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How did Russell T Davies (RTD) pave the way for the Marvel Cinematic Universe with his televisual shared Whoniverse?
Back in the last few years of the noughties there were plenty of rumblings about the newly formed Marvel Studios pulling off some kind of shared continuity. Iron Man had had his one movie and then popped up in The Incredible Hulk, and I remember a few mainstream UK movie critics at the time questioning the point of that. In fairness to them, it seemed like the kind of sequel baiting a studio would often do when getting far too ahead of themselves. I mean were Marvel and at the time Paramount really going to launch not just one but several successful franchises off the back of a bunch of B-listers before mashing them together for a team up film? Surely audiences wouldn’t keep up with everything? Surely the perceived quality of one project would negatively impact another? It had all the makings of being a red hot mess. But I was an early adopter to the MCU hype right from the start, and the reason for that wasn’t just my love of Marvel. It was because I’d grown up as a huge Doctor Who fan, and that series had just proven that all of these promises were possible.
Russell T Davies revived Doctor Who in 2005 and stayed on until the turn of the next decade with the 2010 News Years Day Special - The End of Time Part Two. In those years, not only did he successfully relaunch Doctor Who for both new and returning audiences of varying ages, he launched two spin offs shows that expanded the world and offered something different yet still in the same vein. Much like the heyday of the MCU, it meant that fans never had to go more than a few months without more live action Who adventures, and just like the MCU there were plenty of perspectives and people to follow and fall in love with. They even had their own Endgame style finale that saw just about everybody and every loose thread come together to face the Thanos of all enemies in Davros, creator of the Doctor’s arch foes. Just about everything the MCU was good at doing from 2008 to about 2019, the Whoniverse managed to pull off from 2005 to 2010. The only difference was that the Whoniverse shared world took place on the small screen, and Marvel were trying to do it on the silver screen...
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@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
What’s your favourite example of worldbuilding / tying things up neatly in this era? For me some noteworthy ones are: Gwen and Gwenyth’s genetic multiplicity Elton mentioning all of the alien incursions he had witnessed Wilf ending up being Donna’s grandad The Helicarrier, I mean cloud base, I mean the Valiant returning in S4
@lIiTITANiIl
@lIiTITANiIl Год назад
Mr Copper, from Voyage of the Damned, using his money to establish the Mr Copper Foundation, helping bring the Doctor back to Earth in Stolen Earth. (Also) The Trickster foreshadowing the Gate to the Doctor, in Sarah Jane, where little does he know that this is what will cause him to regenerate.
@annabelthegreat
@annabelthegreat Год назад
The use of family to show the stakes, not just the companion families but normal people, and the use of TV news
@markbechtold7372
@markbechtold7372 11 месяцев назад
I miss RTD's "mystery box" foreshadowing for the seasons. Even the single mention of "there is something on your back" in Fires of Pompeii. And i dont know if it was intentional, but "burn with me" in Smith and Jones and 42. He did them in better ways than Moffett. Though I do like the cracks in the universe in series 5. After that, no. Just no.
@dannyjarratt5414
@dannyjarratt5414 11 месяцев назад
For me, having only watched DW/TW when i watched episode one of SJA and found out her son was an adopted Slurm soda alien slime boy. That was pretty cool.
@cameronfraser1564
@cameronfraser1564 Год назад
“Labour camps, that’s what they called them last time” remains one of the most hard-hitting, fantastically written and beautifully acted pieces of television ever put to film.
@epicmadnesss
@epicmadnesss Год назад
What's that from
@marcosvfilho8687
@marcosvfilho8687 Год назад
​@@epicmadnesssTurn left, on series 4
@hannahp21
@hannahp21 Год назад
It gets me too.
@nicholasdickens2801
@nicholasdickens2801 Год назад
That needs to be told to Suella Braverman.
@whophd
@whophd Год назад
Yep. A good high point to nominate.
@sealionstudios8597
@sealionstudios8597 Год назад
It's about time Doctor Who gets the credit it deserves...for doing it better than everyone else; including Marvel 😎
@kieranleehamilton
@kieranleehamilton Год назад
Honestly, I teared up just watched Wilf and Rocco salute and each. When Wilf says “Labour camps. That’s what they called them last time” I don’t think I’ve ever been hit by a line of dialogue in a film or TV show quite like that.
