone 2 года назад
I do what I can...
@SobekLOTFC
@SobekLOTFC 2 года назад
You know, Lego have pirate and medieval themes- I think they're leaving money on the table not having an antiquity/Roman theme. Great job as always Garrett!
@fintan9218
@fintan9218 2 года назад
Theres a lego colosseum, one of the most expensive sets
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 года назад
There’s like a $5-600 Colosseum set available. He features it on the first 15 seconds of the video 😁
@BellSystem1
@BellSystem1 2 года назад
@@fintan9218 WHERE
@SobekLOTFC
@SobekLOTFC 2 года назад
@@sergpie yes, but who can justify spending $600 on an architect set? I was more talking about the pirate and medieval sets Lego had back in the day that went with the space themes.
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 года назад
@@SobekLOTFC A Lego-aficionado 😝 I’ve heard of collectors spending twice as much on stuff like that; if it’s for sale, there’s a client for it, somewhere haha
@aaronandcaitlinnelson5617
@aaronandcaitlinnelson5617 2 года назад
The lego colosseum was a hilarious touch. Thanks to those who volunteered to help make the video, it was great!
@BarfyMan-sh3zf
@BarfyMan-sh3zf 2 года назад
I absolutely love this! The transportation of travertine blocks was mindblowing. It must have been a sight to behold seeing thousands of massive blocks being transported. When it was finished it probably felt like the Gods would be in attendance themselves. Could you imagine all that white marble shining in the sun and all those thousands of people filling the stands? Eventhough we live in the best (most comfortable) time in history, I often wish to have been born in a time like this. When I see these things I can certainly understand how people believed in miracles and godly emperors. How else can you build something so magnificent by hand without the blessing and favor of the Gods? Thank you again, you are my favorite youtuber by a mile!
@datadavis
@datadavis 2 года назад
Pretty overwhelming odds that you are going to live out your days in a mudhut somewhere nowhere near the glory of rome. With my luck i would probably be born in siberia
@BarfyMan-sh3zf
@BarfyMan-sh3zf 2 года назад
@@datadavis hahahahahaha thats true, the odds of a happy life are pretty much 0. Chances are that you die of an illness long before you reach adulthood. We are lucky to be living in such easy times!
@scholaroftheworldalternatehist
@scholaroftheworldalternatehist 2 года назад
Sure bud...very high chance you die in infant age due to some preventable disease we have vaccine for, or die due to dirty drinking water/injury, then live a life worse than the poorest people of Africa.
@Tokru86
@Tokru86 2 года назад
Don't put so much emphasis on the sight of some blocks beeing transported. For the people of Rome this was daily business because the whole ancient city centre was build in this way. There was constant construction going on and while the number of blocks required for the Colosseum is remarkable the size of them is not. Marble columns (in on piece) erected for a new temple, giant sculptures moved to the numerous fora/pedestals, the occasional egyptian obelisk, all of that would have attracted a far bigger croud of onlookers than some generic blocks moving through the city in a steady stream over a few years.
@Apokalypse456
@Apokalypse456 2 года назад
@@Tokru86 its estimated that around 20% of all people alive lived in the roman empire in the second century AD
@Aaron-ed5xs
@Aaron-ed5xs Год назад
They built a modern sized stadium with no electricity, no power, and it effectively had running water. What a catastrophically impressive achievement. I wish to see it someday
@christosvoskresye
@christosvoskresye 2 года назад
It is entirely possible that many of the recipients of your emails thought you were a student looking for someone to do his homework. I remember a similar assignment involving estimating the budget for moving the pyramids from a project management course.
@rolandnelson6722
@rolandnelson6722 22 дня назад
Even if toldinstone was a student it would be nice if he got a response.
@christosvoskresye
@christosvoskresye 22 дня назад
@@rolandnelson6722 Maybe, but the point of homework is for the student to actually do the work.
@PathHits
@PathHits 2 года назад
Can I just say real quickly I’m glad this video is blowing up because toldinstone fucking deserves it!
@SnaketheJake87
@SnaketheJake87 2 года назад
I’m an engineering student currently. Despite the fact that this was another amazing video from you, it was really cool and enlightening seeing people (engineers) with experience doing basic cost analysis. Something I’ve struggled in my courses so far. Thanks for that.
@_lithp
@_lithp Год назад
The fact that it cost the same as a modern stadium just blows my mind. I can't believe wealth of this magnitude was even possible back then.
@penjim
@penjim 2 года назад
Thanks for the chance to help with this Garrett! I’m sure all three of us that contributed had a lot of fun! Now we just need a gofundme for the project!😂 Jim Williams
@toldinstone
@toldinstone 2 года назад
Thanks again for your help! I'm hoping than an eccentric billionaire will step in...
