KamenRanger999 grievous grabbed Jedi lightsaber of any colour regardless of the new canon. the old version is better anyway. grievous was force sensitive just never trained.
I mean grievous would probably use the original colors anyways, even if he could bleed them. He liked the fact that they represented trophies of jedi he had killed and he liked to show that off when fighting jedi.
I much prefer the new way Sith acquire their crystals. I feel it's much more mysterious and sort of adds to just how powerful a force user actually had to be before they were able to consider themselves a true Sith
Same here. It keeps the visual storytelling aspect of the lightsaber alive, making the acquisition/creation of a red crystal symbolically significant. The Legends version of synth-crystals was OK, and also involved a Sith/Darksider pouring their anger and hate into the process, but this version -- taking it by force from another Force-User -- makes it much more visceral, more personal.
@@xIllMadeKnightx Maybe the truth lies somewehere in between. Maybe the secret of how to artificially grow sith crystals was lost, hence why they have to bleed crystals, that belonged to the jedi.
The comic starts after the Noooo! scene. It's not a reimagining of that scene. The writer states as much. Think of the comic being what happens after the wipe from that part of the movie.
That's not a middle finger. Do you really think Vader was there yelling no for hours? No, he was just letting his bottled emotions out. First comes pain and suffering, then comes anger.
No no, he's right. The ones in the comics are also made in the Lucasfilm prop department. That's the place they do the comics and they photoshop the lightsabers into the comics there. Yes this is all accurate and I don't need to back it up. No I'm not making this up, stop with your accusations.
I like the idea of bleeding a crystal. I've always felt that the mechanic of force users just picking a lightsaber color was lame. Definitely something that makes sense for a video game but not for the actual lore of a universe
Yep. I like these new versions of the crystals too because it builds a connection between the user and the weapon. In a way, it also feel more spirtual than scientifical compared to the Legends version, in which you can just swap crystals whenever you like because colorssss!
I was fine with the Legends explanation. I saw no probeem with it, BUT the same can be said about the canon explanation. I really like the idea that crystals are far more... personal now. They bond with the user in a much more meaningful way. And now, whenever you see a red lightsaber in the hands f a Sith, you'll know that means that someone was killed to earn it. I wonder who Kylo Ren killed. Now crystals are more "fantasy" and "mystcal" than "sci-fi" and "clinical". Also, I just thought about this, what if this is another reason why Qui-gon knew that Maul was a Sith after encountering him in Tatooine? Maybe the "bleeding" process is a specifically Sith ritual, so whoever has a red lightsaber must either be a Sith, or have gotten Sith teachings from somewhere.
legends is better. they chose a crystal that suited them personally anyway in the old canon. I prefer the different coloured crystals. the synthetic crystal also required the dark force user to in force their power into the crystal to give it the red colour rather than a typical white synthetic crystal.
Angela Gwen It's a good idea but it has many errors in the continuity, example in ashoka tano novel it says the crystals are are saw by nomal people as chunk of ice, but in Force Awakens novels it mention the Pirate Ithano was searching Dooku's treasure of kyber Crystals and the Crimson corsair it's not force sensitive and the 'bleeding' has troubles too with movies, example the death star is mentioned in rogue one catalyst the turboblaster use Kyber Crystals against it's own will and still shoot green laser, Grievous use fallen jedis lightsabers against the crystals will and Anakin the same about killing younglings It could be good idea if they used it before.
That's not how it worked at all... sure, Jedi had crystals that corresponded with their role in the order, but they never got to "choose." The Force decided it for them. Sith, on the other hand, crafted their crystals, they were synthetic. And no, that didn't mean that they were throw away items either. Maul's story surrounding his crystals dismisses that notion. Another thing that's already been pointed out here is the fact that this process has been proven wrong in other canon sources already, namely every single one of the movies. Unless Lucas wants to retcon the entire damn franchise, this process is not canon. Also, minor side note: "sci-fi" and "clinical" are a *good thing* in a science fiction universe. This isn't high fantasy, it's supposed to be explainable to a degree. Hell, even the Force has a decent explanation for it. This is ridiculous, not to mention that this means that the old Sith before Bane are now a near impossibility, considering that, at one point there were likely more Sith than Jedi. Unless they were somehow killing Jedi for their crystals to the point where the order was extinct, then reestablished it to kill more, this fucks with the timeline. But hey, no need for the universe to at the very least be consistent, right?
I love the new canon's lightsaber/Kyber lore. It incorporates the Force and the Orders' philosophies much more and demonstrates why Lightsabers are such an integral part of the Jedi and Sith.
