How Speedrunners BROKE Pokemon FireRed with Mr Mime and Farfetch'd 

"ok so you gotta get a level 18 stunfisk, then have it use volt switch 3 times, rename it to "gai7n.13?§", fly to victory road, walk 3 steps left, four steps up, 16 steps right, then get on and off your bike 14 times. After this you press "a, b, L, up, start, R, x and then start again". Then fly to driftveil city, talk to the biker 4 times, open your bag and use tm6, tm31 and the fishing rod. Enter the pokecentre, heal 8 times in a row then give the stunfisk a lagging tail, go to the pc and deposit the stunfisk in box 7, then 3 and then box 9. Finally you can rename the boxes to enter your code and putting the stunfisk back in your party will execute it." It usually goes something like that. A series of playground "bro I know how to catch Mew" instructions but they actually work this time.

I love it when they make the old gamefaqs hoaxes to catch Mew or play as Luigi look reasonable

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Honestly I still love the "how does he do that" tas for pokemon yellow. It always blows my mind.

It's definitely impressive, I've always loved all speed runs. Both any% and 100% are INCREDIBLY impressive, just for different reasons. Any% usually shows great technical knowledge of the game and usually nearly pixel AND frame perfect executions multiple times. 100% shows great knowledge of the game and some serious mental stamina, blowing through an entire frickin game in one sitting, beating something in like 3 hours that took me a month lol. That being said, I think my favorite speed run trick, recently anyway, was zipping in Elden Ring. It just looked so ridiculous lmao, just shake your weapon around and holy fuck now we're under leyndell or someshit lmao

Was waiting for someone to comment on them

little one is my favorite, super sneaky

Reasonable

I always knew leeks were dangerous but I didn't think they could collapse space and time.

I'm surprised the glitch hasn't been found earlier.

It probably exists in real life too, we just haven't figured out the exact order of incredibly arbitrary and abstract steps needed to do it

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look hard enough and you can probably find ACE in a lot of games

This game's 20th anniversary is this January! :) (in Japan)

I do know that, in Gen 4, Mail has protection against being removed from one of your Pokémon via Trick, at least, because some people use Mail on Blissey to make sure it isn't ruined by a Trick Choice Scarf in comp (pretty off-meta pick, but it exists). I imagine that it's an item that has full protection from being removed from you since Gen 4 and people just kinda assumed it's also the case in Gen 3, when it clearly isn't.

Interesting! I thought that knocking off a mail in gen 3 and 4 simply would make it inactive like other items? I know that starting in gen 5, knock off *actually* removes the item. I’m guessing that in gen 5+, since knock off forcibly removes the item, mail is prevented from being knocked off to prevent things like this from happening? Interestingly, Bulbapedia says that recycle will always fail when trying to get back an item lost through knock off- even in current gens.

Bulbapedia also had/has the fossil versions of Aerodactyl and Kabutops wrong. Makes you wonder what else is wrong on there we all assume is actually correct.

Well, but did you help editing that from bulbapedia? Everybody can do it if that's what you want to say. Interesting video btw

You still saving up for the transition?

Are there any event Pokémon in this game to warp to? Dev rooms, even?

@@Quroe_ i would imagine there is a code you could execute for these, its just a matter of finding them. Trial and error

​@@Neville133But can it run Crysis?

I would LOVE IT if Event Pokémon could be gotten this way, though I know that's its own code being injected/called.

​@@Quroe_Birth Island Deoxys and Navel Island Ho-oh/Lugia come to mind

This is just getting started, and may have implications in catch'em all routes as well

It's like Pomeg Glitch, but far less of a hassle to do in FRLG

I'd like to get the event items to Birth Island and Navel Rock

So if ace gets found to do the events that would be sick as hell

so basically, you glitch mr mime into a missingno. i mean, it is a remake of gen 1...

Cousin of the Mew glitch in Gen 1 :D

It's quite meta and appropriate if you ask me, Bill found out how to turn Pokemon into data with the PC, and the player has found out how to turn themselves into data and have it sent to the hall of fame

So, Bill was really trying to find ACE all along when he was fused with his Nidoran, wich makes it even funnier that the Setup includes the Visit at Bill :D

Mails got mixed up

That's the work of a dangerous criminal, it's just a matter of time until Cacturne catches up to Mr. Mime.

It will probably get optimized faster than we would otherwise think. Games with speedruns that are less than two hours tend to get much faster optimization bc they're that much more accessible

rng manip

Early Poliwag Hypnosis for catching strats?

Using tools to force the right squirtle makes it not count for a speedrun doesn't it? Pretty lame if you can use cheat tools to make a speedrun.

