How Samsung Phones are "Faking" their Photos. 

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"moon-tion" gosh this pun is SO bad.

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Well I actually used to have the Samsung s22 Ultra and I can for sure agree with the video that yes it is AI processing but still it can zoom and give you very clear images from very far away. Not just the moon. It still processes the picture after you've taken it but the result it's pretty crispy. I would 100% say that it has the best zoom quality in the market since I also do this job and I'm a technology consultant and I had the chance to compare almost every phone's camera.

@@ettadiam3466did you just ignore everything he said

​@@ettadiam3466those zoomed inages arent crisp because the camera is good, its because every image taken with 10× + zoom has ai upscaling. For a normal person it wouldn't be visible, but graphic designers like me who upscale assets every now and then can clearly tell if a image is upscaled or not.

still prefer that fake moonshot that samsung does than the crappy moonshot that iphones could offer...

Still would buy a smasung phone over crappy iphones. Over priced shit for even lesser features

i agree with you on everything!

What is genuine, authentic photo? Every photo that you take using a smartphone is processed in some form or other. That is why Iphone and Samsung cameras are considered best in the smartphone market because of their better image processing.

Yeah they should have been honest

⁠indeed but what samsung try to market it as a benefit from the hardware

I agree wholeheartedly... If I take a picture of my house to send to my friend it's cool that I can click a box and have all the power lines magically disappear... but, if I posted that picture on a real estate ad for the house, I would be guilty of false advertising

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It's apple fan boys trying to take down samsung, in my channel I got 100% real pics of the moon, fr these apple users want samsung down [Not all, only the baised ones]

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especially the part where he defends samsung by saying: "if it is overlay than u should be able to find the moon photo on the phone " 🤦 this is the dumbest thing i ever herd, but hey...if it fools the masses than yeah, good job

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Good point. Perhaps this is just marking a shift in making phone cameras work more similarly to how our brains perceive the world and less like how traditional photography has captured it. There are certainly pros and cons to both approaches.

Say bullshit to make a company look bad? Yes. You can litterally turn of the scene optimiser and have raw photos without any ai interfering, the description of scene optimiser is litterally to tweak photos to make them look more appealing.

@@natman_bad Does it have a disclaimer that it affects moon photos to such an extent though? I mean if it doesn't, people definitely have the right to be surprised.

@@Scyth3934 If it has a disclaimer that states it improves pictures with ai that would be enough of a disclaimer. Samsung can't just smell that people like you are gonna cry about a feature you can just turn of.

Bro MKBHD made the same video a day ago 😂

@@varunkandhari4819 haven't watched yet

Nah, those are still fake results, lol. It's just an instagram filter for the moon.

@@Ironborn Kinda like every single selfie out there? 😁 I mean, seriously, how "real" are 99.5% of the pics posted these days?

yeah imo samsung did a horrible job explaining the whole ai-photo-enhancing thingy

@@johnsalamii Completely agree.

If Apple did this, It would have been called a revolutionary feature.

bases on the replies by the fanboys, they still thinking it can take actual moon photos. like "actual" meaning, how it looks like exactly, not with extra details added.

yeah you right. They dont think that far, that you cant even shoot a plane really high up but the moon with no problem🤡

​@@Luccplay well to be fair, an airplane is in a lit sky with lots of distortion and light pollution while the moon is it's own "lightsource" against a mostly black background. So it's not that big a stretch as you think. And I've shot 80x zoom photos with my s22 ultra where I could read the registration number off the plane as well.

@@basketcase1235 do u have any phone from Note 20 ultra that van take the moonshot?

Its not AI-enhancing its AI-replacing

Not really, is a relatively easy technology, labeling the data for training might be a PITA

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@@ghfsd786fa "AckCHyually" no one asked you 😂

And you can. In settings turn it OFF.

Scene optimiser on/off !!!!

Yeah. Once I literally zoomed in. And I barely took a second to take a pic of the moon. I saw the image came out blown out and blurry because I moved the phone as it took the image. But it was still processing. Then it spit out a cripsy clear moon image out of nowhere. The file size was only 400kbs 💀

Scene optimizer. You can turn it off in camera settings!