@Meritania
@Meritania Год назад
I feel as though the Elephant in the Room you’re not mentioning is Big Finish. Like everybody who is anybody has had their own adventure… including the Paternoster Gang & Kate’s UNIT.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
It’s not quite the same as the live action stuff we got sharing the same space as the show in the 2000s. Not speaking to the quality of the stories but BF is supplementing the show, the audience for it is much smaller and more hardcore than the tv family audience
@emmagrace289
@emmagrace289 11 месяцев назад
High key RTD is the only person on Earth I trust to do the mutants properly in the MCU
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos 11 месяцев назад
He would certainly understand the oppression politics that are essential to the X Men world
@EGGPLAYUH420j9
@EGGPLAYUH420j9 Год назад
Finally the video he’s promised for years is out and I can already tell he cooked here
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Год назад
This and soon Series 5's Essay!!!
@EGGPLAYUH420j9
@EGGPLAYUH420j9 Год назад
@@marionbaggins i hope so i really want to see him talk about smiths best season
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Год назад
@@EGGPLAYUH420j9 He said he would and plus another video on a scene with 12...I hope they come out before the 60th!!!!
@EGGPLAYUH420j9
@EGGPLAYUH420j9 Год назад
@@marionbaggins yeah same I’d love to see him talk about 12 again after his video on the episode mummy on the orient express
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Okay, I shall endeavour to do all these before the end of the year! It was hard to get back in the WHO mood after all the mediocrity, but the 60th has pepped me up!
@lexruptor
@lexruptor Год назад
If RTD gives us Captain Jack Harkness and Professor River Song in the same episode, I'm gonna absolutely lose it, that would be so hype!!!!
@carealoo744
@carealoo744 Год назад
I doubt that will actually happen, although of course I hope it will. That being said, there is a Big Finish box set of stories where they do interact:)
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Год назад
Sadly it won't happen...For reasons, I won't go into.
@carealoo744
@carealoo744 Год назад
@@marionbaggins Never say never!
@TheProdigalNinja
@TheProdigalNinja 11 месяцев назад
@@carealoo744 If they did 3 things could happen, either they have to make a retcon (I don't think they'd ever do this) or do some unsatisfying handwaving (most likely) or it'll just be super confusing to 90% of viewers.
@carealoo744
@carealoo744 11 месяцев назад
@@TheProdigalNinja I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. They could just approach each other and say these exact words: "Ah! The famous Captain Jack Harkness/Professor River Song! How are you? I've been reading about your recent adventures with The Doctor- Well done!"
@williamantcliff7133
@williamantcliff7133 Год назад
The video we've been waiting years for 🎉
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Yep, sorry mate! Eventually I deliver 😂
@britanimations2002
@britanimations2002 Год назад
Why would you reset the five years in Endgame? For one thing it's given us interesting storylines and a reset button, even if the character journeys weren't reset would still feel cheap. Also the Starks would loose their child which is messed up
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Год назад
That's why Last of the Timelords is more messed up, because it gets reconned while Endgame, those 5 years stayed.
@dannyjarratt5414
@dannyjarratt5414 11 месяцев назад
I think the companion support group, could be a great place for an anthology series which focus on single or pairs of companions. Small good stories which focus on a single character. Perhaps they could be connected with a mystery.
@lerchfreyley1
@lerchfreyley1 Год назад
It wasn't the first time. Back in the early 90s there was a group if shows on TV that shared universes
@HeyJay2000
@HeyJay2000 Год назад
To be fair, New Who hasn't, until recently, been in sync with our current time. They tend to be off by a few months or even a few years. Everytime they fix it the following season says something stupid like "I haven't seen you in two years" 😅😅
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
It was a year ahead after aliens of London but it still progressed in a linear fashion that was easy to keep up with. Moffats timelines went all over the shop 😂
@richardbourton4523
@richardbourton4523 8 месяцев назад
The Sarah Jane Adventures is the most consistently well written show in the Whoniverse and definitely worth a watch if you haven’t watched it fully. There’s some great stories in there, and even the slightly weaker episodes are still pretty great.
@DexterWho89
@DexterWho89 Год назад
The next series of Doctor Who will be the 50th season of the Whoniverse, which is absolutely insane.
@FlourishPorridge
@FlourishPorridge 11 месяцев назад
Wolf Studios Wales, where Doctor Who is made now, has a sign that reads: "home of DWU" irc
@golden_gloo
@golden_gloo 11 месяцев назад
Would be interesting to see Russel write a spinoff series for the fugitive doctor with a darker tone and do something with the character that I feel has really had its potential wasted in Chibnall era.
@o1phoenix79
@o1phoenix79 Год назад
Goodness. I had to turn down the brightness on my screen for each time he came on the screen. Considering most of the Doctor Who footage was during the night and his onscreen footage was shockingly bright, it made a good video rather distracting.