@Perririri
@Perririri 2 года назад
Gofundme is generally a woke subsidisation scheme
@justinfleagle
@justinfleagle 4 месяца назад
As an engineer myself, you always 3x every estimate to your project manager. With that in mind, 3 - 5 billion is a safe estimate.
@magnificus8581
@magnificus8581 2 года назад
Great video! So curious to see the different estimates! Like I said, always get 3 estimates! Really appreciate your hard work!
@ferdi6594
@ferdi6594 2 года назад
Your estimate makes more sense to me. Even if labour cost increased, modern machinery should have a huge impact on the amount of labour required to both source and transport the materials.
@toldinstone
@toldinstone 2 года назад
Thanks again for your help!
@elchaposexcitingadventures1674
@elchaposexcitingadventures1674 2 года назад
Tell us your cost overruns please.
@IceniTotalWar
@IceniTotalWar 2 года назад
Thank you for helping out the channel, hope you found it interesting 👍👍
@cracknigr6065
@cracknigr6065 2 года назад
Great contribution to this video mate! Sometimes I really like modern humans. :)
@giuliolupo
@giuliolupo 2 года назад
In reality it would be enough to restore it, recovering the missing parts elsewhere. . In Italy there is an amphitheater, very large and built by the same architects of the Colosseum, which has the lower half practically new and above all preserves almost all the columns and the relative capitals that adorned the last ring, the women's gallery (Matroneo). It is the Flavian Amphitheater of Pozzuoli.
@pikXpixelart
@pikXpixelart 2 года назад
This truly is an interesting video! Both chapters could be A+ videos on their own (original labor, modern labor) but having both in one really makes this a groundbreaking video. Even if these are just rough estimates, I think it's a really interesting take on it.
@justinian-the-great
@justinian-the-great 2 года назад
It should be noted that to even get to building the actual Colosseum, a lot and I mean A LOT of pre-building job had to be done. First of all they had to clear the area for building. The area where Colosseum was to be built was actually already occupied by Nero's gigantic Domus Aurea (Golden House). So that monstrosity of a complex that spanned over multiple hills of Rome had to be demolished. Just the cost of demolishing it and then clearing the ruble must've been in millions of sesterces. Worse than that, the exact site where Colosseum was to be built is where Nero built a large indoor lake, which would have to be drained, which would probably be one of the hardest task in overall construction of the arena. Add in multiple smaller work that had to be done, like for example leveling the ground around Colosseum, and just the costs of pre-building would be enormous. Thus it's even harder to accurately measure the then building cost of the Colosseum.
@petlahk4119
@petlahk4119 2 года назад
I don't know really anything about Nero, but it sounds a bit like they may have destroyed his house and built a colosseum instead almost as a public works project? Like demolishing the mansions of the super rich because they're stupid assholes and building a park there instead lmfao.
@ionpopescu3167
@ionpopescu3167 2 года назад
This shows how capable people were even then. We are not really that much different huh
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis 2 года назад
A lot of demolition work would have been involved, but they've actually found Nero's foundations under part or all of the Coliseum, and they might well have _used_ the infrastructure of the lake, since they actually had simulated sea battles inside the Coliseum early in it's history.
@nathancollins1715
@nathancollins1715 2 года назад
@@petlahk4119 Oh, it wasn't just because he was rich. The rich were the ones who ordered the construction in the first place, and they DESPISED Nero. They hated him so much that to this day we aren't really sure which stories about him are true and which are outright fabrications, because the Senate and later Emperors' propaganda campaigns demonizing him were so effective that within a few generations everyone in the Empire was convinced that he was like Satan incarnate. Personally, I think that Nero was a mostly well-meaning, if short-sighted and and incompetent Emperor. He was at an obvious disadvantage because he was so young, and his overbearing mother basically made all his decisions for him in the early years of his reign. But he had a bit of a god complex (even greater than the healthy amount of god complex most Emperors had) and made impulsive decisions like abolishing all taxes everywhere, and of course beginning construction on a mile-long mansion in the heart of the city. He was the product of several generations of Julio-Claudians being totally removed from the everyday life of the citizens of Rome, and the Senate in particular saw him as a symbol of all the decadence and depravity of the Imperial experiment coming to a head. So, yeah. When Nero was assassinated and the Flavians took over, their first priority was damning the name of Nero (both because they actually hated him and as a political maneuver to concrete their own imperium) and wrecking all his stuff, which included the Golden House. Vespasian certainly wanted to create the image of a "populist reform" in planting a new stadium right where the Golden House used to be, but that doesn't mean he really held populist intentions. Like everything Emperors did, it was all about the positive PR.