@@LunchMeatTrump You still have to time the A press based on the audio cues to choose your starter. The manip software isn't doing that for you. The game runs at 60 fps so it's still a very difficult thing to pull off in real time.

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This is what I’m throwing my hat in for. Get me my Mew and Lugia on my legit cart and I will be happy.

It’s already possible :)

Anyone figure out how to do this? Beat LeafGreen again a few weeks ago and I'd love to get those event mon.

Bulbasaur gang

Not #squirtlesquad ?

Yeah this is back when yout had to actually get a cable or the weird connector thing to trade pokemon, so why not just say what you want to say with your mouth words

You've just given me a great line for my next pokemon video

@@Abyssoft You can't! That way lies madness!

I get your point, but I think it's different in that "Lowering his Pokemon's HP to 0" is the point of battling. The point of using a Repel is to fend off wild Pokemon. Using it to manipulate what appears might be an effect of using the item (meaning, it's intentionally programmed that way), but it's a trick in that a lot of people playing the game casually likely wouldn't consider it as a method of boosting certain odds, but anyone who progresses through the game at all will lower mons to 0 health

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it's because once the game code gets decompiled the community starts looking for memory vulnerabilities instead of in-game exploits, and reading the source code always happens years later if ever on mainstream games

Just look at Ocarina of Time!

Personally, I liked it. Not because I was unfamiliar with the game, but just because I like his speaking voice haha

i agree but disagree. I mean, this is a video about speedrunning, so I think its thematic enough to be included. but the ivysaur really dropped in 3 hits anyways. its so minor compared to a lot of things, but its pretty educational and at the end of the day worth including i think

I thought it was a nice addition I think too many speedrunning videos omit the idea behind a strategy like why Mr Mime is viable. I certainly didn't know about the substitute/AI choices. But I did think the explanation of STAB is probably unnecessary but not a big deal. Honestly I don't usually hear someone explain STAB so it's nice that it's here.

ACE is possible in HGSS, but not independently. Using the Wonder Card sharing features in Diamond and Pearl you can use their ACE to craft custom Wonder Card payloads for PtHGSS

@@SirToastyToes welp. That means it’s (maybe) only a matter of time before an independent way is discovered

With video proof too 😩 we live in one of the decent timelines for sure

I thought about editing the eyes on one of them to make it look evil.

Your guess is correct, training Mime and Farf up would take a lot of time

It feels like getting leaf green for christmas was last week to me

The emerald glitch is almost the same except in that case the memory is mapped to tilesets so you can't do as much with it as you can here where it's named to PC boxes; LuckyTyphlosion could probably clarify this better than I cam however

@@Abyssoft You make plenty of sense, no worries! Love how far the envelope is being pushed...mail pun aside, it makes you wonder what other aspects of a double battle can be exploited!

To clarify further, the tile corruption glitch is in Ruby/Sapphire only, due to how the memory is structured differently. In both Emerald and FRLG, this glitch corrupts box data, which is what allows for the ACE setup.

@@BluMagma7 recycle doesn't seem to be available in emerald (or R/S) without trading or metronome (unless i'm missing something). it has really poor distribution in gen 3.

@@DerToasti That is correct, people have been theory-crafting a TAS that uses metronome to call recycle, but it's not going to be very useful in RTA speedruns unless there's some RNG manipulation that develops. Fortunately for R/S, you just need Thief, but Thief/Covet don't work on mail in Emerald or FRLG.

on r/s equiping more than 6 mail slots just corrupts the tileset (in addition to allowing duplicating items). in fr/lg/emerald it corrupts the boxes allowing for pokemon corruption and ace. the only way to cause the glitch on fr/lg/emerald is using that oversight when using recycle and knock off (they fixed thief). the problem on emerald is that there is no pokemon with recycle available in the entire game so you still have to do glitzer popping. or try to get lucky with metronome (about a 1/350 chance to hit recycle).

@@DerToasti Yeah true, the R/S data layout allows for a different kind of corruption than this FRLG one. I just didn't expect the same core idea to be used elsewhere for ACE. lmao, metronome speedrun rng manip strats

well it's really the knockoff and recycle which cause this glitch and these two pokemon happened to be a good fit for that. the retromail just happened to have a lot of memory allocation.

This is barely a week old but that's likely the next thing being worked on.

@@Abyssoft pokemerrp already found a way to warp to the event islands >:) Sadly mew is actually emerald exclusive, bummer. And i think the setup so far is english language exclusive.

Not sure, I'm not familiar with that glitch

Next week most likely!

