@@KeyIssues Great video, in honesty, I believe Zeus in god of war he may be more powerful than Odin in raw powers, but Odin seem to have powerful Hex abilities more than Zeus Himself!?🤔😏 And remember in this game , it stated when their was talking about the Greek gods sisters of the fate and of their powers, their said that the Norse gods doesn't have those abilities and the Greek gods seem to be more powerful than the Norse gods. Kratos whatever his name is ? Said yes he deal with powerful gods and he used to have those powers to stop them., but when ask can he summon those powers again Kratos say he couldn't and their was saying maybe because the Greek gods seem to be no more and the power some how go away or got lost. And the headless guy said that's probably be the best. Because it's to much powers for anyone to have. .
I love how GOW Odin isn't designed as a muscular giant like Marvel Odin, He actually looks like a man who would fool you with his looks, He is a wolf in Sheeps clothings always pulling strings, manipulating people and using them for his personal gains, They also focus a lot in his obsession with knowledge
Even beyond looking like a skinny old guy, his voice and appearance are so plain. Even if a villain doesn't have an air of menace through size, typically there is some physical traits or how they carry themselves to make them stand, like Griffith's looks or how Frieza is dripping with evil despite his small size. But Odin just looks like some random old man. Even when the MCU didn't make a muscular giant he still had this regal air to him. But God Of War's Odin has more of the air of a businessman or a mob boss than a king.
@@KeyIssues I agree, it some Tail & myths other believe that Odin was a wizard or a wizard who's stated that he was Odin. Anyway 9 outta 10 it seem some don't really talk about the physics of Odin. So I really didn't care how Odin look like in this game.
I appreciate that they made the enemies feel like legit threats to Kratos that required him to seriously try. Like don’t get me wrong I love be a good Kratos beat down but forcing him to exert himself and put effort into getting his wins made them actually feel rewarding. It was nice to see that Odin at times was someone not even Kratos could handle alone. Gave weight to the story and fights. Weight that a lot of characters seem to lose especially when the fans get involved with their kinda creepy obsession.
@@ghostamity5116 its stated that kratos is getting stronger as he ages and that he most likely has surpassed zeus possibly before his corruption the reason he went for odin is he was a threat to atreus along with everyone and he wanted justice for brok by the end but at no point do we see kratos unleash his full strength in GOW ragnarok because for him to do it he would have to let go of control like he used to in GOW2 and 3 which isen't safe considering his rage would likely result in him killing all the aesir and vanir who even spoke a word out of turn about anything like young kratos was unhinged at best downright evil at worst since in his rage he killed all of the gods titans and genocided greece its like he said to mimir when speaking about not wanting to be the general he diden't want to cus he is 1 rather spent from the dreadful person he used to be and hates war and his old self after greece 2 if he loses control he is a danger to literally everyone including his own son and he already lost 1 family he probs can't take losing a second
Very true! Literally everywhere people comment about Kratos holding back like nothings a threat. Yea he might hold back his rage but he has other traits now, like a purpose to protect his son and others he cares about and you can see he is really concerned sometimes for real when things seem to go badly. He is absolutely giving his very best in the these fights and he is confirmed to be stronger than ever
I’d also note that in one of Mimir’s tales, Odin and Thor combined were able to kill Surtur during the battle of Ragnarok; meaning the Ragnarok Beast was whom they fought. Which is certainly very impressive for both Allfather and Thunder God. Kratos also mentions he can’t think of any more formidable ally then Freya and that she’s Odin’s most lethal enemy (which you could argue would put her above Sigrun who is > Baldur and could potentially kill Odin) All in all, Odin is a fucking menace
Very good points! People down play him because of the way he looks, acts, and talks. Both games continually tell you how insanely powerful Odin is but everyone chooses to ignore that
@@KeyIssues in general I feel the Norse side gets downs played pretty badly tbh. Sure, they’re not scrapping with Zeus but based off what we have, they’re pretty high up in the Greek pantheon (arguably Odin and Thor are up there with Hades and Poseidon in strength) The issue is definitely hax, albeit Odin and Freya mitigate that by their mastery of Magic that can do anything from taking over your mind, causing curses and manipulating time
To be fair, it's revealed in the storyline that most if not all of the murals across the Realms were false prophecies designed to trick the Aesir into anticipating a fake future. So maybe in the Ragnarok War, Thor and Odin would fight the Ragnarok Beast but fail in stopping him.
@@BlankEmporium it’d likely be Ragnarok The prophecy mentions that Surtur and Sinmara merge to burn Asgard for Ragnarök, considering Mimir’s take alluded to Surtr burning Asgard in Ragnarök I think it’s clear the fusion happened and that’s what Odin and Thor back-scale too It also makes sense since Ingrid could match Ragnarök’s sword and we see Mjolnir match that blade during the bar fight in Asgard
I love how after all the lore and hype building over Odin in the 2018 game he's revealed in Ragnarok to be some meek old guy who runs Asgard like a business. I just found that to be a great change of pace with what we've come to expect with all-powerful top tier gods in the God of War games.
i think that's why odin wanted tyr to shutup and stop exploring he knew that the greeks romans egyptians and japanese god's are most likely like the greek pantheon inherently stronger i also think the timeframe matters cus if you look at the norse and greek pantheon's really odin isen't zeus's equivilent he is kronos's so for him to be as weak as he was in all aspects it shines a light on the norse pantheon as abit below average when it comes to the beings we have seen
He also punctured straight through thor with a single spear thrust, and though thor was off guard, Draupnir has been shown to stab him as well as Kratos' other weapons, and only Odin's Gungnir was strong enough to kill him in one strike. Sure, an argument could be made that Thor was already weakened and defeated by Kratos, but that shouldn't undersell the power required to kill Thor in one stab.
