Boros was originally the "final boss" of an old ONE story called Sun Man/Taiyo Man. Apparently he wrote himself into a wall with coming up with a feasible way for Taiyo Man to beat him, or something like that. So he brought Boros to OPM instead to be beaten by an even more OP character of his. Taiyo Man himself is also referenced in Mob Psycho (just his design) when Toichiro Suzuki went really crazy and his head caught on "fire", the part where he hits Mob into the sewers I believe it was, he then comes bursting through the ceiling and basically stands on it, and looks just like Taiyo Man for the rest of their fight, only evil.
@@Ch4oTiK dude thats awesome I had no Idea, Boros is technically a cameo character of all things, and the fact he had him fight saitama because his other hero had no way to beat him just freakin hilarious
I think the similarities between Genos and Boros panels in the last chapter indicate that Saitama definitely remembers Boros. Just C'mon guys, what kind of a man doesn't remember the villian who sent him to the moon?
Monster Garous is limited. Cosmic Garou, on the other hand, is what continues to grow. If left to his own devices, he could eventually get strong enough to beat Boros.
@@CosmicDominator some scretches of it have been released and his 4th form looks like 3rd form freeza, without the long head and with 4 arms that have blades on them. Or at least that' s how I remember it being, been a while since I saw them.
@@CosmicDominator nah thet would be like: tail furr lore and a bad series that pepole would worship till their last breath and call cannon despite actual cannon being made by author and not being their show
Yeah the guy that made that video made a yt short where hes now saying boros vs tatsumaki isnt close in favor of boros like bro make it make sense that dudes a pretty biased and untrustworthy scaler.
Funny thing is Boros literally could have been a good guy too, if he didn't spend all of his energy trying to beat Saitama. He's the kind of guy to train his ass off to get stronger than the strongest person he knows, or to get a really really close and get good fight out of someone he thinks he's relatively even with.
LOL just watched/listened to it last week. That was pretty damn good man ngl. I do have some gripes about how orochi seemingly randomly adapts to match boros’s strength, but then when psykos fuses with orochi’s corpse all that power is lost and psyrochi is about the same as she always was?
@@zacharyhsieh9358 The Orochi fight was entirely remade after the series had already concluded because the original fight I had made was very bland and short. I wanted to give Orochi some real menace and weight. As for why Psyrochi wasn't buffed, I just chalk it up to Orochi loosing his power after being ran through by Boros and loosing his entire evolved body.
Well, except that he is absolutely evil? We know literally nothing about his past, but a person who has probably laid waste to many other worlds while trying to satisfy his own aspirations can hardly be redeemed. At best he would have gone into hiding to get stronger, but he would have never become a hero. Someone like Suiryu or Garou could become a heroic character, even though they weren't exactly good people prior. We don't see many bad qualities for Boros, but thats because he respected Saitama, however he probably has serious character issues we just didn't get to see :D
You could also compare meteoric burst boros initial lunging punch to saitama’s death punch back when he sparred with genos the first time. (Boros punch covered more then half is ship which is a portion over the city, i briefly remember this so someone can fact check me)
To be honest (I’m a Boros fan) I always thought that Boros was equal to Gargoyle Garou, but now I have a doubt haha (amazing video tho, keep up the good work)
Was waiting for this video after your stream, especially the placement of armored Boros, i was under the assumption he was around darkshine levels of power.
@@ryansmith21035 And I already explained to another comment why I won't be responding. I might make an entire video on why I don't respond at some point, but the short answer is: debating is pretty pointless in my view and it would eat up a lot of time, which I could otherwise spend productively working on something instead of arguing with people.
When it comes to scaling it generally seems to go like this, Armored Boros is multicontinental to moon, Released Boros is an easy Planetary, and Meteoric Burst is Large Planet to Star
You can tell he put a lot of thought into this by how he was predicting the possible arguments that could arise and debunking them right away. Keep it up bro this felt like one of most accurate power scaling of Boros I’ve ever come across!
