How Steven Moffat Redefined The Master | Video Essay 

Rea without witness. Without reward.

Actually it's possible she let him feel the blade she would use. She seemed to look down at it to let him know.

The Doctor still wouldn't have agreed with Missy killing her previous incarnation even if it was The Master.

Yeah, the fact that the Doctor didn't see that Missy really did change makes that whole thing just gut wrenching. Although inevitably a new version of the Master will return someday ... and I guess we will have to see how much of this story line they decide to address, because they could easily just go back to the Master being evil again

@@LionFoxProductions but not without hope :)

@@morgothable Not really. Much like the earlier incarnations of the Doctor in Day of the Doctor, The Two Doctors, The Five Doctors, and The Three Doctors, their time-streams are out of sync, meaning that the Simm Master has no memory of the events of that story.

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@@OrangeKyle91 Actually, the Simm Master does remember one thing. That he needs to always carry around a spare dematerialisation circuit.

I was honestly never under the impression that Missy was faking, but that she possibly backslid in in World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls when she meets Simm

Ikr, I was thinking that's cool and all, her playing nice, but this is the master, she'll flip the switch...right? I was NOT prepared for that episode. Season ten was really well structured regarding missy's subplot

For me, it just works as a way to differentiate this specific incarnation from Simm and others. With the Doctor, you can just use a number. Although the obvious text of the name change is that the Master was amused by her gender change and headlong embraced all the the implications of being female in this life ... while the Doctor barely seems to care, notice, or even comment on it that much. Not that we are likely to see Missy interact with 13, but it would be funny to see Missy specifically react to them both being female

I also like the name change because it reflects her character change. Master makes a time Lord who thinks he's better than everyone else whereas missy represents her more morally ambiguous change in character. She could have kept master or mistress but I think it's significant that it's changed

You're so right !! And Chibnall's "work" so desastrous !...

Princess of Fireflies exactly! but remember when people would shit on him before? I still stand with him till this day tho

Agreed.

I do think that I will wait until the end of Season 12 to talk about how the Master is portrayed in the current season.

Robert Smith I mean whoever was going to bring back the Master they were never really going to keep Missy’s arc, or Gomez.

@@samt3412 ... Or even after... Or never !

@@EditedAF987 why not? isn't it just bad writing to ignore three seasons of character development, especially since it was so recent

WhiteWolf99 The showrunners usually disregard their predecessors work. I mean Moffat erased the memory of the entire RTD era from the perspective of the people on Earth and brought back Gallifrey after all of that establishment that RTD did. If a show runner will want to do something they will do it regardless of what they’re predecessors did. That’s why this show has always had a wonky canon

Doctor: is a timelord Chibnall: uno reverse card

John Simms master regenerates into Sacha Dhawan master who regenerates into Missy, you can’t change my mind

@@darrylcole3671 There is actually an audio story in which Missy regenerates into another Time Lady (the Lumiat) who discards the name of the Master completely. She has a device which allows her to control her regeneration and choose a personality that preserves her newfound good nature. The Lumiat is eventually killed and undergoes an uncontrolled regeneration into "Sacha" and reclaims the identity of the Master after discovering the Timeless Child legend and swearing to destroy Galifrey. Personally I think this was a poor way of handling the character as it really cheapens the development Missy went through.

He's playing 4d chess with Trump, not to mention 6d uno.

@@jacobe1074 agreed

Noice theory m8

I think your right I also thing when missy and sims die he just regenerates into the new master and missy becomes a mere paradox

and It took 10 and 11 to give the war doctor back his name because 11 dared to do what he and 10 would not; changing a time locked event.

I think Missy is the end of the masters story. She is the final incarnation. Sacha dhawan is after simm and before missy.

Could be. But I think Simm said that he converts into her. I instead think that Sacha Dhawan is before Jacobi. It will fit with how Missy says, that she's know the doctor since he was a little girl

Yh same x

I came in with rtd and still loved most of moffet

Nobody Likes Chibnall, although admittedly the way he had managed to unite both fans Russel T. Davis and Steven Moffat's respective works to agree on something is very impressive, unfortunately for him, that something is how utterly garbage his writing is and how he has effectively ruined Doctor Who with The Timeless Children.