What I liked about this comic is that it also shows that the empire still used clone wars ear technology like in thrawn. Such as stormtroopers still using clone trooper armor and venators still in use.
I think it's awesome that they have to go earn their crystal. That just adds to the power of the Sith. I was initially skeptical on the crystal bleeding thing, but it makes a lot of sense as a trial to force them to test their skill against Jedi. It does raise questions about Kylo Ren. I assume he got his from the fallen Jedi he possibly killed when he attacked Luke's academy. That raises very interesting questions.
In the Ahsoka Novel, it's revealed that you can heal bled crystals and bind them to your aura as well, which is how Ahsoka got her white crystals. As for Sith going on quests to find their crystals for their lightsabers, it's not that new! In Legends on Korriban, Sith Trial had them retrieve lightsabers from Sith Corpses, like when Revan had to pass a final trial and secure a Lightsaber from Naga Sadow's tomb, or when the Emperor's Wrath (Sith Warrior class) finds their lightsaber in the tomb of Tulak Hord in the Old Republic game. I think the original concept was that Sith didn't have lightsabers so they stole them from Jedi, and then took the crystals for themselves. Centuries later, the lightsabers are found by other Sith venturing into their tombs and use them again, rather than building their own lightsabers, which is what Jedi do!
I'm glad we're seeing more of the Sith Mystic arts and such, I'm quite a fan of the bleeding idea personally, it gives the sith more gravitas then they previously did and its world building at its core
I'm wondering if he maybe got ahold of vaders crystal. Maybe bled Luke's rotj saber. Maybe his doesn't have a crystal and that's partially why it's so unstable. 8
I like the concept of bleeding crystals. It makes the Kyber Crystal feel more special too considering it has been stated that all attempts to synthesise them have failed to make viable focusing lenses for Lightsabers. I never liked before how ultimately you could just pick any old Force attuned gem and get away with it.
The "nooooo" he scream at the movie happen before the First page, there he express his grief. The "no" at the splash page happen after that, there he unleash his anger, that is what usually happens after accept the loss of someone. If we see this that way, there's no contradiction, the two moments happened. Also, Sideous nailed it after Vader pushed him.
I think it would be interesting if both the old and the new way of making a red lightsaber were Canon, and that by using a crystal that has been bled instead of a synthetic one, it made the lightsaber more powerful
Question for Q&A. Do you think we may see some adaptation of Crimson Empire? I think it would be cool see a canon story of the Emperors crimson guards. Finally seeing them in action!
I like the quest idea. It builds up more of the mythology, unlike Legends where you just get a crystal, and Bam, you're done. It forces the Sith (or Dark Side user) to really admit themselves to the Dark Side
I've seen people discussing about the Siths from the Old Republic and how they got they're red crystals, but the reason might bequite simple: It's a "Rule of Two" tradition, steal a Jedi's lightsaber and corrupt his or her crystal.
I really like this new explanation of how the Sith get their RED lightsabers. It makes it feel natural and more in tune with the dark side of the Force. Can't wait to read the new Darth Vader comic!! I practically OWN all 4 volumes. Insightful video, Alex!! #StarWars4Life😀👍🌠
actually I think it makes much less sense....it also states that the sith / dark side are dependent on the jedi to provide them with crystals....which clashes directly with the sith code....+ ...what would the sith do when the jedi are destroyed and the last jedi lightsaber crystal has been used?....+ the sith had lightsabers before comming back into contact with the jedi
which actually adds to Palpatine's mentality that, if a Sith is powerful enough, then they don't need lightsabers at all. He himself only carried a lightsaber at the end as a mockery to the Jedi. Plus, let's say the Jedi are gone from the galaxy, there are always going to be force users. Knowing the Sith, they'd likely enslave those new force users and force them to bond with crystal, only to be killed and the bonded crystals harvested.
actually, if I recall the plagueis novel correctly, palpatine did use a lightsaber through all of his sith life...not just at the end. + how would they force non jedi lightside force users to bond with crystals...I mean although this whole bonding system was only introduced for the clone wars series...I cannot think of other group of light side force users that commited themselves to bonding with crystals....seems like a jedi thing only. so they would have to teach a technique, that they do not know, to a potential slave who doens't have a clue either...how could that work? +this whole slayn jedi crystal thing still colides with the the sith during and before the great galactic war....they had red lightsabers...and they didn't slay jedis to get the crystals....the produced synthetic ones since they didn't have access to natural ones. + there was a plethora of sith who didn't have red light sabers (exar kun for example)
Excuse me, but what is the POINT of red kyber crystals, Canon vs. Legends? I think the new Canon explanation of natural Sith crystals is great, yet ONE of the most controversial retcons among fans? Any REASONS to support its contemptuous status?