On the speed part, about Garou outspeeding Saitama, while he is fast enough to keep up with a casual saitama's attacks, that's most likely due to his martial arts intuition. Meanwhile Boros was just full on charging at Saitama with direct punches
First of all great video! I believe that you have definitely made some good points regarding Boros' power. However regarding Saitama getting hurt I believe that there are some things that indicate that Boros and Garou didn't actually damage Saitama in any way. First let's agree on some facts: 1. MB Boros is considerably stronger than Released Boros 2. Serious Punch is way way way stronger than any of MB Boros' attacks 3. Getting him to bleed is enough to make Saitama excited as we saw in his dream fight against the subterraneans. If we take these facts into consideration then Released Boros scratching Saitama doesn't make much sense. If he actually managed to scratch Saitama then MB Boros' combo should have at least made Saitama bleed as much as he did in his dream or more. However later we see no signs of injury on him and he didn't get excited, saying it was almost a fight. Additionally if Saitama was actually scratched by Released Boros then his arm should have gotten moderately/seriously injured when his and Cosmic Garou's serious punches collided since even a single serious punch is leagues above even MB Boros' attacks. Moreover when you punch something you need to be durable enough to tank the opposite force that is exerted to your body as a reaction to your punch. If you aren't durable enough then you will get injured. So if Saitama was really damaged by Boros or Garou then any normal punch he throws that is stronger than their attacks would injure his hand slightly but a serious punch would cause considerable damage to his hand and arm. However that is not the case since even after his and Cosmic Garou's serious punches collided his hand was unharmed. Other possible explanations for some of the things that might indicate that Saitama was damaged: 1. The "He received damage" was something Boros said to hype himself up. 2. The smudge under Saitama's nose was dirt or that red radioactive rain instead of blood. So I think that although Boros could definitely beat anyone that scales under Cosmic Garou he isn't strong enough to actually damage Saitama. But of course that's just my opinion. And as someone whose favorite OPM villain is Boros I am happy he is getting the attention he deserves.
@@JakubRycek-oe8me Indeed it's not a character line, it's a quote in one of the covers of the chapters that showed his fight with Saitama. I just think the quote could be what Boros was thinking at that moment to hype himself up instead of a statement by ONE or Murata but that's just speculation on my part
I disagree, everything points to Released Boros scratching Saitama, Monster Garou has less AP than Released Boros so it makes sense that monster garou couldn't scratch him, but Released Boros was just enough
@@TheHandofDestiny Then how do you explain all the other points I made about Saitama not taking any damage from attacks significantly stronger than Released Boros' attacks, including Saitama's own punches?
@@aidonpor8211 The video already explains it, it's already explained that saitama's punches against Garou were less powerful than the ones he used against Boros, Released Boros also has shown to hit harder than some of saitama's lower level normal punches, it has been proven and is a fact that Saitama did take damage, against Boros, how did you miss this, as the points the video makes easily lead to all the answers you seek and the conclusions we've reached, rewatch the video and actually try to understand as you have utterly and completely failed at that, it's really not hard dude, everything you have said has been disproven already, you're just unwilling to believe or see that, also Saitama did feel his own punches, of course it did nothing since it's saitama but he felt and when hit with the same attack he did suffer scratches, it is a hard fact that Saitama did get scratched by Released Boros and did take damage, that's why there's scratches, also there are very few attacks in the OPM verse that have more AP than Released Boros' attacks, Released Boros' AP is an easy Planetary which puts his AP above the ultimate moves of some of the more powerful monsters, and we see that Planetary AP attacks can indeed scratch a casual and normal Saitama, at least the saitama before the Cosmic Garou fight, Saitama after the Cosmic Garou fight more than likely wouldn't even be moved by Planetary AP attacks anymore, But Released Boros is at a level to where he can scratch a casual Saitama, Saitama before cosmic garou of course, and in Meteoric Burst is at a level to where Saitama considers it almost a real fight, there are key words that I'm sure you're gonna miss so I'll emphasize them for you here at the end, key words being normal and casual
Saitama acted accordingly to the situation between both Garou and Boros and held back accordingly for both. There's nothing suggesting that the consecutive normal punches Saitama hit monster Garou with weren't as strong as the ones he obliterated Boros with. Why was being a Chad bro and trying to make Boros feel special on his death bed while getting his final wish basically.
There is something suggesting Saitama did hold back on Garou, he didn't want to kill him. Saitama just didn't see him as a monster that had to be put down like Boros was straight up a threat to all of Humanity and atleast the moment Saitama had to resort to the Serious punch he knew this for sure
I do think he was holding back on Garou because he saw him as a human being, against Boros when he hit him with consecutive punches was the moment he even got more serious thn before
to be fair, the only reason why boros attack could only destroy the surface of the earth is because he lost almost all of his energy to saitama, like really, his last form consumed a large chunk of his power, so he used the remaining energy as the last attack
Cover panels aren't usually meant to convey new information, especially not a plot point as huge as Saitama actually being hurt for the first time. If anything it's likely meant to be a part of Boros' boasting, where he's become overconfident because of all the "punishment" Saitama has been taking while barely fighting back. But no damage is actually shown, and it's revealed that Saitama was still not taking him seriously. All just part of the cop-out that ONE and Murata love to do where they make you think someone can actually challenge Saitama. Saitama saying that he promised the kid he wouldn't get scratched isn't saying that he has been scratched. Garou is bragging about how he can copy Saitama's strength and how Saitama doesn't have a chance, so Saitama could essentially be saying in either a serious or mocking tone "Wow maybe you'll scratch me after all". Not that a scratch even inherently means actual damage. I can scratch my arm right now with my nail, it doesn't mean I'm hurt. Also just because he mentioned his outfit once doesn't mean he couldn't be referred to it again. His clothes getting more and more torn up would definitely hurt the spotless image of himself that he wanted to give Tareo. And that smudge under his nose was there before he was hit with Saitama mode, so no it's not a bloody nose. The debris in the anime during Boros' combo are clearly not blood, they look nothing like blood, and you don't even have the excuse of it being black and white for why it isn't red. It's just fragments meant to emphasize hard impacts, maybe pieces from Boros. A similar kind of thing happened with Garou's shell throwing fragments some of the times when he hits Saitama. When characters are damaged at all it's shown very obviously. Blood stays on their face or drips from their mouth, and it's always drawn as a liquid instead of only fragments. The only time this has been seen with Saitama is from his dream fight and flashbacks to before he removed his limiter.
