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Testing the RTX 2080 Ti in 12 popular and demanding games in 2024 and comparing it to its predecessor, the GTX 1080 Ti, using an average gaming PC.
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While the GTX 1080 Ti is still fondly remembered in 2024 for its performance, value and longevity, its successor has yet to receive any such praise. Launched at the spearhead of Nvidia's RTX range, the RTX 2080 Ti offered features nobody was sure what to make of, as well as an indeterminate amount of extra performance, and all for a $300 premium over the previous flagship. Perhaps it's time to revisit the 2080 Ti and give it another chance to impress?
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00:00 Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB
00:45 The Story of the Geforce RTX 2080 Ti
02:56 Test System
03:05 Gaming Benchmarks
03:09 Horizon: Forbidden West
04:28 Alan Wake II
05:31 Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
06:43 Helldivers II
07:08 Starfield
07:55 Resident Evil 4 Remake
08:30 The Last of Us Part 1
09:33 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
10:12 Cyberpunk 2077
11:07 Forza Horizon 5
12:08 Call of Duty: Warzone
12:55 Fortnite
13:12 Caution when buying the RTX 2080 Ti second hand
13:42 Conclusion
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@kawanbastos7852
@kawanbastos7852 3 месяца назад
I got the 2080 ti super cheap after having a gtx 1060 6gb, it was a massive upgrade and i am super happy with it
@Rebe-Caufman
@Rebe-Caufman 3 месяца назад
😂
@ThePeca1988
@ThePeca1988 3 месяца назад
Of course, but i can assure you, you would have a massive upgrade with pretty much everything else too 😀
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 3 месяца назад
Why are you guys gatekeeping upgrades?
@mitchjames9350
@mitchjames9350 3 месяца назад
If you got it cheap
@DengueBurger
@DengueBurger 3 месяца назад
Yeah it’s about twice the price of the 1080ti for twice the performance it seems
@UltraVegito-1995
@UltraVegito-1995 3 месяца назад
*This 👉RTX👈 is what causes Nvidia to start becoming Ngreedia*
@Tan-wc7mh
@Tan-wc7mh 3 месяца назад
👉RTX👈
@AnonymousAnonymous-zp6lu
@AnonymousAnonymous-zp6lu 3 месяца назад
👉RTX👈
@spectex304
@spectex304 3 месяца назад
Real
@FalseOracle617
@FalseOracle617 3 месяца назад
1000000000000%
@RawfunRahman
@RawfunRahman 3 месяца назад
yall gamers dont realize how the RTX cards revolutionized 3d CG and Machine Learning and never will. All you know about being a developer is clicking "make game button", "make optimized game button" "make realistic graphics button" brainrotter dumbfricks
@Hyper.773
@Hyper.773 3 месяца назад
Despite what everyone's said about the reference 20 series cards looking trash, I really like the look of them. They're probably my favorite reference model designs out of anything else. Unfortunately, that's about all the positives the 20 series has
@suchirghuwalewala
@suchirghuwalewala 3 месяца назад
IKR... The 20 series looks so awesome and so clean
@tourmaline07
@tourmaline07 3 месяца назад
Those reference cards are absolute art - pity the cooling was a bit naff but nVidia sorted that out and then some with their Ampere and Lovelace FE cards.
@xartfulx9735
@xartfulx9735 3 месяца назад
I agree the reference cards weren’t by any means ugly
@Lemmiou
@Lemmiou 3 месяца назад
Even this isnt great. My rtx 2080 ti founders edition sucked when it came to thermals. It was overheating with pratically no dust and new thermal paste. Looked cool tho i agree.
@Kenny17674
@Kenny17674 3 месяца назад
They are the best looking GPUs
@Jusu
@Jusu 23 дня назад
Wait i bought my 2060 super like half a decade ago? Feels like it was just a day ago.
@mattforeman4508
@mattforeman4508 3 месяца назад
Oddly enough, this is the video I’ve been hoping for. I game in the rear view mirror, so old tech that’s still functional but can be had cheaper than new is my go to. Over the last few months, I moved from RX580 to a 1080Ti and now a 2080Ti. I find the 2080Ti to be a delight to use. I can crank up settings, run some RT and still enjoy over 60FPS. Old reviews crap on the card for its price compared to the 1080Ti, which was truthfully the only thing “wrong” with it (Micron chips aside). I’m glad you identified that, Ice Berg. I’d love to see an MSRP analysis of the 2080Ti’s performance vs the same of the newer gens.
@_qwe_fk_1700
@_qwe_fk_1700 3 месяца назад
these youtub er just live of the nvidia hate. They have cultivated a community of people with next to no critical thinking that will just parrot their own opinions.
@youraveragejoephoto
@youraveragejoephoto 3 месяца назад
@@_qwe_fk_1700while I do believe there are some RU-vidrs out there who could possibly be seen this way, I don’t believe it applies here. I’ve watched all of icebergs videos over the last couple of years and only ever found him to be very objective, fair and down to earth. He’s got the same every man’s pc hardware reviewer style as people such as RGIHD and I think a lot of people appreciate that. Especially when so many RU-vidrs are very focused on the high end these days.
@lucyc776
@lucyc776 3 месяца назад
@@_qwe_fk_1700 Except people aren't saying NVIDIA is bad because their GPUs are trash, they're saying NVIDIA is price hiking their cards for profit which they absolutely are. $2000 for a 4090? A joke. A 4080 Super is $1000-1100 which while still overpriced, a $1000 jump between the 4080 Super and 4090 is insane. If anyone has no critical thinking skills, it's you. You're being contrarian to reasonable opinions and for what? Superiority? A feeling of "not following the crowd"? What a joke. I agree it's bad to follow blindly, but ignoring basic facts to be contrarian? Just sad, really.
@_qwe_fk_1700
@_qwe_fk_1700 3 месяца назад
@@lucyc776 womp womp
@KonglomeratYT
@KonglomeratYT 3 месяца назад
@@_qwe_fk_1700 This just in, comparing prices now = hating. "Wow. This tea costs 2x as much as the last tea did. Does it taste 2x as good?" I now hate tea, apparently.
@kraftkyle
@kraftkyle 3 месяца назад
I only got rid of my 2080ti earlier this year thanks to a generous gift. It's a great card that still has a ton of life left in it.
