@@freddycook630 firstly your not really leaving EU and secondly Republic of Ireland is now a net contributor to EU. I have no problem with a United Ireland but can't really see a rational reason for it.
Why? We have enough problems in the South without adding to them. I can't see what the North will bring to the table except strife...We're just fine as we are, thank you very much!
Not heard anyone make the point (yet) but the SF vote is a soft vote. SF, if they get into power, need to deliver on not only the big issues that we all know but also the quality of life issues (insurance costs, mortgage costs, etc) - if they dont this 'surge' will flow away from them as quick as it flowed to them.
Very true. We aren't like the Brits or Americans who just blindly put their faith into Johnson and Trump and never speak truth to power once they are elected
Good point. Anyone notice what happened in 2010 in Britain when the Lib Dems claimed they were the new third force in British politics. And what happened? They went into coalition with the tories, sold all the principles, and now are about as string as the Irish Labour party having being wiped out in the last election. No way will SF solve the housing crisis - for a start, there aren't enough construction workers, and secondly, where's the money going to come from?
Labour in Scotland would never go into coalition with the SNP,......EVER! It has been their downfall because SNP are left of centre so labour voters are voting for SNP 😊
I'm all for getting children involved in politics but that's 25 minutes of my life I will never get back couldn't even watch to the end is it not possible to get informed people to debate this historic a d strange change in Irish politics
It is funny how nobody even pretends anymore, that they were not the terrorists themselves. They were also the Sinn Fein that shortly before they fell out of use in the 40s failed to gain traction for staying in the British commonwealth. They were also the terrorist who killed more Catholics in the north than the prod terrorists, or the military together, a lot more; while they won't tell families what happened to the kids and mothers they killed. They are also the party that called for then lost the civil war in the 20s. Real friendly types, who never missed a chance to make maters worse. I hope they get into power now because they will either do a good job, which would be super, or they will show how all along they never had a clue, and the shine will be gone from all their propaganda.
@Eoin f yes I have a very good understanding the history of Sinn Fein and the conflicts on this island and they where not my first preference anyway.. may statement is an objective unbiased assessment of the comments.
@@ulsterscotsman6648 Peadar Tóibín has informed the public about how decisions are made inside SF. It is all centrally controlled. Likewise senor appointments. It is the pretence of a political movement.
Though having Irish maternal grandparents, I've never visited Ireland. My grandfather left during the Civil War,and his family used to help the "Boys" during the War, up there in Donegal...so Mary Lou's rise is,for me, fascinating.😊👍
@Enoch's Ghost wannabe? I am not Irish. I am proud of my dad's side more. That picture is where my French Creole paternal grandfather was born:) I'm not American.
@@MrResearcher122 Yeah, but you do realize the civil war, as opposed to the war for independence was Irish on Irish, so helping the boys, was helping them kill fellow countrymen. Not exactly a happy day.
@@HondoTrailside As noted, I am not Irish. But the Civil War is the reason my grandfather left. It wasn't my war.After a few pints, he would sing Republican songs,and boast of his Uí Néill heritage. Given his tribe or clans role in Irish history, I think he had a right,God Rest Him, to take a side. And as his grandson, I am entitled,surely, to look on current Irish political affairs with a sense of familial interest?
According to the Independent, Fianna Fail have 38 seats and SF 37. So why is all the talk about SF forming a government? Surely those who voted FF should hold some sway too seeing as they have more seats than SF?
"all the talk" is not about SF forming a government, it's about SF holding significantly more sway than they ever have weather they are in government or not, they are no longer an extreme leftist, revolutionary party on the fringes, they are now a legitimate alternative to the historical seesaw of FF-FG.
@@ciarant5563 'They are no longer an extreme leftist revolutionary party on the fringes'...Absolutely spot on ... they are now an extreme leftist revolutionary party soon to be at the centre of government...and that's what scares me shitless! 4 years of that lot and we'll be another Venezuela ...
@@bluegtturbo Venezuela helped it's poor people buy homes! Subsidized food programmes! But that was a bad example to Americans! So Trump and CIA started to put sanctions on it! Same as Cuba! Obama met with Castro and was starting to open doors for Cuba! But Trump destroyed it.
