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@paulpeters1739
@paulpeters1739 Месяц назад
The key is no mortgage, no car payments, no cc debt...this from a retiree 3 years in.
@robertnewell1138
@robertnewell1138 Месяц назад
Nutshell. 👍
@randymillhouse791
@randymillhouse791 Месяц назад
No mortgage? If one owns a home, there will always be unforeseen repairs and failures that can cost dearly. My option: GET OUT OF THE USA! Take my USD to South America, RENT, and move around as I see fit. Owning a home is expensive even after it is paid off. Imagine having a roof, foundation, electrical, or plumbing issue. I am convinced that owning a home in the USA is a drain. Why not rent a great safe apartment in estrato cinco in (NOT NAMED CITY / COUNTRY) for $700.00 USD per month. Everything is less expensive there. Culture is nonexistent in the USA. So why not live in a place that actually has it?
@southduck
@southduck Месяц назад
​@@randymillhouse791I went to Thailand early this year for exactly this reason to do a little research to make that happen when I retire. Hopefully a few more years and I will be going.
@2Rugrats9597
@2Rugrats9597 Месяц назад
@@randymillhouse791 I own a home, have no debt at all, rent out two bedrooms out of 4bdrm that’ Pays for my entire living expense in U.S while my house keeps appreciating in value. You sound like you have no clue what you’re talking about. I live just fine in the U.S and live like a minimalist because I don’t really need much. Yes a house has expenses , but it’s better than paying someone else rent and not yourself. Yes I can go to another country but there is no utopia. You have to be prepared Ann smart w your money and don’t live like most people do in the u.S. which is in debt or Keeping up w the joneses. Smart people w money are doing just fine in America even w this high inflation
@randymillhouse791
@randymillhouse791 Месяц назад
@@2Rugrats9597 Who is Ann Smart? That murderer from Canada?
@user-yq8tc4tc2r
@user-yq8tc4tc2r Месяц назад
600k at 62, retired and living the dream. Even with cc debt but with a paid off house. Keep on truckin' Josh!
@sburger1685
@sburger1685 Месяц назад
You don’t pay it off monthly? Gas , food, and hardware?
@theodfw
@theodfw Месяц назад
I retired at the end of 2020 at age 64 with no debt and around 10x my salary in retirement funds. My total expenses are just under 60% of my pre-retirement salary and things are going great. Thank you Josh for all your great advice and services over the last five years.
@christopherleslie
@christopherleslie Месяц назад
@theodfw My question is if you are spending enough. If you are not collecting any sort of pension or Social Security 2021 to 2023 you should still be even with your retirement nest egg coming into 2024. You will need to step up spending if in 401Ks to avoid bad RMD < 8 years from now. A lot of assumptions here on my part.
@user-rd2em4zw1s
@user-rd2em4zw1s Месяц назад
Does not matter your net worth,as long as you are comfortable in retirement ,you will be okay.
@sheldongardner3150
@sheldongardner3150 Месяц назад
I’m 59 , nearing retirement, but my plans are in disarray. I have a 30k annuity and a depleted 401(k) with only 150k left, leaving me uncertain about my financial future. Considering my circumstances, would it be wise to seek the guidance of a financial advisor to help me get back on track and make the most of my resources?
@patrickjones1392
@patrickjones1392 Месяц назад
With everything going on, consider financial advsr … that is okay. You can get your money to work for you. but I would say delay retirement a little.
@sheldongardner3150
@sheldongardner3150 Месяц назад
I have heard how they can help you make the best decisions and to be honest I don’t want to lose anymore money or I will have to work a job in retirement to sustain for God knows how long.
@christopher506
@christopher506 Месяц назад
And what if that is all you have, even with SS you may not have enough to retire with. If you opt to work with a financial adviser, Dyor, make sure they are certified from AARP or FINRA.
@kingcastro-s1p
@kingcastro-s1p Месяц назад
It's essential to find a fiduciary advisor who is legally bound to prioritize your interests and avoid conflicts of interest. My spouse and I work with Monica Mary Strigle, a retirement planner recommended by Danielle Dimartino Booth. Under her guidance, we've diversified our investments across traditional IRA and individual brokerage accounts, mirroring her master portfolio. Our investments have grown by 74% in the past year, and she rebalanced our portfolio at the start of the year, helping us maintain a cautious approach with cash reserves amid market uncertainty.
