How Ruby Sunday Could Explain An Unsolved Doctor Who Mystery 

Shall we release the EXTENDED cut of Ellie's singing?

***my theory from the first time we saw Ruby*** Jenny (Clone) is Ruby’s mother…making Ruby The Doctor’s Granddaughter. So this is season 1 = The Doctor is traveling with his granddaughter again. Plus she looks just like she could be the daughter of Georgia Tennant. It’s quite the coincidence, isn’t it?

You guys were mentioning Susan Twist in such an official capacity that I honestly didn't realize until this video that that was the actress' _name._

I appreciated the Once More with Feeling reference.

With so much emphasis on The Doctor & Ruby's status as orphans, it makes sense to have a Twist as part of the proceedings.

A Once More With Feeling gag? Fantastic!

Interesting with the Susan Foreman theory considering Susan was explicitly called out in the second episode of the new season, when they time travelled to 1963 and said she lives just over there a few dozen buildings over.

I can’t help thinking that Mrs Flood is more likely to be Susan than Susan twist…..

I feel like if Susan is returning, Susan Twist is a red herring. He's cheeky enough to make Susan Twist play Susan, but he's also clever enough to know that we know he's cheeky enough to do that.

With the show finally mentioning Susan again in the Devil’s Chord episode, this theory has a lot of merit

There is always a twist at the end

I think that could work, and it opens up the Valeyard (who i assumed might be Twist or the Mother) for being the secret big bad. After all, who would the Toymaker fear more than an Evil Doctor?

I understand Ellie’s stance on River but I still genuinely want nothing more than for Jonathan Groff to secretly be playing River. How did they get out of the library computer? How did they get their regenerations back? Honestly I don’t care, I just want to see how angry it would make everyone.

In 1994, there was an edition of a spoof documentary series on BBC radio called Whatever Happened to...? One episode of this was dedicated to Susan Foreman. Now, it's not canon in any way, but RTD would have been more than aware of it. I suspect his comment was a reference to that rather than any great reveal regarding Ruby. I'm happy to be proved wrong, though.

Love the song, my wife and I make that joke about the phrase 'I have a theory' all the time! You guys are definitely cray-cray (which is why we love this channel) but the theory does have merit to it, and would be an interesting twist. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Not going to lie. That Bunny reference from Anya in Buffy may have made my day. 😉

My theory isn't about Susan, but I think Mrs Flood's identity might have been taken over by a Zygon. Perhaps even a particular Zygon with a fourth Doctor scarf?

Unless they bring back Carol Anne ford for an episode and show her regenerating into Susan twist she’s not Susan, Carol Anne is still alive and would be playing Susan if she came back

I think the biggest argument for Susan is that she doesn't have a complicated backstory. A new viewer can get up to speed in just a few minutes. Doctor's granddaughter - left the TARDIS because she met a boy. Not much else a new viewer needs to know about her to jump into a New Who Susan story. RTD did something similar in 2005 with the Autons. They weren't vilians with a big backstory. They were the "I kinda remember them" baddies. In 2005, I was among the first Americans to watch Rose (we won't discuss how I had a copy within 90 minutes of it's UK premier). No one was confused by not knowing who the Autons were before that day - there just wasn't that much backstory to tell.

Rewatched Church on Ruby Road last night paying special attention to Mrs Flood. She was very upset by the TARDIS when she first saw it. But then it demateralized in front of her. And then she was all smiles every time she saw it after. Argument for Susan. She only knew the TARDIS's one shape after the Camelion Circuit malfunctioned in 1966. She may not know that it can still change shape within that pre-set police box mode. So - what if it is Susan and she didn't recognize the TARDIS because it wasn't the same shape and size it was the last time she saw it. She was upset by the reminder of her past. But once she knew it was a TARDIS, she became almost giddy about it.

In a surprising "twist", Carole Ann Ford returns as Susan, in the final episode, and regenerates herself, becoming Varada Sethu's character

THANKS for this, Ellie! (Even the singing :)) I really want Susan to be involved and before this video she's my vote for Mrs. Flood!! I *love* the idea of Millie being Ncuti's great-grand!!!