@JamesBurtenshaw
@JamesBurtenshaw Год назад
Great video Matt! Well worth the wait 🙌
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Glad you think so man! Thanks for waiting!
@whophd
@whophd Год назад
Excellent summary. Nice, nice summary. And good choice to highlight Turn Left. I’m still more forgiving of Class, though. Following the lockdowns, I’ve continued to dive into a decade-long list of to-do watchlists and re-watchlists … and the surprising thing is how good some “iceberg” series are to watch on their own, having broken off the main shelf of ice and drifted away. I found the same thing with Star Trek Enterprise, another series poorly received - the trick with these iceberg series is to come to them at a totally different time in your life, and not in the middle of a binge-watch of associated shows. Completely on its own, and completely with its own flavour, shows like Class and Star Trek Enterprise introduce you to new tone. And new tone is important, right? Just as true as with Jodie Whitaker, and Chris Chibnall’s different style of outdoor-and-landscape visual language. His picks for incidental music and directors set a new direction and showed us what could be … but you have to give these ideas a chance in isolation.
@Chocolatenigma
@Chocolatenigma Год назад
Just wanted to say that the Paternoster gang did get a spin-off, a series of audio dramas through Big Finish
@kieranleehamilton
@kieranleehamilton Год назад
Damn man, almost wish you drop this a month from now cause I’m hyped and with the 60th was closer
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Guess you’ll just have to watch this video again before the 60th 🤓😂😂
@connorlat0129
@connorlat0129 11 месяцев назад
How come the lighting is so bright?
@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat
Godzilla Showa Era definitely did it first and really well. With King Ghidorah as the Thanos. Heisei Godzilla was way better though.
@v2b712
@v2b712 Год назад
Hey Matt I was just rewatching your video on the best DW regeneration. It got me thinking bout Whittakers regeneration and the similarities it has with the 9th regeneration, with a sprinkle of Tennant. For all the faults of Chibnall (and making the doctor regenerate on her own), I think it could be interesting to discuss where it ranks and what other people's opinions are on it. Would u at some point in the future make a vid on it? :)
@SupaKen74
@SupaKen74 Год назад
The spin-off I would most want to see is the Paternoster Gang. Second to that would be River Song, but she is best when paired with the Doctor.
@Jiub_SN
@Jiub_SN 11 месяцев назад
Yeah river wouldn't be very interesting solo, most of her character appeal is her relation with the doctor, though that does leave other aspects of her open for exploration. I don't get why moffat didn't make any spin-offs when he had a ton of solid characters to work with
@evolve991
@evolve991 11 месяцев назад
Doctor Who blazed the path for science fiction TV and Delia brought the world EDM,progressive rock,techno and disco
@TommyLednorMusic
@TommyLednorMusic Год назад
At long last… it’s Christmas!
@bentaylor1523
@bentaylor1523 Год назад
I got that reference
@owenjolley351
@owenjolley351 11 месяцев назад
*I’m pretty sure if Elizabeth Sladen was still alive today then the Sarah Jane Adventures would have went on until at least 2015/2016.*
@Mushfiqur25
@Mushfiqur25 Год назад
Is it me or is he about to regenerate
@ishathakor
@ishathakor Год назад
i actually really miss rtd era doctor who for the spinoffs. we haven't really had any good doctor who spinoffs since. there was class i guess but that kind of sucked. i liked the doctor who spinoffs with different tones that are focused on different themes idea. there are SO many potential spin off shows that could be really good. i think a unit show could be good. i'd like to see a humans on earth fighting aliens show again. i think it would be cool to pick other settings too, maybe at a different time in history.
@StephenLeGresley
@StephenLeGresley Год назад
They should do a reversal to get the new spin off's off the ground. Instead of having the shows exists for a few seasons and then do a team up, they should do a team up and branch off spin off shows from the characters that test well. And who should be the villain? I think The Valeyard would work perfectly. Have him target people who've worked with The Doctor before like Gwen, UNIT and the Bannerman Road Gang etc and have them all brought together to stop him. Give him some kind of world ending plan that even The Doctor has trouble with and it could re-ignite the idea that other people have to take up the defence of Earth when The Doctor's not around. Have Gwen head up a new Torchwood team under UNIT with Kate as a Nick Fury type and have Luke Smith, Clyde and Rani bring together a new Bannerman Road team with Luke taking over from Sarah Jane and Clyde and Rani as mentors to the new kids in the group.