Boros:dominator of the universe Cosmic Garou: knows the flow of all things in the universe(think about it, garou only matched saitama because he copied saitam's own strength) but i guess you can say garou can just copy boros
That is garou , getting boost from god and it is not his own power If you want to compare cosmic fear garou to boros , you technically should compare him to boros with boost from god
I would like to point out that Boros was holding back in both Released and Meteoric burst form. Why? You can watch the fight between them, Released Boros fights Saitama with ONE ARM and Shows off his regen and then IMMEDIATELY goes into MB. Then, when Saitama comes back he says He makes me WANT TO GO ALL OUT, Implying, that he wasn't going all out when he send him to the flipping moon. Boros is a freaking monster bro. The ChadAlien. The Bored Alien 🗿
He even said that Saitama is able to withstand his true form, and him saying he wants to go all out doesn't imply he was holding back. Its just a line that shows how furious he is with Saitama. Boros was trying hard in both of his forms, and even admitted in the end, this wasn't a battle :D
@@thebeyonder8814 Fighting with one arm when not even in his most powerful state, what does that matter? He later reveals his true power and gives everything he has to send Saitama flying to the moon. He explains why he resorted to using Meteoric Burst as well, thats his trump card he uses when he has no other options. Listen, you even contradicted yourself in your own comment. You say Boros was holding back even in MB form, when he literally goes "all out" according even to you, and still doesn't do anything to Saitama after he gets back on Earth. But even the anime kind of contradicts it, as he's gasping for air prior to Saitama jumping back from the moon, during his monologue. You don't have to unreasonably worship Boros' character just because you find him cool :D
This video is amazing! I never thought that Released Boros could possibly be planetary, but your explanation definitely convinced me! Definitely also cleared up some other things, too! I'll make sure to send this video to people concerning Boros!
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495o orochi beats meteoric burst boros? The guy who saitama punched like he was fighting deep sea king and the conbu monsters in terms of relevance? I didn’t know orochi would solo the entire S class aside from blast with no difficulty despite being weaker than full power tatsumaki. I dont think you watched the 42 minute video that you commented on explaining why you’re wrong lmao
@@SatorisYT alright yeah after watching this masterpiece, literally the only thing i think differently would be me thinking the cross verse stuff is more like Released = large planetary Meteoric burst = dwarf star CSRC = star And i dont have proof in calcs for this, just that how much higher he is than any non cosmic garou makes me think it tier eclipses. Other than that, I agree with everything
@@shwingcrimson8202I'm fine with that, especially with the whole scratching Saitama thing, I feel like it's definitely fair to have Boros at those levels 👌
good video, but you have to have someone disagree. I think im the 1st one in the comments. Saitama is so strong that he can treat his opponents any way he wants. He treated them diffirently because of who they were. This doesnt show their power lvl. Boros was meant to be more serious while against garou saitama never viewed him as a villian ( until he became Awakened which was the point ). If he REALLY wanted he could still treat Awakened garou like a kid. He has 0 limiter at the end of the day. Lets not forget that. He literally 0 punched him. Like what ???? Also the "this is a real fight" trans has been debunked . It said something along the lines of " I guess things are getting more serious " because he got shot to the moon. I dont wanna nitpick panels but if we wanna squeeze it as much as possible then garous fight is on a higher scale, we have multiple parallels of released boros/perfected-buffed garou panels and generally garous performance is way more impressive especially Winged Garou whose attack affected the earth and brought the attention of Blast. This attack for me puts the nail to the coffin aka Winged G > MB ( even tho they are generally on the same tier ). The damage cover dialog doesnt even exist in the volume part so its not canon especially after 165-169. Now its blatanly obvious that ONLY Saitama can damage Saitama ( AG vs S fight ), unless normal punches are way above star level which didnt do shit to him ( garou copies the power lvls he has already WITNESSED ). So this would make Winged garou multi solar + at least. Ofc i dont believe that. Its just that Saitamas own power is built diffirent, its like magic lol... So id say GENERALLY ( manga only ) : armored boros ( max ) =< conscious monster garou ( against ps ) perfected fist =< released boros =< buffed perfected MB Boros =< Winged Garou. W/O CSRC its just < This is where Ones statement stops -> garou = boros . Their Natural power/limits are around the same tier and then garou becomes Awakened which puts Gods stock/hype on the line as well, so i just cant see it even with the buff of star lvl boros. So the MB punch similarity cant be applied here, it was more like showing that yes this is garous final form like borosses back then when he did that. Its implied that there are cosmic fights happening on a whole new league. No Normal being can compare without cosmic powers... Its all about the Limits of ones body. Even if MB Boros can PUSH past his limits, given power by God is like breaking through many tiers of limits. God made it after all and its implied that he has 0 limiter like Saitama.