@clementdan9417
@clementdan9417 Месяц назад
Can I get the contact info of the person you work with?
@lorimcmahon407
@lorimcmahon407 Месяц назад
Josh, thank you for making these videos and sharing your knowledge with us. Media makes it seem like middle income people can never retire. If you have no debt, low expenses and paid for home, can retire with moderate income.
@randymillhouse791
@randymillhouse791 Месяц назад
No, you cannot. The home is still a liability even if it is paid off. When critical parts fail, you have to pay for them. I will never own a home ever again.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
@@randymillhouse791renting will cost more.
@hastycontemplation
@hastycontemplation Месяц назад
​@randymillhouse791 I'm curious are you going to rent? I am thinking rent might be just a risky as a house.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
@@hastycontemplation with rent you pay constantly. With a house you don’t. It is a liability as far as taxes and insurance are concerned and there is always risk of a tree falling on it lol but overall if you are renting, especially now you are guaranteed to pay. Just my opinion.
@randymillhouse791
@randymillhouse791 Месяц назад
@@hastycontemplation En estrato 5 en un pais en la Sur De America hay apartamentos aqullar por $700.00 USD por mes con "kookoo" calidad con 3 o 4 habitaciones. La vida en los Esatdo Unidos es muy cara. Me entiendes? Basta.
@chriskredlo5198
@chriskredlo5198 Месяц назад
It's all about sustainable cash flow that you can create through your productive life. Never tolerate letting yourself earn less than you spend.
@338mag
@338mag Месяц назад
That is a great way to put it.
@Rodriguezpaul-9
@Rodriguezpaul-9 Месяц назад
I lost over $70k when everything started to tank. Not because I was in an exchange that went belly up. I was just stupid to hold and because that's what everyone said. I'm still responsible. It just taught me to be a better investor now that I understand more of what could go wrong. It took me over two years of being in the market, I'm really grateful I found one source to recover my money, at least $10k profits weekly. Thanks Natalie Strayer.
@Brucelanham845
@Brucelanham845 Месяц назад
I'm surprised that you just mentioned Natalie Strayer here also Didn’t know she has been good to so many people too this is wonderful, i'm in my fifth trade with her and it has been super.
@Nguyenvictory83
@Nguyenvictory83 Месяц назад
The very first time we tried, we invested $2000 and after a week, we received $9500. That really helped us a lot to pay up our bills.
@carolynvo7802
@carolynvo7802 Месяц назад
Natalie Strayer has really set the standard for others to follow, we love her here in Canada 🇨🇦 as she has been really helpful and changed lots of life's
@DaveCulbertson
@DaveCulbertson Месяц назад
I'm new at this, please how can I reach her?
@Scottweeier846
@Scottweeier846 Месяц назад
Most people are retiring this year and has nothing to show for. But I assure you it’s never late to get your financial life together again.. All thanks to Natalie Strayer for I and my family
@ronaldreagan-ik6hz
@ronaldreagan-ik6hz Месяц назад
dude. the orange sweatshirt with with the white t shirt looks like you are broadcasting from prison. LOL
@WayneMarcy
@WayneMarcy Месяц назад
I’ll add the audio sounds like it too.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
More like county jail lol😂😂😂
@ronaldreagan-ik6hz
@ronaldreagan-ik6hz Месяц назад
@@deanrotering879 luckily i didnt know the difference!! LOL
@commosection
@commosection Месяц назад
There is no real answer to this question. We all lived different life styles some are overly fussy and some managed to live a simple life
@icucmerc
@icucmerc Месяц назад
Invest in the financial markets before retiring by diversifying across assets, allocating a small portion of your portfolio, staying updated on market trends, and considering long-term holding to balance risk and growth....
@bombasticlove76
@bombasticlove76 Месяц назад
Very possible! especially at this moment. Profits can be made in many different ways, but such intricate transactions should only be handled by seasoned market professionals.
@Java62PR
@Java62PR Месяц назад
Love the channel ...been watching for a few years now....Josh, the only improvement i can suggest is an external microphone that will help us old people hear you better !
