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How QUICKLY Can You Complete Professor Oak's Challenge in Pokemon Gold and Silver? 

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@ChaoticMeatballTV
@ChaoticMeatballTV 2 года назад
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@dadawesome4272
@dadawesome4272 2 года назад
ello
@moonlightnori
@moonlightnori 2 года назад
When usum
@mi1t4nk
@mi1t4nk 2 года назад
One time I leveled larvitar from 5 to 100 at the beginning route (can't remember how long it took) but I would like to do another challenge the pikasprey's softlock with larvitar Edit: also congratulations on completing the g/s/c oak challenge ^^
@star14604
@star14604 2 года назад
Um, you did it
@platinumarcheops6309
@platinumarcheops6309 2 года назад
Well Done on 100k!
@TheCorruptedyouth
@TheCorruptedyouth 2 года назад
Whitney: “Another pathetic trainer for my miltank to destroy” ChaoticMeatball: *throws out a lv 55 dragonite* Whitney: *:O*
@luizbezerra4373
@luizbezerra4373 2 года назад
Miltank: *proceeds to rollout the Dragonite out of existence anyway* (Just kidding, don't take this seriously)
@syndere6755
@syndere6755 2 года назад
At least this gym badge will be more deserved. She won't have time to cry it'll be over that fast. Just pure shock.
@Pimpmedown
@Pimpmedown 2 года назад
not to forget that miltank was downed by a critical attack :D
@RockmanZeroModernDay
@RockmanZeroModernDay 2 года назад
@@Pimpmedown In my HG nuzlocke, (don't ask me why I have a Graveler) I was able to clear out the Clefairy and Miltank using Quilava (Linkle) (Female), and Graveler (Yumi) (Female). SoulSilver was different since I have Bayleef (Lomax) (Male), and Rocky (Female), it's almost the same result.
@Pimpmedown
@Pimpmedown 2 года назад
@@RockmanZeroModernDay i like having gravler in HG because he gets really OP in some fights where i dont really have other options in my team.
@michaeltam360
@michaeltam360 2 года назад
You deserve so many likes for this. The fact that this is before abilities and you had to level up dratini before Whitney is TORTURE!
@jackyspearow
@jackyspearow 2 года назад
less torture than whitney normally :))
@thelegacyofgaming2928
@thelegacyofgaming2928 2 года назад
I tried getting Dragonite before the Gengar gym as a kid and I think I remember it saying I had 20 hours in the game and I still didn't have it
@Freshley369
@Freshley369 2 года назад
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 all that work for thicc charizard
@jhadanebenjamin3489
@jhadanebenjamin3489 2 года назад
Yea its boring but he puts alot of work so I have to watch it to the end
@_JustAnotherKid__
@_JustAnotherKid__ 2 года назад
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 wow I misread and thought you didn't save it!
@SilvarusLupus
@SilvarusLupus 2 года назад
About catching both box legends in a single game, Emerald lets you catch Groudon and Kyorge in the post game :) but yeah pokemon needs to do that more and do away with two versions
@pokedude720
@pokedude720 2 года назад
And Platinum allows for all 3 of the creation trio.
@hunter00143
@hunter00143 2 года назад
Too bad the era of good third games is gone Shimmering platinum never
@BenCowley111
@BenCowley111 2 года назад
Think he’s referring to the initial games not the 3rd one
@NickKrishnan
@NickKrishnan 2 года назад
Crystal did it first
@pokedude720
@pokedude720 2 года назад
@@NickKrishnan well, as chaotic showed; gold/silver did it 1st.
@davveromeliloto4306
@davveromeliloto4306 2 года назад
Dude this whole run insane, the first part with the berries is the worst self inflicted masochistic level torture i've ever seen in these challenges.. and i'm a full odds shiny hunter. You've got yourself a new subscriber, good job!
@MrMali22
@MrMali22 2 года назад
I just started playing Pokemon Go and I was amazed at how high the odds are at getting shinies. They took the fun out of shiny hunting.
@ByteSizedGamer
@ByteSizedGamer 2 года назад
@@MrMali22 yeah, doing a shiny living dex POC rn
@brotbrotsen1100
@brotbrotsen1100 2 года назад
@@MrMali22 Yeah, in go you get them all the time. I don't know a single person who doesn't have several shiny legendaries.