I was thinking about how powerful Odin is with Gungnir or how powerful is his spear because of this. Cause Kratos stabbed and slashed Thor with both the Leviathan Axe and the Blades of Chaos but they seemingly had little effect on Thor. Odin's spear on the other hand, took out Thor with one well placed thrust.
also he striked him precisely where it would be a killing blow, we've seen gods get stabbed before but a lot of the times it wasn't enough, kratos got stabbed close to the heart by freya, thor almost got gutted by kratos, but neither were killing blows, he's calculated everything he can
Because Kratos did not go for a killing blow. He could've killed Thor but he didn't. Since he left Greece, he has never wanted to kill anyone, those he killed forced him into that position.
@@fissilewhistle+ This is a VERY overlooked and slept on point. I really do feel most people miss this and that's a shame because it's an incredible feat in and of itself.
I don’t think Freya actually broke the guardian shield, it just wasn’t fully closed when she swung down her sword at Kratos. If I’m not mistaken, you see the guardian shield is completely fine in the fight against Thor until Thor breaks it
Zeus was portrayed more over the top and fantastical with his powers while Odin is more grounded because the previous games and the new ones have different tones. If we scaled up Odin to the craziness of the first few GOW games he’d probably be just as bonkers and over the top as Zeus was or vice versa 😊
VERY much this. Especially when you consider that Kratos has been confirmed multiple times by the game's developers to be more powerful now than ever - which makes sense since as an Olympian God, he grows in power as he ages.
@justinanderson2460 he has also been stated multiple times to be holding back. Old kratos with young kratos mentality would massacre everyone but that's not what the games are about anymore.
exactly! this is what ive been saying...the games are totally different in tone...even kratos doesnt double jump mid air or quickly roll around...the old games were wayy more flashy and anime-like, which made them look more powerful, but in a 1 v 1 fight, thor would slap any greek god except zeus
This is the proper answer The old series in greece is just more over the top and grand in scale Norse one is more grounded and overall tame in its presentation
@@VoidBL I have to disagree. Knowing Baulder was immortal and trying to kill his son, I need to see proof he's actually stronger and not just holding back. I mean, Atreus killed a god with his mother's knife. Atreus must be a strong fucking child or that knife more powerful than mjoilnir.
The Norse Gods are underrated because the new God of War games are more story-driven and don't have the bloody hack 'n slash combat from the previous games, but when it comes to actual feats, statements and lore they are more than a match for any Greek God. I do believe Odin and Zeus are around the same level of power.
everyone looks deceptively weaker in the new games because the graphics and physics are more realistic too, in the old games kratos swung around the blades like they were paper, but in the new ones they have weight and seem more tangible, which some people misinterpret as kratos struggling to swing his weapons
@@333dae thats because this now is an old kratos, no longer imbued with the godly strengths given to him or taken from the greek gods and can empower there own users, hades claws is already an example of this with him absorbing the power and strength of hades and ability to summon souls of things he killed, and many more like atlas quake that can have him create seismic shockwaves that could make the richter scale go crazy.
That's just it though. More flashy does not translate into more powerful but most people are too ignorant (or don't think enough) to realise/understand that. I agree with you and thank you for bringing this up.
@@jadeimingan184+ This is objectively incorrect. Kratos in GoW 1-3 was personally quite a bit weaker than he was in the Norse Realms. Olympian Gods grow in power as they age which means Kratos is more powerful now than ever. . The issue concerning Kratos' magic and artifacts etc is different. You have to remember that Kratos had a LOT of help in God of War 1-3. Even his muliple resurrections involved help from others. He was constantly being given power-ups, artifacts, weapons and magical abilities from first Gods and then later from Titans. This is the ONLY reason he was able to make it all the way through the Pantheon. Without the aid of both other Gods and Titans (as well as the power/abilities and weapons/artifacts he looted from dead foes) he would have died multiple times over - and stayed dead. In fact, many of the bosses he faced, he objectively would not have been able to defeat without certain relics and/or powers he'd previously looted and/or been gifted. . This actually plays into why Kratos was unable to summon the magic he used to wield back in the Greek Lands. All of the beings and sources of power that granted him those abilities were all dead... because, y'know... he killed them all. As we saw at the end of GoW of War 3 (and in various stages throughout the game and it's prequals), with the death of Zeus and all the other Gods and Titans that died, all of their works came undone and the world itself was literally coming apart. Most of it was all but destroyed - rendered back to its primordial, chaotic state from before even the Titans came and imposed the very first layer of order upon the world. The Olympians then rose up, took the mantle and ordered the world even further. When they all died, that order was broken. This is what Freya was referring to when she said that magic is tied to the Earth and that with the destruction of the Greek Lands, it is likely that the source of his power was also destroyed. She was more correct than she realised as there is a direct correlation between the works of the Olympians/Titans and the state of the world in Greece. . However, that still doesn't make him weaker than he is when we see him in 2018 and Ragnarok. Kratos holds back more in 2018 and Ragnarok than he ever did in GoW 1-3 where he was going all out all the time and never held back at all. Kratos in the Norse Lands has his own share of weapons and artifacts as well as even a degree of magic by the time he hits the endgame stages so not being able to summon his old powers/items/abilities from Greece is a moot point. Moreover, Kratos now as an individual outside of all the other crap is definitely more powerful now than he ever has been. . Even if none of that was a factor though, the game's developers have already confirmed multiple times that Kratos is more powerful in the Norse Realms than he has ever been. This again, makes sense because being an Olympian God, Kratos will only continue to grow in power as he ages. He IS still the Olympian God of War after all.