@emanuelriquelme1133
@emanuelriquelme1133 3 месяца назад
It isn't a bad card at all, it is pretty much the same as a rtx 3070 ti and only 20% less than a rtx 4070 a card that cost 600 dollars
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 3 месяца назад
It'll be useful for longer than the 3070 or 3070ti.
@strumfpinochio273
@strumfpinochio273 3 месяца назад
​@@emanuelriquelme1133the 2080ti its on par with the 3060ti not the 3070
@catfishxX
@catfishxX 2 месяца назад
​@@strumfpinochio273almost 3070 ( rt off and no dlss or upscaling)
@ExistentialEmpire
@ExistentialEmpire 2 месяца назад
@@strumfpinochio273 it performs better than the 3070(only slightly),and it has more vram
@yourneighbourhooddoomer
@yourneighbourhooddoomer 3 месяца назад
I upgraded from a 1080 Ti to a RTX 2080 Ti back when Turing launched and right before prices on even used GPUs skyrocketed. Can't complain honestly, RDR2, CP2077 all run fine with high settings, FSR/DLSS either balanced or quality, with ultra performance I can even run Cyberpunk with RT lighting and reflections while having 60-80 fps. Hopefully the card will survive until the PC release of GTA 6, won't upgrade until then since there hasn't been a new release yet that got me interested.
@koreannom
@koreannom 3 месяца назад
Mine sort of started dying after 3 years so I had to buy a 4060 ti on short notice :c Was the best thing I could afford at the time (wanted to avoid AMD since I was still concerned with drivers at the time since an RX 580 almost made me fail an exam due to glitching out graphically in the middle of it).
@suchirghuwalewala
@suchirghuwalewala 3 месяца назад
​@@koreannom That is one of the best reasons someone has had i have heard to not buy AMD 😂 Almost failing an exam due to a gpu ? Thats new
@koreannom
@koreannom 3 месяца назад
@@suchirghuwalewala Yeah, was worth 50% of the grade too. GPU almost cost me my Grade Point Average and $1.5k in course fees.
@worldwar208
@worldwar208 3 месяца назад
Rdna 4 might be actually exciting if it's got 7900xt to 7900xtx performance for 500$
@expert8665
@expert8665 3 месяца назад
We need to protest for a same day release for gta6 pc version
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams 3 месяца назад
Bad upgrade in terms of being a direct successor to the 1080 Ti, but an absolutely solid choice these days if you can get it super cheap. It gets outclassed by the higher tier 30xx and 40xx cards in RTX performance and features obviously but it's pretty decent in terms of raster performance. I've been seeing these go for very cheap used. Might not be a bad choice to buy if you can find em for bout 350
@igreshi
@igreshi 3 месяца назад
I got one for about 370$ and it's super solid. There are better choices thougu
@i_forgor_whar
@i_forgor_whar 3 месяца назад
350 is a bit too much, especially when for $50 more, you get way better performance with a 6800 XT or a 3080
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams 3 месяца назад
​@@i_forgor_whar Alright, how bout just two fiddy?
@TheBeastsHere
@TheBeastsHere 3 месяца назад
Literally just bought one from ebay for £275 for buy it now since I needed a gpu, but I lost to an auction just before for about £230 so for price to performance these cards are about 2nd on the list behind the 5700xt which is what I replaced it with since I built a new (budget 1440p system).
@TheBcoolGuy
@TheBcoolGuy 3 месяца назад
i need about tree fiddy
@markba2336
@markba2336 3 месяца назад
i find the RTX 2080ti one of the best cards on the used market , usually in uk you get them at around £270 and for that price you cant beat Price/Performance
@rogerbowen5753
@rogerbowen5753 3 месяца назад
You got lucky there, my FE set me back £400. Still glad I got it though. The alternative was a 4060!
@rifter_1695
@rifter_1695 3 месяца назад
Isnt the 5700xt better in terms of performance and price however? I bought a 5700xt for less than 150 dollars and looked at some videos and it seemed to perform better than the 1080ti. Please correct me if Im wrong however!
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 3 месяца назад
@@rifter_1695 The 5700XT has better DX12 and Vulcan performance from it's RDNA chips than Pascal. In modern games a 2060 now performs alongside and even beats 1080tis too for the same reasons. Mind you, the much maligned 2060 was actually one of the bigger gen on gen upgrades in 60 cards (the 1060 was an even bigger upgrade over the 960) coming out at launch matched to the raster performance of a 1080 and over 50% faster than than the 1060. The 5700xt is more like a 2070Super in terms of raster performance and IMO is today's RX580 in terms of being the best bang for bucks GPU you can buy.
@GeneralS1mba
@GeneralS1mba 3 месяца назад
​@@rifter_1695The 5700xt is not the same class of performance, it's around maybe a 2070/super. But it is a VERY good deal!
@IgorkubMASTER
@IgorkubMASTER 3 месяца назад
@@rogerbowen5753 In Poland you can find the 2080 Ti for around 240 GBP i bought a Msi Ventus version for that price.
@sahara8771
@sahara8771 3 месяца назад
6:56 Helldivers 2 has neither DLSS nor FSR, it just has oldschool dumb upscaling.
@Waldherz
@Waldherz 3 месяца назад
Its upscaling is sort of based on FSR1 and straight up called FSR in the games files. But yes, this channel has now claimed twice that HD2 uses DLSS.
@nsreturn1365
@nsreturn1365 3 месяца назад
if you have 60s series or + cards just enable upscaling in settings of adrenalin. Not as good as supported games fsr 2.1 but better than the version the game supports native.
@a36538
@a36538 3 месяца назад
@@WaldherzTuring also brought a 10% gain in HDR gaming a note seemingly lost on these superficial tech channels. And HD2 has hdr support.
@100500daniel
@100500daniel 3 месяца назад
Yep, the devs clearly don't give a shit about performance. It's quite shocking that such a popular game, that is also quite demanding, doesn't support any sort of modern upscaling technique. The average gamer has an RTX 2060 super or so class card and could definitely use upscaling to run this game well enough
@youraveragejoephoto
@youraveragejoephoto 3 месяца назад
@@a36538when you say “superficial tech channels” I don’t think I’ve ever seen a reviewer regardless of how well established they are mention HDR in their GPU reviews, and I don’t know a single person that actually games in HDR. And for a channel such as this which is very much aimed at the every man, I don’t really believe something relatively niche like HDR is really a point worth mentioning.