Kaleesh Matriarch you know... if they'd introduced this method of corrupting a jedi's lightsaber crystal as an addition, not a replacement, I would have less of a problem with it...although I think this whole jedi crystal bonding thing should not be mandatory, a execption perhaps....making it a special thing It would've worked just fine. Keeping both methods would not have been a problem, not at all...an enrichment of lore even...One could've let palpatine explain how the sith discovered this method during the great galatic war and grew fond of it to insult the jedi. ...But this attitude of the new disney funded star wars just dumping their stuff all over the lore that has been accepted and used for decades really pisses me of
Back in the day it was more simple: Vader had a red light saber because he was bad and Obi Wan a blue one because he was good but the bleeding crystals are kind of cool
You know, at first, I wasn't so hot on the whole Kyber crystal thing and felt like it was kind of a whole "you can't choose your lightsaber color, you have to be assigned a random color" deal. But now, considering how a crystal stays a color once attuned, (unless bled or unbled, of course), that you actually can choose your lightsaber color if you wanted to, and that bleeding a crystal is more like a Sith tradition overall, I kind of like it
I like this a whole lot it makes more sense to me that they need to corrupt a crystal to make it red and could also make kylo's lightsaber even more cool in some way
it IS possible (at least i love the idea of) that jedi turned sith would "bleed" their own crystal as it is mentioned in "ahsoka" that they bend it to their will. the will of the dark side. which would make "healing" crystals a type of redemption for jedi like revan and ahsoka
I like the idea of "bleeding" a crystal. Because blood from a crystal or stone doesn't seem right, but it at once invokes the idea that the kyber crystals are something more and that the Sith are always self-centered, breaking others so they will serve them. Crystals included.
It’s strange because at savis workshop there are pure red crystals available to builders but apparently bleeding only really creates small cracks that show red bleeding through. So I’m not sure if theirs partial bleeding and full bleeding and what the differences are
Honestly, I never liked the new Cannon, however, the way you have address it does give way to some interest. I think the bleeding process is a cool idea and needs to be shown in the films, but I won't mind if they had kept the synthetic crystals.
I guess it's more meaningful if crafting a Lightsaber is a personal journey but I just like the thought that Jedi just build Lightsabers the same way normal people build Blasters or Bowcasters. Jedi can choose whatever color they like by using a Kyber Crystal of the corresponding hue and it's a tradition for Sith to build their lightsabers using red ones. It's kind of like picking a color for your iPhone. I don't like the fact that Kyber Crystals are somewhat sentient and/or magic. I think the Force should be the only thing supernatural about Star Wars.
As first I had some resentment to the bleeding process I liked that in Legends Sith can create crystals and forge of bond with them When I first heard how Inquisitors got their sabers I felt like they took the easy way out in getting their saber color, not earning the power of the crystal like Jedi or Sith in Legends do, as they had to work hard in forging the crystals in the Force a lot like Samurai forging their own blades But after hearing of the comic seeing how bleeding applied to Sith as well I came to see it was fitting The Sith bends the Force to their will like a Beast of Burden, makes sense that they do the same to Kyber Crystals as well The Sith in New Canon had to earn their saber crystals by fighting from another Jedi, meaning they either had to fight barehanded with only the Force to back them up or use other weapons to defeat the Jedi It challenges the Sith apprentice as fighting a fully armed Jedi without a full Lightsaber is difficult even for one as powerful as Vader as he's still getting used to his suit and his new powers at that point. Ultimately the apprentice proves their worth by seizing the power of the crystal for themselves, through their own effort and will
What I want to know is what is the point? In Legends the only reason they made synthetic red crystals was because the planet also had some Jedi on it and didn't want to risk confrontation so instead of finding one they took the easy way out. They say a bleeding crystal connects you more to the dark side, but how? A lightsaber is still a lightsaber and it wasn't shown that a red one was way more powerful than non red one. Seems pretty much the same as lightsabers can still cut no matter what color you give and it seems to be more of a rite of passage really? If anything you'd think it would expose them more. If the sith were hiding wouldn't it make more sense to use non red crystals, if they could get it, so they wouldn't stand out. With bleeding crystals I'd understand why Jedi wouldn't touch it, but it's not like you can't use it. They just can't make one but can still steal a red lightsaber from others and use it just fine. It's not like it won't turn on because they use the lightside of the force. I don't despise the idea, it's ok, but I like the legends explanation more. Plus back then you could see a sith with a non red lightsaber and you can also see a Jedi with a red lightsaber as red crystals could be found but were extremely rare. Even Luke and Leia used one and really a color shouldn't make you evil as the color red is nothing good or evil about it. If any saber would be used for evil intent, you would think something like the Darksaber which seems to be the opposite of a lightsaber, since it is dark and it is flat and has a sharp edge, but that's not an evil blade and it was made by a Jedi and passed down to other Jedi and Sith too. To me making synthetic crystals make sense because it symbolizes the sith take the quick and easy path. Instead of finding and mining crystals, they just make their own and back then you'd at least see some Jedi use a red blade and some sith use a non red blade.