@@edricklawrenceong7776 I'm quite sure that average fans opinion on Moffat skyrocketed after S11 came out, and did even more so after The Timeless Children. Who has never tasted bitter, doesn't know what sweet is like.

ШКОЛЬНИК-ЛЕПРЕКОН to be fair to Moffat, he’s not a bad writer, this is the same man who wrote, “Silence in the Library”, “The Empty Child”, “Blink”, “The Day of the Doctor”, and “The Girl in the Fireplace”. Steven Moffat is an excellent writer, he’s just a crap showrunner.

I think they chose to call her Missy because unlike ‘Doctor’ ‘Master’ is masculine so they’d have to call her Mistress which doesn’t have very child friendly connotations.

It was also to prevent spoilers.

She flat out says that Missy is short of The Mistress.

Her next regeneration in the audio and comics (never appeared on TV) is a purely selfless good incarnation and was called the lumiat who went around doing what the doctor did to get his attention before getting killed by a early version of missy before series 8 I beliebe

Like wise...

Big Finish have done a Missy box set, if you're fine with audio stories then it's well worth a listen (along with the War Master stuff, as Jacobi is arguably one of the best incarnations) On the subject of Chibnall, he's more of a character person than anything, I feel like if he writes a story with a new incarnation of the Master they won't necessarily be a 1 dimensional character, however the story itself could go either way as he has a record of inconsistency with stories, some of his stories are actually quite good while others are simply average or bad.

Missy destroyed the character. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! You think its good that Moffat pandered to people like Claudia Boleyn? That he made a character who had been in it since the 70s into a punchline? If you defend Missy you can't be a DW fan. Its as simple as that.

Yikes

@@josephwilson282 Roger Delgado played basically a pantomime villain who you knew would get defeated yet showed up every time for a whole season, Ainley wasn't much better, the Roberts master was a joke, and the Simm master was extremely over the top, to say that Missy ruined the character is ridiculous when she was one of the first TV incarnations to really give anything new to the role that didn't come across as a joke. Also r/gatekeeping, please try to claim I'm not a real fan when I've spent hundreds of pounds on big finish audio stories, seen a majority of the classic series and all of the new series, have used the Big Finish lost stories range to complete the sixth doctors run as the TV show screwed him over etc.

@@ErinTheFennec Yeah a real fan trashes the classic era Masters as being rubbish to beef up one agenda driven incarnation. Your post is so full of shit I don't know where to begin. Missy was a joke for the following reason. 1/ She threw out all of the Masters character. Even if you do think Missy was great, LOL, why not make her a new character? Why lard her onto the old one and fuck up his story? We can never have the Master again thanks to Missy. The Master in Classic Who had three motivations. To get revenge on the Doctor, to conquer the universe because he believed under his rule it would be a better place, and to prolong his own life. He always operated in the following ways. He was manipulative, he would twist people's minds, he would also place himself in a position of power and use that against the Doctor, take advantage of people's prejudices, and tensions, and he would use hypnosis to take people over. All of these things made him a fascinating character. It was great watching him play on people's weaknesses, turn good people like Trenchard and Gaia into monsters etc. Now all of that is gone. HIs lust for power clearly doesn't matter anymore, his hatred of the Doctor has been undermined, as Missy was borderline in love with him. The character has been wrecked both in the past and the future. You can't have the Master in it again, but even in past stories like the Deadly Assassin you can't look at him without laughing. When he goes on about hating the Doctor so much you laugh. Now he looks like a repressed homosexual who can't get over the fact that he wants to shag Tom Baker, or a jilted ex lover. 2/ Missy should anger anyone who is a fan because she only came about because of pandering. Basically feminists slandered Steven Moffat as a sexist, a racist, a homopghobe, they even accused him of promoting rape in his scripts. So he made the Master into a woman to pander to them. That is comparable to in the 70s, when the conservative nutjob Mary Whitehouse trashed the show for being too violent and so the Beeb caved and fired Philip Hinchcliff. The BBC has a history of caving to political fanatics. Sadly however people (not saying you as I don't want to get this personal. I'm pissed at Missy, but obviously this is just a tv show.) Still people are so spineless when it comes to calling out left wing fanatics. Its easy to call out right wingers like Mary Whitehouse. She was homophobic, she was old, and stupid. Lefties however are often pretty young girls or hipster guys who seem more reasonable and likable on the surface, but they are just as bad. 3/ She was fucking awful all around anyway. I don't get this "se brought more to the role" IN WHAT WAY! You are telling me Ainley, Roberts and Delgado were too over the top compared to Missy! LMAO you don't think Missy was not over the top? With her constant changing accents, hammy delivery of lines like "I'VE NOT TURNED GEEEEEEED" "I'M DUCKTA DUCKTA HOOO" The only way Roberts and Ainley could have been as over the top is if they were both homoerotic Disney characters. Maybe they could have been gay versions of Gus the lovable Chimney Sweep? "BLIMEY DOCTOR I'M A DOUBLE HARD GEEZER AND I WANTS A SHAG! CHIM CHIM CHIMMEROO" Also in terms of being one note are you serious? Missy kills people because she is BANNANA. She is also by far the least threatening and lame ass villain in the shows history. In her first story she is beaten by a no thanks. She gives the Doctor a Cyber army with no fail safe in her first story. In her second she does what exactly? Bum around for a bit and shoot people for no reason? In her third series she has to be rescued by the Doctor. Fucking come down for a villain that the Doctor used to try and kill all the time, but who always escaped and used to gloat to the Doctor about it! Then her ending where the Master kills himself is completely out of character for the villain who was a total coward and would never sacrifice his life. All Missy did in 4 years was kill an asthmatic fangirl. Even then that didn't take as Osgood has become a bigger character since then. Also she only was able to kill Osgoof because she suddenly gained teleportation powers, and the guards and the Doctor for some reason did nothing! Missy is a joke of a character. She represents the destruction of an iconic, interesting and threatening villain solely to pander to people who ruined the producers reputation. THAT should anger you if you are a fan. If not well then you are saying that you are happy to let the show be sold out to a pushy political ideology.