@Bloodred16ro
@Bloodred16ro 3 месяца назад
I bought a 2080 Ti when it came out and it ended up being one of my best graphics card purchasing decisions, I was running 2 1080s in SLI at the time and SLI was clearly on its way out. While the entire internet was all a cry and wail over the (un)availability and absolutely insane prices of Ampere a few years later, I was still sitting comfortably with my 2080 Ti without a care in the world. DLSS helped a lot with my 4k monitor and I easily weathered the scalper storm with this card. I imagine if I had chosen not to buy it and stuck with 1080 SLI all the way to the end of the pricing insanity that lasted years I would've hated my life, what with SLI support being effectively non-existent at that point in demanding games.
@palikusnir
@palikusnir 3 месяца назад
I've voted in your poll to make video about old gpu vs new games and here is my rtx 2080ti I bought year ago.. Thank you :))
@thewebheadgt
@thewebheadgt 3 месяца назад
In my country 2080Ti are being sold at around $220 to $250. Its still a great card for 1440p gaming.
@listrymcdistri
@listrymcdistri 3 месяца назад
A very well articulated ending👍
@MrGermanletsplayerxD
@MrGermanletsplayerxD 3 месяца назад
I bought an rtx 2080 ti when I first built my pc. It had the Micron memory and almost instantly went kaputt. But the E-bay seller was so nice in trying to fix it and if it was cheaper than the card pay for it. In the end I got my money back and bought myself an rx 6950xt
@malygos9301
@malygos9301 2 месяца назад
That's kind of nuts you could drop to 1080p and at high or uktra probably still run a 1080 ti without upscaling and keep 60. Truly the greatest gen.
@youraveragejoephoto
@youraveragejoephoto 3 месяца назад
One of my mates is rocking a 2080ti after picking one up from a friend who upgraded. Sent the video to him so he can see how it’s getting on! Good to see that it’s still holding on at 1440p, considering my mate plays at 1080p it should still be a strong card for that res for many years to come!
@RegalPixelKing
@RegalPixelKing 3 месяца назад
I'd say that the 20 series at launch MSRP was a total ripoff. But now in 2024 if you find a good price for it used it ironically gained value with each passing year in gaming because of DLSS. DLSS went from a bit of a mess in 1.0 to amazing visuals with no real noticeable loss in quality after 2.0 onwards launched with free 20% or more FPS.
@rotmistrzjanm8776
@rotmistrzjanm8776 3 месяца назад
Completly disagree - 2080TI was better deal at MSRP at launch than 3070 it was compared so much to
@kaydenmadency6448
@kaydenmadency6448 3 месяца назад
@@rotmistrzjanm8776what
@evan-du3vk
@evan-du3vk 3 месяца назад
For me was good deal I playing it for 6 years already. Waiting for next Gen card so maybe will be time to move on
@ij6708
@ij6708 3 месяца назад
​@@rotmistrzjanm8776 What are you smoking? the 2080ti was launched at $1200, barely an upgrade over the 1080ti promising RTX which was in zero games for a while and DLSS which looked like blurry mess. Whoever bought that card at launch was either ignorant or an idiot
@rotmistrzjanm8776
@rotmistrzjanm8776 3 месяца назад
@@ij6708 it had MSRP of 1000$. It was 30% faster than 1080ti. Plus if your target was 1440p ultra basically 2024 is the year when you need to go down to high. Now consider this - card is 5yo. That means if you are not accepting lowering down graphics quality it means it cost you 200$ per year. Well on same settings same performance but less vram 3070 lasted you 2 years so 250$ based on MSRP so that not only means that at the end of the day 3070 cost you more - you could get 2080ti 2years earlier and keep it one year longer meaning that it's lifespan was over double the 3070. Not to mention that if you were building high end PC (and you should considering that you are able to afford it to balance such powerfull card) it wasn't that much expencive addition %whise. Good deal doesn't mean cheap. Good deal means good amount of value pulled out of the product. Not to mention RTX tax beeing real. And I mean for real - wasn't the card same proces node? It had significantly greater die size to increase performance and fit those extra AI and RT cores.
@Ivan-pr7ku
@Ivan-pr7ku 3 месяца назад
The 2080 Ti was definitely less than expected upgrade over 1080 Ti by most metrics: VRAM size, basic pixel and compute throughput, but the more efficient architecture over time proved itself and that's besides AI and RT add-ons in the newer games. Nvidia had to make some performance compromises with Turing, since it was build on a similar manufacturing process with the same transistor destiny as for Pascal, while reserving space for all the new hardware features of the RTX line that were yet to bring tangible benefits. Ampere was much better balanced, but the price hikes tarnished its image for quite a while.
@tourmaline07
@tourmaline07 3 месяца назад
I think nVidia could have made the card 20% faster if they needed to , and that's why it got bad press being an incremental upgrade over the 1080ti
@EbonySaints
@EbonySaints 3 месяца назад
The thing was that Ampere was "supposed" to be a return to form in a way with the 3080 priced at $699. It's just that the second crypto boom and the Chinese death cold caused the cards and everything usable to be hiked to high heaven. The fact that everyone decided to just go ahead and pay those inflated prices either from drops or from scalpers along with the current AI boom have convinced Nvidia that normal prices were a dumb move and that we will never have decent prices for GPUs for the foreseeable future.
@Dave-dh7rt
@Dave-dh7rt 3 месяца назад
@@tourmaline07in this video its like 35-60% faster than the 1080 Ti
@arenzricodexd4409
@arenzricodexd4409 3 месяца назад
​@@Dave-dh7rtdepend on the game. Turing is proper DX12 card so it can take advantage things like async compute. 2060 for example about on par with 1080. But in game like doom 2016 that use async compute quite heavily 2060 easily come out ahead.
@XxGorillaGodxX
@XxGorillaGodxX 2 месяца назад
I think the manufacturing quirks you mentioned are the reason every Turing GPU die seems abnormally large compared to other generations. TU106 as found in the 2060 - 2070 is substantially larger than AD103 as found in the 4080 Super.