@RabblesTheBinx
@RabblesTheBinx Год назад
@@brotbrotsen1100 I only have one, but then, I never do raids or... well, anything involved with interacting with other people.
@keksidy
@keksidy 2 года назад
You beat Whitney so bad she actually had a reason to cry
@PinkBunnyCorporation
@PinkBunnyCorporation 2 года назад
Yeah, the level discrepency was so high that dragonite probably killed her pokemon.
@thunderrush_123
@thunderrush_123 2 года назад
Bro u legit just copied exactly what Johnstone said after he beat Whitney on his Pokémon gold professor oak challenge lmao 😂
@stumpytheviolator3118
@stumpytheviolator3118 2 года назад
If you ever do a Johto run again, here's a little secret, immediately after releasing the beasts head west to the route with grass, you will always encounter one, that you can use the Pokedex to track it. The route on the way to the moo moo farm.
@pkmntrainermark8881
@pkmntrainermark8881 Год назад
*What?* That's good to know.
@derek3231
@derek3231 2 года назад
My head cannon is that a fair number of gen 1 pokemon are actually native to Johto, not Kanto. There are a handful that are exclusive to the safari zone - where you would go to see something exotic - or are a one off through a trade.
@dannysantos1592
@dannysantos1592 2 года назад
Same way some gen 2 Pokémon like houndour are only in kanto
@marnixmaximus3053
@marnixmaximus3053 2 года назад
Like which pokemon would be native to Johto from gen 1? I like the idea, but which ones would be native?
@derek3231
@derek3231 2 года назад
@@marnixmaximus3053 Pinsir, Scyther, Tauros, and Farfetch’d were the ones I had in mind, since they are catchable in the wild in Johto. Even though the bugs are in the park, a national park seems like preservation and exhibition of native wildlife or geography.
@dittmar104
@dittmar104 2 года назад
Eevee is probably native to kalos being one of the few places to find them in the wild far from human contact.
@brotbrotsen1100
@brotbrotsen1100 2 года назад
@@dittmar104 Also aviable in the wild in sinnoh now. And iirc they are canonicaly in the wild in yellow and let's go atleast, just not case for gameplay.
@cnry-phigros
@cnry-phigros 2 года назад
I actually wanted to attempt this, and I tried it on an emulator. I knew about the berry tree for moon stone part, but I thought that won't be a problem. It was, I didn't realize berries only sell for 5 poke dollars. So I quit, even though I was using an emulator and changing my computer's clock, which was faster than changing the game's clock. So I can't imagine how painful your experience must have been.
@pannekook2000
@pannekook2000 2 года назад
I am pretty sure you can write macros in mgba and then just leave it on overnight
@cnry-phigros
@cnry-phigros 2 года назад
@@pannekook2000 interesting, though I don't know how to do that and I don't want to leave my computer overnight. Thanks for the advice though
@joeltowart8396
@joeltowart8396 5 месяцев назад
​@pannekook2000 if you're going to that much trouble you may as well just cheat....
@Medabee8
@Medabee8 2 года назад
11:10 - If you take the ladder to the lower level where Swift is contained, the wild Pokemon are a higher level. :)
@assordante2205
@assordante2205 2 года назад
It's so crazy that some pokemon introduced in gen 2 aren't available until the post game. Not to mention a pseudo legendary after all 16 badges.
@ayylmao7669
@ayylmao7669 2 года назад
First time seeing ur channel and wanna say the editing, style of script, and general layout of this vid are excellent. Succinct and clear commentary of everything. Cheers!
@idonknowhoami
@idonknowhoami Год назад
These Prof Oak challenges are hands down the most insane and impressive Pokemon videos I've ever seen. Absolutely next level.
@Vemedu142
@Vemedu142 2 года назад
Ah, the Cynthia of all professor Oak's challenges. Well done!
@thelegacyofgaming2928
@thelegacyofgaming2928 2 года назад
More like the Whitney amirite?