@Extinguisher10
@Extinguisher10 Год назад
12:10 reminds me of the state of where i live (Western Washington). 10 years ago i had no problem going for a walk at night, now I'm cautious about doing it during the day. Plus all the theft i whitnessed over just the past year at my local Safeway. Younger me wouldn't believe it. Does anyone know of a safe and prosperous place to live? Id love yo move :(
@GatorInVirtual
@GatorInVirtual 11 месяцев назад
Didnt they announce a UNIT spin off? Was that a rumour?
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos 11 месяцев назад
Just a rumour… for now
@DanW21
@DanW21 11 месяцев назад
If they do 1 I think jus be kate Stewart. I doubt we have cameos from new who now 😂
@silvermoon332
@silvermoon332 11 месяцев назад
multiple doctors showing up in SJA is very funny in retrospect because child me had no idea who they were. who is that man
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos 11 месяцев назад
Did you watch SJA first?!
@silvermoon332
@silvermoon332 11 месяцев назад
@@FullFatVideos yeah, it was on CBBC! plus nobody in my family watched doctor who until jodie whittaker's doctor was announced
@DanW21
@DanW21 Год назад
Tbf I did get into doctor who through Sarah Jane adventures as well 😂
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Wow that’s mad! But I’m glad you did
@gerrardjones28
@gerrardjones28 Год назад
Another doctor who video from you, let's goooo! Or should i say Allons-y!
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Moto bene!
@SteamDix
@SteamDix 11 месяцев назад
It's nice Idea with The Doctor In Marvel Universe... BUT this can't work... Because The Doctor Who Universe have the Timerule: Self-interfering Paradox And the MCU: The Grandfather Paradox And Yes I split the Different Movie Universe into ParadoxTimelines, and YES The MCU play in the Grandfather Paradox universe.
@vinniequick
@vinniequick Год назад
the 8th Doctor Show purely as we've seen 8 as THE Doctor in audio let's let him go darker, let's see a Doctor get serious
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Год назад
Just read the books.
@vinniequick
@vinniequick Год назад
@@mayotango1317 yeah but on screen
@hecty8667
@hecty8667 11 месяцев назад
Bro how are you predicting everything LOL
@brinnrobinson17
@brinnrobinson17 Год назад
One theory out there is that Jack was there in good man goes to war but gets decapitated by the headless monks and then over the years after he becomes the face of boe
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
That would have been cool
@mortal6134
@mortal6134 10 месяцев назад
NuNu Who ❌ Disney Who ✅ Doctor Who Season 1 ❌ Doctor Who Volume 1 ✅
@samueljones4699
@samueljones4699 Год назад
I don’t about first universe. There’s been loads before that. Lots of old marvel cartoons fed into each other. I know that’s sorta cheating as it’s comicbook stuff but since your comparing to mcu then it’s derived from the same material. Plus lots of anime and non western stuff was going it.
@Zero-4793
@Zero-4793 Год назад
call it the WU (triple U) for whovian universe
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Double U - U I like it 😂 triple U
@camxi2416
@camxi2416 Год назад
holy finally
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Long have you waited
@forcedalek
@forcedalek Год назад
I really how Gwen cooper makes a return!
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Gwen Cooper MUST come back
@forcedalek
@forcedalek Год назад
@@FullFatVideos if she is in the 60th I’m going to actually just jump into my tv
@danielgertler5976
@danielgertler5976 11 месяцев назад
😂 I always get a laugh out of the idea that Marvel needed someone to have a shared universe before them, as if they hadn't been doing the same thing since WW2, as if hollywood hadn't been doing it since the classic era monster movies. Also Star Trek did it before Doctor Who, if we're talking big name Scifi Series.
@jackthefrog80085
@jackthefrog80085 4 месяца назад
Avengers is cool but nothing beats all of the Doctor's friends pilotong the TARDIS to drive the earth back to the solar system
@horatioal-saadi5021
@horatioal-saadi5021 11 месяцев назад
Listen full fat, we're going to need a tier list of every episode of the show soon enough...
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos 11 месяцев назад
Wow that would be a job
@davidrohde2636
@davidrohde2636 Год назад
Yes Martha's development was important and integral to the show until all she was whittled down to a woman just wanting a man. All the times she returned she was engaged or getting married to Lucifer but then all of the sudden she's now just mikeys wife. Wasted potential
@darrylmars
@darrylmars 11 месяцев назад
Marvel’s MCU is DEAD, though it was fun for awhile. Remains to be seen if RTD can save the Doctor. Fingers crossed. RU-vids new ad policy is unbearable goodbye
@isaacmarshmallow8751
@isaacmarshmallow8751 Год назад
The DCAU did it first
@TimHornenothorny
@TimHornenothorny Год назад
And no relax cos that was a hell of a stretch.