I always expected a lot of people to disagree, I'm actually surprised at how long it took for someone to disagree lol. I though that the moment I said Boros did anything to Saitama, 95% of the fan base would leave. With that being said, I never intended to debate anyone on the topic either because, quite frankly, I've been there and basically had half a year of my life a little messed up by my willingness to argue with people over things like this (long story for a comment). I've just grown to accept that everyone has their own views and opinions. So I'll just say I do think the points You made are valid, but I don't think that makes my points invalid. We have different views on the series and we could sit here and argue, but I really don't want to to be honest. I think it would be best to agree to disagree (:
IK, its a series of drawing panels with dialog. My speech may give some minor "agressive" vibes, its just me being hyped. Its not invalid (except 1-2 tiny bits that are objective, the moon statement and the damage). I am just very confident about where things are going (which can be brought into such topics i guess)
@@SatorisYT Well considering the fact that in the manga it clearly states that Saitama's power only grows during combat and or with intense emotions. He is not like 100 times stronger than Boros or anything like that, he's able to reach that point yes, but characters like Boros and cosmic fear Garou are definitely relative to Saitama in power up until Saitama becomes serious, in which case Saitama out grows them in power to the point where they can no longer contend. So yes I do agree with your video, I feel like most of the fanbase just think that Saitama is untouchable by default which is not true.
many people say he only took 5 punches but actually he took 100s of 1000s or maybe millions of punches, saitama's move says "consecutive normal punch" ofc he got obliterated but he did not die from it infact he did not die by hands of saitama but by his own attack, even if that was becoz of S.punch HE STILL DID NOT DIE INSTANTLY MY MAN BOROS WAS A TRUE BEAST!
I feel like Blast is always overestimated. If you really consider every little thing like that, then also consider he visibly struggled with elder centipede, which makes no sense but well, I don't even think the author is thinking that hard about power scaling. I think Blast and Boros are probably close in power, only because I always wanted to believe that the being that was a match for Boros that the seer prophetized, was probably Blast. It's not really a proof, but that's what I think, until we see more of Blast's capabilities.
That he took damage thingy is actually just Boros' thoughts. He thought he damaged him. He did not. He later surprised him with a much stronger punch and Saitama wasn't damaged. So it doesnt make sence
Overall a well made video. However, a lot of liberties were taken with removed context or extreme exaggeration (and fairly, you called out most of these instances). My biggest gripe is the clear bait of "He Took Damage". You and I both know this is bait from ONE and Murata as Saitama would recall these instances of being times he almost got what he wanted. However, even when Saitama has stated he might have gotten what he wants, we realize he doesnt even understand his own strength or durability. At the end of both fights the opponents clearly state that there was no chance of victory and even then that Saitama wasnt going all out. So if you want to argue Boros or even Garou damaged Saitama, thats countered the moment we learned even if thats true, Saitama wasnt even going all out. If you really look at these fights side by side, theyre almost the exact same. The difference being that Garou has the potential to grow stronger, going from destroying buildings (he was above building level but im not doing a power scaling thread rn) to one shotting a mountain, to nearly pushing through the Earth. Boros only way to attain stats at this level is to literally sacrifice his wellbeing and drain his stamina. So its not really accurate to compare the two, as the tone of the fights just make one seem weaker than the other.