@@madrarua599 Sorry - but your argument falls down badly because ...Venezuela was a failed bankrupt state long before Trump entered the White House. Eg inflation was running at 99% in 1996! Venezuela has some of the worlds richest natural resources, but the commies pissed it all away. I say that as someone who thinks the USA should stop sticking it's nose and its intelligence agencies into other countries affairs. And yes, sanctions are not helping, and making ordinary citizens suffer even more. But the corrupt Venezuelan politicians were the originators of the problems.
FF only got 38 seats because one of those (that of the speaker, who is an FF member) was returned automatically. FF only WON 37 seats in the election, the same number as SF. Since SF won more of the popular vote than FF, that gives SF a claim on legitimacy as the senior partner in government. Not clear whether it's a claim that will work, but it's a claim nonetheless.
Sin Féin have a young and liberal voting base despite not having any green energy policy, and being Eurosceptics, two things that are VERY unpopular in Ireland. How people reconcile these factors, I have no idea. The mental gymnastics involved is baffling
Great programme... Great result but I’ve a question. Why would there ever be a need for SF to disassociate themselves with the IRA? Everyone knows their past.. They won their legitimacy through an amazing campaign. I have no idea why anyone would even have to ask this os Sinn Féin. They are what they are from their history and progressiveness.... Up the Rebels 🇮🇪✊️
From most of the people I have met that voted sf they are ignorant of the parties history and where more of a protest vote. Most sf voters are unaware of the communist party that sf are aligned with in the eu. If people wanted change, sf will bring change alright but change for the worst. Open boarders here we come. Brits out everybody else in. Economic melt down, fdi jumping ship and middle income families taxed into oblivion but don't worry "up the rebels" 🌋🌋.
@@dibble2005 it doesn't matter if they don't see them as associated with the ira. They still are ran by the ira council and that may not sit nice with you but facts are fact sweetheart. You and your cohort have brought extremism into the mainstream of irish politics and generations to come will pay for your short term dopamine hit.
They didn't win it on a great campaign, they got this result because people are so sick of fg and ff, it would have been an easy win for any opposition party at this moment in time because the issue in this country is people are not voting on principles, they are just voting for the so called alternative without thinking about it
The fact is, Sinn Féin policies are great but they simply dont add up. You can't afford to build 10,000 social houses if you remove USC. And by building them, you don't solve the problem. You have to provide amenities and employment or you'll have the same problem when their children grow up. How can any party call itself the party of workers when it's 16 new business taxes and a hike in corporation tax will leave 1,000's of workers without jobs. And it says it has moved on from the days of the IRA but it still holds it's policies. SF doesn't recognise article7 of the constitution that only the army has the right to use weapons. And it can't account for the origin of it's finances or what the mysterious 'Árd Comhairle' is.
Also, how is it a normal party if it refuses to take it's seats in Westminster or how it's policies are decided. The debates they have at the Árd fheis are used to justify their existing policy. We need a united Ireland but it means something very different to SF. To them it's about continuing the work of their IRA. To FF it's about finely competing what it was created to do and making De Valera proud.
Nobody is more influential in the Republican Movement than I am, and I have made it known to the party that we must hold back from a border vote for the current generation.
Can yous elaborate on these connections to crime or better still go to the Garda station with your information I for one would like to know what's going on. These connections we have in Ireland can be anything we live on a small island
Barely one minute into the debate she says...."fucked the country up...." Why do young people feel the need to use language like that on air? Hopefully she'll look back on this and realise what an idiot she's been for including such a word during what's meant to have been a political debate?