@dabwiso784
@dabwiso784 3 месяца назад
I'm new to PC gaming, probably a few years away from changing my card, but O love these videos for the history especially.
@ScoutReaper-zn1rz
@ScoutReaper-zn1rz 3 месяца назад
Excellent video! I upgraded from a 1080 Ti to a 2080 Ti just for Batman Arkham Knight. It was being touted as a 4K card and it lived up to it's reputation at the time. The only thing people didn't like was the price, myself included.
@dommerdom
@dommerdom 3 месяца назад
Your channel is great.
@Granox
@Granox 3 месяца назад
Banger music
@AZI3623
@AZI3623 3 месяца назад
Rtx 2080 ti Founders Edition was the best GPU design till date
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 3 месяца назад
Yeah, aesthetically clean as a whistle. Those ARC founders 770 cards I think it is look good too.
@Pokey_Turtle
@Pokey_Turtle 10 дней назад
Pre ordered the rtx 2080ti lol😅mine died in a day. Replacement still work though 👍Nvdia took a week of troubleshooting just to let me get a replacement.
@SFearox
@SFearox 3 месяца назад
I upgraded from a Evga GTX 1080 ti sc2 gaming to a Evga RTX 2080 ti XC for only 50euros last year. I got around 50-60% more perfomance so i think it was worth it. Paired with a Kraken G12 + Kraken X72 its running under 40C and 2115-2130mhz core, +1000mhz mem (samsung).
@tourmaline07
@tourmaline07 3 месяца назад
Good choice - those things are absolute monsters when OC , I had an air cooled copy (MSI Gaming X Trio) and got to 2025mhz on the core. The overclock headroom is massive to the extent you could call your card a RTX 2080ti SUPER 😂
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 3 месяца назад
When I add 1000Mhz to the memory on my 2060S it gets a big upgrade, it's Micron but it's the newer stuff than the early 2080tis had. I always wonder if Nvidia down clocking the RTX20 DDR6 chips was because they knew there was an issue or they just wanted to leave some performance on the table to make next gen seem stronger without giving anything extra, call me cynical 'n' all that.
@EhEhEhEINSTEIN
@EhEhEhEINSTEIN 3 месяца назад
No bad parts, only bad prices. Got my non-ti 2080 early 2019 for $400 and it's still my daily driver. Coming from a 980ti before that, I've been nothing but happy with it.
@widdly-scuds
@widdly-scuds 2 месяца назад
Been running a 2080 TI since 2020, bought just before the price hike. And it's still doing just fine today, 4k60 & 120 in some titles, stable VR, even taken me through 4 playthrough of cyberpunk on high with some rtx on. Best card I've owned honestly
@rmgaminguk7079
@rmgaminguk7079 3 месяца назад
Great video, love these comparisons. Its especially nice when you're reviewing my own GPU. When I was upgrading from a gtx 1080 I was dithering between the 2080TI, 3070 & RX 6700 XT and when a very reasonably price 2080TI came up on Facebook Marketplace it won. I only play at 1440p with Medium to High settings so I should get many years with the 2080Ti.
@donotatme
@donotatme 3 месяца назад
Currently still on a 2080Ti because I haven't had a great deal on the newer flagship cards yet, I didn't know early ones had VRAM issues! That explains some issues I am having, like infrequent weird glitching only in my webbrowser or sometimes even turning my entire monitor into a slideshow. It is the Palit Dual version with the garbage cooler and I thought the previous owner cooked it since it ran super hot, I got it super cheap so I don't mind the issues. 99% of the time it runs flawless anyway and I replaced the crappy fans and shroud with some decent 120mm fans and now the temps are even in check. Seeing these results, I should start to look for some newer cards!
@justhitreset858
@justhitreset858 3 месяца назад
Wait..how did you get DLSS in Helldivers 2? I thought it only used FSR 1.0 or a proprietary one that looks about the same as NIS or FSR 1.0?
@oppa793
@oppa793 3 месяца назад
got mine just recently for 300 euros, and while I had to replace the thermal paste because it was basically entirely gone, i'm pretty happy with it. i only really intend for it to be a temporary solution though, while saving up and waiting for rdna 4/ battlemage
@emircosic7860
@emircosic7860 3 месяца назад
sold my evga black series 2080ti the other day. what an amazing card honestly.
@fajaradi1223
@fajaradi1223 3 месяца назад
Ray tracing Ray tracing Ray tracing Nowhere to be seen
@ricardombr
@ricardombr 3 месяца назад
2:28 how about you watch the video though?
@Eleganttf2
@Eleganttf2 3 месяца назад
​@@ricardombrtoo hard for him
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech 27 дней назад
gimmick gimmick gimmick The more you buy the MOAR U SAVE!
@gottahavitvt
@gottahavitvt 14 дней назад
I just picked up a like new EVGA 2080 ti xc today for $200, i've had several 1080 TIs but this is my first 2080 ti
@uncookedpanzer6888
@uncookedpanzer6888 3 месяца назад
I remember gaming on a 5600G playing games like WarThunder, Mordhau CSGO and TF2 and being the happiest little gamer. This was during the scalpocalypse so buying a GPU was impossible, I only dreamed of getting a 1080 and never got to buying it as I thought a 3050 would be nice. (It most certainly was not)
@xaviert7093
@xaviert7093 3 месяца назад
I heard that the Samsung memory was the issue with the cards, is it micron or am I wrong?
@QuantumFantasy
@QuantumFantasy 2 месяца назад
I know everyone loves DLSS, but the fact that AMD is doing the heavy lifting to keep Nvidia's old cards relevant is just insane.
@timtoomuch
@timtoomuch 3 месяца назад
I went from a 2080ti to 3080ti to now a 4090 and I play 4k 144hrtz I havnt even found a game yet that maxes out the 4090 it's a beast and now 50 series is releasing its kinda crazy cards have come this far since the 2080ti it was a beast
@aldenkia
@aldenkia 3 месяца назад
Cyberpunk...
@XsaviXander
@XsaviXander 3 месяца назад
Cyberpunk will bring that 4090 to its knees. XD That game is super unoptimized.