The main problem with comparing monster Garou and Boros mostly comes from the way they are written. Boros is a generic shonen villain, very powerful, but its obvious that was their only intention with him, which is a bit of a waste of his character, but I digress. In contrast, Garou is the typical character children would come up while imagining themselves as superheroes, someone who can just adapt to literally anything and become stronger. Because of this, no matter what kind of adversary a character like this would face, it will eventually win in every scenario where it doesn't instantly get stat-checked. So with monster Garou and Boros being around the same level in terms of power, Garou is just more powerful because of his adaptation ability. And because Boros can't just stat-check Garou instantly, he will lose every single time, as his opponent will almost cartoonishly adapt to anything. Even if Boros brings Garou to the brink of defeat, he will just grow stronger, and potentially break his limiter completely.
Saitama seems to have 3 overall tiers of punch power- 1) Genuinely casual: This is the one you see Saitama use against opponents like base garou or other human thugs. It’s basically no more than just casually moving his hand into someone. 2) Casual effort: This seems to be the punches Saitama uses on people he thinks might actually be able to fight him. It’s not a serious punch by any means, but it’s purposefully thrown with the intent to maim/kill, just with not much effort. 3) Serious: Saitama is actively putting effort into the task of ending your life. If memory recalls we see this TWICE, and once was against Boros. Considering he had put all energy into the Collapsing Star still survived even if briefly, is enough for me to say he’s definitely above any version of Garou except cosmic
@@SatorisYT No problem! Keep up the great vids!, I do believe that full power orochi would beat armored boros in a fight, and I dont think that metric boros could one hit gargoyle/ third form garou but would eventually win with his speed and ap
Ayyy bro thanks for making this. I am currentlu wkeking on a mini block lego (super small lego pieces) for my cousins and it is rough and complicated. Needed your content. Amazing as always! ❤
to further back up that boros's collapsing star roaring canon can destroy a star boros wanted to hit saitama not the planet he just said what would happen after it made contact it would "kill" saitama and destory the planet and notice how saitama came first hes the first target the earth is just there
Saying the Roaring Cannon is a star buster is ignoring what it means to be a star buster. An attack of that level doesn't need to hit the planet to destroy it. If the Roaring Cannon was star level, the atmosphere would be blown away and ignite just by launching the attack while on the planet. Hell, Saitama dispersing a star buster attack with a punch would've sent enough energy scattering across the planet that would destroy everything. To go from planet buster to star buster is a MASSIVE jump. If you can bust a star, you can destroy hundreds of thousands of planets with one attack. This isn't a simple increase. Boros's attack likely wasn't even a planet buster based ON WHAT WE SEE. It probably would've destroyed the surface or part of the surface not unlike Psychorochi did.
The "he took damage" part in chapter 36 is just a mistranslation,the real translation is "boros true strength"if you don't believe me search it,saying saitama took damagefrom him is really bullsh*t,he didn't even fight boros seriously(it also means he's not fighting boros,more like saitama toying boros),you really think saitama got hurt by him,bruhh🗿 Cosmic garou can't even damage saitama,and cosmic garou beyond neg diff annihilates boros(boros only caps at star level) Its isn't about boros at all,its all about you downplaying saitama in terms of durability
Boros' true strength is the tittle of the chapter, not the text on the cover. Literally look at the scans I showed in the video. Boros' true strength is at the top of the panel, the text saying Saitama took damage is on the side.
@@SatorisYT if you're gonna show boros strength in your video don't downplay a character that can obliterate him in an instant in terms of feats not statements (statement sometimes doesn't prove anything,so use feats).
When you remember that Boros at the same time he was fighting saitama was powering his whole spaceship thanks to the power ball / reaction core and also the ship used his energy from a long 20 year travel then you realize boros power should have been greater than it was portrayed in media. Also, is likely Boros stopped training cause of his boredoom just imagine if that talented beast trained for those 20 years, destroyed his limiter or got monsterification process... Boros was nerfed since the start, not able to take on saitama even in full restored power but with much potential still to unleash.
People miss read cosmic garou . The only and only reason garou matched siatama was because he straight up copied his strength if he hadn’t he would probably be as powerful as borus max or orrochi
Something I've thought about, the whole "Normal Punch", "Consecutive Normal Punch", "Serious Punch", thing could simply just be a name fallacy. A normal punch isn't a description of the power of the punch, it's descriptive of the technique used to throw the punch; a "Normal Punch" is a punching technique used to achieve a specific intended purpose and not necessarily a lower effort attack than say "Consecutive Normal Punches" or even a "Serious Punch", though evidence shows that it generally will be less destructive in comparison to a "Serious Punch". Saitama throwing a "Serious Punch" at Boros' Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon could be answered by saying Boros' attack was so strong that Saitama needed to throw a stronger punch than usual, or it could be explained by saying that the "Serious Punch" was simply the right tool for the job. The "Serious Punch" could be relative to a "Normal Punch" in terms of how hard Saitama is punching but he utilizes other techniques as well when doing it which make it generally more destructive in comparison. "Serious Punch" is described as being on another "dimension", perhaps a "Normal Punch" WOULD have been strong enough to repel the Roaring Cannon but it would NOT be able to interact with the attack dimensionally so he had to throw a "Serious Punch". He used the "Serious Punch" because of the nature of the attack that he was countering rather than because of it's strength, he needed to manipulate space/time/spacetime/some other dimension in order to halt the Roaring Cannon. This also somewhat ties into Saitama's eventual Reversal of Causality, setting the precedent for Saitama/Saitama level beings manipulating natural universal concepts all the way back to Boros. Similarly "Consecutive Normal Punches" isn't necessarily equal to multiple "Normal Punch" attacks, it's simply consecutive punches that are not affecting space/time/spacetime/whatever dimension that a "Serious Punch" would be able to affect. This explains how a "Normal Punch" could exceed "Consecutive Normal Punches", the different "Punches" are not necessarily linear in progression they're all used for specific purposes.
