How Predatory Is Diablo Immortal? - AllCraft With Quin69 & Josh Strife Hayes 

it felt like his show with 3 guests lol

Definitely!

And never bring on Quin again.

100% this

He's a tool. Hopefully Asmon and Rich will catch on to that the more time they spend with him.

Respect everyone that didn't pay a dime for those whack-a-wallet f2p titles, it's the most gigachad move.

He radiates gigachad energy

@@neku2741 That's because he is, he was a martial artist and a coach 😎

Josh is a true down to earth intellectual. Deserves all the respect

It's borderline fangirling. I love it :)

He is the one. He can see the Matrix. This founding fathers are future leaders of Zion gaming.

no experiment is valid without it

yupp. The rest thinks their viewers are just as dumb as blizzard thinks. "we spend this money to prove it's p2w" really? that's blizzard low insult

Aren't a lot of people actually? I haven't gotten a _"Blizzard fix"_ since the first six months of BfA. When WoW first came out I played pretty much from start to half a year into TBC. And then it just went downhill and I started subscribing less and less. *WHY?* Guess why - cause the game's content stretched too much. And I felt like it was more profitable for me to come back every 1 or 2 years or so for just 6 months so that I could collect stuff on my own, especially in raids from older expansions, then having to go through it with other people. The feeling of freedom was just off the sharts. But then I noticed timesinks sh°t for the first time in the most uncomfortable way too. You can only farm raids once a week. Some instances only once a day and such...! Kinda made me disgusted in the long run. And in the end it never truly made me feel like I was losing out more on the collectors side as on the frustration side I would have had, if I had always subscribed. Why some people get so insanely addicted over a game - even if it is very good - I just cannot understand. One day it will all be over. In many ways WoW is already over. It has become ugly. Wokeness is there, SJW bullsh°t is there, "EARTH diversity" is there... blue eyes Highelve customization for Bloodelves... what for a clownshow. :D They are not even trying anymore.

@@JarSpiral The architect concurs.

Totally agreed, Josh for White House Speaker!

If Josh keeps growing and following his current path, I think he could become the true successor of TB. He has the voice, the calm demeanor, strong background knowledge, is fiercely pro-consumer. Also is a Brit. I wish him the best.

Good guy Josh

​@@Daihatski he'll have a sexual assault case or we'll find out he has bodies stashed behind his display cases.

When I liked you comment, I was number 666. 😎 Perfect imperfection 😈 Your comment is the truth. Watching Josh is a great example of someone in control of themselves. 🤔 I wonder if Josh has made a video talking about learning to present himself during live broadcasts. I'd to like to learn how to speak more clearly and control myself in such a professional way.

Also by everything else

#truth

He gave something more valuable. Time

@@wiccapowerify he didn't even play for that long what the fuck do you mean, also he's obviously giving time to every fucking game since he makes reviews for them

@@wiccapowerify he does this for a living, so it's not a waste of time for him, his video on Diablo Immortal got more than a million views.

Timestamp?

@@RockandStoneVForKarl ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DPBr9IrVP-I.html lol

@@RockandStoneVForKarl It started that way.

@@RockandStoneVForKarl BRUH, WATCH THE VIDEO

@@RockandStoneVForKarl ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZyUAApFw2hI.html

Nah josh is absolutely sharper

@@TylerRayPittman he really not. he may be clearer but asmon is way sharper . he is alwys flipping what people are saying in all his streams . he is smarter than you think . I think you are just bad at understanding abstract thoughts . tldr Josh clearer easier to understand , Asmon a bit more chaotic but the substance is a bit deeper

@@zakariaarroub2701 lmao okay has nothing to do with him just rambling like an intolerable pseudo intellectual, and I do enjoy watching him

@@zakariaarroub2701 "he is always flipping what people are saying in all his streams" pretty sure you haven't watched Josh turn one random out of context or hate comment into a 20min content goldmine out of thin air.

Josh also uses amore sophisticated and verbose vocabulary while also maintaining a smooth flow of speech.

so you enjoy the chase rather than the price?

@@ingolf82 chase is sometimes an exhilarating endeavor, like you catch that annoying kid and smack it

I was tricked into listening to that man for 3 hours looping several times while doing a reaction and I've been an avid fan ever since

@@ingolf82 this. this is greatness.

