How Simplicity RUINED Sonic Riders Zero Gravity 

What more characters could they add?

As someone who's played Free Riders, the only issues I agree on is controls and story but everything else is actually amazing especially the graphics and quality of levels, you also race against Metal Sonic at the end who's been that Green Robot who's a member of Team Dark the whole time.

@@artistanthony1007 if it wasn’t a Kinect game, other than it not being artistically appealing as the other two it was pretty good.

@Darek Młot oooohh cool!

@@artistanthony1007 Free Riders also has some pretty eh music as well. I only remember 4 consistently and one is the main theme “Free”.

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But if we’re being honest, Riders isn’t even hard, but people are just unwilling to learn some of the tokens of it. Its tech is much less physically demanding than say melee This is from a college student who just started playing Riders like two days ago, if I can pick it up like that, I think anyone can

@JRP gotta remember most of us probably just finished shitting ourselves when this game came out. I'm pretty sure I couldn't even read. Even now many people including fans of the game itself admit it can be unwieldy. A game being obtuse doesn't necessarily make it inferior and no one is saying ZG IS better. Many of us just really enjoy it and just want people to stop deriding it just to play up the original. But agreed from Al, liking anything Sonic related is grounds for being the big glasses.

Now look up a zg speedrun and you'll see that it's even more cheese than the original. Lmfao.

For the most part the original game is cheesed by one board as is. Still good fun tho

Yeah this guy is wack and close minded

@@joakinglegend7664 no he’s not lmao, he’s just expressing his opinion

@@shanecorcoran2542 That should have been the video then

@@joakinglegend7664 No. He just has a different opinion. I never played the game until yesterday. I thought it was great but thats because I haven't played any others in the series and Ive never played it before

Agreed

Same dude, I played the hell out of that game back when I was a kid, mostly because that was the only console sonic game I had but still was really fun to play, eaven if i suckted at it

@@gustavocolomaoporto2055 I just like racing games in general. So I had to pick it up.

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i think that's just because the gravity mechanics aren't great to begin with. it's a slower drift, a boost only worth using in specific parts of the track and sticking into walls in a really clunky way. i agree about the accessibility tho, when i used to go to the church, we had a zg tournament and it was fun

You're free to have you own opinion, but it really was a step down. Likely due to the complaints of people who never got good at the mechanics in the first. Whined and spawned ZG.

I wasn't really asking to have my own opinion but thank you I guess lol. I don't think it's better than the normal game I just think ZG genuinely utilizes what it introduced well, if you want to use shortcuts immediately there are X-gears for that, and it just visually more appealing. Unfortunately despite how much better the first game is the honest truth is the only people still playing it are us who've relatively mastered it at our base levels. Whereas ZG was actually my introduction to the series and was the reason I went back to the original due to how much more open it is to new people. The only one I can turn people onto is ZG first because no one wants to learn to get food at the original just to try and have fun. I know it's all just opinion based so I'm trying not to wad up my panties too much but with how often people talk down ZG and little time and respect it's given I think you're all really minimizing the game that not only could bring in a new generation but might be possibly a gateway to bringing back Riders if enough publicity from all this exposure happens. Otherwise I guess we could go the Melee route but I genuinely want this series to comeback. We can even mix in the transformed, the team, or just racings power-ups since Riders power ups (in all of them) were pretty non-existent ngl. Anyways I'm just some kid yelling at the clouds because he's butthurt everyone dogs on this game, it kinda feels like no one wants to give the game its props when yes it did do a lot wrong, but once again in my opinion it also did quite a lot right.

@@Junkyardproduxtions Nah what your saying makes alot of sense. In fact even though I played riders first I never really felt ZG was boring I actually enjoyed the gravity mechanics even if they were a slower version of the previous already liked mechanics such as drift and boost. ZG had alot of expectations placed on it because the people who love OG riders wanted *more* but instead they get disappointed because it's not as intuitive as the OG, J's title basically sums up why a riders fan would never like ZG.

I full-heartedly agree. Though it takes playing the fan version to realize it. The track design in this game is *amazing* and at pretty much every turn, most jumps, and plenty of odd-sections there is a way for you to shortcut the track using the gravity ring. In no other racing game do you get so many 90 and 180 degree turns. And that is only possible with something like the Gravity Ring. The devs definitely delivered on the track design.

I prefer the original due to better gameplay and more skill and the story is more interesting but ZG was good

I agree. ZG is a lot more easier to handle due to the simplicity and it made it more fun to me personally

Was the first game really that hard for you guys?

Honestly, never played the first game only this one, but I always thought this was an amazing game, at a time when I was younger loving futuristic things like hoverboards this game was amazing, and even if this guy says ‘the story kinda bad’ I can never really see it. All I can remember is reminiscing of that broken robot grabbing the case when you think everything is okay, that scene still gives me chills

YES

Same here Zg is my preferred riders game out of the three.

Same here

Same, the tutorial made it so much easier to get into than Rider's, the later tracks on the Heroes side were fun to play too. There were so many little ways you could cut down your times.