@macewindu5195
@macewindu5195 2 года назад
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 no
@direwolfgirlie
@direwolfgirlie 2 года назад
great video!! seeing Johto in these games always brings up good feels.. also your Pickup Squad method is awesome! utilizing it rn on a new run of Pokemon Shield congrats on getting so many subscribers, hope you get hundreds more! 👍👍👍
@ExcenGaming
@ExcenGaming 2 года назад
That's an insane level of commitment and sanity you possess. I would have quit hour 2 into collecting the berries at the very start. Props, you've definitely earned a new subscriber
@explosiveswine7354
@explosiveswine7354 2 года назад
Never watched you channel before but I was eating meatballs while browsing recommended and saw your name so I thought it would be fitting. Good video I subbed
@MarianoPingitore
@MarianoPingitore 2 года назад
You could speed up a bit the hunting of the roamers, getting the first one right off the bat after awakening them. immediatly after they are freed do the following: 1-save 2-dig or escape rope out of burned tower 3-go out to the route south or west of ecruteak 4- repel with a pokemon first in your party that is higher level than the normal wild pokemon in the route you are but lower than lvl 40 (preferrably faster than the lvl 40 roamers and with a trapping move) 5- run into the grass until you either get the roamer or you don't. if you don't reset and repeat. you can pretty easily and consistently get one roamer immediatly with this method, as they flee and go to any of the adjacent routes
@Sherrif_Frog
@Sherrif_Frog 2 года назад
I actually bought Gold for the 3DS recently. Nice to see you do a vid on it :)
@choatixtherobot
@choatixtherobot 2 года назад
This time you had the Dragonair to grind, but same thing applies in Crystal and GS, you can get to Route 44 as soon as you GET 7 badges, just cannot fight Clair until clearing rockets, for extra things to grind.
@imamagg0t
@imamagg0t 2 года назад
Dude you’re so underrated. The thought you put into everything is incredible
@Arthur-ek7nd
@Arthur-ek7nd 2 года назад
I wish people doing these challenges would just complete the whole dex and allow trading for the pokemon that require it to evolve... I want to see the dialogue when you have the completed dex lol
@anthonyizquierdo5467
@anthonyizquierdo5467 2 года назад
Congratulations on hitting 100k chaotic!!! You deserve it! Great content!! Keep up the phenomenal work. Always enjoy when a new video drops. And best of luck with your Shiny POC in let’s go!!!
@theconqueror12
@theconqueror12 2 года назад
Congrats on 100k subs!!! You deserve it man! Hell of a grind through 2021. Glad I could help contribute!
@jesuscryst3239
@jesuscryst3239 2 года назад
Chaotic, you're so close to 100k! Congrats, you deserve it my man! Also can't wait for shiny PO challenge!
@lucasyoungers
@lucasyoungers 2 года назад
God this POC looks like hell. I'm about 2/3s of the way through a Red POC, and I thought the 4% safari mons and Dragonite were bad, but they're nothing on this. Very impressive.
@nathvaillan9954
@nathvaillan9954 2 года назад
We always love a Penguinz0 reference
@Rafaelinux
@Rafaelinux 2 года назад
My hand automatically went towards the "plus" key on the keyboard to ease my suffering. I see there's still some muscle memories from the late 90's playing using NO$GMB.
@theshepdawg6809
@theshepdawg6809 2 месяца назад
Completed this challenge just today myself. It took me 139:39. At first, I was floored that I beat it in nearly half the time it took Johnstone. I was thinking “Was my emulator running differently or something?” or “Did I do something wrong?” But after seeing your time, nah, I guess I was just decently efficient.
@JakeHaugen
@JakeHaugen 2 года назад
Wow! Just your love and dedication to the game is amazing.
@loganoxendine9474
@loganoxendine9474 Месяц назад
Bald Meatball isnt real, he cant hurt you. 2021 Meatball: 👁👄👁 "Hi howareya"
@samratpalunwa139
@samratpalunwa139 2 года назад
That Charlie impression was impeccable.👌😆
@aebersausage1800
@aebersausage1800 2 года назад
When you start watching this at 130am, and finish watching it at 110am 🥴🥴
@rasenku2526
@rasenku2526 2 года назад
Imagen using the duping glitch you could've had more Pokemon count 🤣 I'm definitely going to do this as well with only the dupe glitch
@F34rANDl4ught3r
@F34rANDl4ught3r 4 месяца назад
i really appreciate all the wrestling references you make
@kingbanzai9118
@kingbanzai9118 2 года назад
IT IS FINALLY BACK
@brandontownsend2756
@brandontownsend2756 2 года назад
Name dropping Chris Benoit? That's a paddlin'
@jacoblawton7716
@jacoblawton7716 2 года назад
The tree grinding just seems so excessive. Like I know the point of a POC is to be tedious, but the 9 hours of berry farming is just too much to me. I feel like that should be an exception. Also you can't tell me that it's actually faster to grind 300 apricorns than to just gamble for the coins you need. GSC made the slots a lot easier to game. If you get somewhat good at timing the reel stops, you could easily get the coins you need in less than an hour.