I am tempted towards the sentient Tardis explanation more, but anything happens in this show. American sci-fi franchises pick over every little piece of imagined history and continuity. We just make it up as we go along! If a piece of the jigsaw doesn't fit, just keep hitting it with something until it does.

Susan Twist, susan twist? Does she have a brother named Oliver.

The dystopian London we see in the trailers from the Devil's Chord reminds me a lot of the state London's in in the Dalek Invasion of Earth, the story Susan first exited the show in going to live in a Dystopian London. There's also that shot from the same episode with the Doctor and Ruby in their Beatles attire with the Doctor illuminating the place up with his sonic screwdriver under a wooden staircase. I've seen people theorise it's Totter's Lane. It seems like quite a different setting from Abbey Road studio and if the Doctor's meeting the Beatles in 1963 then who was also just round the corner at Coal Hill School in that country in that year?

Regarding the idea that Susan can travel in Time but not Space...gee... Which initial of TARDIS is missing from TRIAD? Hmmm...

I think 95% of the time the new 'misterious character ' is always the Master.

The tardis key being able to summon the tardis was established in Christopher Ecclestons series, it's how he got the tardis to materialise inside the church when rose broke time tryna save her dad. Matt Smiths use of it was the second time we've seen the doctor use the key to summon the tardis, if I'm remembering rightly of course, fairly sure David Tennant didn't use that trick

Forgetting that Susan was in the five Doctors in (then) modern Doctor Who?

S TRIAD being an ambigram of Tardis is cool, but let’s not also forget that a triad is a music theory term for notes spaced a 3rd apart, like how C Major chord is C and E and G

And here I was thinking you'd compare the facial features of Susan and Mrs Flood

I love watching these theories when the show is released

My theory: Ruby is the Doctor's greatest fairy tale. Blond companion who's name starts with the letter R, with both Ruby and Rose having the motive to go back in time and meet their parents at a church setting. Except this time, she's made more relatable for the doctor. An orphan and possibly even time lord + blood relative to the doctor if she is the daughter of his grand daughter with the whole DNA scan scene. Just before the Doctor using superstition at the end of the univserse they gave us an example of history being changed with gravity into mavity, along with Ruby's disappearance against the goblins, and later london's history without music. In the second special the 14th doctor says gravity and corrects himself to mavity once Donna questions what he said. When Ruby steps on the butterfly he is confused as to what happened and even still looks confused as they are walking into the Tardis until he chucks it to the new controls and "silly me for forgetting". I think the laws of the universe changed at the salt event and they've left us multiple examples how an event at one point can change the laws and memory of everyone in the universe. In space babies we see physical snow appear when the doctor is deep in thought about the day Ruby was left at the church. Just like the snow, the Doctor has gained the ability to almost will things into existence subconsciously and has somehow created Ruby Sunday. Multiple times they've had little moments where they slow everything down and talk about the "Ruby Sunday from the church on ruby road" like the prologue of a fairy tale. Ruby is the Doctor's greatest fairy tale. I think we will lose Ruby at the end of the season (seeing as she is leaving) when the doctor realizes it's because of these universal law changes that the beings that are like the toy maker are able to run rampant. But he must do so knowing he will have to erase the existence of his perfect fairy tale like companion.

I have a theory that Susan Twist is “The One Who Waits” that Maestro warned them about. The doctor also says “theres always a twist at the end” or could be a different meaning or coincidence. We’ll have to see

ngl, I still think Ruby Sunday is a restaurant's way of making Strawberry-flavoured sundae sound special.

I think Ruby is the entity that the Toymaker didn't dare challenge, or at least some representation of it.

Susan Twist appearing in different roles across spacetime reminds me of Clara's Impossible Girl storyarc. I don't think that means that she is Clara, but the parallels are weird.

