Dude I REALLY liked Travis. When he was killed I was coping he'd survive, but I was like well..at least there's nick! Stopped watching the episode he died lol
To be honest Travis' death was a great character development for Madisson, and well she left before Nick died, so yeah his death was pretty pointless. They say eye for an eye will leave the world blind, but that's not always the case, and Morgan was wrong for that. Because of his peace bs, his friends could've died.
They managed to pull it back with the second half of season 6, i was so pumped for season 7! Then s7 came around and it was terrible. I stopped watching ftwd after jd died.
Yeah the writers killed fear a few episodes in. I couldn't wait for this spin-off. Slogged thru season 1 an threw in the towel. I miss twd being awesome.
@@triplehkingofkings5883 id argue that was probably due to management change and it turning into the Morgan and friends show. Frank Dillane even mentioned that one of the reasons he wanted to leave was because of the show changing.
Nick was basically Rick Grimes as the show revolved around him. He was the main character. Strand had a point that people like Nick would thrive in that world, he was one of the people that could have survived it. He covered himself in blood and walked with the dead, he felt alive with them and knew how to survive within that. When it comes down to the title of the show "Fear the Walking Dead" I don't think they were talking about the Walkers, I think it was aimed at Nick and people like him.
Did a recent rewatch since I stopped watching way back when S4 started. I still couldn't finish the show beyond that episode. Loved the first 3 seasons though
Travis, Jake, Ofelia, Troy, Nick, Madison... After all of these characters have either been killed off or disappeared (like Madison and Troy, just to return in the final Season) in Season 3 and 4A, this just wasn't Fear The Walking Dead anymore. Fear The Walking Dead Seasons 1-3 have out of any movie or TV series been the greatest thing I have ever watched and I loved every single minute of it (along with TWD S1-6). Such a pity that FTWD later went downhill like this.
Never understood why killing Ofelia & bringing Luciana made sense. Nick could've had a romance with Ofelia. Ofelia became a badass so instantly, they all did
Nick was the core of Fear the walking dead. I hate how they killed him off in such a dumb way. I completely agree with you. The show started with him and should have ended with him in my opinion especially to show his growth/ development in the zombie apocalypse. Season 1-3 was my favorites the other ones are just another spin off to me called the Morgan Saga😂 but thank you for posting this video!
So, I am a recovering heroin addict myself here in NYC, been clean now for about 10 years. I say "About" due to the fact I am not one to have those to have a celebratory sobriety dates . I also lived in MANY squats here. When this show first opened up and it shows nick waking up, I look to my girlfriend who I've been with for over 14 years now and lived the exact same life as me and we got clean the same time and are still together, I looked over at her and jokingly said "Dude looks like an addict, kicking it in a squat" before he even left the room. I saw him laying down, saw the water jug and the random places people will decide that for what ever reason, would make a good sleeping area. And sure enough, turned out to be an abandon church. Never have I seen something capture addict street culture when it came to squatting almost to a 'T' even if it was only a tiny glimpse. Someone really did their homework.
I really really enjoyed the Dynamics bwtween Nick and Troy. They were definitly my favorites of the characters early on. John Dorey Jr was good too, but look where that got him.
without Nick i dont even think theres a point of continuing watching ftwd anymore, i will still probably watch it just for the sake of watching it but jesus damn you Gimple
I remember thinking "Finally! A sensible character" when Nick embraced the whole the whole trick with zombie blood/guts. He wasn't stable, but his behavior always felt right for the character until the end.
Nick for ftwd is what Tyrion Lannister was for got not in a sense that they are similar but that they ground the show and create a depth that makes the viewer wanting to watch bc of those characters.
Nick was the face of FTWD. Its sad he wasn't happy & wanted to leave. I looked him up on IMDB & he hasn't had many projects since then. I wonder if he regrets leaving.
It lowkey breaks my heart how wrong this show got done. After the first 3 seasons, I truly believed this show was going to be better then the main show. How wrong I was. Nick was such a relatable character, the most relatable, to me, in the whole walking dead universe. I'll forever be sad about how this show got done. It is what it is, though.