@xlerb2286
@xlerb2286 Месяц назад
I didn't manage to hit 10x my salary at retirement time, I'm poor at planning, I wound up with 16x. And that's not counting a paid off house and such. We maybe could have spent a little more on our todays and not saved/invested quite so much for out tomorrows. But now that tomorrow is here I'm not totally sad about it.
@Paul610goose
@Paul610goose Месяц назад
@@xlerb2286 you seem to be boasting
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy Месяц назад
I won't complain about having more money than I need. I'd be happy if I were at that point. That way I'd work because I want to work, not because I have to work.
@Ethan-bu2zy
@Ethan-bu2zy Месяц назад
Good job👍🏻
@xlerb2286
@xlerb2286 Месяц назад
@@TheFirstRealChewy Believe me, I'm not complaining. With hindsight I can say we may have sacrificed a bit more than necessary. But I'd rather have overshot the mark a bit and have more freedom than planned than to be at a job I don't like at 65 and still looking at a few more years to retirement.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
Nice work. Spend it now. Enjoy yourself.
@DrBilly90210
@DrBilly90210 Месяц назад
As you point out, since the answer to the question "How much do I need to retire [at age "X"]?" is completely dependent on the answer to the question "How much do you want to spend in retirement?", most (all?) people would be much better served figuring out their expenses and formulating a budget, than watching videos about how much they need to accumulate.
@meemka8251
@meemka8251 19 дней назад
Well stated... I am doing both.
@MosquitoCreek-gv4go
@MosquitoCreek-gv4go Месяц назад
I’ve always felt like net worth doesn’t mean squat. I’ve always said like you said Josh, you have to live somewhere!!! Our paid off house is supposedly now worth $500k and ironically my 401k is $500k portable pension account of $116k but at 61 I don’t feel like I can retire for a couple more years even with zero debt.
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 Месяц назад
Yeah, unless you've saved a lot or your about at full retirement age + it's hard to justify retiring too early since you don't want to dwindle down your investment portfolio before you actually take ss. Only good news for you is that if your house is paid off you can always look at taking a reverse mortgage if it comes to that.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy Месяц назад
That's because you are looking at it the wrong way. Yes, you have to live somewhere, but you don't have to own the residence. You can do the math and determine that owning the house is better than renting, but you are still choosing not to sell the house. Here is an example as to why equity in your house is still important. What if your house was worth $100 million? Would you say that you can't retire because you still have to live somewhere? What if you owned multiple homes? Do you have to live in a $500K home in order to retire?
@cutehumor
@cutehumor Месяц назад
Us stocks up almost 2 percent today 🎉
@Skott62
@Skott62 Месяц назад
Thanks Josh! That word 'comfortable' is the pricky part of any discussion. Everyone has their own idea of what comfortable is. There is no standard. If I were to go by this example Josh shows I'm ahead of their suggestions. Good? I hope so.
@Markrtsoon
@Markrtsoon Месяц назад
For the nth time Josh, define “comfortable” first please. We have easily 20x of my current salary in investments, zero debt including a cash purchased house. Two pensions and will collect two SS. Plan to work a couple more years to be comfortable. The possibility of long periods of high inflation and uncertainty of medical related expenses before Medicare scares me.
@1Mannco
@1Mannco 11 дней назад
Retire now !!!!
@NineToes19
@NineToes19 Месяц назад
If you’re old enough, the key to reverse mortgage, especially if house is paid off, is to get the reverse mortgage, move to a cheaper country, rent the house until the loan is paid off then give bank the house when you die. You can still use that address as a USA address but have your mail, etc. sent to you in whatever cheaper country you’re in via many legal and safe methods. Your mail never goes to the house address of your reverse mortgage. More than you think are doing this. Successfully. And, your money can go 40-60% farther in a country that takes less money to live in.
@kevinfestner6126
@kevinfestner6126 Месяц назад
I would subtract the main home from net worth when figuring this retirement number.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
Net worth is a bad metric. It’s expenses and how much you can safely withdraw from how ever much you saved.
@kevinfestner6126
@kevinfestner6126 Месяц назад
@@deanrotering879 100 pct correct.