Timestamp pls

play the game spend nothing reaches level 50 quits to play PoE Gigachad

Because Josh is the only adult person in this video

Blizzard hates him! See more to see how he did it like a Chad

Yeah. Just the powermove.

Protagonis character hahahha

You mean finally Allcraft made it to Josh! 😂

Ironically, the first time he is on us the first time i watch it on my second monitor

Josh has so much Second Monitor power, Allcraft didn't put him to main monitor content, he brought Allcraft to second monitor with him XD

He’s too negative for me D: I don’t like his energy always negative.

He then proceeds to reference the phrase when excusing himself later, and keeps looking back as Josh bursts out laughing lol

1:57:10

1:40:08 he drops a good one himself lol

Josh actually was a teacher :)

compared to most RU-vidrs he understands game-design really well the only guy I've seen understand game-design better than him is Game Maker's Toolkit who's literally a Game-designer, so it's a compliment for Josh to understand these games almost as good as experts.

Get a room

I recommed his channel to you he has an incredible series of exposing awful mmorpg kickstarter projects and bad mmorpgs, I'm myself not an active player in that materia but listening to him breaking down every detail about a game is so informative and teached me alot of predatory structure the corporate on.

Man it's so cringe when people start worshipping youtubers like this

@@Detlevboi Tbh, out of all four of them, he's probably the one that does that the least :D

Glad to see his channel exploding after that Diablo review. He deserves every subscriber he gets

@@casperfang7963 The masses don't like people that are smarter then them, no wonder he doesn't have millions of subs. We need more like him. edit: than them*

We progably get there because of Asmongold but he is not the star of this discussion as he only reusing ideas from his monologues. Just like Eminem in D12.

If you think that is bad, wait till you hear what entrance fees to VIP-Boxes at sporting events cost.... Or how much money a really expensive car looses in worth.... OK, this is just me saying: NOTHING about this is new. Tulips in the Netherlands come to mind.

@I I respectfully disagree: If you get pleasure from watching a Broadway-play, and you decide that its OK to pay 2.000$ for that, how is it different from playing a game? You are left with nothing in your hands. If you go to a restaurant and pay a premium for the same nutritional value (eating fruits at home: $5, going to el Bulli that's $ 500,-. You got SOMETHING, but you payed extra for the experience. And you are also left with nothing btw.

Me as a third worlder: that man spent almost 4 times my annual income on literally nothing

im with you, $10-$20k would be life changing for me and my family and these dudes are throwing it in a money shredder just cause. whats the point of busting my ass at work.

@@eddiebernays514 Hint: there isn't. Far richer men than them have spent money on nothing in a single day than you'll ever earn in your entire life.

Yep he definitely stood out compared to the rest of the guys haha.

lmao

second main monitor hehehehe

I really like his voice recording setup

You know society is going downhill when being normal and having a reasonable conversation is considered "fucking amazing".

@@SkelNeldory normal makes no sense in that sentence then, you mean being unbiased and civilized probably.

@@SkelNeldory normal is whatever most people do. By your own admission listening to someone and earnestly addressing their points is not normal.

@@mckinleyostvig7135 Actually in this context normal does not mean "whatever most people do" it means "not exhibiting defect or irregularity" there's a big difference. You seem to lack critical thinking and reading comprehension skills though so it's understandable you would be so confused.

@@nirorit I appreciate your suggestions and I would agree that unbiased and civilized are great descriptors of him but see my above comment as to why normal is the word I chose. Feel free to use a dictionary.

Stop playing the game. Is your time really worth that little? Why not just play Diablo 3? You are the reason games like this succeed because you play it regardless of what the devs do

Why are you playing it?

Why care for the platinum, it has no actual value.

@@rayvg7709 Platinum is the only real way you can progress the game long term without spending also ​ @MV740 ​ @Ano Nony why I play, for the social aspect, I'm playing with some mates in a clan seeing how far we can get on our server, currently top 10 shadow, ofc if I wasn't trying to help the clan I would quit the game already and download D2, I have no interest in D3, DI is the only Diablo "MMO" that we get, if it gets better it might be enjoyable game, if it doesn't, well, just another New World

@@anonony9081 d3 is garbage too mate. Its where diablo died. Play something good. Your life is too short.