@alexhirsch2528
@alexhirsch2528 2 года назад
Quality headbutt reference with Harley Race, Bryan Danielson, and Chris Benoit 👌
@TomoFoxFoxington
@TomoFoxFoxington 2 года назад
Dude, congratulations on 100K man! I looked at the subscriber count as you mentioned it, only 8 hours after premiere, that's super cool man! Can't wait to see what you decide to do for Subscribers special or other celebratory stuff. Congrats again man, you totally deserve it~
@maxhadanidea
@maxhadanidea 2 года назад
if you want another game to do a POC on then conquest seems like it would be an interesting one
@tymikolas9215
@tymikolas9215 2 года назад
If this wasn't enough work, some day you should do the same challenge with no cap on when species need to evolve, just catch every species between the gym leaders, and do all the leveling at the end of the game to see how much faster it is lol
@svx4401
@svx4401 2 года назад
I was wondering why he wasn't doing that. If it was to get the fastest time, no way is evolving dnite pre Whitney fast. Would have been way faster if he leveled in victory road or Mt silver.
@tymikolas9215
@tymikolas9215 2 года назад
@@svx4401 my guess would be to keep them all consistent as that seems to be one of his rules - finish the evolutions before the gym leader. I think it's a rule that has wasted alot of his time over these challenges though lol
@Mega11683
@Mega11683 2 года назад
So remove the entire premise of the POC? While it would be easier, it is an illegal move in the Oak Challenge community.
@tymikolas9215
@tymikolas9215 2 года назад
@@Mega11683 sorry - I am unfamiliar with the history of the POC, how it came about, and/or why this rule is the way it is. I think it's a silly rule irregardless
@Mega11683
@Mega11683 2 года назад
@@tymikolas9215 it's literally the only rule, besides no trading.
@TylerRolloGuitar
@TylerRolloGuitar 2 года назад
Pokemon Silver was my favorite and the one I spent the most time in, I'm so stoked to watch this.
@CanonGames
@CanonGames 2 года назад
Only Chaotic Meatball has the balls to say Chris Benoit during a POC lol
@jorenthar9186
@jorenthar9186 2 года назад
I was today years old when I learned headbutting trees would make Pokémons fall out of it...
@IronWolf123
@IronWolf123 2 года назад
Wow, Game Freak really hates evolution stones.
@Corveign
@Corveign 2 года назад
Big thanks for the effort and well made video! Quick thing: you forgot to include the headbut map
@ulisesvilasanchez1996
@ulisesvilasanchez1996 2 года назад
Hi, i recently found your channel, and I have to say, this is one of the most interesting concepts that I've seen in a while! One question... are you planning on doing another hackrom in the future? Because I think it would be interesting to see you attempting drayano's sacred gold or storm silver, since those rom hacks have pokedex completion challenges
@VishnooChandra
@VishnooChandra 2 года назад
And catching Arceus is possible only if you have caught the other 492 Pokémon and acquired all the 17 Arceus plates.
@Mega11683
@Mega11683 2 года назад
Between gens 1, 2, and 3, what's the quickest game for doing the POC?
@iimuffinsaur
@iimuffinsaur 2 года назад
"grab urself a drink or two" starts to shake my snapple
@iimuffinsaur
@iimuffinsaur 2 года назад
my snapple fact was pigs can get a sunburn enjoy
@Veridi
@Veridi 2 года назад
This game changed my life
@RJRacoon
@RJRacoon 2 года назад
Oh that brings back bad memories..