@kennethwers
@kennethwers Месяц назад
No one has a the same income thru out their working life. If you adjust your withdrawal yearly you will never run out of money. You may have less to spend some times but never Zero. SS checks are for life. Don't work until you are dead.
@NIO3954
@NIO3954 Месяц назад
So, our salary at retirement between my wife's pension and my ssn will be around $60K. 10x of that will be $600k....I guess that is doable... LOL!
@JC-21470
@JC-21470 Месяц назад
Thanks Josh for keeping things REAL for average folks. I love how your videos just cut to the FACTS and do not promote the SCARYYYYY, you need a Gazillion dollars to retire narrative!
@Will-kn9kw
@Will-kn9kw Месяц назад
Opened a Coors Light my friend Josh, I haven’t heard a video from you in a month- sun is setting give it to me!
@2Rugrats9597
@2Rugrats9597 Месяц назад
Most people are not as thorough as you Josh. I don’t think this person look at all numbers before writing this article. He definitely didn’t think things thru.
@christopherleslie
@christopherleslie Месяц назад
So much of the calculation of retirement is individual. How much are you going to spend ... Have enough to fund those expenses taking into consideration inflation and spending behaviors changing over time. Also ask yourself your end goal of dying with nothing or passing along generational wealth.
@sergiosantana4658
@sergiosantana4658 Месяц назад
The net present value of your social security is close to the 8x annual income threshold.
@davidpipes5451
@davidpipes5451 Месяц назад
I'm debt free across the board and have 13x / I retired at 62 I'm now 65 so I do have a fiduciary who talked me into retirement I was a little weary at first but I'm glad I did give up working my crappie job just my social security pays all my monthly bills not to mention that I haven't even touched my liquid assets and other income stream that I have on hold until I have to start spending down , yes life is good now , and I sleep good at night knowing that I made the right investments and don't have to worry about running out of money ..
@CindyHolman
@CindyHolman Месяц назад
I don’t think anyone has that much money at retirement! Great video - love your insight as my husband and I are less than 2 years from retirement ❤
@dforrest4503
@dforrest4503 Месяц назад
No matter what the number, it should never be “you need to save X times your salary” when it’s all about expenses.
@camaroboss6425
@camaroboss6425 Месяц назад
Right on Josh
@rodeleon2875
@rodeleon2875 Месяц назад
your net worth is not really relevant as you point out and ed jones advice made ed jones rich while his clients paid for his ranch in hawaii. the bottom line is knowing your expenses to a great level of detail and having a budget that allows for that plus a reasonable amount of unexpected expenses and misc discretionary expenses. you then should have a tax advantaged portfolio that generates enough income to provide whatever you need that SS and pension does not. i personally am not comfortable relying on drawing on principal for retirement due to sequence of returns risks so i have set up a 3 year cash bucket fed by the portfolio dividends to ride out any market downturns. ya probably not the most performance driven method but now that interest rates have gotten more reasonable for savers, i can sleep at night when the market dumps 30%. i'll take 5.3% MM returns as long as i can get it.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
“You have won the game so quit playing” if you have enough it doesn’t need to be performance driven. My retirement mix will be 40/40/20. No need for more risk than that.
@rodeleon2875
@rodeleon2875 Месяц назад
@@deanrotering879 yep. 40/40/20 is about where i am right now. when i get cash heavy i will dollar cost average the extra back into a well diversified portfolio. or buy something i don't really need but could sell if i need to.
@AG-so4gl
@AG-so4gl Месяц назад
Simple, and if timed right, kids college paid, no mortgage and debt free. Downsize, pay cash, and bag the rest of the equity.. 😊
@kennethwers
@kennethwers Месяц назад
A couple= one and a half ss check ($3000?). No payments. Paid for house. 7% adjusted yearly from a $500k retirement fund. Will be a very good retirement for the average guy.
