How Rust rose to dominance (by accident) 

mf already lives in 2025, all thanks to Rust

Keep going!

It's a brand new idea. However, I would also like to know the story behind.

theres a new job post like every 2 to 3 days not as much as other programming fields like webdev. but still plenty.

Yeah that's clickbait. It would be more accurate to say established rather than dominant.

It was a bait and switch. Rustacean YTers always change from "dominant" to "most loved in one or two StackOverflow surveys".

I did go a little overboard there lol

@@letsgetrusty Idk I liked it :)

@@letsgetrusty BTW, I didn't intend to say you did! I meant a "general rule of thumb" that applies to everyone

Not trying to be a grammar Nazi here, but writing "lying off" instead of "laying off" got me really confused. When I initially read it, it seemed like you were talking about Mozilla not telling the truth about something, and that got me thinking for a while, trying to figure out what you were referring to

@@yewo.m Thanks, fixed. I'm neither native speaker nor writer, so I'm heavily relying on grammar correction. Sometimes it backfires 😅 So any correction is appreciated

​@@topin8997 looks like youtube reverted your edit

@@ok-tr1nw Or there was some weird network glitch. Anyway, checked now in incognito tab, spelling is correct

And for almost all advertised jobs, Rust by itself is not sufficient. You usually need domain and other tech experience to go with it.

Thank you!

💪💛💙

It fixed the world

Put this in your Cargo.toml to optimize for speed and still remove as much as possible: (opt-level: "z" to optimize for size) ``` [profile.release] #debug = true strip = "debuginfo" codegen-units = 1 opt-level = 3 lto = "fat" panic = "abort" ``` Take this as starting point, but also check the documentation to see what these settings stand for.

can you send the name of the owner/repo cause youtube doesn't allow links that lead users outside youtube I'd like to tinker with your project a bit

@@senzmaki4890 the C++ project or rust? For the rust project, it is on my laptop. The project is about creating web server using Axum framework in rust. Do I need to share the code in github? What configuration should I put in the cargo.toml file ?

I can do all polymorophic and inhertiance based patterns that c# and c++ has in rust. You just have to program it yourself.

yep, or they gaslight you into thinking rust is "just as easy" or "can do the same things the same way, just better" and then if you naturally struggle with the obnoxious language, then you have a skill issue and are afraid of change lol

@@pup4301 speak of the devil, here comes a gaslighter now

​@@pup4301 This isn't relevant for me, I don't use polymorphism or inheritance to model game state, but rather use a custom data oriented approach in a language (C) which makes it less tedious to do so.

@@not_herobrine3752 It took me three months to get the language down and a few more to make anything productive. It took so little time because of the rust book that is freely available . Now it is the same for c and c++ but there library system and the way of using files is the issue for me. I am always looking for easy of use and less configuration over head/complexity. Rust reminds me of c++, c# or java but with a simple configuration system. It does not require you to configure a pointer like in c , setup your files, compile them to classes then use them in another file like java, or download an external system to add libraries and compile your code nor does it require you to learn a whole other programming language like with cmake (does not include meson , ninja, make). Most of the stuff listed comes with the package with rust.

Concerns about training data or how it looks make sense, but it can definitely generate more than its training data (stuff that even if is very average, is still completely new), what do you mean

@@David_Box It's unethical because it steals from artists without consent

Thanks for the feedback!

@@letsgetrusty love how you just didnt respond! have fun stealing artist's hard work with generative ai i guess

@@pauliesnug ????? what else did you want him to say LOL

@@pauliesnug You can steal stock images as well. What makes you assume that this AI model was using any unlicensed content?

@@Tiritto_ almost all AI generative models use unlicensed content

i personally hate the abbreviations in rust but i agree on your other points. not a big fan of rust, and one of the reasons why is because the same symbols mean different things, and i really didnt like the lack of freedom and (imo) ugly syntax. im curious though, what are some examples of a more ruby like syntax in rust? that sounds nice

It is not. Hype is over.

​@@severgun It is not just hype, Rust just fixes an existing problem in low level languages, that being the compiler not warning you that you've not used the RAII pattern correctly in one place.

@@severgunGo get THERAC-25'd

@@idkwhatcouldbeavalable It is entirely hype. Ever since the corporation associated with Rust made it clear they had interest in going the way of oracle with last year's litigious trade mark fiasco, I'd be surprised if any company that takes programming seriously would want to use the language and risk time and legal expenses, even if the ordeal theoretically held no ground. Even though they backtracked then, they've set the trend and odds are realistic that they will try it again elsewhere. If Rust plans on making actual lasting headway, they need to dump the corporations and the activists. Something tells me that short of a fork, neither will happen.

@@hcolider2817Finally someone brings up an actual issue

Thanks! Just me and my natural beauty ;)

New insecurity unlocked

@@letsgetrusty ahah that's just my feeling, anyway fun and interesting story💪

I also thought the face movements were AI lol

Uh oh

How do you know what model was used?

Stock photos can be just as much stolen without the consent of their creators, as materials used in AI training. We don't know which model was used, so it's unfair to assume it used unlicensed content.