All the tardis keys are accounted for, Clara tried to destroy them. All seven of them

Based on absolutely nothing, I think Susan Twist is actually "the one who waits" and that she represents television, in the same way the Toymaker represents games and Maestro represents music. All three representing forms of entertainment. That would form a Triad.

The Buffy reference. Chefs kiss!

Just putting it out there. Sydney Christmas from BGT to be a future companion?

I think its pretty clear Susan Triad knows what a tardis is and can also time travel as we had her pop up in wild blue yonder and church on ruby road. I dont think susan triad or mrs flood are Susan Foreman. I think S Triad is the meddling monk because the un-named woman in the piano scene in church on ruby road is clearly susan twist and she asks ruby to play gaudete, which is a 16th centry song of worship. I also think mrs flood is the meddling monk as we have seen two monks at the same time before the in the two monks, one mistress audio book. I think the hand that picked up the tooth at end of the giggle was S Triad and we are going to get a kinda two monks, one mistress storyline, but jinx will be playing the masters part. I think the ultimate big bad will be this "the boss" character beep the meep mentioned and ruby was set up as a trap to lure in timelords as "the boss" seems interested in two two hearted creatures

Can’t wait for season 1!!! 🥳🥳🔵

Calling it now, Susan Twist is Susan Foreman, Susan had a daughter called Ruby, Ruby is the Timeless Child...and Ruby had her mind wipped by Division...and Mrs Flood is the Timeless Child's (Ruby's) guardian...😮

As far as I'm aware, Carole Ann Ford was the only actor in attendance at the premiere who wasn't in either the 60th specials or 'Tales from the Tardis', which suggests she might be in the new season.

Now that The Devil’s Chord is out, I feel like you were really onto something

Love the Buffy reference

(Long ramble incoming) One problem with this theory; the ninth doctor mentions early on that he knows all the timelords are gone. He would've sensed if one was still around since they are telepathic, especially his granddaughter. Regardless of when and where they are. But it is completely silent in his head. The only way, and this would need some explaining on RTD's part if your theory proves to be true, he wouldn't be able to sense Susan being on earth and yet Susan remembering enough to be able to time travel and using the Tardis key as a beacon, is if she used a modified version of the Chameleon Arc. Her biology would have changed (no telepathic abilities) but she would have retained her memories. Or, she forget but is unconsciously drawn to the Doctor now in a way she wasn't before. Maybe she recently stumbled upon her fobwatch containing her memories? Or the Doctor's fobwatch which he threw in the depths of the Tardis as the 13th Doctor, and the Tardis somehow expelled in where Susan could find it? Timelord fobwatches do after all whisper to either the original owner or whoever finds it. Anyway, with him now having mentioned that he doesn't know what became of Susan is however a good point. As far he knows, she was stuck on earth and the Time War didn't happen on/effected planet Earth. And yet he wasn't able to sense her after it had ended. But with the supernatural and magic now having retroactively been introduced to the world since 1925, maybe a timelady stuck on earth in the 22nd century would've picked up on that slight change (in her 1963 version magic wasn't a thing. But that past has been slightly altered due to the 14th doctor's actions in wild blue yonder). Magic, 22nd century technology and a timelady's knowledge might have kept her off the Timelords telepathic radar, so to speak. Anyhoodle, things that I thought of that I think would be required or need to be considered for your theory to be true. Cool theory however!

If you need to explain how Susan travels through time, you can say she became a Time Agent, like Captain Jack. It might connect to the guy who is suspected of being a Time Agent shown in the season 1 trailers.

Ruby is her own mother, I'm calling it. When she was dying in, 'boom', the snow stopped. This has happened before on 'twice upon on a time', because of the doctor refusing to regenerate, causing the paradox. In this case for Ruby is that if she dies there, she will never be born, causing a paradox in that moment. She may be the embodiment of life. Also, i think "the one who waits", is death itself. Hence, why the maestro was so confused about why "the oldest one" was there at the night of Ruby's birth 🤔

I am thinking initials, RS, Ruby Sunday, River Song, could Ruby be river's child? With the doctor? Or with someone else?

can't beat a bit if Buffy

Susan's son in Big Finish is played by Paul McGann's son Sonny McGann, if Russel uses this in the show that's certainly an excuse to get Paul back too! Especially as Alex is now travelling with the 8th Doctor in the time war series, talk about coming full circle.