@thomasmoshier3920
@thomasmoshier3920 Месяц назад
That prison orange looks good on you Josh. Just don’t drop the soap……
@WayneMarcy
@WayneMarcy Месяц назад
Lol
@MidlifeCrisisManagement
@MidlifeCrisisManagement Месяц назад
money managers do it to convince you to keep giving them your money to manage, Josh. you more you give them, the more they make.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy Месяц назад
Pensions use to be a big deal. There are people retiring today who are grandfathered into their pension. Then you consider social security and a household where some people are retired, some are not. For example, one spouse works, or the retired person lives with other family members. It't not straight forward. What we do know is that things are changing. Those retiring in the future will need to rely more on their own investments to retire comfortably. It will be a gradual change.
@52CA
@52CA Месяц назад
I think the amount shouldn’t be 10xs your gross salary. It should be 10xs what you were living on. By the time you back out taxes and savings most will be living on less than 50% of their salary.
@CB-vt3mx
@CB-vt3mx Месяц назад
I have no real 401K--but one pension coming in and a second in 2 years. I decided to wait until 65 to retire only to get another two years service for my second pension--it makes a difference...LOL. With two pensions, VA disability, and SS, life is not going to have one worry--income. The key for you pension plan folks is to pay off your debts. No debt plus pension is a great place to be.
@maryrudelich9000
@maryrudelich9000 Месяц назад
When it came to my retirement, (age 59) it was ready or not. Time to hang it up. As for us laborers, we generally retire once our bodies fall apart, (bad back). Thankfully, I have a vested pension that I’m hoping will be there when I go to collect it, (age 65). Also, savings in excess of 100K and a house value of approx. 250K. The downside, of course were my medical and insurance costs in the first year of retirement. Thank God I have enough in savings to cover those costs. Also, all thanksgivings to our Holy Father who made our, (my husband and I) later in life marriage work. So, as they say…God bless and good luck with that! 😂
@jayholiday256
@jayholiday256 Месяц назад
Josh, Dave Ramsey told us how horrible reverse mortgages are, and annuities too, and we’re supposed to drive used Camrys
@timjones8295
@timjones8295 Месяц назад
Hey! Don't disrespect the Camary….😅
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
@@timjones8295😂😂😂😂😊
@TES-bt8sv
@TES-bt8sv Месяц назад
I think the answer is: "It depends."
@travis7091
@travis7091 Месяц назад
Better not consider retiring, even if your net worth is 10 million, if you're not watching Josh.(Watching on my lunch break)
@coastalhillbilly3419
@coastalhillbilly3419 Месяц назад
Even better to watch Josh on the clock, get paid to get paid 😂
@travis7091
@travis7091 Месяц назад
@@coastalhillbilly3419 I was clocked out😢
@maxsmart8954
@maxsmart8954 6 дней назад
Sorry orange is not a good color for financial advisors…
@HeritageWealthPlanning
@HeritageWealthPlanning 6 дней назад
😂
@JJBrooks13
@JJBrooks13 Месяц назад
I don't like the X times your salary. I know people who are living beyond their means and others who are saving half. Only your expenses and other income (SS) count to determine how much you need.
@heymoe1179
@heymoe1179 Месяц назад
"Comfortably" is subjective...so there is no answer.
@jayholiday256
@jayholiday256 Месяц назад
I k ow more about retirement planning than my Edward Jones guy, but he’s a great financial advisor not a retirement planner
@kludgedude
@kludgedude Месяц назад
"Kamala, Kamala, Kamala, Kamala, Kamala chameleon, you come and go, you come and go." -culture club
@masterlee4370
@masterlee4370 Месяц назад
I was fortunate to start in the 401-k plan my company started due to my manger talking me into it at age 21. That was in 1980, 15% every week and still working today. At 65 debt free I have just shy of 14 times my annual salary. It can be done. It's never too late to start, but the earlier the better. Stay the course and it will grow. I am living proof. Great Video!
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 Месяц назад
I feel like you should have even more than 14 times your annual salary, assuming a 7% ROI 35 years would be close to a 12X return alone. So just having even 1X your salary (you should be close to of having 1.4x at minimum with a constant 15%) at the age of 30 should get you there inflation adjusted unless you've made pretty significant salary increases in later working years compared to earlier working years.
@johnd4348
@johnd4348 Месяц назад
I am a poor planner. I only have a 35 times my annual salary and no debt. Should I retire.