They edit his information when writing box names, there's not really more to it than that

They stop in to Celadon to pick it up before getting Spearow

What I love about firered and leafgreen is they are the easiest probably to train in. One because they are gba pokemon games running at 60fps so everything is fast and smooth and two because the vs seeker and those trainers on the sevii islands with level 50s pokemon help you train for the second league battle.

It should theoretically work, but the exact setup used in vanilla won't work due to the differences in the code. You'd need different box names and EV spreads on the mon you're corrupting most likely.

17 years ago!

It's insane how time flies huh? I've had my copy since 2007. Over half my lifespan has gone by since then.

They set up a payload that calls the hall of fame function, then have the corrupted part of mr mimes species execute that function

As for specific code, like the bits, you'd have to ask Luckytyphlosion or someone else in the gen 1-3 pokemon discord

This is how they've beaten Dragon Quest 3 in under 8 minutes, I have a video on that as well

so, i think you maybe are being a little sarcastic here? apologies if that's not the case. just wanted to clarify, that no secondary program was attached to the game. if you're referring to the rng manipulation strats, the programs sit on a different device and dont interact with the game or the memory of your handheld in any way. it just logically determines the results of their rng equation, then tells you those results. it's up to you to use that information in the game to accurately execute the trick. the timer used doesnt even run on the handheld. it runs externally, you're 'aid' in that case is literally just a computer doing math then beeping at you when you should press a. you still need to be able actually execute what its telling you to do

Probably the best joke in the video. As if charmander was actually a good choice.

based Bulbasaur enjoyer

Go check out Machwing or ananan on Twitch, they're both doing runs and are linked in the description

@@Abyssoftthank you

Yes bug once you know something like this exists its weird not to use it as you just waste time at that point. It makes the run less accesable for sure but I think let people do it. Doesnt hurt anyone.

It's funny you said code injection to manipulate RNG in a run about code injection credits warp - but I'm pretty sure that they're using an external timer program for the frame window. There's plenty of speedruns where metronomes or other timing devices are used. Like, if it were 'banned', people could cheat by having an analog timer off camera, or any other hard/impossible to detect ways. Much better for the spirit of competition to just allow using a timer and let the performance through the rest of the hour and a half run be the decider. Categories that are 'reset 500 times just to have the possibility of a run' are just sadism. Thing is that you still have to actually nail the frame window manually. And if you pause to check that you got the right squirtle, you're losing time compared to trusting in your execution. There's quite a few games that involve rng manip timing from console on.

@@dotgone both are completely different methods: one uses a third party software, another uses a glitch in game which can be executed on real hardware. One is a TAS (IMO) another is a standard Speedrun (maybe in a new category). I'm not against the usage of tools, it's great to learn and practice, I really like to see some TAS runs, but again, in a TAS category. Speedrun in a high level is sadic, just see how much grind Super Mario Bros do just to save some millisecond, or Super Mario 64 which try the "carpetless" move after 1 hour mark.

​​@@FagnerLuanI get what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree on this particular case. Carpetless and other major frame perfect inputs are definitely a major test of skill. You can look at smb where countless tas only techniques became normal and mandatory due to both the length of the game and the optimization involved. Some games end up dead categories if tricks are too brutal to pull off, and someone manages to, because you're talking tens of thousands of hours to have a chance to compete, so some tricks get voted out (also things like fps dependent tricks favoring high end hardware like the 200fps cap in doom eternal) In this video, abyss says that players use a timer with an audio cue to help them hit the correct timing. It isn't automated by the software and still requires an input and is at the start of the game. My argument is that if you want to ban using a timer, there's no way to enforce that because people can literally have a physical timer coded with a raspberry pi or something in the room with them. So it's just cleaner to let everyone use a timer openly, they still have to execute the input. I think seeing if someone can clutch out a high skill move while on WR pace is exciting. having to spend dozens or hundreds of attempts just to get a run started is a waste of time and boring AF for viewers and streamers get paid for being entertaining so... It's just better for the life of the category.

to clarify, theres no code injection with rng manipulation. the code injection part is when they write the box names. the combined names of the boxes are the code thats being executed. the rng manip at the start for squirtle is literally just looking at how the game works, and logically determining when the right frame is using math. all the programs used for this are just either doing math for you, or giving you a timer to help press a on the right frame. they dont interact at all with the game's code or system memory. they even run on a separate device, so your handheld is literally just running as normal.

Emerald has had known weirdness for about 10 years now, based around using the Pomeg Berry to underflow a Pokemon's current HP stat, which enables memory corruption.

@@alexpotts6520 oh right, i forgot about that one But I meant like, breaking Emerald with mail