Plz plz plz pretty plz 🙏

Lol the two with the blank rooms spent all their cash on microtransactions. Other dude still has money for his collection since he didnt give it all to diablo immortal xD

Haha he's like a university professor but for MMOs

@@Volvoc kinda crazy how good he was live and congruent he was with his RU-vid stuff. It made me like him more.

@@ericconrad8854 he's like this on his streams normally as well. Even addressing random points in chat. Josh is just a scholar and a gentleman of the highest order.

Well, he used to be a teacher and I think a martial arts teacher as well.

I wished my university professors were like him.

Eh, I would say ThorHighHeels is but to each their own

Josh is like what Americans think of British people. Bellular and Matt are closer to how British people are perceived by Europeans, but still they're too good.

@@someguy3508 You do know that Brits are europeans right?

@@nimmha6708 yea?

@@someguy3508 ok, I read it like they are seperate.. my fault.

@@nimmha6708 not mailand europe hehe

and everyone understands

He is way to hot to be in our kind of community

Right? He's like "these clowns are serious? "

@@raijuko but respectfully

@@smallpandochka no need to respect that kind of behaviour

@@crelgen1588 but he respects the people involved in this conversation, isn't he?

@@crelgen1588 If people are having a good time he doesn't really care. Live and let live to the highest degree is what he is going for.

I have watched everyone from the start (RIP Hotted) and I whole heartedly agree. I have enjoyed a lot of Josh's videos but he was almost more on point live here.

@@ericconrad8854 Yeah rip hotted i miss him playing wow. But the preach ones were very good as well.

Rich yet again exuding bi energy he was legit crushing on josh

​@@aranox to be fair, have you seen Josh? Heard him talk? I think it's a justified reaction.

@@braindead5283 yes i've seen him pop up now and then on my second monitor

Well so does entire chat and comment section

The average experience

That's a fucking hilarious theory tbh lol

This is the dawn of the era of Hyper Whales, that dont drawn on the finances of a player, but instead on the finances of an entire Streamer Community

@@badassoverlordzetta that will only happen when more of the younger generation brain dead kids with no self respect start allowing more and more of these predatory acts. If you don’t respect yourself, nobody else will either.

mad respect for the few F2P streamers like Josh or Demone Kim

@@JonathanWinegar badass is right they milk the streaming communitys and the streamers agree withc it . streamers are the whales that make the games shie ttt in th elong run .fifa is the best example . I think in games like this the gameplay is a gamble itself. They do everything to make the game is just based on casual gamers who just spent way to much on a single game and then the game developers dont have to care for the rest of the gamers anymore. this ´things have to stop or they have to be limits in what you can do byu on a game. if not i think he is right that hte future of games are indie games like gameplay wise.

Where were the eels!

@@imaran1303 FF14 BEST COMMUNITY? *vomit sounds*

@@lordsephiroth93 Yep, best community, we can still laugh about people becoming memes. Don't wanna be a meme, don't be stupid. And Quin WAS stupid. So now, his meme of 'WHERE WERE THE EELS!' Will be forever immortalized. Heck, even Grinding Gear got to experience the idiocy that was Quin when they were doing Omega.

@@imaran1303 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BllC7MKocfg.html

@@imaran1303 As someone who has been playing FF 14 for a while people like you are the reason why there are still enough players who don't regard the ff community as the "best community". I've been watching Asmon and Quin for a looong time and it's astonishing that whenever Quin interacts with someone like Asmon there are allways a couple of FF 14 guys sending hate in Asmons chat or Twitter towards him. He's 100% living rent free in your heads. Get a grip and move on. People aren't meme'ing about Asmongold when he said that FF 14 is a trashy weeb game for losers and pedos a few years ago. Or when he claimed that most Lala players are probably pedos IRL relativly recently. Why? Because he changed his mind and likes the game now. His "stupid" wasn't immortalized. But Quin's is - because he still dislikes the game and dropped it. And if there is one thing every MMO player knows about - it's that the cultlike FF 14 community weaponizes against everyone who doesn't like their game. I am allways disappointed when I see comments like these. Why is it that Quin "can be stupid" with any game and all their communitys just laugh along and move on, but the FF 14 community just can't and has to trash him whenever they hear his name. Doesn't sound very nice and welcoming to me. Also just as a small footnote: Don't use "we" when you are talking about your opinion, acting like the whole community stands behind your statement. It's cringe.