@mitchscott
@mitchscott 2 года назад
Been watching for a while, just subbed now! So close to 100k Congrats man! You deserve it 💪🏽
@seancompton4721
@seancompton4721 2 года назад
clicked the video because i like pokemon challenges, subbed after you made a wrestling joke because hell yeah brother
@JayPlays97
@JayPlays97 2 года назад
Well done with 100 thousand subscribers look forward to seeing what you put out for it
@OmegaSaiyanPrince
@OmegaSaiyanPrince 2 года назад
Just subbed, thanks for your content. Never forget your roots and keep on being you!!
@mazharsiddiqi7288
@mazharsiddiqi7288 Год назад
Another awesome POC Agree that 199 is such a triggering number since could've been 200 Really interesting Berry harvesting trick to make money
@tanglelover
@tanglelover 2 года назад
This looks difficult but awesome!
@wynngordon4297
@wynngordon4297 2 года назад
aaaaaahhhhh i love your videos sm!!!! maybe for a side vid you could see how long it takes for you to get all the unown variations even tho you dont anything from it.
@slateportraichu5416
@slateportraichu5416 2 года назад
Oh my Arceus, this one was a crazy one! You've suffered so much, I am so sorry=(You deserve so much more likes and comments!
@Jpc15
@Jpc15 2 года назад
I have to like all your videos I see out of the sheer amount of time you put into these. Respect!!!!
@LandofHeros2234
@LandofHeros2234 2 года назад
“BATTERY LOW”, Pichu and Cleffa…
@Blernster
@Blernster 2 года назад
Finding the 3 beasts took me probably at least 18 hours of using repel trick and running in grass etc. Followed every guide on the internet and they just would not show up
@RichieL1991
@RichieL1991 2 года назад
You gotta dig deep to find good methods for the Roamers! 😉
@VishnooChandra
@VishnooChandra 2 года назад
13:55 in Gold/Silver..you only get one each of Fire/Water/Thunder/Leaf Stone
@joshiii
@joshiii 2 года назад
200 subs away from that 100k!!!!!!!!! Let’s do this!
@acumenium8157
@acumenium8157 2 года назад
Gust is a Flying-type move in Gen 2 already. Pidgey could've handled Sprout Tower, I think. Hell of a run. Can't believe you farmed so many Berries. The Apricots were neat... I had no idea they sold for so much. Also your fortitude for putting up with not one, not even two, but three roamers, that takes congratulating! I can't even stand finding ONE of them, lol. 12:20 Headbutts are brutal! Bryan Danielson still does them periodically, but he's cut down a lot. A few years ago a Japanese wrestler (Katsuyori Shibata) had to retire due to a severe brain bleed after a headbutt (like others, it was a signature move of his), although he seems to be possibly coming back soon, and is a trainer now.
@MobileGamingChronicles
@MobileGamingChronicles 2 года назад
Congratulations on 100K subscribers!
@stacky54
@stacky54 2 года назад
Gen 2 is the best ever. Love any gen 2 videos!!!
@leonbrown4012
@leonbrown4012 2 года назад
congratulations on 100k subs man, keep it up!
@reynaampp
@reynaampp 2 года назад
What this guy does is so cool and BY THE WAY WHYY DOES CHAOTIC MEATBALL STILL DOESN'T HAVE 1M SUBSCRIBERS come on guys we can give him 1M subs By the way im a big fan of your work Mr. Chaotic Meatball
@MrZrbrownie
@MrZrbrownie 2 года назад
Johnstone is getting Vietnam flashbacks right about now.
@Drew57720
@Drew57720 2 года назад
Wooper is perfect the way it is. Quagsire is an abomination (shoutout to SmallAnt for opening my eyes to this AND to dig theory lol)
@soulslvr9562
@soulslvr9562 2 года назад
Congrats on 100k mate! I knew you could make it
@joeschof_95
@joeschof_95 2 года назад
The fact you can’t even get 200 mons in this game is kinda sad
@TheJuutai
@TheJuutai 2 года назад
Not in this challenge and on only one cart, no. But with trades evolutions, version exclusives and extra stones it's above 200.
@hesohit
@hesohit 9 месяцев назад
he could have found a nugget and cloned it for money
@marshadow205
@marshadow205 2 года назад
Happy 100k subs….amazing content as always
@NogginClontith91
@NogginClontith91 2 года назад
Amazing that you didn't encounter any shinies on this challenge!
