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It's a good process.... Hopefully more tech like what was shown can be invented for arid desert regions of Africa like the Sahara where clouds are rare or unseen....
you say the dams are drying up well yes, when Hitler was friends with Franco he told him build dams, and charge for the water, but they have dried up almost every river in Spain, contributing to global climate change.. this man does the job the government should do, but as long as the Nazi King is in power nothing will change
I like the idea of collecting water from fog. I think it should be a temporary solution, and should be used to water tree seedings, as trees do the best job of collecting water.
What they are doing is much more efficient and clearly much easier to collect the water from the mesh than from leaves or pine needles. Plus, with the mesh collectors they can direct the water to anywhere and used it for multiple things. If you used just trees then you end up with large trees that you cannot really collect enough water from and those trees don't collect enough to feed themselves else they would already have populated the very place where they are doing the fog mining for water.
@@standingbear998 No, this is cloud water, they're far from depleted through this process. The clouds just pass over the islands and the rain would fall into the Atlantic ocean. The Canary Islands are dry because the clouds are carried North/West, not because there isn't enough evaporation from the ocean.
No-one else loses water. Do pay attention. These are islands in the middle of the ocean. There’s plenty more ocean between this and the continent for more water to evaporate from. This is in fact the beginning of restoration of the rainfall pattern that happened before recent deforestation.
Nylon mesh used on South America last three years before failure due to photo oxidative degradation but today they last 20 years with no UV degradation with a product called Alterin PAM from the UK
Did she say that these forests started disappearing about 20,000 years ago due to human impact on global climate change? If so, what impact did humans have 20,000 years ago on climate?
None. In fact, desertification was caused by the change in the inclination of the earth, which caused the northern hemisphere to cool down. In fact that is the reason why the Sahara arose. The northern hemisphere received 7% more energy from the sun, which caused the air currents with water vapor from the Atlantic to go inland. As the temperature and therefore the amount of steam in the Atlantic air decreased, the currents reversed, taking the hot air from Africa towards the sea, causing progressive desertification. So no, it wasn't humanity that did it.
This is an ingenious solution for regeneration of deforested or burnt-down areas. I hope the authorities, federal, state, and local, are applying the lessons in California. The Marin Headlands especially can be reafforested.
@@descorulez Are you eating products that can only be grown in tropical climates and are a cause of deforestation? wow look at that, we can all make snarky comments.
The indigenous people in the Andes Mountains also use fog collectors and have been for some time (centuries), there are also different kinds of natural collectors made out of gardens in what is now Mexico and Guatemala.
funny enough,..i was born in gran canaria,...and live in Chile,.....and its actually here in chile where the locals invented the idea,with the fog sails.... glad to see,they are implementing the Chilean idea in my land......congratulations.
The effect of condensation is naturally happening in a forest. That’s allowing a forest to recycle water and create its own rainfall. We have to plant trees everywhere. The dry lands in Spain were covered with vegetation not to long ago
Condensation requires humid air, so this system cannot be applied to the whole of Spain. The air in the south-east of the Iberian peninsula is quite dry so this system would deliver a limited amount of water.
@@itisabird though, increasing green cover can alter low level humidity (condensation can still occur at night - even in the Sahara(. Just like encroaching desertification it happens around the perimeters (land use and abuse absolutely matters)..
Big fan of trees, but I'm not sold on mass planting of trees. They tried something like that near me and most died. Better to start building in biodiversity and the trees will come naturally. You can even start cutting back young trees to give competitive advantage to a particular tree. Especially where there are many young trees in a small area, just pick a few keepers that are spread out and cut back the rest.
The Romans used to build "dry wells" in critical areas. At night, cool dark air sinks into the dry well, condensed on the stone sides, and dropped as water to the bottom. Given long enough, the well filled up. These were emergency water stores for military use. (shrug) Don't know why that isn't still being done. This above ground moisture collection is basically the same thing.