It'a not gambling addict, it's wasting money addict

I think Asmon enjoyed the game at the beginning. Eventually you get bored. He tries to play it off but at least for a few days, he enjoyed it. He overspent for content, but if he wasn't a streamer he'd still spend a little bit.

And then rich goes on to talk about blizzard being a “pay first” company when people like him are the reason why games like Diablo Immortal exist. I know damn well blizzard has watched all of these famous streamers spend insane amounts of money on pay2win games and influence their audience to spend money. Yea the audience won’t spend the same amount but if 2,000 viewers spend at least 100 bucks that’s 20k right there. And I know damn well if your the type of person to spend 100 bucks, you are also the type to spend even more than that because you think “well I have already invested this much so I might as well keep going”.

Here we fucking go again, people crying over how other spends their fucking money, just blame the one who make this scam of a game and move tf on.

@@mug281 your right. hypocrites say something and do the opposite, complaining about predatory monetary systems then supporting it by spending thousands is hypocritical.

Truly, the crests are to blame

Yeah kinda fucked man. Rich has almost spent my yearly salary in 2 weeks.

@@MrMrTravman Rich spent 2/3rds of my yearly income

my advice, just do not listen to the actual numbers, you do not want to realize the insane weatlh disparity and how people then subsequently waste all that money

@@MrMrTravman yearly salary? Wtf is your job and where do you live thats absolutely terrible

@@MV-ri7zu I work as a Medical tech at a local hospital with a salary of 35k-40k. I mightve exaggerated a bit, but yeah. Its not great. Also I live in California so its a bit tight. Hopefully I can advance my career soon, but who knows. Not enough free time to go back to school with four children. This dude is spending life changing money for me to meme on the internet. Depressing ass shit.

That’s what I’ve been thinking the whole time. At least asmon only spent like 2k but the other two are mega whales that say it’s a bad game yet spend 20k on it makes no sense to me. Josh is the only smart one tbh

I think it's not about being smart. Being addicted is very hard to control, and Diablo Immortal is very good at manipulation. I don't blame people that put money into it

The worst thing is that they're streaming it. Showing people and kids it's ok ( or not ) to do it, and that money apparently rains from the sky and is as easy to get as to spend. These streamers are my age, a generation that grew up with ads and TV transforming them into hyper-consumerists who can't refrain from spending their money on useless shit. Now imagine a generation growing up watching these people on Twitch... it's completely fucked up and I hope it'll get banned. Companies shouldn't make these games, and people shouldn't show themselves spending thousands on virtual crap and gambling mechanics.

they can morally grandstand all they want, they're still giving this company they despise tens of thousands of dollars. Not to mention they themselves are profiting off of it by playing the game and getting views by "exposing how predatory the game really is", which is funny because Josh has done that just as well and he hasnt had to spend a cent to do so. Really makes you wonder, huh?

At the end of the day they’re all adults and they can do what they want with money like everyone else

But like, don't we already have PEGI and shit (which has gambling as a content descriptor too) and nobody pays attention to those sorts of things?

@@joao20able True....laws have no effect if not enforced.

The actual issue is in parenting.

@@MV-ri7zu Do you have kids? Unless you're a crazy helicopter parent you can't see what your kid is doing 100% of the time and kids learn how to lie, cheat, and steal pretty quick. It's human nature. The only way you can guarantee keeping them from predatory is to never let them touch a video game while they're under your roof. Which honestly is probably for the best but is the extreme option. Particularly if both parents work long hours to afford living decently. Parenting is tough and any help we can get is welcome imho.