@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957
@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957 Год назад
I mean tbh yeah
@Reginald425
@Reginald425 Год назад
Of course tbh yeah
@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957
@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957 Год назад
@@Reginald425 because tbh....yeah
@brobs0463
@brobs0463 Год назад
For anyone who’s debating on watching Torchwood. If you loved the darker tone of ‘Turn Left’ you will enjoy Torchwood
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Absolutely. Tbh going back through it for this video has made me really want to do a full video on it
@dst9997
@dst9997 Год назад
@@FullFatVideosWould love to see a Torchwood vid! Those first two seasons are packed full of wonderful episodes and characters, Children of Earth is just a timeless and truly horrifying and brilliant piece of TV, and Miracle Day is an incredibly different but superbly well-realised and engaging season. Miss that show.
@AndrewLuke
@AndrewLuke Год назад
Is rape adult now?
@RickReasonnz
@RickReasonnz Год назад
I sooo miss Torchwood. What a fantastic time that was.
@volrogue
@volrogue 11 месяцев назад
Eh, I just can't watch it. The writing is just too... mid to bad
@VesiustheBoneCruncher
@VesiustheBoneCruncher Год назад
Can almost smell Disney fancying RTD for Marvel or Star Wars. I would say he is on an extended job interview with this run of DW. He knows how to make a show red hot on a budget, and they desperately need that - he also knows how to build a franchise … if he doesn’t screw it up I can see him being a very in demand commodity. Already I can see that these specials are an audition for a movie, and good for him.
@Skuldug
@Skuldug Год назад
It certainly doesn't hurt his connections to disney/marvel What property could you see him doing with marvel? I could see him doing alot with f4 and xmen but he'll probably still be attached to who by the time they're introduced
@himwiththehair8118
@himwiththehair8118 Год назад
I read somewhere that George Lucas offered RTD a job writing for Clone Wars, but RTD turned him down.
@VesiustheBoneCruncher
@VesiustheBoneCruncher Год назад
@@Skuldug I can see him possibly in a more overview role, especially the serialised content - what they have done has broadly I would say not worked as they hoped, and he has proven expertise there. I think F4 would be a good fit for a single project - small team dynamics, and bringing a human element to sci-fi is also right up his street.
@LIMITLESS_FILMS
@LIMITLESS_FILMS Год назад
I just really want to make sure this shared Whoniverse isn't spread to thin, or become over-saturated like the MCU. Yes, a UNIT spin-off would be cool, and I don't know, maybe we get some one off's like a series with the eight doctor and some other stuff, but don't over do it. Doctor Who fans have plenty of content to hold them over between series like novels, comics, and audio adventures, not to mention the 60 years of TV episodes they can always go back and re-visit. So these spin-offs need to appeal to more then just the handful of Classic Who fans who want to see Nyssa, Teagan, and Ace team up to stop a Sitheen Secret Invasion. These shows, and potential mini-series need to be deployed carefully, thoughtfully, and have an actual reason for existing. Just like how Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures explored different sides to the world, and had there own target audience. Ideally, you want people who never really cared about Doctor Who, to get into it because they really enjoyed one of the spin-offs, not just the other way around.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Absolutely! I don’t want it to feel like Star Wars where there’s absolutely too much and it’s watered the brand down. But I think RTD is smarter than that
@hannahp21
@hannahp21 Год назад
While I agree with most points, not all viewers read the books/comics (I don’t). I think there is enough now in the whoniverse that most could rewatch everything between each series being aired.
@Scarlett90
@Scarlett90 Год назад
I feel the Star Trek Universe is a better example, their current raft of shows are all quite unique Strange New Worlds is the traditional episodic style Trek Discovery is the super cinematic, serialised Trek Picard was the nostalgia fest Trek Prodigy is the Clone Wars-esque, for Kids, Trek (though is good enough for all audiences) Lower Decks is the 30 minute animated comedy sitcom (though it has a lot more going for it than that) They also limit the number of concurrent series too, instead of endlessly putting out new series, making it impossible to keep up. All the series take place in the same shared universe, but they don't rely on each other, so people arent expected to watch all of them to enjoy one of them.
@LIMITLESS_FILMS
@LIMITLESS_FILMS Год назад
@@Scarlett90 Yeah, that’s important too. I don’t want to be watching Doctor Who, and be confused because there’s a plot point that doesn’t make sense unless you watched The Weeping Angels spinoff and the Omega Miniseries.