@@justinanderson2460 bunch of feats shown in game and during cutscenes. He can grow to the size of a titan, effortlessly one shots Gaia who would likely be similar to Ymir, ends the Great War by essentially nuking the titans, and he was able to beat Kratos on two occasions.
@@justinanderson2460 Feats, the man wiped all the titans in a single strike. This was consistent all throughout seeing as even Poseidon who is weaker than Zues was able to oneshot a titan. By aiming his lightning bolt in the general direction of kratos and Gaia, he instant blows them away breaking gaias arm. Needless to say, he wasnt aiming at her. Zues is too strong, in conventional power? No contest. Worse if you give him the blade of olympus. At that point, no debate. However, Odin has alot of magic, that shit can allow him hax to counter the brute power Zues has. With prep, Odin can win since l can see him binding zues with some hax and calling it a day. Zues isnt as smart to see through the trickster
The Norse gods are losing to the Olympians ten to one there's less Norse gods than theirs Olympian gods and the Olympians are just as haxs as the Norse gods the only difference is they don't have the word spells like it's Harry Potter or anything like that y'all must have forgot what Aries did to Kratos in the first God of War when he had him in that whole pocket Dimension he didn't have to say an incantation or spell just to have that effect happen and the Olympians were known for laying curses on their worshipers that they felt wrong them Like Medusa or Prometheus. And even mimir has already stated that based off the rumors that the gods of Greece had magic that was basically Superior to theirs they couldn't even believe that the sisters of Fate of Greece had the power to even manipulate time whereas in their version couldn't control time they could just tell someone they're fate and it's up to that person depending on their decision making of their future for an example how they told Freya that her son would die a needless death yet the future was only solidified when Freya made it worse by placing that spell on her son,
This video helped put things into perspective a little because I was struggling to see past Odin's relatively smaller frame compared to Kratos in the Ragnarok fight scene. It looked weird to see three whole gods struggling to take Odin down yet it only took one god to defeat Zeus, who seemed way more powerful and was much bigger. The final battle honestly looked like three people beating up an old man, lol. But it seems that Odin's predominant powers are his reservoir of magical skills and his cunning. 90% of his final fight consisted of spells and incantations rather than hand-to-hand combat.
@@Ancient_Tribesman Very true! Also, Odin is very smart to know when to fight and when to retreat. He retreated from Jötunheim because he knew he would be overwhelmed on that occasion but he stayed and fought both Kratos and Atreus who was arguably OP in his own right at that time. That is despite knowing literally everything about Kratos from Greece and in GOW 2018. Still Odin was confident in his abilities to face them there. He showed no fear whatsoever when confronting Thor in front of Kratos, he was just angry with haha. After Atreus broke the mask I think he was consumed by anger and despair, like everything he worked for was for nothing and didn't care too much so he just fought and was eventually overpowered by all three
I hope im not too late, but PLEASE do a powerscaling video on Freya! Please. She gets hyped up alot and im curious just how powerful she is when compared to the other gods and who she can beat. Keep up the content please 🙏
@@KeyIssues don’t say maybe, please do it. Not only would you gain a lot of views but us would would enjoy the content. We deserve that Christmas/New years present as long time subscribers. Happy New Years🥳🖤
I'm sure we'll get one at some point but I'd prefer that@@KeyIssues worked up to it over time after scaling through the rest of the Gods, Titans and monsters etc so we have some context and history behind it when it finally comes. That would make the video so much more rewarding and satisfying to watch in my opinion.
Finally odin get the respect that he deserves I seen so many people downplay him so badly to a point where people would say Zeus would low-neg diff odin that can be further from the truth
100% agree with this but it always seems to happen amongst the majority of people. Flashier does not necessarily mean more powerful but most people never even consider that. Instead the general mindset seems to be "big blast = most powerful ever!!" Which is silly.
Strongest yet. Them Egyptian gods do weird shit. I remember someone got chopped into pieces. His wife and mother found them. Put them back together with the head of a bird.
I hate how people just think the Greek gods beat the Norse. It’s already said that Kratos is stronger when fighting the Norse gods and he couldn’t even beat baldur without a mistletoe, Heimdall without a spear that was made to beat him because NO ONE believed Kratos could even hit him without it, beat Odin without the help of Atreus and Freya and even Thor canonically kills him in game. The Norse gods are just too powerful but I’m glad you kinda mentioned it. I see people comparing Heimdall to Hermes when Kratos didn’t even see Hermes as a threat and no diffed him but you had to create a new weapon to even touch Heimdall.