@timtoomuch
@timtoomuch 3 месяца назад
@@XsaviXander yes cyberpunk is definitely an exception
@Pikmin3388
@Pikmin3388 3 месяца назад
@@timtoomuchdo you even get triple digits with rt on and no dlss with a 2000$ card? Cyberpunk is a joke
@timtoomuch
@timtoomuch 3 месяца назад
@@Pikmin3388 absolutely 144hrtz locked most games no dlss
@JAP917
@JAP917 Месяц назад
I jumped from a 980 Ti to the 2080 Ti FE, usually upgrading every other generation. The 2080Ti still serves me very well in my backup gaming rig on 1440p, and overclocks fairly well with a bios reflash to boost the wattage.
@windwalker8604
@windwalker8604 3 месяца назад
No way you uploaded this video as I just bought one yesterday as an upgrade from my 1050. The performance is about in between 3070 and 3070ti with more VRAM.
@789uio6y
@789uio6y 3 месяца назад
I still don't know why the f Nvidia didn't put more vram on 3060ti, 3070 and 3070ti. It makes 2080ti better than 3070 and 3070ti even though the performance is between 3070 and 3070ti, cause 2080ti hasn't that big vram problems of 3070 and 3070ti, it make 2080ti age better. Also 10gb 3080 is also laughble. 3000 series is vram limited, only 3080 12gb vram and above will stay in the future I think.
@windwalker8604
@windwalker8604 3 месяца назад
YES I agree, I would have gone with 3080 12 GB if I afforded it, I had to choose between 3060 12GB, 3070, and 3070ti and I eventually went with 2080ti as it popped up in my facebook marketplace for a really good price, the performance is amazing at the cost of some more power of course (250W peak) but I got so much value out of my money for the performance it gives. I even went with the MSI Gaming X trio which is around 7% faster than the base model and I guess with some custom OC I can get it up to 10%. heck it's around the performance of 4060ti 16GB with a 50% of the price.
@MauricioGMe
@MauricioGMe 3 месяца назад
@@windwalker8604Give undervolting a try, a good 2080ti will actually have a peak power of 300W stock like mine (aorus Xtreme) and it goes as high as 380w if i turn the power limit to 120%, but with an undervolt to around 875mV I can get clocks around 1900mhz and power never reaches 300w and in some games it never even goes to 200w, in some cases i have even beat the power efficiency and performance of the 3070ti stock.
@GeneralS1mba
@GeneralS1mba 3 месяца назад
​@@789uio6yPlanned obselescence maybe.
@coreyweaver1129
@coreyweaver1129 2 месяца назад
I'm currently using the 2080ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming and its an absolute beast of a card. I want to upgrade but just having a hard time finding a reason to give up this card.
@truthdoesnotexist
@truthdoesnotexist Месяц назад
I had a 1080 ti in my rig for blender and stable diffusion and upgraded to a 2080 ti and it's the best decision I ever made. stable diffusion went from taking 11 minutes to render and image down to 30 seconds. and blender went from 4 minutes on a complex frame down to 35 seconds. that's 7x faster in blender and 20x faster in stable diffusion. in llama 3 I got 80 tokens per second compared to 49, not a huge increase but still worth it for my workflow. those RT and tensor cores really make a huge difference
@MauricioGMe
@MauricioGMe 3 месяца назад
got a RTX 2080 ti Aorus xtreme for 250 usd about 9 months ago and it's been great upgrade from my old 2070. For the money I can't complain at all, it can undervolt to like 875mV and run the same clocks you see on this video but with 50w to 100w less power consumption and about 10°C less, amazing gpu!
@MauricioGMe
@MauricioGMe 3 месяца назад
Also my model has Samsung memory and can oc like crazy.
@mtgn59
@mtgn59 3 месяца назад
So I actually own one of these, (woulda watched the video regardless bc I’m just loving the content), but I kinda got screwed on the price. I bought off a friend for 600 at the end of 2022, but it was also a brand new card that hadn’t even been plugged in yet, and I honestly have had no problems with it. I upgraded from an RX 580 that I gave to my buddy so he could play some games, and honestly it’s been a blast. No issues in any games I’ve played, and I have a 1440p 165hz monitor and all my games look amazing. Only issue I have with it is where do I upgrade to next? I was thinking a used 3080 ti or 4070 when they come farther down on their used price, but overall I’m happy with my purchase, even if I coulda saved a couple hundred by waiting a few months. Great video btw!
@marknewellmusic
@marknewellmusic 3 месяца назад
Just to make you feel better... you really didn't get screwed on price - those of us buying RTX 3060 for £600 got screwed on price 0.o
@matthewhanson498
@matthewhanson498 3 месяца назад
I bought a reference 2070super and I have to say quite impressed with those. For 1080p gaming you wouldn’t need much more. My 3090 gets the same fps..just at 4k and twice the ray tracing. Still very impressed
@keerthan7558
@keerthan7558 3 месяца назад
With the on going increase in npus in newer cpus , some like apple M chips with machine learning , media engines etc I wonder if the games can take advantage of these tech to improve frame generation and ray tracing since it also requires deep learning , ai stuff that npus are efficient at handling.
@nickname8422
@nickname8422 2 месяца назад
I just bought a used FE 2080ti for 200 Euros. but you cant find ALOT in the range of 200-250.FE has just crappy temps, had to change termal paste and pads and undervoltet it, now its an awesome bang for the buck. Runs everything very smooth, have nearly the same setup as your test system, just the tomahawk and gskill ram with same stats. Glorious time to build a new pc, payed like 1200 Euros in total for an insane gaming performance.
@NKN27.
@NKN27. 2 месяца назад
I usually never make any comments on any videos. But man, your videos are amazing! Keep up the good work my bro!👍
@Waldherz
@Waldherz 3 месяца назад
Why do you put a DLSS Q label on the Helldivers 2 test for the 2080 ti? Helldivers 2 does not support DLSS. Its upscaling is based on FSR1.
@Kryptic1046
@Kryptic1046 3 месяца назад
I picked up one of these for $590 the day after the 30 series was announced right before the mining craze and it's still chugging along in my media PC in my living room. While it's mostly just a media playback GPU for me at this point, I do play the latest Forza on it quite a bit and it does a great job with it at a custom res of 3360x1890 at high settings. These days I probably wouldn't pay more than ~$280 for one of these as you can get a 6700XT new for $300 which has about the same level of performance, 1GB extra of VRAM and a warranty.