@Tokru86
@Tokru86 2 года назад
There would be nearly no demolition required. You said it yourself: The Colosseum was built at the site of the artificial lake specificially because the site was already cleared (for the lake obviously). The actual buildings of the Domus Aurea are still there underground in the area surrounding the Colosseum. The lake beeing artificial would have made draining it also very easy because they just had to cut off the supply of water and the lake would have drained itself trough the already present outflow very quickly.
@T4NK09
@T4NK09 2 года назад
Love your rebranding, the music you use at the end of your recent videos, and all your recent content! Keep it up Dr. Garrett!
@ToastyChud
@ToastyChud 2 года назад
Yeah this guys videos are good.
@Arakox
@Arakox 2 месяца назад
$1 billion 13:45
@hughjanus7131
@hughjanus7131 Месяц назад
Thanks bro
@casualyoutubeviewer9198
@casualyoutubeviewer9198 20 часов назад
Mr. Did not watch the video. Theres multiple answers because we cannot translate Roman currency to USD.
@kray3883
@kray3883 2 года назад
I think you vastly underestimated the cost of hiring contractors... I'm a federal contractor (not in construction) and normally our billing rate is approximately 3x our actual pay.
@Nick-zw1zw
@Nick-zw1zw 4 месяца назад
Yes I'm a contractor in Canada abd we charge about 2.2-2.8x the actual pay of the workers involved.
@KevinBReynolds
@KevinBReynolds 2 года назад
Another fascinating video from Told In Stone. Thank you. As a manufacturing estimator for a good number of years, I can pretty much guarantee that you should double whatever estimates you have come up with. You can't just say "Okay, the stones costs this much, labor this much, engineering and architects this much, and put it together and have a good cost estimate. It just doesn't work that way. It may look good on paper but in reality things tend to happen rather differently. Somebody made a mistake, the numbers don't match, you better double check this and sooner rather than later, etc. Just go ahead and double whatever you've got.
@davepowell1661
@davepowell1661 2 года назад
Call it 'Trump Colosseum' and the contractors costs drop
@spankflaps1365
@spankflaps1365 2 года назад
I got a price from an Italian sculptor (10 years ago) for a white marble statue twice the size of those that were in the Colosseum, but it was a very simple/contemporary design - it was $750k. Also note that the marble blocks for the Parthenon restoration cost $1.5 million each, for a lump the size of a small car. That’s why the Parthenon replica in Tennessee is built from limestone.
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 года назад
Depending on the stone used; the Parthenon employs extremely expensive material like porphyry (nowadays sold as a semiprecious stone), travertine, and marbles from Latin and Campanian quarries that have since been exhausted or close to it. There are also green and blue marbles that are believed to have originated in Africa, whose sources have yet to be rediscovered.
@penjim
@penjim 2 года назад
That’s why 2 of us proposed using 3D CNC machines to carve the sculptures. You’d make a 3D scan and convert it to g-code for the machine. There’s a vid on RU-vid showing it carving an Asian lion.
@cashewnuttel9054
@cashewnuttel9054 2 года назад
I don't have time to watch this 15 minute video, so could you please just tell me how much in the reply?
@thr3ddy
@thr3ddy 2 года назад
@@cashewnuttel9054 it's complicated.
@missingremote4388
@missingremote4388 2 года назад
Answ: 2.000.000.000 American dollars
@adrianghandtchi1562
@adrianghandtchi1562 2 года назад
Thank you Magnificus, Jim, and Tim for all they are fabulous estimates and hard work.
@robpolaris7272
@robpolaris7272 2 года назад
The ease that clearing an area with explosives and a bulldozer today is astounding. Needing hundreds of workers, working years what can be done by 2 people in a couple of weeks Is just amazing!
@augustgreig9420
@augustgreig9420 2 года назад
I don't know if you've ever worked in construction, especially with concrete, brick and stone, whatever estimate you come to will never be accurate. Especially on a project this big, projects *ALWAYS* go over budget and almost always over time. That's just how it is. Same people think all contractors are crooks because if this, but in reality, there are always unforseen obstacles and set backs in a project, and the bigger the project, the greater the set backs. Anything from weather, injuries, stolen tools and materials, discovering the ground becomes far more difficult to dig six feet down,broken tools from the very small to very large. Just too many variables, and people tend to estimate optimistically because if the don't, some other company will come in and undercut any realistic bids.
@cracknigr6065
@cracknigr6065 2 года назад
And the developers never looking for realistic bids but just CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, until the next project ends up as a fucking ruin that soils the landscape. Grrrr. Just thinking about my time in the business already makes me so freaking angry again.