@calamaria9221
@calamaria9221 2 года назад
....There have been other Pokemon generations that let you catch both box legendries. You just won't get a special reward if you have legendaries from different versions as it can tell if both came from the same version.
@jazzbot7307
@jazzbot7307 2 года назад
"no glitches" Proceeds to get 2.5k berries from one tree lmao
@ChaoticMeatballTV
@ChaoticMeatballTV 2 года назад
Not a glitch though, you can reset the time in-game as it's a mechanic.
@IGOGRRRRR
@IGOGRRRRR 2 года назад
Am I stupid or did I never see Shuckle?
@reksfilms8187
@reksfilms8187 2 года назад
whatever happened to the platinum poc? i wanted to revisit it before replaying the game myself
@JoshHolden-Aka-evani
@JoshHolden-Aka-evani 2 года назад
love these videos hope to see more
@Cheekysquirel
@Cheekysquirel 2 года назад
Are we going to get a update on the pokewalker challenge
@alessandrodigiraffe2355
@alessandrodigiraffe2355 2 года назад
congrats on 100k subs!!!!
@SoyDrinker
@SoyDrinker 2 года назад
you told me to grab a drink and a snack but i ate a sandwich 15 minutes ago and i dont want to eat more, i don't know what to do i cant stop crying
@pokemonprofessor8018
@pokemonprofessor8018 Год назад
I took about 3 hours for a 5% Gastly in Eterna forest in a Platinum challenge, I wasn’t speedrunning it tho
@rawrx
@rawrx 2 года назад
16:39 casual shiny bellossom
@Boñez42069
@Boñez42069 2 года назад
You are a mad man, I love these videos
@packlesswolf1
@packlesswolf1 2 года назад
I'm doing the eternal forest double battle shiny hunt in Brilliant Diamond and it's so daunting. I'm trying to find strength to go on with it.
@SuperNova098
@SuperNova098 2 года назад
is it against the rules to keep your todadile a todadile till level 28 then evolve so you dont need as much xp to level up? and do the same with all the other pokemon who have 2 evo?
@rorylastname7635
@rorylastname7635 2 года назад
Totodile needs just as much Exp to get to 30 as a Croconaw, and its the same with all Pokemon. The evolution trade off is earlier moves vs higher stats.
@maxhadanidea
@maxhadanidea 2 года назад
the post evolving level boost was added in gen 6, so it wouldn't work on gen 2 games, and no, that's not against the rules to keep a pokemon unevolved past their evolution level
@thelightningangel4959
@thelightningangel4959 2 года назад
Congrats on 100k dude
@joel2628
@joel2628 2 года назад
100K subs, bro. Congrats!!!
@drillindavies5187
@drillindavies5187 2 года назад
This is very nostalgic
@mattmckay9600
@mattmckay9600 2 года назад
I'm still waiting for the snake wood one of these
@marce3811
@marce3811 2 года назад
Congrats on 100k
@sLaMz1o1
@sLaMz1o1 2 года назад
No glitches, proceed to do time exploitation glitch
@jo3d1rt391
@jo3d1rt391 2 года назад
Just to think outside of the box does anybody think grinding to find a lucky egg on chanseys would be a good idea? I know the odds on chansey are slim and then finding one with a lucky egg even slimmer but I would think with the repel trick getting that egg would make up some time for grinding
@Jak-mcoc
@Jak-mcoc 2 года назад
Congratulations one the 100k sub
@bryanvalles1734
@bryanvalles1734 2 года назад
My favorite gen, I always have them on emulator. ❤
@Stink252
@Stink252 2 года назад
Couldn't you have reset for Return TMs in Goldenrod instead of berries in section 3?
@eyalinbar4845
@eyalinbar4845 2 года назад
Dont they only come once?
@Stink252
@Stink252 2 года назад
@@eyalinbar4845You can get one every Sunday. Simply change the in game clock to Sundays and you're making 500 a reset instead of 5. This wouldn't speed up the in game time, but would certainly speed up real time!
@eyalinbar4845
@eyalinbar4845 2 года назад
I just thought its on one sunday and thats it
@delcharmore3374
@delcharmore3374 2 года назад
@@eyalinbar4845 He needs it to evolve jigglybuff which he caught early and he CAN get the money through the berries so in the spirit of the challenge he has to do it this way.
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