Pretty much it's close between the Norse and Greek I'll break it down Pretty much at the top is hope kratos and fear Zeus and Odin since Odin is stated equal to Zeus and above all the Norse gods and Zeus is stated above all the Greek gods,and hope kratos just smashed fear Zeus so that explains that. Then next it's debatable but base gow 3 kratos and gow ragnarok kratos they should be around the same level. Base Zeus and Freya will be here. Next is Thor,Posiden,Hercules,and hades. Thor is stated around posidens level but he is implied to be stronger than him. Hades is stated around the level of posiden. Hercules was able to actually match gow 3 kratos witch this is stated and this is impressive as kratos just straight up overpowered hades. Hemidall should also be around here as mimir and everyone thought kratos needed the spear to beat hemidall and that without it he'd lose. Hemidall was also able to harm kratos and block attacks from him. Then the lower gods like. ares,Athena,Helios,Hermes and Baldur. Baldur is kinda fodder he's stated slower then Hermes witch is really bad for him as ares is stated the 4th strongest and then Athena is stated around the level of ares and then helios is stated above Hermes. Also forgot to add freyr he with his sword should probably be around the Thor or Freya level his sword was able to hold off an attack from sutur the same guy who can destroy asgard with one attack and he kills Odin and Thor. Sutur should be up there with Odin and Zeus.
Why do you think Freya broke the shield? I don't think she did. I would say that it didn't close fully due to bad timing or Kratos left a gap on purpose to trap the sword.
I think final part was too rushed, we could have loki take a small fight with thrud while angrboda assit before she leaving and maybe thor could swing his last hammer throw to save kratos from odin sneak attack because i think that something he would do not just randomly appear in a battlefield.
Literally my favorite portrayal of Odin! The actor is so freaking awesome in the role, he killed it! Idc what anyone says about it. Santa Monica literally gave us the Odin they set up, he played this perfectly!
Okay lets put it this way, even though he straight up sucker killed Thor, he still one shotted Thor who could hold his own and overpower Kratos on their confrontations, it took 3 powerful gods in their own right to finally defeat him, as well as a plot device that was so dear to him to be destroyed.
Lets take a few things into consideration that were left out. Statements have stated that kratos is heavily holding back in both games for the entire duration. Going off of logic and character statements kratos is trying to let everyone he fights live further adding to the statement of kratos holding back. You also have to take into the facts we were presented with in the last game, being that gods who reject their nature are weakened. Kratos in both games has proven that by rejecting his role as god of war, in his fight against bauldur he needed to focus on healing and was extremely exhausted despite not really exerting himself, this was also focused in the second game where due to his stress and rejection of his godhood he was tired for the first time and desperately needed rest. Also its shown that he can control himself to such a degree that what looks like a hard punch doesnt even scratch a wall. Kratos is definitely way stronger but he also holds back far more than ever before and has a weaker arsenal than ever before.
Kratos is stronger than the Norse pantheon, but way weaker than his younger, more aggressive version. Greek Kratos literally solo'd Zeus and Gaia at the same time. Norse Kratos' biggest solo win was probably Thor
@@Malthizar Kratos is canonically stronger than his younger self. The Greek Gods get stronger with age. Norse Kratos is simply holding back, as he doesn't want to fall back into his old self. Look at the times where, in the Norse Saga, Kratos let's loose even a tiny bit. He absolutely obliterates anything around him. Were he to always be that way, The Nine Realms simply would cease to exist. Kratos, at full power, would be Ragnarök incarnate.
@@ShadowKamehameha32 Kratos' godhood is very murky. He's a born demigod, not an actual god. This inherently makes the rules different for him. This is on top of the fact that he was given godhood powers only to drain them all into the Blade of Olympus before releasing said powers out to the Greek world. The fact of the matter is Greek Kratos is always in rage-mode, which is why he was able to solo his entire pantheon. Norse Kratos is much more reserved, which is why when he does explode (ie. become his OG self) he is taken seriously. The fact that he has to rely on friends and allies to take on people like Odin speak to his declining strength, as is the fact that he was apparently fated to die against Thor, someone OG Kratos would never have lost to. The entire point of the Norse games is that Kratos has matured from his younger, more aggressive self. While he has lost much of his innate strength, he's made up for it by having friends and allies to watch his back, something only possible because of his cooled nature.
@@Malthizar Not lost. He just doesn't use his strength. He can access it pretty much whenever he wants, but would seriously prefer not too. He even pretty much states so, when talking to Odin. Push him far enough, and he will become as the god that he was. A monster that kills and killed indiscriminately. And most likely, the only thing that would push him that far at this point would be the death of Atreus. We even see a bit of that when Heimdall threatened to kill Atreus, since, outside of just gameplay, Kratos was able to easily kill Heimdall the moment that he got going properly, and did so ruthlessly after Heimdall said he was going to kill Atreus.
@@ShadowKamehameha32 exactly this people seem to not understand that kratos hasen't gone full out once yet because he doesn't want to 1 kill anyone he doesn't need to quite a change form his young days but also 2 if he slips back into his old ways he could end up killing everyone just for looking at atreus wrong
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no he wasnt holding back. why would he hold back when the lifes of the 9 realms are at stake. makes zero sense. only confirmed instance when kratos is holding back is early in 2018 god of war novel. bc he doesnt want atreus to find out he is a god. and when he finalyl finds out he doesnt hold back anymor do ur research
@@curiouspanda873 because if he doesn't he would be killing everyone screaming "Odin I will destroy you and everything that's in my way." Literally the writers and devs already said this. The characters in the games already said this. You're in denial sorry.