I think that inevitable tbh

I thought the new Master O was good a little psychotic but good

Maxemal Yeah, it was good. But it also goes entirely against what Moffat did. That’s the main problem

@@gooper3644 Not really, we don’t know where Dhawan’s Master fits so he could very well be before Missy. I’ve been headcanoning that she’s the Master’s last incarnation this whole time so her development still stands 🤷🏻‍♀️

PinkPerfectPeach Yeah I’d like to think so, but I don’t think you should need a headcanon to enjoy it. I wish they addressed it somehow, like maybe have the doctor say “I’d thought you changed”. The doctor may have missed her sacrifice, but he knew she had at least improved

Can't wait for the "Chibnall wasn't that bad" videos five years from now.

That's probably why DW showrunners and actors always stick around for a little while longer. The audience's opinion of them is constantly changing, just look at Moffat and Capaldi.

nah because we were entitled Moffat from the get go was the best and we expected that every episode and series. we didnt appreciate him when he was here and when he left esp with how awful chibby chips is we are all the more realising how good he was

Guy McPerson | I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Honestly, Moffat did have good stuff. But a lot of his later episodes also had a lot of useless fluff in them which could have been cut out. Looks like he was excellent at grand arcs but not so great for episode by episode plots

No. If you listen once more, you'll notice he says : "This is not about winning". And I really don't think he's faking or lying !...

philippe bernard He isn’t saying the doctor lied, he’s saying the doctor knew he would fail. Personally though, I disagree. I think the doctor knew Simm couldn’t be convinced and gave the speech entirely to Missy

Funny thing is, he does change their mind. The master is Missy's past, even if he won't remember hearing the speech until it actually happens he is still going to subconsciouly think about it. The doctor basically gave them 2 lives to accept his offer, and in the end she does, without witness and without reward

What a lot of cshit. Missy was the worst character in the shows history. What are you grateful for? For them turning a proper villain into a horny Disney character. Moffat should apologise for destroying the Master as a character.

@@josephwilson282 Chill out mate xD

@@josephwilson282 As always, Moffat is great with ideas, but shit in execution. I loved the story lines Missy had, but I *hated* the lines, the acting, the whole feel of it.