@@talkingmudcrab718 The parents are the group with the most control over the kid. Parental controls exist on just about every console possible for kids below the age of 13 and young kids don't need personal electronics unless you want to get them something like an NDS. Beyond that kids talk about what they are interested in and what they spend time on. If they manage to put in 2 hours of Genshin Impact a day without you finding out, I'm sorry but you are just a sh't parent and are ignoring your kid. For teenagers, yeah they have access to the internet but your job still remains of taking an interest in your kids life, their interests, and being able to discern when trouble is brewing and take appropriate action. Will you catch everything? No, of course not when they are individuating, but hopefully you built up a relationship of trust so you still have some window into their lives. Though I fully agree there needs to be more regulation and barriers put for more mature games. But don't remove agency from parents. Whether a kid spends their early years playing games like CoD or games like Klonoa is in the parents hands.

Why do people spend money on this game? Genuine question, because it looks incredibly boring. I spent 98,000 USD on a chess set which is the closest I come to whales on MMOs (to provide some context). But the difference is that, my chess set has tangible value and importance of note while you pay for pixels on a screen. In a similar vein, why not just spend money on black jack? My brother lost 250k AED in one evening and its bloody hilarious. We still bring it up every family gathering.

Welcome to mobile/gacha keep your common sense at the door, enjoy the spins

The ONLY WAY Blizzard can ever get my trust back is a reboot and relaunch of Lost Vikings and making another RTS game ala non rpg Warcraft or Starcraft.

Yeah... I don't understand how they can talk about how bad the microtransactions are when they're contributing to the problem. Entirely counterproductive and a setback to the discussion as a whole. There would be no way for me to realistically take this podcast serious without Josh's input.

@@atrocious7766 Yeah man, I actually hate what Rich stands for and what he does. Its actively ruining gaming for the rest of us.

@@atrocious7766 get off your highhorse.

@@MrMrTravman and he couldn't care less about you.

Honestly the solution is very simple, "back to back events that rewards legendary crests" That would help low spender and f2p catching up with the whales without neglecting the whales since they already have more than enough anyway.

@@r3zaful that is naive. Same reason why billionairs exist. People never get enough. So whales would just benefit much more from those events.

@@1IGG they already have enough of bound crest guaranteed excess bound crest probably won't help them at all in fact they might just scrap it, the real problem the crest system that limits the low spender power to grind harder. Look at the highest grossing mobile game like uma musume or priconne, they all absolutely grind based not whale based. There's granblue as well that giving free players the equivalent of crest(Damascus ingots you can get 3 or more if you really a masochist) every 1-2 weeks via events.

Its just pathetic "men" enjoying their chance to finally have some kind of authority over others, because they arent capable IRL.

Beautiful how the actual mentally deranged person proves Josh's point so fast lmao

i mean... still being upset with Quin at this point is kind of strange because it was an isolated event with no real impact on anything else... maybe i'm missing some greater effect?

Yep really good game constant free content releasing seasons and still going.

problem is it's a mediocre arpg better than d3 tho i spose, which is a shallow basic arpg, prolly shouldn';t ahve fired the people that made d1 and 2 i guess.

Oh it's very self-deprecating

Lol these guys aren't whales they're just idiots that have thrown some money at the game whales would have spent 3 times this much easily. They are the no.2 guys on servers that see the target ahead of them which makes them want to throw money at the game to try and catch up.

@@BC-tu8mn lol between the three of them they've spent above $35,000 in one week. If that's not whaling I don't know what is

@@kool1joe I find it kind of funny how Asmon has been the face of the "whale streamer" for a bit due to the Lost Ark honing streams, but he's like a footnote compared to Rich and Quin here.

Handsome + smart + charismatic

@@Chaz1871 yeah man, I’d make his tea, and I’m not even gay, or British

@@kristophersouza8104 Josh is so beautiful, it's unreal.

@@kristophersouza8104 I was laughing for a good minute with this comment. God blessed your humor x.

@@kristophersouza8104 Not if I make his tea first! :p kidding...mostly.

AAA are trash now Indies are not everything though, we got nier and nier automata,the monster hunter franchise ,Xenoblade ,FF XIV, they're still good games but God they're so rare now

@@Elyakel All from Japan, propably everyone can see a pattern here xD

I doubt he has the patience to be part of that degenerate group of dudes. Imagine trying to build a brand with a guy who doesnt shower.

I look up at the chat and I see "JOSH ONLYFANS???"

Can you blame them? :D

@@Speederzzz I paused just to check the chat as a test and immediately saw "daddy Josh", yeah you right.

Finally an enjoyer of Josh's true talent.