I love his direction. Supreme skill in manipulation means he doesn't have to be the hammer. I really would have wanted to see that skill attempted on kratos to break him by invoking the monster within.
One thing to note “he protect all of Asgard from fimbulwinter which weakened all the magic throughout the rest of nine realms, including every single magical enchantment and enhancement Kratos and Atreus, and even Freya had during the previous events” This would essentially be Odin fighting against a seemingly heavily nerfed version of Kratos, along with that he’s also fighting a much more mellowed out and not *”I WILL TEAR YOUR KINGDOM ASUNDER AND MAKE YOU WATCH AS ALL YOU HAVE BUILD IS BUTCHERED WHILE I TEAR YOU LIMB FROM LIMB FOR YOUR INJUSTICE AGAINST ME”* Level of anger and pure hatred, considering that Kratos at his angriest (his first fight with thor) was able to knock a tooth out with a single punch, a feat that was never replicated despite Kratos in the second fight being able to beat a bloodlusted Thor who isn’t holding anything back. And by the way this is still nerfed Kratos I’m willing to bet that never once did Kratos had any real intentions of killing Odin, which subsequently gave Odin many advantages. Like imagine if Odin somehow managed to critically injure Atreus, Kratos would probably go full on 100% spartan rage on Odin
Thing is, if kratos was all rage like he was in greece, he wouldnt have been able to acquire the allies that helped him. Without said allies, kratos would have been at the mercy of the far smarter and crafty odin. rage cant solve shit, for instance, without that weapon (the spear that multiplies) kratos the greek version would have been killed by Heimdall, there would have been no way to beat him due to his pre cog. Heck, in the final fight, without freya intervening, Kratos and Atreus were dead, they were locked in a sealing spell. Kratos imo is weaker than he was greece but this weakness allowed him to attain strength in the form of the allies he was able to make due to his changed way of life. These allies in the end meant more when it came to the threat he faced. Greece was all power, Norse has Odin and alot of mind games.
@@alispeed5095 tbf tho zeus was crafty so were the fates and the titans and persephone it diden't help any of them when kratos went nuts tho also its been stated kratos isen't weaker then he was in greece and will superass zeus and the whole pantheon's individual power levels since he gets stronger the older he gets and he is a true immortal plus from what im aware the fates while in control of time were also pre cog's and they all died aswell. tbh they need to go back to proper power levels if they do the egyptians it would explain why odin was so afraid of other pantheon's because he was aware that some of them like greece are stronger then norse gods
@@lordsathariel4384 Zeus wasn't as crafty, Zeus relied much in his raw fear and strenght. Odin is manipulative and has all sorts of tricks under his sleeve. Crazy to think, but Odin every single character, even Mimir, the supposed smarter man alive.
isnt it stated in the game by mimir and kratos that the magic in greek pantheonwas more potent and powerful when compared to the norse one, and that after kratos killed all the gods the magic vanished.
@Jade Imingan + No. For one thing, magic aside, Kratos in GoW 1-3 was personally quite a bit weaker than he was in the Norse Realms. Olympian Gods grow in power as they age which means Kratos is more powerful now than ever - but I'll circle back round to that for scaling purposes. . The issue concerning Kratos' magic and artifacts etc is different. You have to remember that Kratos had a LOT of help in God of War 1-3. Even his muliple resurrections involved help from others. He was constantly being given power-ups, artifacts, weapons and magical abilities from first Gods and then later from Titans. This is the ONLY reason he was able to make it all the way through the Pantheon. Without the aid of both other Gods and Titans (as well as the power/abilities and weapons/artifacts he looted from dead foes) he would have died multiple times over - and stayed dead. In fact, many of the bosses he faced, he objectively would not have been able to defeat without certain relics and/or powers he'd previously looted and/or been gifted. This is important When you consider many of Kratos' statements and feats in GoW 2018 and Ragnarok because they're coming from a Kraros who isstronger than he used used to be. . Moreover, this actually plays into why Kratos was unable to summon the magic he used to wield back in the Greek Lands. All of the beings and sources of power that granted him those abilities were all dead... because, y'know... he killed them all. As we saw at the end of GoW of War 3 (and in various stages throughout the game and it's prequals), with the death of Zeus and all the other Gods and Titans that died, all of their works came undone and the world itself was literally coming apart. Most of it was all but "destroyed" - rendered back to its primordial, chaotic state from before even the Titans came and imposed the very first layer of order upon the world. The Olympians then rose up, took the mantle and ordered the world even further. When they all died, that order was broken. This is what Freya was referring to when she said that magic is tied to the Earth and that with the destruction of the Greek Lands, it is likely that the source of his power was also destroyed. She was more correct than she realised as there is a direct correlation between the works of the Olympians/Titans and the state of the world in Greece. . However, that still doesn't make him weaker than he is when we see him in 2018 and Ragnarok. Kratos holds back more in 2018 and Ragnarok than he ever did in GoW 1-3 where he was going all out all the time and never held back at all. Kratos in the Norse Lands has his own share of weapons and artifacts as well as even a degree of magic by the time he hits the endgame stages so not being able to summon his old powers/items/abilities from Greece is a moot point. Moreover, Kratos now as an individual outside of all the other crap is definitely more powerful now than he ever has been. . Even if none of that was a factor though, the game's developers have already confirmed multiple times that Kratos is more powerful in the Norse Realms than he has ever been. This again, makes sense because being an Olympian God, Kratos will only continue to grow in power as he ages. He IS still the Olympian God of War after all. That would in turn mean that foes giving him genuine problems in the Norse Realms would be more powerful than foes who gave him genuine problems back in Greece.