Saitama can't actually understand how overpowered he is, becaue of this he doesn't understand anything about space or time manipulation either. He can kick away portals, and we've seen him travel back in time, but he doesn't understand any of these concepts. He can just do it, mostly for comical scenes, but to also because he is unnaturally powerful. A "serious punch" is just a punch he does when he gets serious, because then Saitama just stops messing around, therefore he uses a larger part of his true strength. Thats all there is to it, Saitama is extremely strong, and that power can manifest in different ways. But "serious punch" is just an extremely powerful human punch, so strong it has other side effects
@@tamas9554 I understand how that is the general consensus and probably what is intended, but that doesn’t logically align with how the attacks are shown to work in the show. There are inconsistencies where enemies survive a serious punch but are later finished with a Norma punch, which shouldn’t make sense given what would seem to be that serious punch is like solar system level if you SUPER low ball and normal punch was like meteor level iirc, from saving the city that one time. That’s a DRASTIC level of difference, it’d be like surviving a tank shooting you in the chest and then dying to nerf gun. The only way I see to reconcile this, if we do not just hand wave it as “they didn’t think about that”, is that the punches are not named in order to differentiate their power, but they’re named in order to differentiate their utility. Something like how a Kamehaha isn’t the same thing as a Galick Gun, despite them both being beam attacks, only you can’t really see the difference in Saitama’s attacks; you only see the difference in their effects.
@@Nezxmi Where did that even happen in the manga? I know in the show there are no examples of a serious punch not killing something, but I don't know about any battles regarding the manga either. Its not like I actually read the entire thing, but its weird I've never even heard of it :D
This validates what I was thinking where both villains are in a tier where damaging saitama is possible. The only difference is boros is a pure powerhouse that loses while garou has ultimate hax. They both just show that your typical tropes WILL NOT WORK
Well, not in his current state at least :D Although we don't actually know who was the strongest enemy Saitama faced prior to Boros, but if we think about it, this might be an actual plothole. In the fight with Cosmic Garou, its stated Saitama's power grows exponentially, and that this only happens when he is in a though situation. That should mean he only gets to a certain power level after an equal fight. But shouldn't this mean that if he already outmatched both Boros and monster Garou, he had to already fight an opponent stronger than them? Or else how would he grow to be so powerful by just oneshotting inferior opponents? Even Cosmic Fear Mode Garou was only able to come equal terms because he literally copied his already existing power. What I'm getting at is, its weird we don't know what was Saitama's *true* last battle, one where he actually bled or was seriously challenged, where he got to his current power level. Or at least I don't believe he can grow by stomping weaker foes
@@tamas9554 He reports history pretty clearly. He fought a crab guy and struggled for a victory. Then he trained for 3 years. He didn't have to improve with Boros. Hell, he didn't even need to throw more than one serious punch, but with Garou, he had to throw many serious punches and even required improvement. Considering, Garou was throwing Saitama's own power against Saitama, it makes sense. I don't think there's some other mysterious foe from Saitama's history. It's not a plot hole.
@@Alassandros You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Saitama had to get to his current power level some way. Breaking his limiter doesn't mean he gets extremely strong instantly, it only means he can grow infinitely. After a while however, even dragon level monsters became too easy for him, and clearly Boros & Garou are above that level. However, Saitama is even higher than them, by a lot. To get there, he would have had to challenge himself more and more. Imagine it this way: You have to train harder to become stronger, his training rutine would have stopped being effective with time. After a while, Saitama would just stop gaining power from monsters, since they don't challenge him in any way. One monster had to be so powerful, Saitama got to his current level fighting him. The first time Saitama started to grow after a long time, was in his fight with Cosmic Fear Garou. However as we all know that power increase went away when he traveled back in time. The thing is we don't know about any monster that can come close to Boros and Garou, not even from the past. But there has to be an opponent who was so powerful, it boosted Saitama to a power level which was actually stronger than Cosmic Garou
@@tamas9554 I think you're putting something in that doesn't need to be in there. Saitama explained his ascent. He worked out and after 3 years, he became extremely strong. He didn't get stronger until fighting Garou. That's the known arc and all that we should assume. Just because Saitama got stronger during his fight against Garou, doesn't mean that's how he got strong to begin with. Something else happened along the way, but Saitama would remember a fight. It's likely he got his power by some unknown benefactor or just simply broke his limiter.