I hope you got a comic about the First Inquisitor, I feel that he's kinda like the Boba Fett of rebels, maybe more like Jango Fett cuz he actually has some substance
Question, didnt he kill a "few" Jedi while order 66, so why does he have to go to another planet and kill a nother Jedi, in my opinion he has tons of crystals to choose from or at least should have.
What about Assajj Ventress? She was given Kamori Vosa's lightsabers by Dooku, but like you said she was only a Sith Assassin and not a Sith Lord. What I really want to know is if Kamori Vosa is at all canon? I really liked her story and how it fit into the clone origins with Jango Fett in Bounty Hunter!
Perhaps this is why Obi-Wan took Anakin's lightsaber on Mustafar - a vain attempt to keep Anakin from becoming a full Sith by corrupting his own weapon - that if he faced the weapon again it might help turn him back ... or something like that (didn't work--it took more than that, it took Luke's belief in him to redeem him)
I like the idea but i do like the fact in the old stories they can be synthetically made. Back in the old days they were only so many Jedi and at a time it could become impractical to kill a Jedi when you don't have a lightsaber to defend yourself with. So it would stand to reason depending on the escalation of the conflict it be more efficient to have crystals readily available then have to go through the trouble of killing a Jedi to get the crystals when you have a war to win.
I remember reading somewhere a while ago that the Sith also used synthetic crystals, which is what made them red - and that they used the synthetic ones due to a lack of supply of the regular crystals. Anything to that?
I still prefer the legends version where sith had to create their crystal through sith alchemy, that explain more for Darth Maul. But the "crystal bleedin" as an alternative sounds good, I could imagine that in legends canon for when jedis turns to the dark side and have yet to learn the sith arcane they can just bleed their crystals
I think it's fine. We simply don't know how Maul got his red sabre. Eventually, that question will probably get answered as people really love stories about Maul.
I don't thinl that 'red' saber means that some Jedi died. Kyber crystals were inherently attuned to the light side of the Force, and would attempt to resist any effort by dark side practitioners to use them in lightsabers. To this end, the only way a Sith could make use of a kyber crystal was to use the Force to dominate the crystal, bending it to their will. This process would cause the crystal to "bleed", as if it were a living organism, resulting in the distinctive red color lightsabers synonymous with the Sith
I like the "bleeding" of crystals more than the legends explanation. The whole "Synthetic" crystal feels too hokey and sci-fi rather than fantasy. The symbolic meaning of the new cannon "Bleeding" feels more true to star wars.
gonna dispute you on this four years later haha. a big element of star wars is the natural vs the industrial. too me the sith taking "a quick and easy path" and just creating there crystals fits with those two themes.
In the novel REVENGE OF THE SITH, Yoda realizes that the Sith had spent 1,000 years studying the Force. Who's to say they didn't learn about bleeding crystals during that time?
I asked Pablo Hidalgo the exact same question about Darth Maul's red lightsaber. Unfortunately I didn't get a response, but I think it's an interesting question.
In the rebels season 2 finale, kanan puts on a temple guard mask after he is attacked. Why were temple guards on malicore? does this mean the sentinels wore the masks full time?
I'm kind of into the whole "bleeding" a lightsaber crystal. I wouldn't necessarily believe that it had to come from a dead jedi's saber, though. It may just make the process more powerful, that way. Odds are, Vader could've gone and gotten another one from Ilum and just bled that one. Given Vader's mental state that early on, a "raw" crystal bonding to Vader would've probably gone straight to red anyway.
What makes sense to me is that the first order, except Kylo Ren are not full Sith, therefore they, like the Inquisitors before them, can simply make an existing crystal bleed.
I have a 2 questions for the newest video you will post. Have you heard of the Arrowhead that was revealed in 2nd season of Lego star wars the freemaker adventures? Can you find more information about it to explain?