Bro you are Litteraly the only RU-vidrs saying what we twd fans have BEEN THINKING. Keep making these fear videos bro there’s legit not a single one besides you making this fire fear content!
I also hated the time jump. There was so much development in season 3 and then it just jumped ahead a year. I also didn't like the future/past presentation. I tried watching several times after Nick's death but i couldn't. I also really hated Morgan. He was my least favorite character in walking dead and his presence just ruined Fear. "I lose people and then I lose myself." Stupidest line of all. So many characters had similar reactions to the new world. Morgan droning on about this was so lame.
Morgan was awesome, I agree that his presence in Fear was pointless but I loved him in the main show. Clear was one of the greatest episodes and he was very entertaining to watch in action. Not to mention his reasoning for wanting to be a pacifist or why he would lose his mind made a lot of sense. There’s definitely truth to that quote, there’s so many worse lines of dialogue in the waking dead universe than that. Besides there’s a difference between losing people you care about and feeling responsible for the deaths of people you care about as well as having hundreds of innocent peoples blood on your hands because of an inability to control yourself. Morgan explored these themes better than most other characters.
Huge shame they didn't go with Dave Erickson's original plan to make Madison the villain. You could definitely see that animosity building up between her and Nick. The show's first F-bomb was Madison telling Nick "F**k you" after he called her out on her cold ways.
I wasn't initially sold on FTWD. I wanted to love it more than the show deserved (if that made sense). By season 2-3 the show really picked up but with the death of Travis and then the loss of Nick later I completely checked out. They were the two most compelling characters on the show and without them I lost all interest. Another great video!
Gimple, Ian and Andrew were the worst things to happen to FearTWD, they just sidelined/ killed off the original cast so Morgan, Dwight, Sherry and new characters can take over. I just assume that Season 3 was the finale, Nick died at the dam, the others eventually find each other and live out their lives safe from Gimple
Yes, you had now covered the video on Nick. Was looking forward to that. Just finished watching the video and I agree with you about Nick. Nick’s death also had killed the show for me as well. Edit: fix grammar
You realyy nailed it with this video. FTWD season 1 - 3 was a really good show and in my opinion, was better than the main show, especially season 3. The shame became total garbage after that - I remember watching (half paying attention to) the final season and then re-watching season 1 to 3 and they're like totally different shows. I really wish they had kept the original writer as I think that seasons 4 to 7 would've been very different (and GOOD). I know what you mean about Nick's character in that the downfall of society basically saved him and broke his addiction. It's very relatable in so many ways as were the rest of the family - they had various issues like any family but to see them adapt and down whatever they had to to survive from the very start of the outbreak was something I'd wanted to see since the main show started.
Watching Morgan's sanctimonious pious bullshit episode after episode is what killed Fear. Yessss we get it, you don't kill. Oh i wonder what this weeks episode... oh its Morgan doesn't kill again. And next weeks episode... Morgan... and... he... doesnt kill again. And again And again. We get it. The writers just wanted to shove it down our throats so much, it killed my enjoyment of the show
You can understand killing off Interesting and complex characters when the plot requires it but fear had the worst timing they killed chris off to build up travis to be a leader, ruthless warrior of the apocalypse and protect his family over his own life and that’s why Chris was killed but then killing him off 2 episodes into a season where he had a planned death that was so much more impactful and really did make sense to his character was a wrong decision. Same with Jake and Troy in s3 they killed off the two great additions, obviously Jake was killed to build Troy up to not have a leash or someone to reel him in anymore but then killing Troy off because they were afraid of how his character would be butchered in later seasons which then adds more depth to the story arch or nick and madison and the path they were going down in the apocalypse just for nick to be killed off 4 episodes later and madison to basically be killed off 8 episodes later. They can try to retcon it all they want but fear had amazing characters and actors for the first 3 seasons and they wasted each and everyone of them until we were left with Morgan Alicia and co. The show lost itself with its characters as fear was never a plot driven show but a show driven through characters experiencing the world around them it was how they felt and evolved and became who they were in the world and they killed it
He was the ultimate underdog story. Seeing an individual who was completely not built for this world but be set free and even thrive. being valued and respected by others. He may not have started a child but we watched him grow more than others in a way that made sense.