Turn off your scene optimiser entering into camera settings!!!

Exactly

Bro whatever keeps your peace

The real question is not that it's faking or not but does it matters to real users and answer seems - not .

gj you broke through fanboyism and propaganda of buying only iphones. good riddance.

And i bet that the minute iphone does the same thing iphonefanboys are going to be like "never seen before" "unique"

Mkbhd did it first

He is

@@n3xus49 he didn't do any tests though, especially the "hanging moon cutout" which was pretty surprising.

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@@basketcase1235 that was a great idea.

I think this is the thing. IF it could add details to everything, it wouldn't be a problem. You can compare the quality of the moon photos with all the other photos. But in this case, it only works with the moon and Samsung isn't communicating that it's limited to this. Regular people will most likely believe that they can get an equally good photo with the 100x zoom with any type of subject, which they can't.

That's already happening. All photos captured by a Samsung phone will have enchanced texture and text unless you activate Pro mode.

Indeed. And even de-mosaicing is inventing some detail that isn't there: camera sensors don't record full colour in every pixel, half the pixels record in green, a quarter of them record in red and a quarter of them record in blue. An algorithm has to be used to guess the best full colour value to output for each pixel based on that.

@Barney Laurance but it is there. It's not making stuff out of nothing. If i took the moon photo and it just added a crater that doesn't even exist on the moon, then I'd be pissed. You know what's faking? It's when i go to sight seeing looking at the pictures taken by the professional photographer on some tourism magazine only to find out how underwhelming it is. That's faking. If the phone's AI wanst enhancing, adding in details then let's be real we would be adding it ourselves in post.

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These phones have the option to use raw photos. Anything over 20x zoom is digital zoom. Which mean it take a photo and than zoom in on that photo. With that said, a 50 megapixel lens has so much detail, that if you zoom in on it 40x it would still have a crisp image. Another thing, the s23 ultra also has a 200 mp lens. About the moon, read my previous comment.

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I would prefer the AI-processed photos a majority of the time, I'm sure. However, Samsung needs to be super transparent to the user each time the AI is applied, perhaps naming the photo with a tag that makes it clear AI was used (not only clear to the person who took the photo, but to anyone they share it with). And a prompt should come up when the AI is about to be applied explaining how it works (what the result is, a partially AI-generated photo... versus what it isn't, a real photo with a basic filter). Imagine the person thinking a photo is real and it ends up in, say, a murder trial or used to portray an act of war... Or someone thinks their missing loved one has been found bc the AI superimposes their face on a zoomed-in stranger. The list goes on. The consequences could be dire. Full transparency by Samsung and full awareness for the end user are what's important here.

I agree... but I also think it's sad. If you WANT a nice photo of the moon then just download one. WHat is the benefit of pretending it came from your phone?

@@keithlevkoff8579 It DID come from your phone. Samsung is actually using what you took, just upscaling it. Not much different from how your photos are "improved" after you take them.

Same boat, but I think it's a marketing feature... You could take that AI model into any other phone and the result would be the same... so is not the S23U Camera hardware that is good they just the found a good marketing strategy doing it with the moon (which sound awesome to the public and is easy to implement)

a photographer can literally use expert raw or just simply turn off the image process and get their result if they don't want ai to alter stuff, I think the whole discussion is stupid, how could anyone think a photo with 10x optical lens capture 100x digital zoom pics with all realistic details in the pic, if you want a realistic result it is going to be a blurry mess. There are other phones with 10x optical zoom but only samsung can do the 100x digital zoom properly because of their proper AI model for upscaling these images.

Is to capture 60 years old Moms that are obsessed with taking Moon photos hahah

@@ghfsd786fa nope the hardware is really good too . This only works like this on moon photos but when we even compare random things zoomed the s23 ultra is just better then the competition that's it .

Hahaha relatable thoughts!