@@KeyIssues freya and mimir mention multiple times about how outlandish the power and magic in greece compare to the norse realms were, mimir mentioned and asked kratos was it true the the olympians had “every flavor of magic and enchantments at their disposal?Freya is shocked consistently about the tales and feats hes accomplished back in greece. Mimir stating that they seem so over the top his adventures had to have been “exaggerated”.
@@CloroxBleach-qy7vyshe wasn’t shocked because it was powerful but because it sounded profundly insane and dangerous. Hence why she said going back in time was irresponsible Thor literally did a time feat without using any magic lmao. I think people just want the Greeks to be stronger so they’ll take any statement to prove it even when it doesn’t
Odin in GOW reminded me a lot of Gunter O'Dimm from The Witcher, a wandering wizard, completely unassuming charismatic as hell and someone you wouldn't find threatening but in reality is nearly unmatched in strength either through magic or might and at the flip of a switch could completely destroy you and your whole world.
"Odin is the most formidable foe Kratos ever encountered." Yeah, cuz' Odin killed Calliope, Lysandra, and Deimos? Cause Odin killed Kratos three times, right? Cause Odin's the one who one ensured victory during the Great War, right? Odin was the one who created the entire universe, right? Cause Odin also created ordered time, right? Cause Odin also created death, right? Wait a minute... He's none of these! Those are the accomplishments of the greatest enemies Kratos ever had.
@@KeyIssues Yes, I do. I feel very strongly about this matter. Odin gets beaten like a redheaded stepchild by Kratos and co. At the end of Ragnarok. Zeus took four and a half games (counting Betrayal) too kill, and by far had done more damage physically, mentally, and spiritually to Kratos than Odin ever did.
@@BlankEmporium The problem with your rebuttal is that all of this happened during a time where Kratos was not nearly as experienced and as powerful as he is now and was quite a young God, who destroyed the Greek universe eventually, but he would grow into a much better fighter in the Norse Universe. Hope was Kratos's most powerful weapon, but what makes him really powerful was his sheer tenacity and unrivaled determination to fight, even if all seems hopeless.
If u listen to a lot of Odin feats he seems to be a dangerous god given prep time, a lot of his op feats come from having prep time and then he is just a pure battlemage without prep
Always remember, the most difficult part for Kratos was not to return to his old ways in these games. I think the Greek Pantheon was far more formidable especially just thinking about The Fates being ransacked by Kratos jumping through time to make em catch the fade.
Mimir himself admits the magics and powers of the Greek Pantheon-in reference to the fates and their time abilities-is beyond anything in the Norse pantheon and Kratos while he may be physically more powerful doesn’t have anywhere near the magical amps he once had at his peak as a Greek God not to mention Zeus is more powerful than the primordial beings of the Greek Pantheon as well so while I admit as a commander Odin is the better guy in a straight up fight Zeus being the most powerful being in the Greek Pantheon wins for me
War: Odin > Zeus Fight: Zeus > Odin Odin would figure out about the Blade of Olympus in seconds and would make a whole plan work to kill Zeus like that.
Thanatos was def the strongest god kratos faced He broke the fourth wall “youre a pawn in a game you don’t even know if being played” Kratos and his brother deimos almost of equal strength couldn’t beat him He’s a primordial god amongst then greek gods who are said to grow more powerful with time (he’s one of the oldest gods) and the greeks were stated by kratos to be stronger then the norse gods Not to mention the only way he died was after killing DEIMOS ( again almost an equal to kratos) and kratos himself had to go full rage mode angrier then ever before to the point he blew up and was on fire ??? Definitely a huge contender
Can you do one on Freya because it seems a lot of people underscale her. I would think her strength is at least universal+ considering she is most likely equal in strength to her brother and their weapons were made from the same people, note that freyr can (momentarily) stop a universe (asgard) ending attack from surtr. Her speed would at least me comparable to the valkyries cause...., she's a valkyrie. And her durability would be at least be universal+ cause she was able to take hits from nidhogg and Kratos.
key issues when can you make more star wars vids like how powerful was anakin skywalker before he turned to the dark side or became vader and many other jedi and force users
If Kratos tapped into his spartan rage which (he could do at anytime by the way ) he could have soloed Odin. Most these statements are more to hype up characters IMO but Freya and Mimir are constantly shocked at the shit Kratos did to the Greek pantheon. ( the sisters of fate comes to mind which Freya even says is more powerful magic than any of them could of ever possessed). Let’s not forget Kratos never fully goes all out in the new games aside from very very particular occasions. Zues is still the most powerful being Kratos has ever faced no contest.
Odin fashioned Midgard from Ymir's flesh, not the other realms. When kratos mentioned what the sisters of fate were capable of in his land, Freya remarked that the people in these realms don't have that kind of power, so I think it's Odin's cunning and intellectual nature that makes him so formidable, not his power.
Well with his knowledge comes magic powe r vanier, Asgardian and probibly some from outsider the 9 realms itself you are right Odin is a formidable foe because his knowledge but Odin has weaponized knowledge
Odin could win with prep time. He'd infiltrated the Greek Pantheon and find each of their weaknesses to take them out one by one. An additional tactic he'd use would be to find ways to turn them against each other.