@badcornflakes6374
@badcornflakes6374 2 года назад
"Ballpark estimates"
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter Год назад
​@@badcornflakes6374 Scrumptious Darron
@manishjugran5021
@manishjugran5021 2 года назад
seeing this effort for research is amazing
@dosgos
@dosgos 2 года назад
Special thanks to Magnificus, Tim Wilkinson, and Jim Williams for those detailed estimates. I suppose one could estimate the land cost in that area of Rome although the value of such a large prime space would likely be well above the cost of small plots. Modern costs from building the Gaudi Cathedral in Barcelona and the Cathedral in NYC on 112th street could be helpful to triangulate estimates.
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 года назад
Nowadays, (central) Rome has some ridiculous real estate prices for plots/blocks. A building that used to be a ministry office, that’s about 55000 sqft, sold for €104,000,000. There’s a historic apartment building whose mere first floor, courtyard, and adjacent small office buildings are going for about €65,000,000. Rome isn’t cheap in the central portion of the city. Land there has been claimed and built upon for so long that parcels or buildings for sale are sold at an extreme premium.
@magnificus8581
@magnificus8581 2 года назад
Thanks, it was a fun exercise and appreciate being included!
@penjim
@penjim 2 года назад
Ha- thank you! It was fun to do for sure- Jim Williams
@lycaonpictus9662
@lycaonpictus9662 2 года назад
I imagine another aspect that would make it difficult to make a 1:1 comparison between ancient Rome and a modern building project, is that the Romans might have used slaves for some of the unskilled labor that was involved.
@barath4545
@barath4545 2 года назад
You should ignore the land costs. The land was just taken or owned originally, so the replica argument should just be based on a field in random Italy or so.
@AaronHahnStudios
@AaronHahnStudios 2 года назад
A lot of research and time went into this... well done, toldinstone. Excellent work.
@theLetterDoubleYou
@theLetterDoubleYou 2 года назад
Good stuff, especially the honesty about currency conversion over time. I've been seeing a lot of bad economic history on RU-vid lately on the subject. Thanks again!
@ReubenClough
@ReubenClough Месяц назад
“god” bless this man for his extreme nerdiness…..it means that we get facts and very educated guesses instead of sensational nonsese….I Love it!
@carleslazaro6117
@carleslazaro6117 2 года назад
Excellent video, as always, I only miss the cost of the project of the engineering team. I guess it must have been a tiny part of the total cost, but today it would certainly inflate the budget a lot. Commenting on the video with an architect friend while we have a few beers, he tells me that he would charge 10% of the total project. He has no idea of ​​the rates of 1st century Roman engineers or architects. But if you’re really interested in building a replica of the Colosseum, Dr. Ryan, I can invite him over for a couple more beers and I’m sure we can get to 5 or 6% of the total. I really love this kind of videos, thanks you and cheers!
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 2 года назад
Biggest Part of 1st century Salary would probably be being left alive ;)
@magnificus8581
@magnificus8581 2 года назад
The direction for calculating budget was to leave off soft costs such as permits and design. If that had been included, roughly 10% of the budget for the design team, perhaps a little less due to the simplicity of the design (geometric and repetitive)
@ososkid
@ososkid 3 месяца назад
As a construction project manager, who works on homes and not large scale projects, I think your first guy, Magnificus, who accounted for a lack of modern amenities bringing costs down, was on to something. At the other end of the spectrum was Jim Williams who put a lot of thought into his proposal, but what he gave you was the budget he was going to open negotiations with, fully knowing he’s not getting that budget
@michaelv6290
@michaelv6290 2 года назад
Just wonderful how when you make videos with a specific narrative like this, it reveals so much about Roman history and life. Awesome video.
@clanpsi
@clanpsi 2 года назад
Fun fact: Cutting into bedrock on the north side saved the Colosseum, and a lack of bedrock on the south side is why that side of the outer wall is gone.
@jeremiahcutright81
@jeremiahcutright81 2 года назад
Garrett, I read your book Naked Statues, Fat Gladiators and War Elephants last week. literally insanely well written and your story telling skills are so impressive. Sometimes reading non fiction can feel like a chore but I was not bored or uninterested at any point while reading it. Keep up the great work and thanks for everything you're doing here! Also if you see this comment, I'm curious if you've read "The Immortality Key" or are familiar with Brian Muraresku's work and what you think about all of that.
@toldinstone
@toldinstone 2 года назад
I'm very glad you enjoyed my book! I haven't read "The Immortality Key" - yet. To be honest, I'm deeply suspicious of the central thesis, but I'd have to read it to give you a genuine assessment.