@@Alassandros But thats the point, after a while, even in real life, the same training just stops being effective. Same with fighting monsters, after a while you stop gaining power, because you just defeat them instantly. Garou got stronger every time he was pushed to the brink of death, and Saitama grows similarly. An opponent has to be a worthy challenge, or else he just stomps them. I don't know where did you get that I said he only got strong when fighting Garou. No, I'm saying he had to face an enemy similar to/more powerful than monster Garou and Boros. Thats the only way he could have gotten so strong, because thats how his accelerated growth works in-universe, as explained by Garou during their fight. Its also entirely possible he just doesn't remember the fight anymore, we know his memory is pretty bad. What do you mean "It's likely he got his power by some unknown benefactor or just simply broke his limiter"? Did you not read what I wrote about his limiter breaking? Breaking your limiter in OPM doesn't mean you instantly get powerful, it means you unlock the ability to grow infinitely. But to continue growing, you have to face harder and harder challenges
I'm really happy that someone have the same idea with me in regards of the simulation audio book, I've debunked like dozens of people who tries to use that to support their claim of boros does not scale to current characters
Why do people try to compare characters using physical calculations? It's pretty obvious authors don't calculate the stuff their characters do in order to maintain perfect power levels, it's pointless.
Because its a way for people to debate who wins in cross verse battles that’s fair. Cross verse scaling has no relevance aside from debating fights that will realistically never happen, but atleast to me, it is still interesting to discuss
Looking at the intention and just base logic should be enough if people are that curious, but this video doesn't have enough insight to either of these, mostly because of the creator's clear bias towards Boros :/
I don't think saitama was jumpin away. Boros crushed saitama in this pillar, in the anime he crushed him. And I can't see saitama dodging this also in this panel.
In the manga he dodges. You can see the bottom of his cape and his boots at the top of the panel. The boots are smeared heavily, but the cape is pretty clear. Plus in both the anime and manga, Saitama appears a few meters above Boros in the next scene, which wouldn't make sense if he was smashed into the Pillar, he would be next to Boros in that case.
@@SatorisYT You are right, I see it also. I think he jumped also away in the anime, because I see this manga panel . I was sure he is crushed, I'm thinking what is he talking ? Maybe something else, but showing this picture hahaha. But they make it really hard to see.
dude can u imagine if god offered boros some power during that fight when he was dying and boros took it now that would be some next level stuff that i think saitama might be able to feel atleast hurt him a little
Still don't think Saitama took damage in his fight with Boros. Especially from Released Boros. If Saitama had blood being flung from his body from MB Boros attacks, we would've seen blood dripping from his mouth or nose or skin that has split on the eyebrow or something. He never showed any injury, so the thought that it's blood doesn't make much sense. But I will say I do like the video. Very well done. I just don't think anything so far as done anything to Saitama. Maybe that whole Terra 2 Saitama thing I saw earlier has something but I'm not sure
What do you think would happen if boros (what if boros turned good au) was transported to star wars during the time the death star 1 was still around or being built?
I haven't actually watched Star Wars 😅 I am planning to sometime though. And Darth Vader is my favorite character already lol. Would be quite hype to see Boros meet him.
my headcannon is that vaccine man was the strongest monster in the entire series and he only one punched him because thought he'd be a challenge so he hit him extra hard. I also feel like saitamas punch was not intended to kill Boros, maybe defeat him but not kill him, saitama obviously had WORDS for the guy.
My stance is that Boros stomps all forms of Garou up to when he fights Saitama, at which point they fight relatively evenly with Boros coming out on top due to his regeneration. Cosmic Fear Garou definitely beats Boros though, as painful as that is to say
The VGS stuff is Geno's having a record of Casual Saitama, who as you showed numerous times, is varrying in power, and then Genos just made an assumption of how strong Saitama actually is, which is why I also don't think the One Shot difference everyday makes any sense, the Saitama Genos could have recorded could have been only as strong as the one up until the Deep Sea King fight, cannonically after it is when the whole VGS happens, and of course a higher level Casual Saitama can one shot that version of himself, I mean his best feat back then was one shooting Carnage Kabuto, that's it, even if Genos makes him 200 times stronger than that level of Saitama, it still won't be anywhere near his full power Casual Self, let alone his serious self. Other than that, great vid man, as a Boros enjoyer I am very pleased to see you give him the props he deserves xd. Also very glad you gave props to Kristian Kember, I am a big fan of his vids and like how he scales the verse most out of all people I would say xd.