Especially if he uses binding curses, no amount of physical brute strength would help them. Heck Odin almost got killed by Freya because, of a binding curse he lived because she was cocky.
I would like to dispute Freya being powerful enough to face Kratos, he simply never wanted to kill her, it's as he said 'I could not live with myself killing you, as much as I want to die'
6:55 this i could argue, Kratos might have broken free via Spartan Rage, Kratos real god power seems to come from Spartan Rage, he seems like was about to use it when he was bounded but Freya comes to the rescue.
I disagree with a lot of statements here. The only reason why Freya stands on equal footing with Kratos during their battle is that KRATOS WAS HOLDING BACK and didn't want to hurt Freya too much, he is just defending himself.
Kratos hasn't even activated his rage during the Odin fight yet, If he laid hands on Atreus he would've easily broken Odin's spell. Kratos was also beating the shit out of Thor without being winded. Ragnarok isn't centered on Kratos that's why he doesn't get all the spotlight. Its more about Atreus's growth but if this was a Kratos-centered game he would've wrecked Odin where he stands. nuff said
@@Jeff-fo3ck no kratos actually does go all out when she's stronger and is in her valkriye form and he still wasn't able to get the upper hand Freya and kratos are more or less equal anyway. Kratos was going all out against Odin and still couldn't win and was gonna get clapped up without Freya. In the end kratos needed help to defeat Odin
@@Vader255 Doubt it. Unless I see Kratos Struggle against Odin or even Freya. Kratos even beat the living shit out of Thor and taught him a lesson and thor is one of the most powerful aesir gods
Someone made a great point. The new god of war games are more story and narrative pushed. Compared to the old games where all the powers of the gods are shown.
Odin reminds me of the beast in Kung Fu Hussle when they triple teamed him Heimdall could be the strongest if it weren't for his arrogance. Also how he was defeated made no sense. He could have dodged the spear attack
So they don't explain it that well but Draupnir can create infinite copies of itself, therefore there are an infinite number of possibilities for Draupnir, this makes it nearly impossible for Heimdall to predict what the spear will do next, on top of kratos' ruthless assault using it, overwhelming Heimdall's foresight
I wouldn't go that far. Heimdall has one OP ability which allows him to simply avoid most enemies in battle but outside of that, he's not overly powerful himself.
Not only did Draupnir overwhelm his senses (It is probably hard to predict an object that can form infinite copies of itself) but Kratos is just plain out faster than him. He can see everything Kratos is going to do but can only go so fast.
Havent seen the video yet but I think he's as powerful as Zeus or slightly stronger. Kratos needed help to beat him, 1 on 1 Kratos lost. BUT if you think Kratos is weaker than he was in gow 3, because it was stated he lost his magic, then Odin was fighting a weaker Kratos.
I just don’t understand the the 9 realms are created from creation. So how was the Greek side of things made well how they were made but that means every other mythology was made from its own creator but somehow it was all combined
Marduk (Babylonian) would solo most of the Norse realm. He's fought off creatures that scale to Ymir, and is so powerful that other gods worship HIM. Both Vishnu and Shiva would rip Odin apart (with one of Vishnu's avatars containing the entire universe inside his mouth); Kali could end the Nine Realms through dancing alone. Sun Wukong (Chinese) could very easily solo both the Olympian and Norse pantheons, and Ahura Mazda (Zoroastrian) is just laughably unfair. Kratos should consider himself lucky he gets some of the "weaker" gods (though Thanatos and the Fates could give Odin a run for his money).
People always think that Raw Strength is all it matters in fictional characters they got it all wrong, maybe Odin didn't have Zeus Power but Odin has Magic abilities and tricks thar makes him a powerful God.
People wank Freya way too much. Her most impressive outing was casting her spell on Baldr and making him invulnerable to all threats, both physical and magical. The problem is that she literally never used that spell again despite going against Odin. Then there's the fact that a weakened Kratos and an inexperienced Atreas actively held back against her in every encounter, and literally the moment they got serious she nearly died.
@@humanman9920 It was literally the opposite. The magic that kept her from fighting was weakened, meaning she could actually try to kill Kratos in the first place. Before fimblwinter, she couldn't hurt anyone or travel anywhere outside Midgard. After, she was able to leave while in bird form and was constantly trying to kill Kratos. Even if she was "weakened" from her OG state, again, so was Kratos. This is on top of the fact that this Kratos is weaker than he was in the OG games and less angry and bloodlusted. And he literally had to stop Atreus from killing Freya when Atreus snapped. That literally proves she's not on his level
So, maybe it's as simple as Freya wasn't foolish enough to do it, but if Odin can make "unbreakable" enchantments, and if Freya can imbue invulnerability to Baldur, why wasn't Odin Indestructible? Why couldn't he figure out how to put that power upon himself, to stave off his unwanted doom?
In the game Freya says Odin wanted her to put the invincibility curse on him. But refused seeing what it did to Baldor and he got mad so, I guess Freya didn’t teach him everything thankfully.
EVERYONE missed how Thor hit the world serpent so hard, he went backwards in time. It’s why he looks so old in the first game. Thors ace wound never healed and it’s because it was imbued with poison when Kratos threw it into the serpents mouth. Loki created Jormungandr! A snake gets bigger as it ages and he is immortal.