I didn't knew this was already being used in the canaries, I always look here in my town to the mountain wich is covered regularly with fog, and think how much water could be extracted for agriculture.
I've seen this method before, of collecting the condensation through some type of "mesh material", usually near a mountainous terrain, apparently used in Chile and other places, it should for sure start to be used in some parts of Spain that are currently experiencing "drought" and bush-fires, as the lower rainfall makes it a higher risk for fires. In the example shown in Gran Canaria, they have what can be called a complete water collection, with all the meshes collecting the dew, and then it drips into the pipes or conduits, and are then collected in those 1000 liter tanks, it's a brilliant idea, but the entire system would be costly, with the plumbing, tanks, electrical gauges, transport to collect the tanks, plus any other costs. It is ideal for some situations that face drastic water shortages, while other places a cheaper and easier way of "bringing water and moisture into the environment" can be installed. In some places where they are trying to "regenerate" the forests and trees that once stood, but have been reduced through "bad practices", water shortages, droughts, blights, funguses, diseases, wildfires, soil erosion, introduced pests that ravage the natural landscape, the gradual "deforestation" that has occurred in many places, whether by accident or by design, sometimes some people and some cultures seemingly and willingly destroy the environment either for quick profits, or to make the surrounding lands "undesirable" for people to visit and stay there long-term, they purposely deforest the environment, so that there are no natural resources, there are no places to visit, hang out, go fishing, go hunting, go bush walking, not even any places to sit under a tree and get some shade, there's nothing there that makes it interesting, that is their aim, it is an extremely small mind-set, that thinks by creating a barren landscape, they themselves will then become more powerful, as all natural resources have been decimated, the only resources that are left, are man-made resources, which those responsible for the "environmental cull" hope to be snug as a bug in a rug, in a place that has shade, and they will proclaim themselves "the monopoly of resources" Without an over-explanation about this type of water collection system, I personally think it is perfect, as they say in the doco, the meshes, the "square nets" that collect the water, are effectively mimicking the trees themselves that use a similar method, collecting the water through it's leaves or needles, after water droplets falling onto the ground, which the trees use for watering. The "mesh nets" should be installed, by themselves everywhere that needs some more water, moisture into the atmosphere, into the ground, and the water droplets then water the "planted trees and seedlings", without all the other costs of the water collection, just the "meshes" with the new planted trees, which can afterwards do the job of the meshes. The "ecosystems" of Mountains, and Forests are quite delicate, they are like a "chain" of natural phenomenons, when one part of the cycle, when one link of the chain is broken, the whole ecosystem breaks down, and then you start the "desertification" process, sometimes human intervention is needed to reverse this process, just like human intervention, started the process. Everyone that lives in an area that is prone to droughts, or a drying landscape, should be looking at "horizontal precipitation" - it will bring "vertical vegetation"
I think as long as the water is used for regenerative efforts like those seen here, then crack on. My biggest concern is that everyone jumps on these collection methods where and when they don't need to, or in geographic areas which would definitely benefit from it, but keep the water for themselves/profit. It's screwing over the future in the same way that pollution now is screwing over the climate future. If you suck up all the moisture from the air, you're messing with the hydrological cycle.
@@brymstoner I wondered about this last time I came across this concept of condensation as a way to collect moisture in air. There are some ancient aquaducts found in both South America and in Egypt that people used piles of stones to collect water that would trickle down the inside walls. I wonder theoretically how much water the atmosphere can hold and what level of extraction humans would have to do to really make a difference. Clearly, humans will cause negative impact when doing anything at a large enough scale. Maybe its not about finding one alternative to go all in on, but rather use various methods of water collection so as to not over extract from any single source and disrupt the vulnerable balance.