Bringing back Susan would majorly confuse the new global audience they're going for

Mrs Flood is Daughter of Mine (toymaker probably allowed her to escape) or the Doctor’s Daughter…

Could also be the trickster considering the “song inside of rubys heart” is similar to the tricksters theme

now im going to have i got a theory stuck in my brain, not that it ever left.

Would be hard to explain the DNA results not picking up that she is not human. I would also point out that River and the doctor had a lot of years in that final night plenty of time to have a few children "oh look your cot not seen that in a very long while" She had seen it before!

Would have loved for Carol Ann Ford to return. To have someone old enough to be Susan just aged but not her would be rude. But damn that lady was definitely cast for her name knowing we gonna speculate and go crazy

I think your theory is near spot on, Except I believe that Susan Foreman is Ruby's grandmother, and Susan Twists' characters are Susan's daughter/Ruby's mother who is trying to lure the Doctor back based off of stories told to her by Susan Foreman. Crazy but just crazy enough to work

Oooh, thought! What if the Doctor’s obsession with Earth and keeping it safe was because initially he was trying to keep it safe FOR Susan? Especially if things can happen in the past that would negatively affect her time period of the 2160s. Along the way he develops an affection for humanity, but his original compelling interest was slightly more selfish.

I usually refrain from liking a video until the end. In this case I will make an exception for the excellent Buffy reference.

Ruby Sunday, could be the daughter or granddaughter of The Ponds? If the transporter, does a copy of the Doctor, every time; when he was trapped in dark tower. ( That part of the doctors story was set in his mind and that was a mind scape. Which means the Doctor, is a creature of energy, which brings up the master!? Which brings us back to Ruby, who is her neighbour? And to top it all, from our point of view, it's a story. As for Susan , his "daughter" she probably called him grandfather, as a name. Like Ace and others called him Professor? Any way, as The Maestro said. Timey wimmy. Sorry "Spoilers" as River Song would say. I figure Susan is River Songs daughter, but that gets confusing.

Maybe Susan escaped the gallifreyan genocide with her daughter, and left her in a time and place (2004, right before the end of the Time War, in a way) where the Doctor could protect her. But Susan was angry because the Doctor abandoned her, and now she has to abandon her daughter too, and also the doctor couldn't stop the Time War or even warn her about the genocide. Susan had to constantly fly across time and space to escape the "cellular genocide" and use a "pocket watch" system to spare her daughter this fate. Where is the pocket watch? Maybe not in a real object, but inside Ruby's theme song!! (it's completely crazy but I had fun imagining that theory)

With this weekends reference to susan, im calling that shes back 100%. Nothing to do with ruby, but back

I agree Ellie. Definitely Susan related

What if (assuming Susan is Rubys mom) she left Ruby because the One Who Waits is after her to try and get to the Doctor and Susan was just trying to protect Ruby from that danger?

susan drops off baby then regenerates after walking away. like when 10 knew he'd die. not knowing what the new susan might do to a baby she left ruby to be adopted on earth safe

It must be bunnies ! I was not expecting that :3 What about a BuffyverseCulture channel now? haha

Lucy Saxon: On Christmas Eve night in or around the 2000s, Lucy was released from her cell by her prison's new Governor, and brought to the basement, where a cult of the Master's loyal servants was implementing a ritual to restore him to life. What if Ruby is actually the daughter of Lucy, Who some how had the masters baby, and One of the cult members managed to drop off the baby at the church, this would explain the black robes.... Or I could just be over thinking things lol.

If Disney had creative input Ruby’s father would be Davros or possibly just Darth Sidious.

Buffy was a great Show and Once more with Feeling was a great episode!

Since River gave her regeneration energy, she can't regenerate. Also she's in the library, and we've seen her death. She'd have to be a version from before her death.