@xraceboyex
@xraceboyex 2 года назад
Beautiful video, this will be the first time in a while that I've subscribed to a channel on the first video I saw. Kudos
@ryz8
@ryz8 2 года назад
this is a question that i've asked myself nearly every day. thanks for the video sir.
@andrasfogarasi5014
@andrasfogarasi5014 2 года назад
Improper surveying of the area would necessitate that the foundations be relaid 4 months after the beginning of construction. A quarter of the material would turn out to be substandard after delivery. Government regulation would change 1 year in, resulting in the plans needing to change once again. The workers would regularly steal gasoline from the vehicles. Equipment would become damaged after a freak storm. Several work safety violations would lead to a string lawsuits. The investors would hurry the construction along the entire way, resulting in a variety of planning errors. The architect would have a nervous breakdown and quit. No matter how much money you give it, the project would end up 7 years behind schedule and 11 times over-budget before being cancelled.
@alecsteven6
@alecsteven6 2 года назад
I thought this video was one of your best and most captivating videos to date. I've really been loving your content lately. Thank you and keep up the good work!
@Gainn
@Gainn 2 года назад
A look at how much the Luxor Las Vegas project was estimated at, how much it cost, and then the extra cost of refining it gives a good idea of how much use estimates are on large-scale projects. A client of ours (we do acoustic engineering and wiring for studios/theatres) had a ~1/10th scale 'Great Pyramid' built as his recording studio and office - steel frame skinned with limestone, granite and various other materials including a (stunning looking) solid naval brass pyramideon. It ended up costing almost double the quoted price (before we even got started), and that's using modern techniques.
@Dead_Goat
@Dead_Goat 2 года назад
Paris Las Vegas a structure 4 times larger in sqft than the coliseum not even mentioning height cost $760 million. The collesium would cost much much less, closer to the 150 million quote.
@Nikotheleepic
@Nikotheleepic 4 месяца назад
@@Dead_Goat says someone with no concept of materials, methods, and modularity, oh yeah also hand scuplted artisanal statues, an entire facade of marble, an entire cloth covering of the stadium, and countless other reasons why you are wrong.
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 2 года назад
A recent project on a similar scale was the replica of St Peter's Cathedral in Rome built by the late dictator of the Ivory Coast in his home town. I believe they used modern materials and machinery and did not take a century to finish it. Do we know anything about the cost and where he got the skilled artisans?
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto 2 года назад
Basilica. St. Peter's Basilica. It's not a cathedral. The Basilica of Our Lady of Peace in Ivory Coast is not as large as the one in Vatican City, and it's nowhere near as elaborate. Just look at them in a pair of pictures side-by-side and you'll see they aren't even that close.
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 2 года назад
@@Nonamearisto According to Wikipedia, the basilica in Yamoussoukro is the largest church in the world. The dome is twice the diameter of St Peter's, but it is not as high since the base is lower.
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto 2 года назад
@@faithlesshound5621 Wikipedia lists St. Peter's as larger. Look up the list of largest church buildings there.
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 2 года назад
@@Nonamearisto I suppose it depends on which WP page you look at. Unfortunately, many people enjoy poisoning the wells there, so it's never certain what is true or just made up for amusement.
@VINTERIUM..EXPLORIUM.1
@VINTERIUM..EXPLORIUM.1 Месяц назад
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@alexgratzaTV
@alexgratzaTV 9 месяцев назад
As an architect I have to say that the estimate by Jim Williams seems very reasonable , good job
@ShieldAre
@ShieldAre 2 года назад
This is an interesting back-of-the-envelope estimate, or a Fermi estimate. It might even be surprisingly accurate, because often when people make assumptions, they will overestimate one thing, and underestimate another, and in a happy coincidence these mistakes will often cancel each other out. If the assumptions are anywhere near to being correct, the real cost for building a replica of the Colosseum is almost certainly somewhere within an order of magnitude of one billion dollars. Perhaps something between 3 billion and 300 million, for example. That is a wide range, but still very useful in giving us some idea of the scale of the project. It tells us whether building a Colosseum-replica would be an astounding mega-project that only a major country could be able to do, or whether it is something that your average billionaire could build as some sort of personal project, or whether even some relatively wealthy multi-millionaire could afford it on a whim. A price tag of 3 billion max would mean that a major country could easily afford to build one just as easily as any other large stadium, that there are indeed a fair number of multi-billionaires who could probably afford to single-handedly finance the cost of building one, but that it would probably be out of the price range of even a hundred-millionaire.