Before I listen to this, I’ll just make a few points. Firstly, it makes great headlines but they got 20 odd percent of the vote. More than 3 quarters of the country voted against them. It’s a big rise but it’s been over blown. Secondly, they’ve some alright policies but also a lot of non policies. A list of grievances is not policies. They say things people agree with but digging deeper, they offer scant solutions. They’ve not actually ever had to deliver on a manifesto before and even if they get onto power, probably won’t be able to deliver much. They’ve used social media very well. People have a short attention span. Younger voters have forgotten/ignored some of the shadier aspects of their history and responded to their media game. Mary Lou is a bloody impressive speaker. Apart from the Paul Quinn questions where she had zero good responses and looked like a cornered animal, she generally comes across very well, whether you agree with her position or not. And then there’s Labour. Labour used to represent dockers, factory workers, cleaners, bar staff, labourers. At some point they disappeared up their own holes and came to the conclusion that the poorly paid workers who needed protection were teachers, guards, public servants etc. People generally paid well above the average industrial wage. When people were losing their jobs, having wages and hours slashed, working conditions destroyed, Labour went to bat for people in secure jobs with decent pay and good pensions. Yes, living in Dublin with those jobs may not be easy, but these people are not in the position of a minimum wage worker cut to a 3 day week with no job security and no pension. It’s incomparable. Sometimes the narrative here would lead you to believe teachers are in the same boat. They’ve just not. So the working people looked elsewhere. And Sinn Fein offered some easy answers. And here we are.
Robert Brandywine Labour became champagne socialists. Concerned with the arts and protecting well to do middle class public servants that they came to believe were the low payed workers rather than the actual low paid workers, who they, at best, only payed lip service to. The traditional core support base of Labour decided to look elsewhere.
Robert Brandywine Yes they are. It has nothing to do with Labour in Britain. The Irish Labour Party has existed since 1912. It was last in power in the coalition government between 2011-2016.
If someone who wants decent affordable housing, a good education and a chance to earn a living, the same for their children, are Left Wing\Socialist then count me in. The two parties Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have had enough time to get the house in order but they have creeked along and believed they carry on as before and were never going to have to answer to the people, have now found out, that is not the case. The party is over for them, a band aid for now but....
Well if we can get all free loaders out now. Ireland might become great again, we from the north might even be able too afford a little holiday in our own country!!!! 🇮🇪
Hard leftists up in arms at another glorious revolution. Its amazing the moral debasement they'll engage in. Maybe they'll come up North and see the workers revolution in full flight. Ex IRA men were being paid £20 a day by a Provo controlled builders firm after they got released post GFA. Many others like famous Blanketman Kieran Hughes was left to become a 'river rat', destitute drinking daily and forgotten until of course his funeral came round then the Provoganda mill could fire up once more. Brendan Hughes[Provo royalty tried to organise a strike] and was told he'd get a pay rise of £25 if he settled down. If this is what they do to their own what makes you think they'll be any different in the Republic? We have a serious problem with educating people it seems as to the reality of what the Troubles was, our press are total cowards who will mock bishops all day but god forbid they might actually probe an organisation that committed war times in our lifetimes. Dunphy for all his wishy washy bandwagon jump was right. this IS different
Center Right Parties were socialists were they? The capitalist corporate EU is socialism is it? Where are the workers councils and democratic centralism? Or the planned economies that makes immigration utterly pointless except for needed skilled workers if said nations can’t find the expertise at home? You know NOTHING about the thing you are against! That makes you an idiot
Full employment, almost free third level education, freedom of speech, great quality of life, v low poverty rates yet people are upset and want change. Will get change alright as no wealth creator will dare stay domiciled here. Wonder when SF will throw out Apple?
@@stuartkelly3106 They plan was to tax the super wealthy, but once they leave they'll come after the average man/woman who has happened to have done well for themselves and is just middle class on a salary of lets say 50k - 70k etc. I feel this vote will lead to a brain drain. Kind of like a bank run except with people. I'd imagine there's a lot of Irish considering their options now and will leave as a result of this. Others will see this happening and will then also leave too.
@@Intercontinentalist let's hope for FF FG Green coalition. FF though coz they are sneaky bastards might do a deal with these lunatics and therefore there will be no opposition.
Listening to these two young pundits would normally cheer me up to hear Irish people having a go at speaking English. Yet the undertones of nepotism is clear in their rhetoric and I cannot but feel the content of their podcast is not original. A new generation groomed by the old actually is the same old same old. The insecure Irish incapable of living beyond nepotism and cliquey gangs. Thus not westernised.