@@martinmaguire-music6692 I agree, Moffat's work as a writer was so strong, yet his period as Script Editor has been unwatchably bad. I was thrilled to hear that he was leaving, though would be happy to see him write one-off tales of the Doctor. As for Missy - I remain unconvinced by her as the Master; same with the 90s raver Master - I don't see any relation between them and the Classic Masters.

@@fellowcitizen If by 90s raver master you mean John Simm the how is he not like the classic Masters? Because he's crazier? He still has the same goal of taking over the world, uses disguises, hypnotised people and allied himself with other races. Same MO, same motive, same relationship with the Doctor- same character.

I think a good way to go if the Master turns up again would to have them fully commit to pursing power and going back to their old ways BECAUSE of Missy's death. That they took it as a sign that they can't change, and aren't meant to. You'd have to dedicate a whole episode to that but I feel it could work.

@@Ben-vf5gk Yeah, that would work if you really focused on the tragedy of the situation - how the Master was *almost* a good person but fell at the last hurdle. Another option would be if they dedicated an episode to the Master pursuing a false, twisted version of goodness. In the same way that the Cybermen think they're doing good by converting people into Cybermen - that sort of evil which thinks it's good so is all the more appalling. What we can't do, but which probably will happen, is immediately revert to an Anthony Ainley/John Simm style Master as if Missy's character development never took place. I really hope this isn't the case though.

@@theoodthebadandtheugly3577 While I do love Simm and Ainsley in Survival I agree. I would also like to see the hypnosis element brought back. I had this idea of the Master starting a cult. What do you think?

@Colin Forever That's kinda what gave me the idea but a much darker take. Think Jonestown.

@@theoodthebadandtheugly3577 Before Ainley died, I believe it was the intention that Ainley's Master would die in Pertwee's fanale becoming good, so this fits rather nicely with the original intention of the writers. However, it would be interesting if the Master was salvaged and took over the cybermen in my opinion, especially if he/she was the one who ousted Simm's Master through timey-wimey stuff.

I feel the same!

CRAG 11’s interior

YOU SKIPPED MY BOY. YOU SKIPPED 9!

Can't believe you skipped 9. Not cool, my dude. He's only on for 1 series as well, not exactly the longest or most attention requiring amount of time. Your loss, I suppose.

Someone who gets me

Missy was NOT the best antagonist dumbass!

Crossing into your own timeline creates a paradox wherein only the oldest incarnation retains memories of the event. This is why the War Doctor and the 10th Doctor didn't retain memories of saving Gallifrey. That being said, we definitely haven't seen the end of the Master (assuming the show continues). There is even an already existing rational to allow for the Master's return. 12 didn't actually defeat the Cybermen, only stalled them to allow Nardole and the humans to escape. The Cybermen were shown to be capable of taking a recently dead person and restoring them to life. I mean, Bill had a massive hole straight through her chest, and they fixed her and then turned her into a Cyberman. 12 changed the Cyberman definition of humanity to include 2 hearts. Missy died right by the elevators, just like Bill did. Say it with me now. Cybermaster.

Dear God, and the man who wrote Cyberwoman is now running the show.

@@elliotmay Christ, why did you have to remind me of that. I'd successfully repressed it up until now.

@@DrLipkin I'd be really disappointed if The Master became a cyber-controller or whatever, it'd just be another instance of the Cybermen playing second fiddle to another bad guy. Last time we saw the Cybermen *truly* be the full-focus antagonists was Nightmare in Silver, and god I really hope we don't get to see those walking, talking, assimilating Mary Sues ever again (World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls don't count IMO because the stage is being shared by the Master.)

Good point. It always seemed random to me that Missy would give the Doctor Clara's number but she did say that she's been "up and down" the Doctor's timeline, so she must have seen how much Clara meant to the Doctor during that time. Plus, she might have noticed the other Clara's running around. It still pisses me off that the Doctor was completely oblivious to that until his 12th lifetime although John Hurt at least had the excuse of being Time Locked into the Time War so Clara's echoes couldn't reach him.

I'd happily ditch the song

@@FullFatVideos No don't do that the song was such a nice touch.