I'll agree that Odin certainly is a schemer to have sucessfully endlaved multiple civilizations for an exceedingly long time and sneaking around in some of the most dangerous ways to get his info, but I have no reason to believe anyone was stronger than the Fates. I'm not saying they had the best skill, per say. Skill doesn't always matter if you can tank headshots like they did. But for sheer magic capacity, they're the only ones in the series to have this ability to control causality and time however they want, rendering even Zeus and Chronos subservient to them. And while making suns is nice, being able to just prevent someone from being born is an even greater asset. And to be honest the only Fates only took Kratos seriously at the very end. They left themselves vulnerable to him by their huberous, thinking a show of power would be enough. And then they meleed a Spartan and lost.
Greek kratos fanboys, Need to hear this, Being rageful and wanting vengeance doesn't ultimately mean your gonna win a fight and i know im late to this but idc this is for the people who think young kratos beats old kratos. dO PEOPLE NOT REALISE THAT the basic proof of this is THOR. Thor was much more stronger in the first fight than last fight and that is so much true. Able to one shot kratos in first encounter however not in the last one showing you that Thor strength decreased later on and no kratos didnt get a increased in durability litteraly the same game. Also The reason why thor did so good compared to the second one is that he was calm fought like a true soldier with good combat and awareness. Main reason why he did so good against kratos in first fight is he actually went on par with kratos in combat able to counter him multiple fights. Compare this to the rageful thor we see later on that explains why he lost. Kratos stayed calm and wise last fight. Thor didnt wasn't even thinking properly and got destroyed in every close combat against kratos. Litteraly not even thinking but just going young kratos mode by just destroying everything. That proves that being more wise and aware of surrounding. Seeing how your opponent moves and how you not go in brute but use your brain while your in the fight and your skill. Is much better and gives you the win if your just ruthless and a mindless beast. I'M JUST SAYING THIS to say that old kratos can beat young kratos
I think Odin cannot beat Zeus or majority of the olympians in a 1v1. The crazy feats that the olympians pulled off in the previous games were way too OP. The Santa Monica staff had to give Kratos Some powers to combat the threat, where as in this game all he have is strength and weapons.
I had a theory that Ymir was a giant in the sense as the Titans from gow Greek era. Seems I was wrong and he's the giants in the sense of the primordials like Ascension. Could this mean in the Ascension opening war, that was actually Surtr?
My issue with this scaling is that a lot of the more magical feats are pretty unquantifiable. Like Odin protected Asgard from Fimblwinter...but how? Was that his own power? Some magic that drew in power from somewhere else? Did it require build up? How do you compare this to an actual fight. Compare to, say, Ares. He was giant, we see his strength feats with who he fought and how, he on command forced Kratos into the nightmare dimension, stuff like that. Easily scaled and understood.
We see him cast a spell on Atreus, Thrud, and Heimdall to keep them warm in Hel (which you’re apparently not supposed to be able to do). I would imagine he placed a higher-scale version of that same protection spell on Asgard.
@@fissilewhistle That still doesn't explain anything though. Like if the Leviathan Axe was there would it just not work? When did he figure this out and how? Does it have like a charge or is it like an MP system or... Anyways my point with that rant isn't me saying you're wrong or he's weak, but just saying 'magic' leaves so many unanswered questions that it makes scaling impossible.
@@nahte123456+ There's plenty of these issue in GoW 1-3 as well though. The scaling in all of these games is also largely circular as well since most characters of note only really scale to each other with very little that is actively quantifiable without running into issues of taking what we see literally vs game mechanics vs graphics/animation constraints etc. . The fact is that scaling in and of itself (when used as the only contributing factor) isn't really a reliable basis for judging power levels either way. There are too many contributing factors that can easily throw out the whole process. Like hyperbole vs literal statements, context, the assumption all power scalers seem to make that every one is operating at their maximum at all times (e.g. the Flash is running at full speed all the time) and just blatant inconsistency for the sake of plot etc which in turn makes for some pretty ridiculous scaling that is very often obviously again at author intent and so on.
He looks like a weak old man Which is probably on purpose, the man overpowered Kratos physically during the last cinematic, which isn't something to oversee That means he's at least comparable in physical strength to Atlas
Odin entire plan is cursing people and tricking them. He wanted Kratos to get tired fighting his way up to Asgard but didn't count on Sindri busting the wall up and breaking their war machines and Freya being free from all his tricks. That combined with Thor finally understanding he didn't have to fight meant Odin truly was out of cards. He couldn't even escape towards the end after his ravens were dealt with. Master manipulator? I swear people give this Odin so much undeserved credits. He was one of the weakest and most incapable antagonists ever.
The sisters of fate where stated to have a power greater than any in norse mythology. But it doesn't mean they would be any good in a fight. They got rolled by Kratos. Odin being able to hold back fimblewinter is a very impressive feat, its no use in a fight. Also once Freya arrived Odin didn't really stand a chance. That's probably why he said "No more fighting" to Loki. Maybe I'm biased but I feel like Kratos could've broken through the spell that restrained him and beat Odin with spartan rage or if Atreus was threatened.
@@anselmopat4985 he was threatened when baldur first came. Didn't go spartan rage until later. He was threatened when modi attacked but didn't rage until atreus collapsed
Only thing I disagree with here is Freya beating kratos 💀 he stated multiple times he’s wasn’t trying to kill her kratos beats freya she has no where near his feats of killing a primordial and the fates that control time and space 😭