Props to them if they manage to fake and 'enhance' all other objects in the world than just the moon...

exactly my thought, no wonder the thing is kinda shady but damn the AI is clever AF, respect

@@iTheGeo most phones already do that. If it were not for these algorithms our phones would literally be 10 years backward in terms of camera. There's only so much a small sensor can do in terms of capturing the environment

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Huawei did this 3/4 years ago

But they won't... iPhone fanboys already saying "It's a fake moon, so the iPhone's camera is better"🤡

@@0xUchiha I agree tho😂 They be thinking their phone is better when in fact, it does the same thing but in a different way.

Iphones literally has deep fussion which is using ai and multiple shots to enhance detail but no one bats an eye.

@@torezgermy2 This is what I've been saying since forever!! Apple gets away with it by saying their camera "processing" and turning their photos into a "natural" look.

@@amersheene692 You know Apple gets a pass. It would be a nontrovercy if this whole moon situation was done by Apple.

Good point

That’s incorrect. The debunking of this whole deceptive claim from Samsung shows it doesn’t need to be able to zoom in “close enough.” It’s substituted material. Don’t gaslight yourself.

Literally no, the video literally show how he printed a blurry no detail fake moon and your glorious features faked all the details. Its not a features its a scam brah

If it’s “processing” then you made a good point. But this behavior is no different, it basically took a perfect moon image and use AI to auto fit into the blurry image you take. That’s fundamentally different.

​@@Bikingutahcounty you clearly didn't research on this topic enough

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I knew it months ago after using my telescope and phone compared to telescope

@Trenrede Yeah, besides, I find it amazing that the stuff they developed could do so well in every scenario, even creating new craters on the surface of the moon. Imagine how long they worked on the algorithms for this kind of stuff.

I knew right away when I took my first moon shot with it. When you zoom in it suspiciously gets waay more clear than any other photo I take with the zoom. It's cool tech nonetheless I just wish Samsung didn't lie about it

@@catboy3471 Apple already does it, nobody cares... Apple uses software and AI to enhance and process images taken by the camera sensor.

@@The92Waffles it gets the sales going on. I don’t use Samsung but I did mention it so many times to say how the zoom is so good. Guess not anymore.

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​@@usnish9801 lol then how do you get the message about what i was talking about! nerd

@@usnish9801 wtf did he mean tho😂

Arun 🤣🤣🤣🤣 paid and fed by rotten apple to speak against SAMSUNG as much as he can! This is absolute shit 💩💩💩💩

@indu adhikari 😅🤣 Literally hasn't said anything bad about them! Every major tech channel and websites have said worse, his views are natural in this video in my opinion. Maybe watch it again!

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Yup. They're not cheating. All the information is on their website about how this works, actually albeit mostly in Korean.

Agreed!

The cheating part here is Arun... Because Samsung has admitted this before- years ago with the s20 range. Samsung users have been talking about it for years now... I first saw this in 2021, an article about the s21 base model doing this (I had an s20 so I went googling...) theres even a post on Samsungs online forum explaining exactly how the *software* works... This is something we already knew, it's not new, it's just surprising to those who were unaware...

For people who are into astrophotography, you'd want it to be exactly like what you took, not an AI-enhanced picture . At least for me

@@soul-the_argonaut5211 While I don't agree attributing the cheating to Arun - you are right that this has been known for years. MKBHD actually this as well in his recent post about the S23 Ultra - that the tech has been around for years and that Samsung has been very transparent and forthcoming about it as well as how it works.

The cameras ARE good though. I've zoomed to random things and it took GREAT photos

​@@OzZy-13820exactly, I'll agree that it's cheap to advertise something that they taught it to cheat at... but it's such a cool feature to have that I don't want to buy a phone with less than 100x zoom now. It's like having a set of binoculars and a decent telephoto camera with you all the time. And I've gotten some really good photos with the main lenses that could rival a legit camera

@lukeaugustus2235 same, not only moon shots, but I've zoomed and caught details of trees, power lines running up the mountain behind my house that captured details you can't see with the naked eye. Gimmicky or not, it works and that's what matters.

​@@OzZy-13820Then they should show that in their marketing - zoom into a dolphin leaping out the ocean far in the distance. Instead they said it can take photos of the moon with detail, and their cameras simply cannot.