I think you've hit on the REAL reason. All that plotting and character development stuff was just so they could work in that song. :)

@@daverhoden445 It turns out Michelle Gomez was actually just singing it between takes and didn't realise it would actually make the final cut... (But yes - I would love if that were the real reason 😂)

@@Laura-hw3cu I can totally imagine that happening xD

Yes I loved a lot of Moffat’s work on Doctor Who (he has nothing on RTD obviously but still good) and it is practically art compared to Chibnall.

@@theanarchistocelot1620 the episodes RTD gets the biggest prais for mostly is what boggles me, because those are mostly written and directed by Moffat.

I love loads of Moffitts work however towards the end of his tenure I think his stories started to slip a bit

Because his highs are quite high, but his lows are pretty deep and he fell too often.

Because Sherlock shat the bed and there’s a lot of crossover fans.

It was a mix of amazing and cringeworthy. Heaven Sent - probably the best Dr Who ep ever. Hell Bent - meh...

Blue’s Truths Podcast Not many people would agree but it is my favourite run of the modern series and had some good stories like Heaven Sent, World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls and Mummy on the Orient Express. Also Peter Capaldi’s Doctor is my favourite being one of the best actors to be the doctor , he is like an amalgamation of the classic doctors like John Pertwee, Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy and Peter Davison. Also his run felt the most doctor who in the modern series, it had the most nostalgia and callbacks of the modern series which is lacking a lot, especially in Jodie Whitaker’s era which pretends anything before Jodie Whitaker never happened except for silly references to her meeting dead famous people who we could easily imagine her being in her being the 13 incarnation when she did that even though she must have been a younger incarnation at the time. Like when she gave Graham sunglasses she said she got them from Pythagoras, like Pythagoras would have modern plastic sunglasses, and she had them in her pockets before she got her tardis back, she got a new coat and she said that her pockets were empty when she fell from a train. The only explanation would be that Peter Capaldi has woman’s modern sunglasses from Pythagoras since World Enough and Time or Jodie Whitaker is an obsessive lier. It would have made sense if she gave Graham her sonic sunglasses as the doctor did carry those but as we know Chris Chibnall hates anything that ever came before his run.

I’m stunned by this lol it’s definitely not

@@SymphonicWords Do you hate Peter Capaldi.

TechRefreshed1000 No, I love him especially from The Thick of It but I found him sadly to be one of the most underserved by the writing along with Matt Smith. Just not a good time under Moffat.

Exactly! That's such a good way to put it.

More Valeyard to come, in fact, in Time War audio CDs...

@@Ben-vf5gk So good I didn't understand a single thing !

Hot fuckin take right there

Wibbly-Wobbly. Timey-whimey.

Maybe not. Sacha could be from before Missy. We never see Simm regenerate.

@@LordHeadcheez that's what I think aswell

He won't be. It wouldn't make any sense

E it kinda does. Either he turned evil again because being good got him killed or he snapped after he learned this mysterious secret about the timelords, I definitely can’t imagine any of the other pre Missy Masters doing something like that

@@EditedAF987 i feel like i do after the last weeks episode. he might be ruth-doctors' master and not our master, if that makes sense? they don't have to be some parallel universe doctor/master, but they both must be a part of the timeless child arc. maybe they are the product of timelords' experiments? doppelgangers? that way masters identity crisis would make sense

But in terms of what it represents it makes more sense for the being known as "The Master" to continue to call themselves the master.

The word "Doctress/Doctoress" was used for a female doctor up until the early 20th century, after which it became largely obsolete.

@@FullFatVideos They probably should have gone with Mistress after the whole "who is this crazy Mary Poppins cosplayer" mystery was resolved at the end of series 8.

the master is male is why, not female.

@@pastorbri And then he turned female.

Jodies nurse was dead on arrival.

That is a hot take 👀

Yup!

No she isn’t dumbass

Michael McGrath Alright mate, no need to throw your toys out of the pram when someone else has a differing opinion.

​@@J_Tevo He's right though. The idea of Missy, who is completely contrary to everything the Master is meant to be, being a better take on the character than Roger Delgado's Master is frankly a slap in the face to Delgado's legacy as an actor. I have nothing against Michelle Gomez herself, she just did the best she could with the material she was given, but the material she was given was *garbage* and you're an idiot for lapping it up.

LOL !!!

I'd argue that Jacobi makes a better Master than Gomez but I have to agree that Delgado is the incarnation that everyone else needs to live up to.