@@TheGrape1234 the key is regeneration. if it's not done in a regenerative way, which is what makes something truly sustainable, then all we're doing is taking resources. and the planet cannot support this long term. most people look at, for example, lost tribes and think what a backward people; still living in mud huts or have simple ways, etc. simple though their ways may be, they certainly aren't motivated by capitalism and greed when it comes to their resources. the expression "it takes a village" exists for good reason. we'd all, society as a whole, do good to revisit and better understand and appreciate this expression right now more than ever. it's not too late to get the balance back on track. when we all went into the first global lockdown, the planet could breathe again. short-lived though it was, we had a cracking few properly weathered seasons. briefly. then the roads and waterways began repopulating and the pollution began bellowing back into the skies. now it feels like we're putting out more pollution than before the pandemic. what followed and is still happening was a series of environmental catastrophes. floods, wildfires, droughts, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, glaciers receding and altogether disappearing faster than ever. as outlandish as it sounds, we honestly might stand a better chance of moving to space (earth orbit), the moon and/or mars at this point. just to save the planet from dying.
The problem with this system is that it takes water out of the air, and that water is then not available further downwind. That means that you are only moving the desertification downwind. Further, these systems are so efficient at removing water from air that the dry area downwind is much larger and mch dryer, leading to increased and more intense wildfires which burn much more quickly through much larger areas. Not exactly what California needs. Take a look at the video again, and notice how the trees downwind from the collectors are a lighter colour of green, yellowish, or in some cases outright dead, as compared to the trees upwind and to the sides. Really the only solution to climate change is to reduce and then maintain family sizes until our population is greatly reduced. Increasing our population will only lead to worsening problems of desertification and climate change.
This technique is used in Nature by the Kalahary Scarabs to get drinking water. What you are doing is good, in Madeira and Azores Islands there are good laurel forests, but this is to little to what is really needed. And do not forget the fire hazard in those regions. To Spain and Portugal this is just a tiny drop. Whe need much more water.
@@JimNichols Considering this area was affected by human behavior, restoring it to its' original ecosystem. That water was normally captured by tons of trees and kept on the island. And I don't know how much they are "taking" from anywhere else considering it's an island?
@@JimNicholswondered the same thing. Seems a brilliant use for reforestation, as here on the Gran Canary. However, if widely implemented say in CA & all western USA states consumed by wildfires, seems the rest of the nation (and🌎) may receive less natural rainfall bc🚫💧☁️☁️
This seems like it would be so easy and cost effective to implement along the coasts in the USA. Agriculture is such a big consumer of water, and it’d make perfect sense for farmers to implement.
Oh, don't worry, your government plans to destroy the agriculture in any case, so I wouldn't bother with investment. Let the megacorporations take care of it when they finalize the land grab...
A young girl in Africa adopted this method, and solved her families water probs....It proves that setting pipelines isn't the only way to supply hydro in difficult areas...
I know right lol i saw a documentary or video about this being done in south america years ago ill try and find it and link it here . i hate how people try and take credit for others inventions .
This method should be used where ever this is a substantial amount of fog to be captured. It is already being used in many parts of the Central and South America coast where fog regularly comes in every day. It's an ingenious way of capturing water and it doesn't affect ground water or require pumping water from underground. I think it can be one of many solutions to Spain's water crisis. On top of planting many millions of trees as well as other types of conservation. Including reducing the use of water in landscaping, planting less water intensive garden plants in residential areas and hotels. They could also plant trees and shrubs using the Goasis box (look it up on RU-vid). There are many ways of reducing water use and harvesting water that doesn't affect river or ground water. We, as humans, just need to stop being so lazy.
@@b_uppy The Groasis water box should be used to plant the trees in as it saves water and gives the trees a continuous source of water. Also, no need for human intervention to water the trees.
@@soulshadoww55 You can do better with planting pits and mulch, waffle gardens, swales, bioswales, bunds, check dams etc. Additionally mulch adds to natural biological activity by supporting fungi. It can remain there without threat of strangling a tree as it grows larger. Additionally if pioneering trees are used they also add to other plants to ability establish...