@joebees21
@joebees21 Год назад
This truly was the pinnacle of Doctor Who media. May not have always been perfect but it truly kept us all hooked. And it's never been the same since.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Truly. Loved the Moffat eta but there was no interconnectivity
@Morphed626
@Morphed626 Год назад
Ive always seen this as a pioneering and seriously underrated universe building. The BBC really dropped the ball with fleshing out this world further.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Год назад
That why is work. Doctor Who is not the MCU.
@SilverStormShadow
@SilverStormShadow 11 месяцев назад
I would love an Ace centred show, Ace is such an interesting classic companion to me and I think she still has a lot of story left to tell. We know Davies planned to bring Ace into SJA before the passing of Elizabeth Sladen, so I do hope that there could be a show focused on Ace. Of course, a new Torchwood season would be fantastic, Kate and Osgood in a show together definitely has potential and a show with 10 and 11 together sounds like a fantastic idea.
@The0thDoctor
@The0thDoctor 11 месяцев назад
Ace also has K9 now, as per Russells own written Farewell Sarah Jane short, definitely a seed being planted.
@hmshood319
@hmshood319 10 месяцев назад
Apparently there is a non-cannon storyline where Ace goes to the timelord academy and becomes a timelady before working for the timelord secret service. I'd love to see that as a TV show
@lja1993
@lja1993 10 месяцев назад
On the topic of Turn Left, let's not forget that this is also basically its own What If episode before the MCU did it
@barney9456
@barney9456 Год назад
I would love to see an Ace & UNIT spinoff, featuring appearances from former companions, Gwen Cooper, Bannerman Road gang and River Song for an episode, also an Eighth Doctor mini/limited series, and have him crossover and in two episodes meeting Ace
@NankitaBR
@NankitaBR Год назад
I just had a thought while watching this video and now I DESPERATELY want this to be true. If Donna doesn't die/lose her memories again after this specials and Catherine Tate is up for it we could get a freaking *Donna Noble COMEDY spin-off for Doctor Who!!!* Can you even imagine that? God, how I want that now!!!!
@carolinemcgovern4488
@carolinemcgovern4488 Год назад
My god that would be epic! Put that on the list of things I didn't know I needed until now- Have Donna investigating weird Phemonona and trying to raise her kid at the same time.
@jonathanskinner7647
@jonathanskinner7647 Год назад
Me, seeing the video he’s promised us for literal YEARS being out: “Long have I waited”
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Ah that’s so nice to hear honestly. Thought people might have forgotten this one
@-Lindol-
@-Lindol- Год назад
Quite Frankly RTD was copying what worked for Star Trek, Buffy/Angel, and even Stargate had a spinoff show come out the same time as Davies had his first season of New Who. RTD didn't pioneer jack so much as follow a common formula.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
That’s true but I think it felt less like spin offs of a show and more of a shared world like the MCU, where everything was weaving together constantly and felt like it was building towards an epic planned crossover
@Nick-kz6dg
@Nick-kz6dg Год назад
I’d say Star Trek beat Doctor Who to the punch back in the 90s with TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
@MrTrevcarter
@MrTrevcarter 10 месяцев назад
UPDATE: Harriet Jones. If you find a copy of "Now we are 600" A Doctor Who poetry book by James Goss, illustrations by RTD himself, shows what really happened to her. Basically, a trap door opens up through which she falls onto a mattress and jumps onto a motorbike. And off... Russell is quoted saying that, he drew it, so it's cannon. Well worth a read. Great video essay. T ; )
@theburgerking746
@theburgerking746 Год назад
I disagree about the 5 year time jump in endgame, if they had rewound time everyone would complain about Endgame not having consequences
@EvanSawyer4
@EvanSawyer4 Год назад
Agreed. Also the pandemic made this a non issue. We’ve caught up with the story in the year of our lord Thanos 2023
@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat
The Paternoster Gang and Kate/Osgood UNIT got spin offs in Big Finish and I highly recommend them. Edit: All of your suggested spin offs are available right now via Big Finish. Even Class got redeemed 😅.
@MMartinVideo
@MMartinVideo Год назад
Caught Bernard Cribbins on an old episode of Buzzcocks the other night. What a true gem. Great video, has definitely inspired a long overdue rewatch
@william2496
@william2496 Год назад
Jack Harkness isn't named after Agatha Harkness and RTD didn't name him, Moffat named him after a comic book character mentioned in the 2nd Doctor TV story where he went to the Land of Fiction
@enki345
@enki345 Год назад
RTD has said numerous times, on his instagram, in confidential, in interviews etc, that he named Jack after Agatha.