ZG was always my preferred game. Until I revisit the original after a long time months ago. I did play the og first but both games are my childhood. Free Riders just killed the series and gave us literally nothing.

@Paul Bell maybe for you but i remember experiencing some glitches as a kid, then again i was a kid at that time so it was probably different from when i remember it

It gets better. According to a fantranslation, Jet only says "Unbelievable. To think our ancestors were the spirits that appear in those stories."(Refering to the folk tales that have magic carpets in them). That means actual genies like in Secret Rings were never a part of this, the people just thought of both as a the same thing due to their similar elements. This would also mean that the babylon guardian is not a genie either.

Free Riders still combines aspects and it does Gear Changes better, you switch stances to switch your Gear Parts (minus Bike) WITHOUT Rings and you can purchase a whole lot then interchange them, that idea was legit perfect and I would love to see it brought back and expanded more with more options but also any character can use the Grind, Air Ride and Power Type Parts so if Free Riders doesn't count, why is it having this mechanic work more like the first?

I prefer the original game's ost hands down. It's fun, sporty, and energetic, and I think that fits Sonic Riders perfectly. ZG's OST was trying a little too hard to have a serious futuristic vibe in virtually every song, which doesn't really fit as nicely and just generally doesn't sound as pleasant to me.

@@KirbyGotenksabsorbed Nah, the serious tone of Sonic Riders Zero Gravity is one of the best things the game could have had. It's probably one of the last Sonic games with that "edgy" vibe but well executed, those were the good old days :( I agree that the mechanics have small flaws but it's the same with the first Riders, both games failed a bit in execution but their concept is amazing and totally accurate to a Sonic game. It seems like both games deserve a good remake, at least we already have Sonic Riders Regravitified :)

@@KirbyGotenksabsorbed Disagree, Main Menu music & character select music is better than the one from the original OST although in terms of stage themes, gameplay, story and everything else the original is better and is overall the more fun and complete game

The guy who made this video is kind of a dumbass

To be fair, Sonic’s personality being toned down and him barely doing anything except listening to other characters was just kind of a way the character was written in several stories in the mid-2000s, Rush and 06 say hi. I don’t approve of it, but I think they may have just tried being more consistent there.

I agree that the story is a great step up from the first Riders, in fact I think it's one of my top 3 Sonic plots in the series. It does suck that Sonic doesn't do much in the cutscenes, but I think it gives some other characters moments to shine, like Knuckles acting as guide and translator in the Gigan Rocks and Tails piecing together the mystery of the Divine Wings. I thought the Rogues were also handled well overall. I'm a big fan of Wave, and sure, she isn't the jackass we know she can be but I think that's down to her feeling like she's not exactly competing. She's a lot more invested in Babylonian history and technology than Jet because Jet is always looking to compete, which makes some great character juxtaposition.

@@rainpooper7088 You've got a point there, but still. I'm always ok when other characters have time to shine, but Sonic in ZG was really doing nothing except standing.

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Is this true or are you just joking about it?

@@lightthegreninja2793 nothing I said it a joke, and I also don't know which part you thought was. I am the lead dev for DX, we are having a third title, and I did add the feature for ignoring turbulence via a toggle on the Y button (used to be on the Z button way back when).

@@airkingneo You are a god amongst people for adding a way to easily and consistently dip out of turbulence. And thank you for your work on these projects! They massively improve the play experience for those going back to the games years later.

Thank you so much for doing all of this!

I think the fact that you are actually making a 3rd Sonic Riders Game completely different from the already existing games sounds too good to be true. That's probably why Light the Greninja thought you were joking. How did you manage to make the story for your Sonic Riders Game? That & Voice Acting are a huge part of what prevents people from making entirely new games on this scale. If the Adventure Fans had your level of ability Sonic Adventure 3 would have happened by now.

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I never will understand how the weakest 6th Gen Console in terms of hardware can somehow manage to play this game. PS2 was literally the Wii of 6th Gen Consoles except it didn't experience shortages to meet demand back when it came out.

Exactly, ZG is fun with everyone, like Mario Kart, you don't need hours to learn how to play well, and this review doesn't understand that, literally Mario Kart sells more for being that, simple

There's the Ring powered EG Chaos Emerald and Crazy Taxi, each burn down fast but not as much with Super Sonic.

@@artistanthony1007 Interesting. I honestly owe this game another replay. This time focusing on the Meta aspects. Totally never knew about Crazy Taxi!!!

@@Megaman.ExE7 i think youre better off emulating it with an unlock all cheat code this time around so you dont feel like your time was wasted on what could be a cheap gimmick, plus youll have all stages to play it with anyway

Nah Zero Gravity is way better than the first one

Yeah is objectively the best

Yep, more mechanics doesn't make a game better

Me too

Also I like zero gravity more because of the gravity system, you can link gravity dives with the gravity drift move to literally fly through the air, also the level up system has more of a risk Vs reward system as you can choose which upgrade you want, for example you could choose to get the upgrade which allows you to take type specific shortcuts, or you could choose to increase your gravity gauge in order to last longer in between trick ramps. Overall I think riders zero gravity is a lot more simple but it still has moments where quick thinking and decisions can lead to your victory or your downfall

True. Plus Zg i like better because you don't have to constant worry about refilling your air with the pits. Making it less tedious. Thankfully Zg you don't need to worry about that too much.