@Dannykhc
@Dannykhc 2 года назад
Very interesting topic to ponder over. Speaking as a former quantity surveyor on the contractor side, perhaps a more reliable estimate would have been possible if there were a good set of general building plans along with the structural drawings to enable quantities to be "taken off" (using UK quantity surveying jargon) by a QS. That would allow a common basis for estimates of the total contract sum by contractors and consultants and subsequent tender comparison. If contractors are perhaps worried about any errors in quantities, perhaps the contract could be done on a remeasurement basis that would better allay their fears. From my experience, most of the delays and therefore additional cost in a project arise from construction work to do with the ground such poor ground conditions, underground obstructions, hard material, unforeseen utilities, water seepage into the excavation, etc, Once the substructure is completed, unless there are labour shortages and materials shortages, there is really nothing that will further obstruct a main contractor on the superstructure apart from incompetence in project management and foot dragging by the client over variations. Further cost and time savings could be had by using Building Information Modelling BIM for planning of the construction process and greater use of precast concrete elements made off-site. Talking about the substructure, if the Colosseum is built today using modern techniques, it would be reasonable to assume that it would use diaphragm walls for support for the substructure. That would be a site to behold, a massive excavation held up by diaphragm walls along with a great quantity of temporary works. Great video.
@cnc-beginner
@cnc-beginner 4 месяца назад
Mathematician here, with no idea of Engineering. But: from Germany, all big projects (Berlin airport, Stuttgart metro revamp, etc) cost at the end 5 to 10 times more than initial estimations, estimations which were done by professionals by the way. Infact, comparing with NotreDame , France, where the roof and some parts have to be rebuilt, it will cost all in all about less than 1billion Euros. Comparing with the size of the Colosseum, I would pretend, the Colosseum would cost 5 billions. So I believe you ve got from far the best estimation. On the other side, Magnificus with all his knowledge - that I do not have - gives us quite a ridiculous estimation, but thank you in all cases Magnificus! As always, love your channel PS: would like to see Magnificus use his methodolody to estimate the cost of NotreDame roof rebuilt. Then we would be able to compare with the real costs. My guess: Magnificus would estimate the cost at 30 millions ( its full Colosseum costs 150.000.000), considering the respective sizes. But the real cost is about 1billion, so a factor 30. Applying this factor gives us for the Colosseum: 4.5 Billions!
@scottishbarnss
@scottishbarnss 2 года назад
Could you do a similar video on the cost of Hagia Sophia and if that cost the eastern Romans the chance to re-conquer the Italian peninsula from the barbarians?
@aka99
@aka99 2 года назад
Good Point! I Would like to Know that too
@98407re
@98407re 2 года назад
Fascinating video! Thanks for sharing this analysis with us :)
@samaraortega21
@samaraortega21 2 года назад
I always look forward to your videos, I love your book 📕 perfect reading
@Aninkovsky
@Aninkovsky 2 года назад
With Caesar III or Pharaoh game simulation, we can guess that building an outstanding monument is something, not an issue of just constructing it. The stressful phase is opening a new query, enlarging an old one, transporting materials, etc which can be very problematic and added cost astronomically.
@automaticmattywhack1470
@automaticmattywhack1470 2 года назад
I'm going to go with Magnificus. No modern amenities like wiring, lighting, air conditioning ducts, etc. Plus no modern safety equipment like fire suppression, fire escapes, etc.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
Lots of ductwork for water chilling and perfume though. Lots of hand cranked ventilation fans above the seating aeea.
@yb6715
@yb6715 2 года назад
One of the best videos that I listened in RU-vid.
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 2 года назад
Do we also have estimates of: Imperial yearly revenues, and total GDP for the reign of Titus? Would be interesting to compare the cost of the Colosseum to these, to see how much of a strain it was on the state/the country.
@toldinstone
@toldinstone 2 года назад
Stay tuned...I have a video on the GDP of the Roman Empire planned for the relatively near future.
@leolego2
@leolego2 2 года назад
In those years and even partly now spending money on public infrastructure meant that the economy would go around more and benefit the workers. Much better to waste money that way than to invest it in a war where money did not come back if you lost
@robertyoung4275
@robertyoung4275 2 года назад
Travertine is a form of limestone, so it's pretty soft, geologically speaking. But when it comes out of the ground, it's really soft, so it's really easy to cut and work while it's fresh, which is one of the reasons the Romans preferred it as a facing material.
@nicksacco5041
@nicksacco5041 2 года назад
Good to know; I was considering building one around my house, but it looks like I’ll have some extra for a moat too. How much would that cost?