The truth and honestly have gone out of style with the new generation. Lying, cheating are the norm. They then try to use word salad to defend the practice. I find it disgusting.

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Only uneducated people will think it's real. Anyone with decent knowledge directly know it's fake.

@Fantasytky They should not have highlighted/marketed the 100x zoom as giving out such quality details just based on the moon shots during the launch.

@@dhariapruth1 they should not in the first place. But it's Samsung, people let it slip. What can you do. Samsung cheated about so many things in past. Eg: the ltpo lowest value and so on.

​@@dhariapruth1 just turn off the 'Scene Optimizer' and click the moon pic again.

@@pratikdeshmukh4275 What's worse is that it's on by default, while Huawei's moon mode isn't.

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@@TheEpicAce2, you sure? 'Cause at least I am.

​@@pramusetyakanca1552 me too. I came here for how people reacts to this video

@@kingmohammad6814 well...this is the biggest waste of my time

@@TheEpicAce2 yeah maybe it is to you but not to me because as I said before I came to how people reacts

They are known for making fake features and it's not surprising at all 😂😂😂 they are expert for making advertisement and make fun of apple buy they themselves not focusing on improving their feature. What a shame, no wonder samsung flagship phones not selling well😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@ckhomphzxspaul8455 and the fanboy is here! Every single smartphone company does false advertising or mislead the customers, apple does that a lot so does samsung and oneplus and huawei and everyone else, every tech reviewer out there is praising samsung for their innovations and improvement in recent devices (specially s23 ultra) and you're saying samsung doesn’t focus on upgrades? I must say apple has blinded you And samsung flagships are selling just fine, their folds and flips sales have been increasing at a massive rate year by year, their s series sales have taken a bit of hit but that's because people are more interested in their special innovative foldables not because the quality of their s series has downgraded rather it has increased by a lot

They're known for exploding batteries, and recently they're batteries swollen. But then this? Haha Samsung's bad reputation keep repeating 😂😂😂 Karma is real😂😆😂😆

@@ckhomphzxspaul8455 You're talking about really old devices you know that right? They only had one model with exploding issue and somehow you're making it sound like every device they make explodes I should've realized I was talking to a kid by looking at the number of unnecessary emojis you use. Well I guess it’s on me I can only say....grow up! Android has surpassed iphone. Samsung makes better flagships than apple. They take better photos, have a more well rounded and all-rounder camera set, look better, have tons more features and customizations with massive user freedom and no restriction like ios, provide almost the same battery backup as iphones with much faster charging. Even in things like videography, raw performance and longevity, they have come quite close to apple's level

@@flaminggodofthunder9212 the majority of the masses arent that smart and is lazy (at least when it comes to tech) so they will just become locked into the opinions of media and influencers just like this paul and since their brain is turned off you will have a 0% chance of changing their opinion since they arent even listening to you. This is one big reason why Iphone is so popular because why else would you want a expensive phone where you can only text, call and use the internet, and lets not talk about repairs and how each company thinks of you as a customer

100% honest 90% of the time? Bruh😂

@@OCD.ReaderYea dude hes 190% sure

@@dicedmeat7857 exactly

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I think the problem is Samsung marketing it as a camera feature, not an AI feature that only works for the moon. If not for this mini "scandal" I would buy the phone for its camera, try to shoot some other thing from afar and be disappointed, not knowing what went wrong.

It will make the toyota camry look better. AI photos are really advanced now.

​@@AugustoValentini most camera phones now are pure AI, Iphone, Xiaomi, etc. Do the same.

Too bad it's not your pic, it's other pics overlaid on it.

@@AugustoValentini samsung compared other phones to their phone based on this feature to show how good their cameras are, and now we know that it's not related to their cameras at all, it's just a ai trick, it's false advertising

Completely agree. I was able to test how good the processing was, I was able to read the use by date on a water bottle at 20m. I could barely read the smaller writing on the label haha

This is just adding details bruh. It's not impressive.

​@@fanban2926 look aPpLe FaNbOy now is even trying to say that AI is bad, I agree that Samsung went really far doing this. But cmon dude isn't it fascinating and shocking how far AI has came?