@EbonySaints
@EbonySaints 3 месяца назад
Smart man. I was thinking about picking up another 2080S or getting a Radeon VII for kicks around that time too. Hindsight and all that.
@m37zg3rch3n
@m37zg3rch3n 3 месяца назад
Still happy with my 2080ti playing 1440p. Waiting at least for rtx 5000 before thinking about an Upgrade
@SKHYJINX
@SKHYJINX 3 месяца назад
Snagged one from a mate and with some tweaks its extra rock solid... I already had a Kraken AIO adapter and 240mm AIO,...2080Ti does scale up well with clockspeed if you add a 350-370w vbios to tap into, sitting at 4K and im still not power limited with 2100Mhz coreclock at 1.0v (+135Mhz and Undervolted) i can push it to 2205Mhz fo quick OC in synthetic tests but for games at 1440p-4K itll hold 2100-2115Mhz almost all day. Mine is also a Micron VRAM based 2080Ti (+600Mhz VRAM MAX) and has been rock solid for at least 4 years...
@itsyaboikirbo
@itsyaboikirbo 3 месяца назад
how are the memory temps? if i remember correctly there isnt direct cooling on the mem chips with the nzxt adapters
@SKHYJINX
@SKHYJINX 3 месяца назад
@@itsyaboikirbo I added a fan on the underside providing basic airflow, and my VRAM is Micron not Samsung so I can only squeeze +600 vram not the 800-1000+ Samsung VRAM chips get to.. But yeah I've added airflow to my underside ram chips, never had any issues in 4 years of using it this way 👍
@blakeparry1983
@blakeparry1983 3 месяца назад
quite liked the card when i had one, 3070 performance with additional Vram for newer titles
@lBluePhoenixl
@lBluePhoenixl 2 месяца назад
bought a blower stly one for 200$ on the used market. no regrets upgrading from 1080
@Fadingfool
@Fadingfool 3 месяца назад
Only just upgraded from the 1080Ti - lately having to dial down the settings at 1440p was the main reason. Pretty sure with better driver optimisation it could still shine but obviously not in NVidia 's interest. Got a cashback deal on the 7800XT as a replacement (still not overly bothered about ray tracing though the 7800XT is fine outside of pathtracing).
@younousyoutoube
@younousyoutoube 3 месяца назад
Pascal and Polaris were such a blessed gen, still have my RX 480 and my friend his GTX 1060. Great times, great prices.
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 3 месяца назад
I went from Haswell (GTX770) to a 1060 6GB, to say there was a jump in performance and a cut in my electricity bill is no exaggeration. Games literally went from looking dated to modern in an instant, and ran at higher FPS and resolution, detail etc. I bought the card because at the time the first crypto boom was mostly affecting AMD prices, the 1060 was almost half the price of an RX580.
@bryanwages3518
@bryanwages3518 3 месяца назад
Modders have managed to get resizable bar enabled for rtx 2000 and gtx 1660 cards. But it's pretty complicated to get it to run.
@BuzzBazzJ
@BuzzBazzJ 3 месяца назад
Thank you. I got a second hand STRiX 2080Ti last summer, and while the previous owner stated some electrical gremlins, the price of about 350$ was acceptable. At least I can now feel a little better about my purchase and hope it lasts a while before I need to go for something newer. I just wish for a properly priced 5000 series, making the used market take a dump. If I can get a equivalent xx70/xx80 card with more than 11GB of VRAM I might just give away my 2080ti to make it right.
@lovegamesandtrains3194
@lovegamesandtrains3194 3 месяца назад
I have a 1080 ti and i play at 1080p so it has no problem running anything i play at med or higher setting (cities skylines 2 and forza motorsport 8 are both hard on my old pascal)
@skorpysk
@skorpysk 3 месяца назад
idk whatsup with your 1080ti mate but mine has been running avg of 70fps on max settings in helldivers, without fsr and when streaming using nvenc, it's never gone below 62
@nicktayloriv310
@nicktayloriv310 2 месяца назад
I bought an open box FE (nothing wrong with it) when it was about a year or so old. Still have it. I don't run it but I still have it.
@nateo200
@nateo200 24 дня назад
Jealous lol. I have a 3060Ti but I sorta wish I grabbed a used 2080Ti FE or a 2080 Super FE. Love the design of the 20 series
@nicktayloriv310
@nicktayloriv310 23 дня назад
@@nateo200 at the time I wasn't as PC parts savvy as I am now, a friend of mine that is a Gamer egged me on to buy it. That's what friends are for! 👱🏻‍♂👲🏽
@TheFenecFox
@TheFenecFox 3 месяца назад
I know this is a stupid question, but what software do you use on the top left to record FPS? I have an Intel Arc A770 that I REALLY want to benchmark for everyone given how new Intel is to the game
@AIt-Girl
@AIt-Girl 3 месяца назад
Its called MSI Afterburner 😄
@masterpainter78
@masterpainter78 4 дня назад
I had that 2080Ti playing Cyberpunk 2077 in 1440p with RT on at good frame rates, not surprised its doing just fine these days with the newer games. Although I am not really impressed by much of the newer games, they need optimization not just in graphics performance but in the most important feature of all, fun.
@darthpotwet2668
@darthpotwet2668 3 месяца назад
I think ultra quality is just dlaa, back in January the finals had a similar option that was just replaced by dlaa now
@FluffyPuppyKasey
@FluffyPuppyKasey 3 месяца назад
For the Avatar benchmark, as an Unreal Engine developer myself - yes, ultra quality IS an option and is exposed in the DLSS SDK, but it's just a placeholder and I guess never got removed when DLAA got an actual name
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 3 месяца назад
it has been in the DLSS API for a looong time already.
@JimmiG84
@JimmiG84 2 месяца назад
It runs at native resolution and only uses DLSS for anti-aliasing. I think it's a better name, because DLAA could either mean Deep Learning Anti Aliasing or Directionally Localized Anti-Aliasing.