@RickReasonnz
@RickReasonnz Год назад
@@enki345 A weird deep dive to name a character after.
@Jiub_SN
@Jiub_SN 11 месяцев назад
@@RickReasonnzI've seen weirder. It isn't as blatant as naming him stark or rodgers, but for those who know it's a clear connection. It's kinda a useful thing to do for writers when making a Ben, pick a relatively obscure character similar in some way to yours for a bit of a reference or maybe foreshadowing
@thephoenixsystem6765
@thephoenixsystem6765 Год назад
River and Jack. The most devastating power couple the universe has never seen.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
It is mad there was never even a special
@GabrielH1
@GabrielH1 Год назад
I’ve only just clicked on this but I know it’s gonna be a banger
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Thank you dude!!!
@lbricks7631
@lbricks7631 Год назад
Doctor Who's extra shows felt more like accompaniements to the main show, a side to a main course meal. Best cohesive universe built over multiple shows and movies is the DCAU, consistently putting out stories from 1992-2006. The MCU never lived up to what DC did on the small screen.
@roblutter
@roblutter 11 месяцев назад
Buffy did this first and even quicker than Doctor Who. You’d have a character leaving for LA on Buffy and they would show up on that week’s episode of Angel. It must’ve been crazy to juggle.
@bentaylor1523
@bentaylor1523 Год назад
Fans have waited a long time and now you have finally delivered this banger!!!
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Appreciate you!!!!
@TSteele2017
@TSteele2017 Год назад
Really well crafted video. Perfect analysis of why this model is such a success! Bring on the next Torchwood.
@artyb27
@artyb27 Год назад
"Whoniverse" was right there my dude! Great video, so excited to see what RTD does in this golden age of TV.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Haha it’s in the thumbnail
@miradarkpath8738
@miradarkpath8738 Год назад
Torchwood - more like the friends we made out with along the way
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Hahah yep
@VideoGameVillians
@VideoGameVillians Год назад
You say the MCU time jump is messy and sits poorly with you, I on the other hand feel like the Doctor Who time jump you use as an example alternative is a time jump cop out. I would have been extremely disappointed if the MCU undid the time jump at the end of the movie because it would remove the consequences of losing in part 1. I mean sure, some people might still be dead, but that's actually even messier as nobody except them can even begin to explain how this perfectly alive character is just suddenly dead now during at point in time that has no longer happened.
@TrollStack
@TrollStack Год назад
I prefer the Who CU
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
That sounds better but it’s not cinematic gaha
@lukebaxter3252
@lukebaxter3252 Год назад
As someone who is starting to be a big fan of Doctor Who, seeing how rich the universe is, it's honestly shocking we hardly have a shared universe these days. It would be awesome to see stuff in the universe that doesn't follow our titular Doctor. It's part of why I enjoyed Torchwood so much.
@VuddyProductions
@VuddyProductions Год назад
i think the zygon invasion story is a good example of what i want from a "whoniverse". A series of events over multiple stories culminating in a big globetrotting epic that caps off the storyline. Of course, there's only one other episode that relates to that story, but think of the main show and spin-offs each having their own parts to a shared story arc that culminates on the main show. really i think showrunners need a grand plan for their runs because it's always really been made up as they go along. W video
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 Год назад
That crap ruin the MCU.
@VuddyProductions
@VuddyProductions Год назад
@@mayotango1317 the smaller stories across the spin-offs don't have to be connected and shouldn't all be important to the culminations, they should just provide extra value if you want to follow all the shows. Picture it like if there was some kind of lead-in to the monk trilogy of series 10, so those in the know can gain extra value but it's not a requirement.
@jonnaughton
@jonnaughton Год назад
I’d love to see a “former companions” anthology where each episode is a standalone “mini-movie” with a different companion that’s in the tone of Black Mirror or Inside Number 9.
@Extinguisher10
@Extinguisher10 Год назад
Doctor Who hasn't felt right since the end the Ponds era
@SmashBrosAssemble
@SmashBrosAssemble 4 месяца назад
It’s a shame they dropped the whole Doctor Who shared universe, Torchwood unceremoniously ended, & Sarah Jane Adventures just stopped after Liz Sladen sadly passed. I think they should’ve continued with the cast of characters from these shows, give them closure at least.