@@b_uppy is there any reason you cant do both or even it all at the same time? The regenarative ideas are no secret it is known, but it takes quite alot of effort but i think we both can agree those efforts are well worth it in the long run. These nets imo are the seeds if water that kickstart the rest if the system. Consider that in most places these bets are most needed in dont have trees nor the conditions to support healthy growth. So to tackle the problems in the correct order is crucial. 1 water 2 water retention and as ypu states many great solutions to that 3 improvement of soil or even to add soil if it is completely lacking or introduce cover crops grasses to stabilize hillside 4 trees but this even in this system takes years to reach self sustaining so nets are great and needed for atleast 10-20 years before tree overage does the nets job, but depends on the local conditions of course. No matter what i dont like to see either or thinking. Sadly the economy of the system is what in the end decides what will be done, therefor nets will be done 100 times before regenarative system will be implemented. You probably allready seen/know about this cool water competition in India i link to 1 video but same dude has made a series so check them out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--8nqnOcoLqE.html Here is the competition website www.paanifoundation.in/watercup/ It amazes me how much has been done in such incredible short timespan and how great things are when everyone helps/pitches in to do the work.
@@fridaybot Regenerative is different from permaculture, as the latter has ethics. Additionally the Groasis could later girdle a tree. The Groasis is limited in size whereas a planting pit, swale, etc are can be scaled much larger. Many sites can provide the necessary materials to make them, so you are avoiding extra costs, toting, shipping,, etc. The Groasis actually impairs healthy biological activity as well.
An old Spanish saying: No tree, no water; no water, no tree ......... Forests naturally condense moisture in the air. Photosynthesis and evapotranspiration of plants allow them to cool down ... By lowering their temperature, trees can reach the dew point and condense the humidity in the air, in the morning very early and in the evening, at sunset... This condensation can amount to 3 mm of rain per day during hot weather... In French : Un vieux diction espagnol disait : Pas d'arbre, pas d'eau ; pas d'eau, pas d'arbre ......... Les forêts condensent naturellement l'humidité dans l'air. La photosynthèse et l'évapotranspiration des plantes leurs permet de se refroidir ... En baissant leur température, les arbres arrivent à atteindre le point de rosée et condenser l'humidité de l'air, le matin très tôt et le soir, au coucher du soleil ... Cette condensation peut aller à 3 mm de pluie par jour lors des fortes chaleurs ...
Catching water from fog is anything _but_ "revolutionary new technology." It was used for ages in areas such as Atacama and Namib deserts, and modern installation date to half a century ago. But nice to see it employed here, too.
While people bicker about the why, if etc I love the 'little people' getting on with finding solutions. That guy is awesome and it will be fascinating to see these drought stricken places turn green again. Wow, superb. 💚
We have no idea how this is going to effect the natural cycle of the worlds water system .. clearly the desert is important in regulating this .. hopefully we won’t see this becoming destructive
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way. The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own. Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
Population needs to be in balance with jobs, resources, nature and the environment. Having a bigger population in any country than the country can support makes no sense. Access to food, water, shelter, energy and jobs should guide population levels. The worlds population is still expected to add another billion people to feed, clothe and produce pollution. Humans are crowding out all other species of plants and animals. Education and birth control are key to reducing poverty and hunger. Having a child that you can not provide for yourself is cruel and irresponsible. We need solutions not just sympathy. Endless population growth is not sustainable on a finite planet. Every country needs to "TRY" to be more self sufficient. When there are not enough resources to sustain a population something has to give. Countries need to focus on quality of life for their citizens and not just quantity of life for cheap labor. Why import fossil fuels when wind and solar energy can be produced locally and solar energy can power electric vehicles. We need solutions not just sympathy.
Why is it that it always comes down to birth control? I’ve been a vegetarian or vegan for more than eight years, have downsized to very small house, drive a small car and grow my own food. I could argue that we can sustain an increase in population if people stopped eating so much meat and wasting food, stopped driving huge petrol consuming 4WDs and stopped living in huge houses with multiple lounge rooms that no one needs. But I don’t. It’s so easy to point the finger at someone else. I’ve made the choice to live like this but still I love my friends who have large families. I respect all life, not just the lives of animals but those in the womb. Stop being like Klaus Schwab and giving the cookie cutter resolutions to this problem. Most people who support abortion, birth control and the great reset aren’t interested in changing one iota of their own lives. They just want to control yours.