Completed the season 8 today, 6 year before when i started watching this i was a student and loved the nick i cried on his death…my eyes got water everytime i heard the name nick in the show..
This series for me should have always just been the movie about what happened the first day. The first season of “Fear” was all that was ever worth investing in and should have been a one off
Since even before the walking dead came out I wanted to hear a story about how a drug addict would have adjusted to an apocalypse, and I loved that line about how he's been surviving like this and everyone is catching up to him
After his death I didn’t even tune into the next episode I just shut the tv off and haven’t seen another episode since. Fear was only good from season 1 up to his death. His death LITERALLY killed the series
Only ever watched the first episode of Fear but always kept up to date with it through Spoilers. Fully annoyed me when they killed off Travis (great vid btw!)and Nick so early into both of the seasons they died in. Still baffled on how Troy survived being bludgeoned with a hammer, being next to an explosion and being carried underwater by a strong current whilst unconscious....
Completely agree. And I’ve always said, if they had to kill him, why not in the big emotional climatic moment where he stays behind on the dam for his family to escape? Instead of a throwaway garbage death in a random filler episode only a few episodes later. Nick was the backbone of the show and deserved so much better than to go out like that.
While Fear wasn't game changing it had its own charm with its own characters and dynamics sadly it just turned to shit and all the likeable and complex charcters were turned into jokes and thrown to the sidelines,great video!
Great niche content. Rewatching the show right now, but only for the first 3 and a half seasons. Man I would kill to see the full series made by the writer of the first 3 seasons, just give him the cast that was there at the ending of season 3 and do a new final season, an alternate timeline. Not even hating too hard against the rest of the seasons (besides 7 and first half of 8, those were pretty stinky imo) but the show was straight up cinema in the first 3
For real! That would be so sick to see it would have been amazing at points I feel like FTWD was better than the main show that’s how good it was in it’s peak!
@@theohuntt yeah agreed for the most part. Like top FTWD moment is higher than top TWD moments imo. I think TWD managed like a higher consistency, but man, Nick blowing up the dam and Travis lashing out at those 2 guys in the hotel, those 2 moments are historical. Only like Rick's "death" scene is on the same level for me personally. And the writing of Nick is like top notch. Nick is like the most well written character PERIOD. I have watched a lot of TV in my time but nobody is as interesting of a character to me as Nick is
When an actor takes the lead role, or any important role, in a potentially long running series, they should be more commited to that role. We are invested in a good story, just for it to go South when the main character has to be killed off because the actor got bored of the role. Imagine if Bryan Cranston abandoned his role as Walter White in Breaking Bad by the end of season 3. What a robbery that would have been!
He didn't leave because he was bored with the role. He left because the showrunner changed and the direction of the story went totally sideways. If Dave Erickson hadn't been fired and stayed on as showrunner, I have no doubt Frank Dillane would've stayed.
It's really saddening how hard this show fell off after season 3. They killed a show that did really i think have such good potential. This wasn't the only mistake made in season 4 and beyond with this show, to abandoning entire plot lines and so much more; it was mostly due to the change in the showrunners, I swear the new showrunners didn't even watch the first 3 seasons or understand the show at all.
Aye, I completely agree with this essay, The death of Nick removed the heart of the show, I continued watching & it never again reached the heights attained by having him in it, they lost that little bit of magic.
FTWD died after the first season when they basically decided to skip over the entire premise that the show was sold on. Biggest bait and switch show I’ve ever watched.
First 3 seasons are some of the best TV. I don't even think Travis should have died that early. They killed his son and then didn't let his character develop at all.