@jonathandoering6499
@jonathandoering6499 Год назад
Great video, I've been really Ill today and this has really cheered me up.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
So good to hear! Get well soon
@badwolf66
@badwolf66 Год назад
*RTD2 LET'S FKN GOOOOO!!!* But yeah one for the kids one for the adults and perhaps an animated series would work also! Great analysis when it comes to the spinoffs you really did your research, good job FFV!
@RR-hp5po
@RR-hp5po 10 месяцев назад
I would say star trek did it first, with Next Gen, DS9 & Voyager as well the next gen flims running in tandem at certain periods.
@Elnont
@Elnont 11 месяцев назад
Children of earth was the best season of Torchwood writing wise but the team dynamic with Owen and tosh overruled that tbh. S1/2 of Torchwood are peak.
@Azeria
@Azeria 11 месяцев назад
The curse of having lived in Cardiff is knowing that 8:05 and 27:15 are the exact same street. The latter scene pretending to be just round the corner from St Paul’s.
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos 11 месяцев назад
It’s funny when you live somewhere and movies try to pass it off as something else. Felt the same during all the Greenwich stuff in Now You See Me 2 and Thor The Dark World 😂
@OverWims
@OverWims 11 месяцев назад
Doctor Who actually had a time skip issue due to Series 1. It skipped 1 year ahead when Rose went missing. So Series 1 was released in 2005 but set in 2005-2006. Series 2 was released in 2006 but set in 2007, series 3 was released in 2007 but set in 2008 (except the main section of Blink which is technically a flashback to 2007 and the ending is actually present day 2008). Series 4 was released in 2008 but set in 2009. Then the specials were released in 2009 but also set in 2009. This is what fixed the time skip. As only Planet of the Dead and The End of Time were set in present day, it was easy to have the timeline fixed this way. (I suppose this would mean that Planet of the Dead is set during Series 4 but it's a time travel show so why not have 2 different Doctor's simultaneously)
@The0thDoctor
@The0thDoctor 11 месяцев назад
Series 3 was implied to be 2007 though a la what John Smith said in Human Nature. I think the S1 time skip sounded cool but it also kinda messed things up in a way that was not really addressed.
@OverWims
@OverWims 11 месяцев назад
@@The0thDoctor forgot about John Smith's dream scene. Yeah it messed it up for sure.
@boo453
@boo453 Год назад
Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis were already doing this like a year before NuWho even aired
@boo453
@boo453 Год назад
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure Star Trek was doing this throughout the 90s
@FullFatVideos
@FullFatVideos Год назад
Stargate sucks though lol. Even the original film isn’t very good
@boo453
@boo453 Год назад
Your feelings don't change the fact it did it before Who though. When NuWho first came out Stargate was literally the biggest Sci-Fi series that was still on the air at that time. Doctor Who probably saw that shared universes with interconnecting plots could work because SG-1/Atlantis were doing it. Though I will grant you that the extent of the interconnecting plots wasn't as big as it was in Doctor Who (no big climax happening in both shows), but each show did feed into each other in ways that wasn't problematic if you only watched one show (*cough* unlike the Arrowverse). And I'm aware that Stargate wasn't the first to do it either. Star Trek was doing it, and so was Buffy/Angel. I just don't know to what extent as I don't stan those shows. (big Stargate stan). I do agree with you that the original Stargate film kinda sucks though, I much prefer the series.@@FullFatVideos
@TempoLOOKING
@TempoLOOKING 11 месяцев назад
​@boo453 you got good taste....origins though sucked
@RetroRobotRadio
@RetroRobotRadio 8 месяцев назад
I have been watching shared universes since the Jeffersons spun off All In the Family. Nothing new about them.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 Год назад
I feel like a unit show would be great for getting more global stories instead of just around the uk. Plus it's more feasible with the new Disney money.
@haileyshannon7548
@haileyshannon7548 11 месяцев назад
I remember some Boomer complaining about the new Doctor Who (this was in the late 2000s) saying it was nothing like the original just a "multi-cultural gay pride hip hop video".
@JoshuaBattenMusic
@JoshuaBattenMusic 3 месяца назад
Torchwood was not DW's answer to "Joey" - it was the "Angel" to DW's "Buffy The Vampire Slayer".
@KYCDK
@KYCDK Год назад
russel is getting ambitious, and I like it
@Caiyde
@Caiyde 9 месяцев назад
Post-RTD Doctor Who struggles to maintain a shared universe between iterations of the Doctor, let alone spin-offs.
@popculturejackh9201
@popculturejackh9201 Год назад
I mean the UNIT show is basically 100% coming
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