@cosmicusstardust3300
@cosmicusstardust3300 3 месяца назад
my First PC had a Radeon VII then moved to the 2080 Ti then in 2022 moved to the 6950 XT :3
@gibbalite6004
@gibbalite6004 3 месяца назад
Please do a video on the rtx 2080! it is a forgotten card, and you can get it quite cheap on the markeplace
@user-zi2rq2bi1p
@user-zi2rq2bi1p 3 месяца назад
You know it's bad when the sells number were so low. that the average price for the 20 series Founder edition cards on flea market are now way more expensive than 30 series FE now days
@hasnihossainsami8375
@hasnihossainsami8375 3 месяца назад
The 2080Ti holding up in today's games is an example of hardware with features way ahead of it's time. Of course, the 2080Ti was the better buy, 6 years later, but hindsight is 20/20, and Nvidia's execution of DLSS and RT was near flawless. People who bought into the $1000 card for something that they wouldn't find useful for the next 3-4 years must've felt pretty bad. Heck, even the 3070 barely outcompetes the 2080Ti except in scenarios where VRAM is insufficient.
@evan-du3vk
@evan-du3vk 3 месяца назад
How you don't find use for it?? . It was still the fastest card those days. Especially when you have 3440x1440 monitor and at last 100 hz. And not ever person is buying new card with every generation
@wileymanful
@wileymanful 3 месяца назад
Wait, how are you running DLSS in helldivers 2?
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech 3 месяца назад
Typo. I copied and pasted the text boxes. 🤦‍♂️
@redhoodedduke9967
@redhoodedduke9967 3 месяца назад
Possibly stupid question, but how did you get DLSS on Helldivers 2? The only upscaling I’ve seen is a render slider
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech 3 месяца назад
Typo, mate
@noobie6516
@noobie6516 3 месяца назад
What is the music used in the video?
@HardRockFairytale
@HardRockFairytale 3 месяца назад
Sitting here with my old trusty gtx 980 Ti wondering if I should upgrade to a 2080 ti og 3070? Which would you recommend? The newer 3070 or the bigger vram 2080 Ti? I am playing in 1440p
@dimitardimitrov1323
@dimitardimitrov1323 3 месяца назад
Hi,I was in the same dilemma like you😂 and decided to go with the 2080ti,I have no regrets,a lot of games now days use more than 8gb of vram even a at 1440p...
@DeepteshLovesTECH
@DeepteshLovesTECH 3 месяца назад
The value proposition of the 2080Ti came through much later down the years with more demanding rendering techniques and success/evolution of DLSS !!
@GameCookerUSRocks
@GameCookerUSRocks 3 месяца назад
I still have an Asus rog RTX 2080 Ti I bought in 2018. It's still going strong. Especially when you pair it with a good strong CPU. I don't have any regrets.
@zhayward3190
@zhayward3190 3 месяца назад
Its really sad that devs aren't bothering to optimize for native resolution anymore and using upscaling garbage
@hasnihossainsami8375
@hasnihossainsami8375 3 месяца назад
Game optimization is kinda dead. Games are much bigger and more complex than ever before, so optimising for every possible combination of hardware is getting increasingly difficult, time-consuming, and resource intensive. Though we really should first determine what good optimisation means. A game using console levels of VRAM on PC isn't a sign of bad optimization, for example. Whereas VRAM consumption staying largely unchaged even if settings are reduced from max to lowest is a sign of bad optimization.
@Rooachie
@Rooachie 3 месяца назад
Play forbidden west. Best optimized game i played in 10 years
@Eleganttf2
@Eleganttf2 3 месяца назад
You want us to keep brute forcing using traditional method and increases power consumption ? Then go buy a high end card if you don't want to use upscaling lol
@Nucleosynthese
@Nucleosynthese 3 месяца назад
The newer DLSS versions are actually pretty impressive to be fair.
@deroger612
@deroger612 3 месяца назад
@@Nucleosynthesehe never said its garbage but if you cant play a game properly on good hardware without upscaling thats no good sign at least for me
@blanketmobbypants
@blanketmobbypants 2 месяца назад
I come to learn but more importantly hear that theme song. It’s so smooth
@Castaa
@Castaa 3 месяца назад
Last summer I bought a used 2080 Ti. Surprisingly, the 2080 Ti had the highest used price to performance at the ~$300 price point at the time. (Not taking into account its power usage cost.) I had been using AMD GPUs for almost 10 years before that.
@corndog9482
@corndog9482 5 дней назад
I paid $280 for my 2080 Ti two years ago. It's been great.
@therapistcarl8004
@therapistcarl8004 Месяц назад
How'd u get dlss on Helldivers ??
@pandabee8216
@pandabee8216 3 месяца назад
You were struggling on helldivers with the ship😭
@DBZash_FR
@DBZash_FR 3 месяца назад
Maybe using XeSS instead of FSR would have been relevant in some titles for the 1080 ti or am I mistaken ?
@Roman00744
@Roman00744 3 месяца назад
Bought an EVGA FTW3 2080ti last year or year before for a collection when 1 popped up on my local marketplace for a very nice price. Still looking for a 1080ti Kingpin or at least FTW3, lol saw a few 1080ti FTW3 for sale but they wanted 2080ti money so passed on that.
@Eric-ct2ri
@Eric-ct2ri 3 месяца назад
1200$ 999$ was the suposed aib price but we all know they wanted the same 1200$ nvidia founder price or more.
@wertywerrtyson5529
@wertywerrtyson5529 3 месяца назад
Yeah at least in my territory they were all 1200 or more. That seemed like a lot at the time. I got the 2070 at the time. It was a fair bit more expensive than I had paid for the 1070 a few years earlier.
@nguyehung8290
@nguyehung8290 3 месяца назад
how the hell are your videos so high quality?
@jayb2705
@jayb2705 3 месяца назад
I had both. The issue with the 2080Ti was the slight performance increase but with a giant price increase. We were paying for being the first adopters of RT, and with the card having no answer from AMD and coming off a bitcoin mining boom that saw people pay silly prices for cards, Nvidia could charge what they wanted.
@batman-rebirth5217
@batman-rebirth5217 3 месяца назад
the 2080 ti is the equivalent of a 3070
@psylina
@psylina 3 месяца назад
Slightly better, way better oc potential and more vram
@789uio6y
@789uio6y 3 месяца назад
It's better, when we talk about vram, it's way better. Nvidia limit almost all 3000 series card with vram. Only 3080 12gb module and beyond are not obsolete.