Cool video. I like your thought process. This was pretty interesting. Gave you a new sub and I’ll be checking out the rest of your library. Nick was the absolute best character in my opinion as well. They never should’ve killed off his character like that. I understand the actor wanted to leave the show at that point so there was no getting around it. I just feel that the way they did it really put the nail in the coffin for me. People cried because no one wanted Nick to die not because they did it in some poetically sad/great way. They could’ve put way more effort and thought into how they did it. It may have even been able to push the story forward if they’d done it in a clever or meaningful way. But…..nope! We get an obnoxious kid who mostly everyone hates just walk up and pop him out of nowhere. I hated that more than anything. It’s really sad how a really great show that so many love can be absolutely destroyed by one idiot’s terrible idea and lack of vision.
I remember watching the episode where Nick dies for the first time and instantly feeling like watching the show after that was pointless so I stopped watching and I’m glad I did. The first 3 seasons were so good and hearing what the original plan was for the show sounds so interesting I really wish we could’ve gotten that instead
The whole reason I started fear the walking dead after finishing the main show was because I wanted to see Morgan, but along the way watching the first 3 season I started liking nick a lot, and at the beginning of season 4 where Morgan is trying to help nick get over his moms death I thought it was amazing seeing these 2 characters talk, then moments later he died and I stopped watching the show
The series the Walking Dead died for me in Season 2 and it was clear the tv network was only dragging the story out that only lead to an anti climax. I’m very glad I never continued watching it.
I...what the heck. I stopped watching the show a long time ago, but Nick was the freaking main and I really imagined him against his mom at the show final. it just made sense! freaking Gimple,man. ruining everything 🤦🏻♀️
The conversation between Nick and Madison in that room Strand hid them in during the Proctors storyline was some of the best acting in this series! I could see how they could develop Madison into a villain due to some of her choices from S2 onward.
Just started watching this show I'm on szn 3 right now. I figured Nick would die eventually but so early in the series??? He's the best character on the show, his character development is unmatched.
Killing Nick was the final straw. Like Travis, he had a huge amount of character developed, only to be killed off. I'm sad the original plan was to keep Nick as the main character, but it didn't happen.
Yeah I peaced out at the end of this season. Getting rid of Kim Dickens was the last straw for me. They basically just ended one show and started a new one.
Getting erikson was the beginning of the end. The actor left because since erikson left,, the storh would have changed and he dud not sign up for that. He saw it would be pointless to stay away from home if he didnt get to play out the story he signed up for.
Nicks death was upsetting but what made the show hard to watch for me was John dories death. i still continued watching because i liked that Morgan got a bigger part in the walking dead universe but not gonna lie at that point it wasnt even fear the walking dead anymore. similar to the spin offs with maggie, negan, daryl, michonne, and rick it just became a side story for morgan after the events of the main show.
He was very well done I was annoyed at him for most of season one and by the time he died he was my character fav in the show. Wonderfully portrayed and written.
This is something I wish AMC/kirkman would get. It’s understandable to have some serious character deaths in a series but there is a line. Glenn was the line. Glenn died in the comics and yes it was painful as f but it still added to the show. But killing Carl? Nick? Removing Rick? Why the f am I still watching?
Currently binging the series and youre right, after his death the show became a DEI spectacle and the crap actor that killed him gets to remain on the show.
Kinda shit how so many character die unnecessarily just becuase of outside reasons Carl, Travis, Nick. What sucks the most is that to all these deaths there is no build up or good reason for them. It's just like, oops now they're dead
I see a lot of videos about how Nicks death ruined/killed the show. It really isnt Nicks death that killed the show, it was the sacking of Dave Erickson. No Erickson, no Fear. Nothing past s3 exists in my mind.
I agree with much of what you say. However Nick was not the main character. The main character for seasons 1-4a and 8b is Madison. She’s even the first credited.
I really wish somehow some way we can see what FTWD was supposed to be but I know it'll never happen. The show had the possibility to become a must watch like breaking bad or TWD, it truly did but what we're left with is so soulless and sad. I'm still planning to finish FTWD because I hate not finishing a show but damn, it's tough knowing what could've been.