@rickcowart8852
@rickcowart8852 Месяц назад
Josh on point again. A question if anyone could please help. I purchased an FIA annuity last year on 7/1. In 4 years the payout rate would be 6.60, in year 5 it would be 6.74. Can I choose to begin payments after 4.5 years (1/1), would the payout rate be 6.67? Thanks
@crimsonpearl4686
@crimsonpearl4686 Месяц назад
This sounds encouraging for me, but I would like your opinion. I turn 62 in 10 days, with just a tick over 1 million in retirement savings, which is almost 13 x times my salary saved for retirement. I am debt free, healthy, single male with no kids. I plan on working one more year and retire next August at 63. My employer's health insurance continues in retirement for life (employer pays 80%, I pay 20%). I would like my assets to last till mid 90's. Can I retirement comfortably in one more year at 63?
@1Mannco
@1Mannco 11 дней назад
With one more year of work and no debt, hopefully the house is paid, get SS at 67yo, spend some money within your means so RMD's in 12 yrs aren't so bad. Maybe convert money to a Roth. Have 2 years of emergency money saved. Hopefully your investments have some dividends. Even w/o a pension I think you should be good to retire at 63 and last to your 90's.
@kludgedude
@kludgedude Месяц назад
Comfortably numb -Pink Floyd
@Paul610goose
@Paul610goose Месяц назад
Obviously you can’t do more than you make. I think a reasonable retirement needs a minimum of $50k a year. Sure you can survive on less but that probably means working part time and driving a vehicle into the ground.
@lmelior
@lmelior Месяц назад
Depends on what you owe. With no debt and a paid off house in an area with low property taxes, $50k/year could buy you a fairly luxurious lifestyle!
@scottrichardson3961
@scottrichardson3961 Месяц назад
It's monthly net income vs expenses (in both working life and retirement)....simple math. If you've planned right you'll NEVER have to touch your retirement nestegg....save it for your kids! Lol
@Dave--gp1qx
@Dave--gp1qx Месяц назад
Josh - Question - what is 1 additional year of work worth in retirement? I heard 1 additional year of work = 6 years in retirement. It might also depend on what is considered and what age the 1 additional year is worked.
@deanrotering879
@deanrotering879 Месяц назад
If you are making $250k maybe. Definitely not worth 6 years. You need to know what your expenses are and then see if you have enough to draw that out plus SS
@agates9383
@agates9383 Месяц назад
@@deanrotering879 one year - from my circumstances equals 2-3 yrs of retirement - nowhere near 6 yrs, if youre making 300k theres no way youre currently living on 50k, at least ive never met that person
@RalphPrescott
@RalphPrescott Месяц назад
If you're not counting your cars in your net worth can you also exclude loans on them too?~ 🤪 Why not include them as assets - as long as you account for depreciation? They are reasonably liquid. Obviously agree on n/w vs investable assets.
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 Месяц назад
Because more than likely unless you have a number of different valuable cars, you will just drive your car until it's dead and over time it will more than likely only depreciate so it won't really be a valuable asset you can claim money from in 10 years.
@RalphPrescott
@RalphPrescott Месяц назад
@@Lolatyou332 a simple rule of thumb is to get a market value once a year or so then reduce it by 1% per month. That roughly follows the depreciation curve. That's assuming you track your net worth regularly - which is a good discipline.
@Nobamaable
@Nobamaable Месяц назад
Of course... especially if you have a Classic Corvette like me.
@shaddiegradyorielly6380
@shaddiegradyorielly6380 Месяц назад
63, single. Just retired in April 2024. Debt free, but don't own a house (big mistake). Got health care. and a pension (7500 a month) from the job. About to signup for social security soon. Have about 350,000 saved up. So far so good.
@Boosmoney
@Boosmoney Месяц назад
Sound is bad
@cutehumor
@cutehumor Месяц назад
It’s important to have everything available for retirement whether it’s heloc, reverse mortgage. I’ll even borrow against the value of my taxable account like the rich do to tidy me over until my ss starts at age 62. I can use my sweet sweet SS money to repay my heloc. I’m retiring with irs rule of 55 and may use a heloc to tidy me over with my savings 😊
@Philippinesbound42
@Philippinesbound42 Месяц назад
Does this guy ever offer anything of significance? All he does is click and ramble
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