@@voteDC yeah but he only plays the master for a very short time (I haven't heard his big finish yet) he plays the proffesser in most of his one appearance

@@lazy1119 There was more menace in his one line of "I.AM.THE.MASTER!" than in the entirety of Simm and Gomez' time as the character. Why they felt the need to make the Master a comedy character is something I will never understand. If you get the chance check out the Big Finish stuff with Jacobi, it really does put the other modern Masters to shame.

but the master is male.

master is randomly a 1 dimensional purely evil villain

I started watching DW when "Terror of the Autons" first aired, so grew up with Delgado's Master. He's still No 1 in my affections, but Michelle Gomez is comfortably in second place.

She’s got nothing on Delgado dumbass

Michael McGrath Was the insult really necessary?

@@Geek3824 Yes. People who think Missy is even comparable to the original Master ought to be fucking sterilized.

Hank J. Wimbleton Imagine being this worked up over a fictional character....

Just erase Chibnall's era first. They managed to drag John Barrowman back for that train wreck.

@@tomnorton4277 Hell yes... or at least create something coherent out of it... the idea of past lives he/she doesn't remember was pretty good but really needed better direction - something like Davies, Moffat & Gaiman working together could have made gold but what we got was a mess which gave the companions more presence in the show than the Doctor.

Michelle Gomez tended to ham it up in her first series. The first hint of subtlety I saw from her was in her expression when she realised that she, Clara and the Doctor had landed on Skaro.

I'm not very far into the Jodie arc, but so far she's fine. She's kinda like 10. I don't feel like she's bad at all. Feels pretty natural to me. Just finished the episode with the race on the deadly planet where she finds the Tardis again.

You aren’t wrong, but there is a pretty big difference between gender swapping a secondary, arguable tertiary character and the main character of the show. Not entirely comparable

The only reference to the classic series that I think Moffat messed up was the Great Intelligence. I liked Richard E Grant's portrayal but the Intelligence sees revenge as so petty and insignificant in comparison to knowledge that only lesser beings obsess over it. There's no way it would have thrown itself into the Doctor's time stream.

Michael McGrath Someone’s opinion differs from mine? R E T A R D

@@MichaelM28 falsehood. He may be your favorite, just like Simm is mine, but I would argue they aren't the best, because the title "best" subjective.

a fake master maybe

pastor brian oh bugger off

It's honestly a little heartwarming that he has a little smile on his face when he realizes who she is. Granted, the horror sets in pretty quickly after that, but the fact that that was his first reaction says a lot.

The Joker comparison occurred to me as well, Moffat really loved pushing Missy as that sort of character and tried to bullshit us into thinking that's always what the Master is like, when he isn't (in D&D terms, the Master is very much Lawful Evil whereas the Joker is Chaotic Evil). When Missy was introduced with the undead Cybermen in Series 8, it seemed like she was trying to corrupt the Doctor into becoming like the Joker so she could be his Harley Quinn. This is, of course, utterly contrary to how the Master usually behaves and since no explanation was given for the change in MO--nobody even seemed to pick up on it being strange--it came off as monumentally bad writing.

@@WaspCameraInSpringfield I don't mind Masters being more overtly crazy, or like causing chaotic- John Simm is one of my favourite versions (barring End of Time) but their motivation of wanting to conquer the universe should be constant. To me, the Master's character can be summed up by Delgado yelling "we could be Gods." But now I know this Missy is the Master equivalent of the War Doctor I'm at peace with it.

@@Ben-vf5gk I mean, we seem to virtually be in agreement here, at least on the first part. Simm's Master had noticeably different mannerisms from Delgado's Master but their goal and core character motivations were ultimately the same. Missy was noticeably and drastically different from the get-go, and without the show offering any explanation as to why, it came off as monumentally bad writing. The War Doctor being all, well, War Doctor-y is self-explanatory due to the Time War. Missy is more like if the Doctor regenerated and then suddenly decided "I'm the Valeyard now" or something like that with no further thought put into it.

@@WaspCameraInSpringfield That still bothers me but by S10 once she's been through the Doctor's treatment inside the vault I bought the change. It also helped that in S10 she was written as more conflicted and remorseful rather than River Song MK2 like in S8.