@@needleinahaystackproductio5718 Population needs to be in balance with available resources. If the population exceeds the capacity of food and water that is available people will starve to death. We need solutions not just sympathy. If you can not provide for yourself you can not provide for a child.
@@HexaDecimus You are absolutely right Jake. I realised something! I am blessed and privileged and I’ve got you to thank for making me realise it. I have a beautiful family, a house and a job. So many things to thank God for! Praise be to Jesus Christ! Thank you so much again and I will keep you in my daily Rosary. May your life be likewise blessed.
There is abundant pure water vapor over the ocean surface. This can be collected by similar methods deployed on floats or rafts. Wind or waves can power pumps to bring Seawater through old refrigerator coils to cool collectors for a boost in efficiency. Thus no desalination is required to produce tons of pure fresh water.
I think more trees and vegetation eventually will collect more moisture. I remember back where I grew as a kid there area of us were more trees, less population and more snow or rain comparable to the next valley where more populated, lesser trees and vegetation and less snowfall or rain.
This system should fill some small artificial lake or pond to improve drought resilience while profiting the whole ecosystem. Not that those ugly plastic container can't be handy but a decent reservoir can give you fish while maintaining the surrounding land humidity level and do pretty much the same job. Let say keep those container for human drinking water.
If you make collector as round matreshka tubes, expandable as tower, plus fabric shoube from steal and it is needed to cold generator from it is possible to have tank underground And pump so you can improve condensation and this system was invented 10 years ago, whatever it can help Portugal, Spain, Kazakhstan and other countries to be less dependent on underground water
Canary Island pines and water The Canary Island pines play an important role in the water input on the Canary Islands. The passing clouds condense on the long needles and then rain down. This is like a light rain shower that can only be seen directly under the pine tree.
Much of Spain's deforestation happened during the WW II when people hewn the forests to sell or heating (survival). Nobody thought about replanting in those days. Today, projects have replanted on mountain sloops and elsewhere with the help of Growasis, which roots plants with only 10% irrigation. A forest takes a man-age to grow, but reports of positive climate change, with rain and snow, are already coming in.
Extracting water from one place and transferring it to another. How is this different from extracting water from creeks/rivers and transferring it to another place as is currently being done on the islands?
It's not. Plus the manufacture of the nets ads carbon to the atmosphere. At the root of our problem is overpopulation. We need to drastically reduce our population (preferably by reducing our reproduction rather than killing each other), or the planet will reduce it for us, possibly to extinction. I don't hold out a lot of hope. I suspect that we are not evolved enough to do it. I suspect that the majority of the population is incapable of understanding what the problems are, and that even those who are, do not have the self control it takes to reproduce only enough to simply replace themselves and no more, not to mention not reproducing less than enough to replace themselves. My life is nearly at its end, so I will not have to suffer through the worst of it. I left no children behind, so I will not have to worry about their futures and the futures of their offspring. I will therefore take my leave of life knowing that I did what I could, and that I left no one to suffer. Still, I feel great sorrow for all the people and animals which will have to experience it.
It's not exciting. It's terrifying. Look closely at the video, and notice how the trees downwind of the collectors are anywhere from a lighter colour than the trees upwind to downright dead. These collectors are very efficient at taking all the water out of the air, leaving none for the plants downwind. This creates larger dry areas, resulting in larger, more intense wildfires, and larger desertification. These systems are not a solution. Rather, the create a much larger problem for someone else downwind. Our population is at the root of the global climate problem. We have pushed our numbers beyond what our planet can handle, and unless we learn to control our population (preferably through much reduced reproduction rather than killing each other), the planet will control our population for us, possibly to extinction. Sadly, I don't think we are evolved enough for most of our population to understand this, and/or to exercise the self-restraint which would be required for this to happen. My life is nearly over, and I left no offspring to experience the horrors which are coming. I have nothing but sorrow in my heart for those who are young, and those who are yet to come. They will have to suffer in horrendous ways which are hard for many of us to imagine.