@Grivian
@Grivian 2 года назад
I made a rough estimation of the cost of food equivalence in the roman age. Based on that it is like if a loaf of bread would cost 50 dollars today. That is crazy
@michaelvisconti869
@michaelvisconti869 2 года назад
As always a great video . Now if a replica was built where would be the best place to build one ? My choice would be outside of Las Vegas . Where would be your ideal place to build it ?
@tomcollins5112
@tomcollins5112 2 года назад
Vegas would be too hot. As far as climate goes, you can't beat San Diego.
@howlingwolfawooo8129
@howlingwolfawooo8129 2 года назад
Lord Farquaad: “Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.” I get shrek vibes from this vid ngl
@Synochra
@Synochra Год назад
You honestly always come up with the most interesting and entertaining scenarios.
@JSM270
@JSM270 Год назад
If we’re allowed to use poured concrete and modern equipment, it wouldn't be any more expensive than the average stadium. If we have to hand carve everything, it would cost way more than 2B
@zop57
@zop57 2 года назад
The Roman’s didn’t see things as impossible. They thought “how do we make it possible?”
@Waffles--zl8yi
@Waffles--zl8yi 2 года назад
Wow, I’m so impressed with just how smart the ppl in the comments are. Such massive intellects and great wealths of knowledge. You all deserve a round of applause. Thank you so much for sharing your off the charts IQ with the world. What would we do without you. It’s so amazing that so many intellectual anomaly’s have come together in the same comment section.
@theobserver9131
@theobserver9131 2 года назад
Obviously a reflection of the creator of the channel. There are a number of channels that do the same thing, so refreshing after slogging through the cesspool of the majority!
@djolley61
@djolley61 2 года назад
You've indirectly taught a great lesson in economics. Human labor has always been expensive. Today's human labor is very much more expensive, but is far, far more productive than 2000 years ago. This is why a modern brick layer can live better today than a king could 2000 years ago.
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 2 года назад
Adam Smith said something similar about the relative standard of living of a British working man in the 18th century compared to an African king of his own time. The key to how they felt about it, however, is that both then and two millennia ago the kings had far more power and control and were visibly better off than the labourers. What matters to a lot of people is not how high their standard of living is in absolute terms, but how it compares to everybody else.
@californiaplant-basedeater2761
@californiaplant-basedeater2761 2 года назад
The whole typical comparing the standard of living argument is always lacking the fact that many working class people (in the US, for example) are often a paycheck or two from being kicked out into the street. That kind of dread and mental weight does not allow one to live better than kings and queens, along with the subjugation of being underlings at various awful workplaces and much more ills of modern day society. A lot of it is overcomeable. A lot is also not... not to the extent that one can be as comfortable as a king with servants. Not that that is necessary to have happiness.
@sternamc919sterna3
@sternamc919sterna3 2 года назад
The best stone masons were never underpaid. Some were and have been very powerful and their associations and brotherhood had political influence. Some even funded the careers of famous politicians. That is a well kept secret😉
@alexwilliamns
@alexwilliamns 2 года назад
“The only way to answer that question would be to actually build that replica…” SO THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I’VE DONE!
@PakaBubi
@PakaBubi 2 года назад
Meanwhile in China: hold my beer
@danielkrcmar5395
@danielkrcmar5395 2 года назад
I read somewhere that the purchasing power of gold has stayed roughly the same since the Roman era, if you can convert to gold and then adjust that could be a roughly accurate estimate.
@samshare2146
@samshare2146 2 года назад
Thank you for an excellent analytical analysis for what the Colosseum might cost to build today. I agree, as you surmised, that some things might be done cheaper due to modern technology while other parts might be more expensive due to higher labor cost. But, in order for someone to make the Colosseum today with the modern amenities and internal structure required to pass code, it will likely be much more expensive. The most expensive arenas/stadia of today are far more expensive than the high estimate given in your video. In fact, there are 10 that have cost at least $1b or more. It would be an impressive and monumental task if one should ever decide to build a new Colosseum. As for me...I am happy with the Lego version. It fits nicely in my study across from the Lego Taj Mahal...
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 7 месяцев назад
Did you genuinely expect a response from the joke that is our modern academic system? They have no desire to engage in thought experiments but to buddy up to corporations and government bureaucracy to increase the department’s budget
@Ep0nz
@Ep0nz 2 года назад
The history channel has a show starting Sunday (July 17th at 9pm east) called “colosseum”. It actually looks pretty good.
@ROLtheWolf
@ROLtheWolf 2 года назад
It makes sense that it would cost less (when comparing historical values and costs) to build a replica than the original. Modern tools and techniques and automation have replaced lots of workers and made productivity very high compared to 2000 years ago.