​@@fanban2926 how s23 ai add details on super blurry photos? Isn't it impressive? Apple fanboi😂

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how is this relevant?

you can still take unaltered photos with the super telephoto in expert raw mode and the moon is still recognizable at max shutter speed

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AI doesnt do anything to your other photos. the scene optimizer only uses AI to detect the object you're taking a picture of, it doesnt use AI to edit. besides, adding artificial made up detail is different from adjusting contrast.

@@chewthegum AI does everything to most flagship normal photos bro

​@@drixxer not in this way though

Lol even the portrait image on smartphone use the A.I to differentiate the person and background.. did anyone said the portrait shot on other phone are fake? I guess not.

Its because it changes people's decision to buy phones as people will think if the zoom is this good then the normal cam must be amazing. While in realty thats not really the case, the iphone zoom would be better for all other things. Lets say a person wants a phone with a good zoom camera, he will buy samsung after seeing reviews and samsung's marketing about the amazing zoom capabilities (the moon shot comparison), so he just got swindled into buying the phone with the worse camera. Clearly untruthful marketing and false advertising. This is why this is wrong.

same way on iphones, google pixels etc

I have better example that proves that Samsung doesn't use fake pictures

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Which is exactly the reason why Samsung should not slap a crisp image of the moon over our moon pictures. It's called deception, and it's really unnecessary because they already have a great technology.

@@fixups6536 Did you watch the video? They do not overlay anything. Turn screen optimisation off.

@@varnxxx Of course they overlay a reference image of the moon. The fact that it is done by a neural network and that you can't find any image of the moon as JPG in the ROM is irrelevant. The result is the same. You are going to find in the resulting image features typical of craters and mountain shadows that do not exist in your shot, and that could not even be produced by any enhancing filter, except one that understands that it's the moon, and has specifically be trained to ADD these details. Arun did not try hard enough, but I'm pretty sure you can have these features appear on a ping pong ball if the conditions are right. Craters on a ping pong ball?

​@@fixups6536 my friend has an s22 ultra, he took a zoomed in pic of Saturn and while no details appeared, we could see a faint hint of rings around the equator. I checked Saturn's axis at that time and the rings were exactly where we saw them. So if the phone can capture that big of details that far away....I don't think it should have any problem getting good focus on the moon

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i love how most people in the comment section still missed the point that Samsung enhances the photo, it doesn't replace or fake it. People are sometimes just that dumb

@@tunar_karimovwell if i want a clearer fake moon photo by my camera i could just download images from google, there is no difference.

@@tunar_karimov how is it enhancing the photo when Ibreaksphotos put one and a half moons in front of the camera and the Samsung removed the half moon. Convenient how it wasn’t discussed in this video.

@@juniors3275 Any links? Cuz his original post in reddit is shown in the video, which is also a heavy enhancement on the moon’s photo

They aren't lying, they CAN make one hell of a moon shot. using processing.

@@Avaitor_YTI understand what you're saying ,but those are two different things.

@@Bill_v1 You need the camera for it, do you not!?

@@Avaitor_YT The camera alone can't do it. Even the phone alone can't do it. It needs to recognize it as a moon shot, then pull in data from other pictures that were not taken on the phone and merge them. It's a deep fake. If you want to believe deep fakes are the real thing, well...

Same

Exactly

Yep. And to be honest, if you don't want this behaviour in ANY shape or form, you shouldn't use smartphone cameras at all. Almost every device will have implemented this to some extent, and some are more clear about it (imo, Samsung is) than others.

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Especially considering that pretty much every photo created from astrophotographers is edited in some way, may it be stacking, edited in lightroom or photoshop or both or other programs. That's just how appealing photos are created. All whats happening now is people realizing good photos are edited because raw photos just don't look good enough. They expect to photos automatically look beautiful, even when this isn't how it works.

No. The issue is Samsung is using this moon photo to advertise their camera capabilities, which is false advertising. If Samsung didn't false advertise and be honest about it, then it's completely fine.

And the lesson is use a proper bloody camera made for photography,such as a Nikon.

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