@@Ben-vf5gk I was too put off by the lack of explanation in the first place (which there needed to be, since she was still different before Series 10) to really bother with Missy after Witch's Familiar. The whole thing came off as Moffat boldly declaring he doesn't give a shit about continuity, consistency or basic logic because he *knows* the show will make him money regardless, so I kind of just stopped watching the modern show and only recently got back into Who via the classic series. You can't beat a bit of UNIT era Pertwee. ;)

Triggerpigking The actor who plays the new master said he’s directly after Missy regeneration wise. And Chris confirmed it as well in the official Doctor Who Magazine that was released after the opening episode of this last season. The new master still has a lot of Missy’s mannerisms when he reveals himself if people paid attention. All the Doctors/Masters still have part of their previous selves in the beginning after their regeneration until they find their footing in their new bodies and their regeneration has fully settled. 10 still showed parts of 9 in his first official episode when he finally woke up, 11 showed signs of 10 in his first episode same with 12 etc... even in the classic Who episodes of the new Doctor showed signs of their previous self to begin with the same with the Master/Missy even the War Doctor was showing signs of 9 even though they saved everyone in TDOTD because he forgets what they’d just done, which matched up perfectly with 9’s behaviour during his season because of him thinking what he’d done to two race’s wiping them out he was very bitter, angry and sad just like the War Doctor was until they saved the planet and took his name back in the end.

Finally, someone says that!

12 Episodes without the Master Chibnall Middle Fingered a Great Arc!!!

I just feel like Chibnall's writing of the Doctor and Whittaker's performance are just painfully generic. It did anyone seriously have fun writing those scripts or were they just like "insert quirk here"? Whittaker's version of the Doctor has zero character arc what-so-ever

PikaCinema. She made a sonic screwdriver in a workshop on earth. Even if she had a little alien technology from the bounty hunter. Why should that small amount of tech work for her purposes? Why would you be able to remodel that alien tech with standard mechanical workshop equipment? It's convenient, bad writing. As is making a teleportation device to find a teleportation device. Or relying on an obscure point made in a past episode. I call her the Doctress because she is not the Doctor. Primarily because of her significant deviations from both character and capability of the Doctor. As regards the Christmas Invasion. Did the Doctor survive death within 15 hours of regeneration? Plunging from space to earth would kill you by burning through the atmosphere. And then the impact would kill you again. So unless the Doctress is suddenly immortal during the magical 15 hour post regeneration period. They are dead.

@PikaCinemainjury includes death? Can you send me the quote that 'literally' states a Time Lord can survive death within 15 hours of regeneration? And that the recovery from death is instant? It was an attempted 'hell yeah' moment that fell flat due to terrible writing. If she's the Doctor she's dead. She isn't so she's the Doctress.

If the shoe fits... "Definition of doctress : a woman in some cultures who is believed to have magic powers and to be able to cure illness" - www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctress

My thought is he did go good but went to gallifrey to recover, he found out the secret and lost his mind all over again.

You must be at least 90 years old, maybe 100 ?!... I'm sixty and when I see most of those actors of the 50's/60's, I just feel like laughing during the "dramatic scenes"... So, you must be about 90, no ? 89 ?...

Moffat was a Really Great Writer!!!

Why? It’s the second worst era in new who, only better than Jodie Shittaker

Michael McGrath Yeah, well, that’s just like... your opinion, man.

*cough, cough* Sixth Doctor, Doctor Who: The Movie *cough, cough*

I don’t even know how after watching the series you can come to such a different conclusion.

@@SevenofSevensProd Kid, watch some classic episodes with Roger Delgado, they'll open your eyes to how bad of a writing decision Missy truly was.

@MetaPlanet What made her characterization interesting?

It wouldnt be the first time.

Amazing for some, terrible for others. It seems like Season 11 isn't going well. People complain mostly about Chibnail's writing than about Jodie's performance, but still some people can't stand her. I haven't watched 13th series yet, so no idea, if she's good or not.

That "Sit down and talk" speech was the one that finally made me buy Peter Capaldi as the Doctor. He was a VERY slow burn for me. John Hurt convinced me that he was the Doctor in a single episode while Capaldi took the larger part of 2 seasons.