@@Tiritto_ it's actually very fair to assume, see, in a competitive environment, in order to develop a model just up to par with the rest of the competition, you need to apply their practices as well. Competition gets data from slack's non consenting users? Better find another social media to get data from, how about reddit? This isn't a conspiracy, just business interests, whoever tries to be moral is filtered out as their product isn't as useful as other more trained models are, which is also fair to assume as having cheaper data means you get more data per dollar. And about stock footage being stolen, sure, he can just use some other boring visuals, the actual content and bogdan's opinions are what I'm here for, not fancy shmancy footage. Rant over lol

Nah C++71 is much better. None of the new fangled crap

Why would you?

Just write assembly

A 25-year old spec revision? Anything older than C++17 is too unergonomic.

do you mean orthodox c++, a standard from at least last decade or straight up bait? we may never know

real

You write the next version with the old version.

I wondered the same. Then I saw that Wikipedia has an article called "Bootstrapping (Compilers)" or something like that, which explains the context quite nicely. I'd also recommend the general "Bootstrapping" article, since the pattern is not exclusive to compilers

It dominates in both the python and js ecosystems now. Microsoft is migrating to Rust. I don't know, I'm sure there are things where it isn't yet dominant, but that's becoming a shorter list month on month.

I don't see C++ in the Linux kernel

Stackoverflow developer surveys

rust dominates high performance web services, you can see companies like discord and cloudflare shipping new stuff in rust pretty regularly

@@arson5304 If this was an area I wanted to learn and find employment I'd be looking into golang

Hate to kill your suspense here lol. It’s my real face, not AI…yet ;)

@@letsgetrusty that makes total sense. I think I’m just a bit too tired

who gives a shit..?

​@@irlshrek braindead response

@@irlshrekwhat ai tools are used to generate stock footage?

@@irlshrekPeople who care about consent

​@danwellington3571 Why do you assume AI generated imagery can only be created without consent from the owners of what it's trained on?

...should I compliment you on the writing? I wonder if AI was used there as well, which is fine, but in that case my compliment wouldn't really matter

Cope and seethe

why not, giant companies are already switching over: google, microsoft, amazon, cloudflare, discord. if you browse their blogs, you can see that they're releasing things in rust pretty regularly

@@danwellington3571 The only seething and coping that I ever see are the corporate fanboy shills who arbitrarily and incessantly go off about how much better rust is than every other language. This kind of behavior doesn't win any victories.

@@danwellington3571 dilate rustranny

@@danwellington3571 dilate

Well. It is better than C++ of couse.

why is it horrible? at least for me, it makes the work easier for me :D

@@crimsonmegumin it takes a while to reach this level

why even stop by then?

why is it not good for game development lol, take a look at the bevy project and the whole ecosystem behind it. both cloudflare and discord beg to differ on distributed systems, they have many blog posts about load balancers and services with so many pros with the only sacrifice being time. your third point is only held together by the fact that all current kernels are written in c; inevitably technology will advance and c will become obsolete in this space. i'll die on the hill of rust being better than modern c++ any day; it comes with all of the abstraction capabilities and more, without the decades of baggage from terrible and redundant design decisions (std::expected & exception handling, c++20 concepts & template metaprogramming, operator overloading, 5 different constructor types, inconsistent behavior among the different compilers, i could go on and on) rust understands that sometimes you need to bend the compiler to your will given its conservative nature, which is what unsafe rust is for. you tell the compiler that you know what you're doing and it will let you do things like dereference raw pointers, mutate static variables, and all that mess.

@@arson5304 3 seconds to compile a flappy bird sized game is a death sentence for gamedev

It's suitable for kernel and driver programming because of the memory safety hence why we're seeing more and more drivers being written in Rust + Rust in both Linux and NT. It's also becoming huge in high performance web services. The borrow checker also doesn't force you to write a certain way, it just forces you to write code that isn't dangerous. There is a world of difference there.

It also has it's strengths in drivers, embedded and many safety related projects. And don't forget WASM, sometimes it's way easier to build something for Win/Linux/Mac/Web at the same time, because of wasm-bindgen and cargo. If someone can see the references as "exclusive mutable borrows" (one at a time) and "shared immutable borrows" it becomes so much easier to deal with the language rules. The trick is not to fight the borrow checker and make use of traits and available features. Dealing with lifetimes can be the hard part though, so it's better to avoid it unless absolutely needed. But that's more a problem of some libraries and if you really need absolute speed, otherwise not worth most of the time as long as you can avoid it.

​@sunofabeach9424 3 seconds for compilation time is bad? That is pretty good actually.

For me, it's even more of a reason to support him.

Well, let's see in 10 years then. I'm sure you'll just quietly sit by and watch it sink and let people have their fun, right? You're not just a troll, right?

Linus seems to like it

@@danwellington3571 I think the language was barred from the linux repository due to the whole issue with them threatening legal action to anyone who doesn't follow their trite trademark standards, but I don't know if the kernal maintainers followed through with that or not. I hear that there are constant problems with the CoC and terms being written by the power tripping managers running the ship over in Rust, so odds aren't in their favor that people will give preference for Rust in the future with that particularly in mind

@@danwellington3571 for non-low level stuff the combination with memory-safety is important it is a match. But the borrow checker will get superseded within 10 years because it's an unnecessary clunky solution. That's a fact.

why doesn't it make sense for 99% of cases? what do you have to back this up