@norton2757
@norton2757 Год назад
If you were to build an exact replica of the coliseum and hold venues there it would be one of the most visited and photographed structure in the world.
@chasethebase5986
@chasethebase5986 2 года назад
3 to 8 billion if unions did the work!
@Jacob-Simonsen
@Jacob-Simonsen Год назад
We will never be able to make a real replica where everything is build in hand as then.. The building is priceless
@windowsxp9120
@windowsxp9120 2 года назад
10:33 idk why but the comedic timing of your face reaction here is just so funny.
@CrazyBrosCael
@CrazyBrosCael 2 года назад
The fact that some billionaire hasn’t built an ancient arena yet is just baffling. Sure, I don’t think you would make a profit from it, and would most likely be a financial loss, but it would certainty be able to last much, much longer than any modern stadium today. My best guess is that it would shine the most during movie sets/ musical concerts. Let’s see what the future has in stall, eh?
@jayson8372
@jayson8372 2 года назад
Pause at 5:58; could you imagine walking down that hallway with the stands filled with cheering spectators? Amazing!
@Jacob-TX
@Jacob-TX 2 года назад
I think people should look into the cost of restoring the original colosseum, keeping as much of the remaining structures intact.
@JohnXOsterman
@JohnXOsterman 2 года назад
If a replica were built, I’d travel anywhere to see it.
@brokenrecord3523
@brokenrecord3523 4 месяца назад
Magnificus will be awarded the bid, but oh, those cost overruns are going to be painful.
@tigersharkzh
@tigersharkzh 2 года назад
A huge stadium with seating capacity of 132,000 was recently completed in India for the cost of $100M while other stadium projects in the USA with half that capacity cost over $1B!
@kevinclear4007
@kevinclear4007 2 года назад
We see how long it last.
@stampedetrail2003
@stampedetrail2003 7 месяцев назад
Given prices of bread and wine, I'd put one sestertius at around $8 in 2024 USD. A loaf of bread at the supermarket is approximately $4, a cheap wine bottle is around $10, and an expensive wine is around $40.
@lukehauser1182
@lukehauser1182 2 года назад
I think they paid for it with a 2000-year bond issue that's still not entirely paid off
@peksn
@peksn 2 года назад
When you showed the picture of the Colosseum in its current state, it was sad to see how we just put roads all around it, it may just be my spanish mind, but imagine how good it would have been if there had been a huge plaza around it, where little kids could play football or tag with their friends as I did when I was young while their parents watched over from a bench, couples could hold hands and walk around the magnificent proof of humanity's prowess, groups of friends could lay down in grass while having picnics to eat there while listening to their music or just talking amongs themselves. I really expected such an important place to be a lot more walk-visit focused. I am kind of sad it is not.
@Picollo860847
@Picollo860847 Год назад
As far as I know, it was Mussolinis fault, he built some streets around the Colosseum and even erased the left foundation of the big statue which stood there and gave the Colosseum it's name.
@AtlasReburdened
@AtlasReburdened 2 года назад
Looks like Magnificus is getting that building contract.
@Odysseus38
@Odysseus38 2 года назад
holy shit the amount of work you put in to figure out how much it would cost to build today
@Ken19700
@Ken19700 4 месяца назад
Now that the recipe for ancient Roman concrete had been discovered, I suspect that an accurate replica would cost significantly more than one made with modern concrete.
@AndystanSmith
@AndystanSmith 2 года назад
Unskilled laborers were priced at $65 an hour. Why is that so high?
@user-ur5yg3cx8t
@user-ur5yg3cx8t Год назад
A 19 acre stadium ( capacity 1,32,000 ) built in 2020 costs 100 million in Gujarat, India but an 13 acre stadium ( capacity 65000 ) also built in 2020 costs 1.9 billion in las vegas, USA
@georgesteffey8375
@georgesteffey8375 2 года назад
Man I love this channel so much, great work toldinstone!
@korana6308
@korana6308 2 года назад
Around a billion dollars (removing the highest and lowest estimates out of 3) Seems like a right number. Also would be around the same value as it was back in those days, except everyone was much poorer back then so building something of that size was quite an achievement for any emperor. Nowadays buildings of such size are still impressive and are much more common and abundant to build.
@welcome763
@welcome763 2 года назад
I think that since there were several exclusions from the pricing, ie. paying architects to design the building alone. Any setbacks would drive up costs as well
@lukeprowse3215
@lukeprowse3215 2 года назад
In really enjoyed this video. Thanks.
@markcasey2517
@markcasey2517 2 года назад
Fantastic. And brilliant that you couched it in estimates on assumptions. A great thought provoking exercise. Very cool.
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