It´s an amazing project. However, as it´s also stated in the comments, the project is not an original idea. Has been used for generations, with more rustic elements, in different territories. That includes the very Canary Islands, in places like El Hierro, that took the example of it´s own historical-legendary fog-tree, the Garoé. I agree it´s an underused system!
You are just saying something in reverse. The tilt of the earth towards the sun causes climate change in different regions of the earth. Climate change is real, the impact of humans upon climate change is probably minimal.
An important idea for sure, and atmospheric water generators can condense water vapor into water wherever the humidity is above ~40%, the higher the easier. The most important and expensive component is a dehumidifier, and you can build your own - plans available online, or buy one?
glad to see some of these guys putting up trees and green around their water veins. will help hold in some of the moisture and still allow some moisture to reach areas that are now being denied.
interesting fact, the canary islands were at one point known as the flemish islands, flanders did not colonise them as a state but many flemings chose to settle them, those that remained trough the centuries have offcourse been spanified when Spain took them
Honestly a little deceiving. Very positive message, nice introduction, quite a lot of figures… but then no technical details on how the system actually works and on future development.
I think they need to check the facts. 1. What kind of weather situation is more suitable for such project? 2. What is the temperature condition should be to initiate such project? 3. What is the minimum humidity % has to be? There are lot of barriers. If you don't check those facts, you are going to partially and unknowingly damage any economical structure.
They should use the Groasis waterbox for planting seedlings so that they only need to fill up water once at planting, then the box waters the seedling from then on.
The idea of harvesting dog for water was first developed in Lima, Peru decades ago. Be nice if credit had been given. PS: I like leaf of life but I think they overstate the problem
Wonder if they thought of introducing mangroves to their coasts? It may be worth the ecological disruption. It's possible they had mangrove forests before and they were killed off. Mangroves are import in restoring hydrologic cycles. They also need to work on their impervious surfaces and start thinking about bioswales and the like.. It would be good to investigate. Monocultures of laurel trees sounds problematic. Usually plant diversity works better, though pioneer trees are important if the landscape is severely degraded...
@@herrensaar1989 Physical weathering: This is the disintegration of rocks into smaller particles with no alteration in their molecular structure. Air and water are agents of physical weathering. Windblown on rocks, heavy downpour of rain, water waves from the sea can facilitate a gradual fragmentation of rock particles to sediments which eventually become soil. Chemical weathering: In chemical weathering chemical reactions within rocks create changes in their mineral composition. Examples of chemical reactions leading to weathering are hydrolysis, carbonation, oxidation and hydration. • Hydrolysis: hydrolysis occurs as rain water seeps through rocks and the hydrogen ion (H+) in water reacts with metallic ions in rocks resulting in dissolution of rock minerals. • Carbonation: During carbonation carbon dioxide from the air and from living organisms dissolve in water to form carbonic acid. This acidifies water in rocks leading to further chemical reaction with rock minerals. • Oxidation: in oxidation oxygen from the air reacts with iron in rocks to form iron oxides. This reaction creates a rusty brown colouration on rocks. Biological weathering: In this process biological organisms facilitate rock fragmentation. Tree roots and mosses grow or penetrate through rocks and create pore spaces which gradually pull rocks apart. Animals burrow through rocks and create disintegration. Micro organisms like lichen (a symbiotic relationship between fungi and algae) release chemicals which break down rock minerals. Additionally check dams, bunds, swales, bioswales, other rainwater harvesting earthworks and techniques build soil by preventing it washing away. Humus, animal waste also provides growing medium to support plant life. Additionally pioneer trees are exactly what you use in these challenging sites...