If susan returns , I will cry like a baby

I love the character of susan and kinda hope they acknowledge her and his time during the 8th and her adventures. And the loss of alex. Allot of big finish is tied to the show so who knows.

That's definitely possible that she could be Susan's daughter. What would be even crazier is if she actually is the insect creature in the trailer and she's able to alter her appearance

Susan Twist played the Comms Officer Gina Scalzi in Space Babies episode

I have been watching this channel for years, and I’ve never loved you more! WHENEVER anyone says “I have a theory” I immediately burst into tears “It might be bunnies”. And voila, you did it!!! I almost always watch on my TV, so I actually picked up my phone so that I could comment!!!

Honestly, i have a different theory. With this character they are doing EXACTLY what they did initially with Clara. Different versions keep showing up. So, what if this is another person who stepped into the doctors Time Stream?

Maybe Susan being a genius Time Lord created a vortex manipulator to jump around Earth's timelines.

Well, Susan is not able to regenerate, because she didn't graduate Timelord Academy and therefore didn't receive the ability to regenerate. (yes, it's part of the canon) So I don't think, Susan Twist is THAT Susan

I don’t think Susan can return. I can’t imagine she survived a health care system whose first aid treatment for an ankle sprain is a moist towel.

Thumbs up for for the Buffy Musical Anya quote alone

In theory if Susan is the Dr's granddaughter that implies she is a Time Lord/Lady herself so coming back with a different face or even having a regeneration scene, would not be impossible.

do we know anything of susan parents? Because i was thinking she could be susan's mother, but her being susan's daughter would make more sense narration wise. I think Susan Twist playing Ruby's biological mother is a bit too obvious for RTD's taste imo; I have recently watched the first three episodes as they came out and The Doctor gave Ruby a key of the Tardis in Devil's Chord i believe and he spent the last few minutes of Boom looking for his keys as Ruby lended him hers to get into the tardis at the end, it feels like they are forshadowing something. I hope the story will dive deeper than "this famous character is your mother, ruby, there, done"

Anya - once more with feeling.

I agree 100% as I think Susan will make a come back and looking back you're right Ellie I will every surprised if she don't come back as there are Bread crumbs there lol

Please don't ruin 30 years of Big Finish... I paid a lot for the Susan's Time War set.

They only way we could have River Song played by someone other than Alex Kingston (barring hand-wavey timey-wimey stuff) would be for it to be in her personal timeline before Let’s Kill Hitler. Personally, I feel that character has had a full arc, she also doesn’t have any regenerations left, and there would need to be a really good reason to bring her back.

I do think bringing Susan back would be cool. I would love her to be a villain though 😅 it would make sense why she would be stealing the doctors companions/ former doctors with the memory Tardis. A memory Tardis for someone who feels like they were “forgotten” and stealing people who were not “forgotten’ by the doctor as a message to her hurt and his carelessness? 👀

What about Jenny being Rudy Mother. That means like the first season of Doctor who that a granddaughter of the doctor is his companion.

They named a horse Susan once in Eleven's run. Hmmmm...

theres always a Twist at the end

I agree: Alex Kingston as River Song or nothing at all.

I thought Mrs Flood was (Susan), but it's possible she is a villain? May be the mistress? But I did hear rumor she could be another form of River Song🤷

I joined in with the whole bunnies sing along. I'm going to have to watch Buffy from the beginning. Again. 😂

hey ellie...i think your theory is spot on.. it makes alot of sense and, come on, susan twist and she turns out to be the twist in the show..very cool... good work..let the river flow..peace..rocky

Maybe Ms Twist is playing Missy? RTD said THE MASTER is parked. Long shot, but I think it more likely. I am certain she is not The Rani though. Too tight a knot to unravel to get The Rani...

What if Susan Foreman is Mrs Flood ?? Also the recasting of Captain Jack Harkness could work if the rogue time agent is Jack before he becomes Captain Jack Harkness I mean he did take the name in memory of the real Captain Jack

NOT ELLIE SINGING BUFFYS ONCE MORE WITH FEELING