@laszlozsurka8991
@laszlozsurka8991 2 месяца назад
2080 Ti is faster than a 3070 when games exceed over 8 GB utilization.
@psylina
@psylina 2 месяца назад
@@laszlozsurka8991 and can be faster than a oc'd 3070 with the right cooling
@Order..66
@Order..66 3 месяца назад
What music do you use for your videos? I really like it.
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech 3 месяца назад
Intro is Unicorn Heads - 808 Doorbell Chime, the rest is in the description ☝
@Order..66
@Order..66 3 месяца назад
@@IcebergTech thank you. The amount of time and effort you put into your videos is incredible.
@ranjitmandal1612
@ranjitmandal1612 3 месяца назад
😮
@hyperturbotechnomike
@hyperturbotechnomike 3 месяца назад
The 20 series marked the beginning of the end of sane pricing and as such will never be remembered well by me. My favourite nVidia card is still the GTX 770 4GB, because it had an awesome price and my entry to 4K gaming.
@fVNzO
@fVNzO 3 месяца назад
Well the true end of good pricing was the GTX 680, that launched the entire mid range as a high end product marketing scheme both companies eventually went with. That's where the true beginning of the end happened.
@v5k456jh3
@v5k456jh3 3 месяца назад
4K on a 770? Was it 4K tetris or solitaire? xD
@_qwe_fk_1700
@_qwe_fk_1700 3 месяца назад
@@v5k456jh3 i swear people here are making the most delusional comments lol
@hyperturbotechnomike
@hyperturbotechnomike 3 месяца назад
@@v5k456jh3 When the 770 came out in 2013, it was surprisingly good at 4K for a 340 euro card. I remember playing Metro 2033 on it and similar games. The original GTA V ran around ~50fps in 4K (ingleplayer, very high). The last CoD game i ever played was MW2 and it ran too. The 4GB VRAM was a lot back then. Only STALKER lost alpha was a bit stuttery, because it was a pretty unoptimised game, running poorly even on modern systems. The card was obsolete at around 2017, at least for 4K. I passed it down to my sister in law which played in 1080p for a while.
@mitsuhh
@mitsuhh 3 месяца назад
@@v5k456jh3 I can tell you're a kid :)
@fairwarning17
@fairwarning17 3 месяца назад
expensive? yes. but for my was the gpu that last the long before thinking about an upgrade. a ftw3 ultra (samsung memory) since launch 2018 and retiring (to another pc) 2024-ish mostly because of vram limitations on 3440x1440 for an used rtx 3090 strix
@leeebbrell9
@leeebbrell9 2 месяца назад
I'm still running a 2080ti, looking to replace with 5090 when it arrives
@PixelShade
@PixelShade 3 месяца назад
I wish you focused more in "high settings" rather than "ultra" as that setting doesn't make a lot of sense for older cards, or just for games in general. Even though I have a RX6800 I tend to focus on an optimized mix that will yield better performance without any perceptual loss to image quality. This usually results in settings close to the "high preset" not the "ultra" preset.
@hrayz
@hrayz 3 месяца назад
When the RT tests come out, please compare First Gen RTX to First Gen RT Radeon. 2080ti vs some Radeon 6000s. How do they actually compare?
@f0x4nn3
@f0x4nn3 3 месяца назад
it seem to thermal throttle a tiny bit when it gets above 80c
@derenbong6060
@derenbong6060 2 месяца назад
Once u remove the power limiter, it can be overclocked to 3080 performance
@memonrunescape
@memonrunescape 3 месяца назад
I got a 2080ti at launch and it had bad memory, returned it and the retailer replaced it and that had bad memory aswell rip
@barrylarry_7493
@barrylarry_7493 2 месяца назад
I have a 2070s which runs all the games I play at reasonably high frame rate and without making compromises in settings on 1080p. I can only imagine the 2080ti would be reasonably better
@karelkrejci2244
@karelkrejci2244 3 месяца назад
idk if that´s interesting but maybe you could do another comparison like this but with the GTX 980 ti to the GTX 1080 ti
@tomthomas3499
@tomthomas3499 3 месяца назад
Horizon forbidden west is such a beautiful game even without over reliance on RT or upscalers.
@edragyz8596
@edragyz8596 3 месяца назад
For full transparency, I haven't watched a single second yet. I just wanna bring something up and see if it gets mentioned. We're all semi aware of die scaling and how it relates to cost/yields right? The 2080 Ti is a 754 mm^2 die, literally more than double the size of a 1080 Ti die. Except unlike a Pascal GPU where the majority of the die is Cuda (Integer and FP cores), in a Turing GPU parts of the die are reserved for RT and Tensor cores. This means unless those cores are active, that extra die space is "wasted." That's why it seems like such bad value, because it's BIGGER than a 3090 TI, BIGGER than a 4090, in order to be the first RTX GPU and still outperform the 1080 Ti. Edit: Not to mention the similar TDP. Big die means big power draw, and at double the size the 2080 Ti draws the same power.
@m8x425
@m8x425 3 месяца назад
That's right. Bigger die = Much, much higher cost. Less cuts from the wafer compounded by poorer yields. Nowadays, the same size wafer costs a lot more, while Nvidia is paying through the nose for an N4 wafer. Higher TDP = Beefier PCB and VRM's. TDP and power consumption on the other hand will depend on die size, transistor count, architecture, clock frequencies, and overall how the GPU is being used. Also, the 2080ti consumes anywhere from 20w to 50w more than a 1080ti, despite the TDP figures. And that's why it irritates the shit out of me when a RU-vidr says Nvidia made a mistake with the 1080ti, which they all seem to believe. We ended up getting charged $500 more for something that was in development and not readily usable. I would have rather had more CUDA cores and I would have been more than happy to deal with a card that has a higher TDP. The 1080ti was the end of the era of Brute Force through shader cores. The reason Nvidia released the 1080ti was not to counter VEGA, but because their product channel had become backed up. The ideal turn-around from when a card is manufactured to being sold is 6-8 weeks, which at that time cards sales were going beyond that. They were not selling as many Pascal cards as they had projected. At that time there were rumors of a mid-cycle refresh. But then the 2017-2018 Mining boom happened and this turned everything around.
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