@@edwardrobinson5470 yeah it's really cool, even though it's the easier riders game that doesn't detract from the experience

@@benjoman8252Agreed. Simplicity can be a good thing. I like Zg a lot though I'm rescently play the first riders.

@@edwardrobinson5470 Those are good points indeed, but I feel as though it lacks the flow and skill requirement of the first in terms of gameplay.

*sonic team

still seems too much generalization

It takes quite awhile to get used to the controls and get it right but he'll figure it out, trust me I've beaten SFR and played it so much but that doesn't mean the controls always work but if I can do it, so can he but he shouldn't begin Story nor Tutorial and just do Regular Races such as Time Attack, he should master the courses first because they're gonna need you to do alot of effort in them.

I originally thought that's why he put the retrospective on hiatus, because Free Riders exists.

in his 1st riders review he said he wasnt going to make the free riders review probably because the game was unplayable and in this video he said he was going to make the sonic 4 review next.

@@matrixpictures7799 No, he said that he would cover it, just later.

@@soni-switch5270 oh shit i forgot about that. sry lol

not the xbox? (which is ironically funny because OG had a port but not ZG)

_Why are my limbs slack? I can't see the end of the horizon._ *_HATSUNE MIKU!?!_*

I hope it gets a fan-mod version some day in line with Zero G. The game doesn't have as many redeeming qualities but just letting people without a Kinect try it out and have some of the simple staples back.

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 look up sonic riders x if you wanna play a fan made version, its still in the demo process tho, but it looks reallly good

That is a very good point... since it does invalidate a major complaint of theirs completely.

Old comment but I can say that while you can use certain things to have shortcuts I still find it a flaw myself. This is because I hate using skates myself but if I want to take grind shortcuts well I have no well choice. I prefer the first game's approach. Everyone has their default shortcuts but certain boards let you have two with those boards not being too great to balance it out.

Also, you can save up to get the second upgrade instead of getting the first upgrade first, which usually takes less than 20 seconds in my experience.

I tried it out again on my wii. I am a sucker for racing games. And I had to admit it was pretty awesome. I never really cared for the game back in the day. But I now like it way more.

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Same here. I remember watching a bunch of sonic stuff on youtube has a kid, the really bad amvs, the ''movie'' cutscenes videos, let's plays, Archie comic dubs and those awful movie maker ship related videos and stories...Those were simpler and fun times :')

​@@iblobliboo8501Yep.

Also MK8 is a downgrade to SRZG, made 4 Years after and Nintendo just did a generic magnetic Kart racing game and they clearly didn't even try to do anything creative especially something to compete with SRZG having you initiate a dope transition when the mechanic is used to skip to the next part of the music.

@@artistanthony1007 MK8's "gravity" gimmick definitely felt more like something the Devs were proud of and wanted to put on their resume rather than something great for the game. They literally had to make it so you boost when you knock into someone to notice *any* gameplay changes from riding on the wall or going upside down.

The funniest thing is that she is literally all the types at once. She can run, she can attack and she can even f*cking fly and glide with her spinattack for some reason.

@@jlev1028 No I said OP Cutscene as in Opening, not those ones but the backgrounds are accurate, it's hard to tell especially if your EG is moving but it is the same quality, those Screenshots you can find are how the actual levels look, it's not prerendered.

It clearly said Sonic Riders though... so obviously there shouldn't be changes. You always have to find bad sides of an argument and hold it against a person as a whole. You have to accept the fact that most people want a sequel to be similar as the core audience are fans and those who speak positive of the game... meaning people come for the positives they heard. You didn't learn anything at all while being part of this world did you?

It's actually more than just Boards and not just that, Skates and Bikes this time.

Dont forget Gravity Actions trigger a transition to lead to the next part of the song, never been done before.

@@artistanthony1007 exactly! It also made some very cinematic scenes in the middle of the race!

SFR is gonna take longer, it took me like...I don't know? A week or so to get used to the controls and I fail so much, couldn't even figure out how to get the character to be in sync or move right and the Story Mode was rougher but I beat the game.

Lol, his videos are really great with superb editing & execution of ideas in a review/overview video format... but if I had one major criticism to share, it would be that those little bits in the video really need to be improved. It's honestly pretty distracting and the only thing detracting from these videos and keeping it from being the very best of its kind on YT. Perhaps investing in better room lighting and improving the camera focus + more interesting viewing angles + cleaning all game-related components relevant to the video would help?

I do really hate the lighting in this room. That much is true. As far as the controller is concerned, yeah guilty as charged, I just pulled it out of the dust bin and put it on camera. I feel those camera segments are often pretty rushed, so they do need to be improved.

@@JsReviews good video man. Don’t take it too serious I’m just joking

Wth, that's weird. Huh.