Thanks! Though the thing is, Saitama does put on the headset himself and then the headset scans his power from that. It's not just Genos' perception of Saitama unfortunately 😔
@@SatorisYT I see, well it would still be it trying to understand Saitamas full power, so it can make him only as strong as the machine can simulate without breaking, but you already mentioned that in your vid xd
24:06, if it helps, garou does copy the serious punch before saitama finished using it on him, so he likely did the same with the consecutive normal punches. 26:43 dam didn't see me being in the video cool
The wanking is insane, Saitama never took damage from Released Boros. He was unfazed by Meteoric Burst attacks and even the moon kick wasnt suggested to damage Saitama even the slightest.
Boros is supposed to have 7 seals and he left 6 seals in his home planet so his power would have been much higher. Plus it doesnt make sense a star buster can conquer the universe.
@@Nitishherobn Goes to show You shouldn't trust everything You hear on the internet. Because again, I have no clue where this information could be coming from. Not the manga, not the anime, not any other canon material.
41:53 What about king 😠😠😠, he'd absolutely slam boros. Joking 😂, but at the same time not really. king would slam boros with his Saitama button or something.
True, King would win by some miracle occurring. Blast would probably show up and be like "Hey, Mister King, I know You could handle this on Your own, but this guy is pretty famous across the galaxy, so I'd like to fight him if You don't mind" 🤣
I think Garou wins Extreme Diff or it's a draw, Garou wins maybe 50/100 times, 5 draws, and Boros wins 45/100 times. Why? Well we know that Boros can't keep up Meteoric Burst for very long, as he runs low on energy. Meanwhile Garou is shown to be able to evolve on his own into Gargoyle Garou from Winged Garou, so honestly he might be able to evolve past that on his own, because we don't actually know how else he could have evolved because Saitama punched the monster shell off him. I mean the calcs of Boros are impressive sure, but Garou has superior fighting style, and it's not even a question, and Garou could adapt to Boros relatively quickly. Speedwise, I'd say they're kind of on par honestly. I firmly believe that Saitama was holding back against Boros and just let himself get combo'ed prior to moon kick to see what Boros could do, and I'd say him claiming "it's almost a real fight" is his evaluation of what Boros can do. And Garou does actually catch Saitama off guard multiple times, granted Saitama was mostly casual in his fight with Boros. As for Saitama getting injured, I absolutely don't think that that's blood honestly, it's far too dark to be blood (it's almost black), and honestly it's probably just energy radiating off Boros, or pieces of Boros' ship just flying around because he's moving so fast. Does Saitama get scratched? Sure, but he was being mostly casual up until he comes back from the Moon honestly, because I don't think he would have said "You're boring me" to Boros if he was actually being serious from the start. Like I do think Saitama was just letting Boros have fun. As for CSRC, it does look like it takes Boros a couple of seconds to charge it up, and given that Garou is not only Smarter than Boros normally, but he has superior Battle IQ, so Garou should no doubt be able to interpret what is going on and either get out of the way, or even charge at Boros before he can unleash CSRC. Another thing is that Garou using Fajin always seemed to be confident enough that he could penetrate Saitama's exterior and crush his insides, and Boros was also confident that he would be able to end the fight with Meteoric Burst. The difference is that Garou was confident of this when he was still in Bulky Garou form, and since Saitama obviously has greater durability than Boros, Fajin used by Gargoyle Garou should be able to splinter Boros into a couple pieces (like 5-10 maybe), while Boros was only confident that he beat Saitama after a grand combo of moves. So the last Fajin Garou uses could be above the whole combo Boros does to Saitama before kicking him to the moon. (Although yes this doesn't happen in the Manga, but he has the same reaction whether or not he does the combo so it's possible in the anime the total power of his combo is equal to the 2/3 attacks he did in the Manga) Also Saitama does block Garou's attacks in Chapter 164, you can see him swatting away Garou's punches before he does the Extreme Fajin, and before getting hit into the volcano aswell. And finally ONE doesn't even mention CSRC in the Webcomic Garou vs. Boros fight so he likely thinks that either Garou can react to it quickly enough, dodging it or otherwise, or that he could even tank or deflect it somehow. In conclusion, Gargoyle Garou could either evolve, or just block enough attacks from Boros, then adapt and stay in hot pursuit of Boros to not allow him to charge up CSRC, until Boros runs out of energy, about half the time. Close to half the time, Boros can stay on the offensive and not let up until Meteoric Burst is over and defeat Garou.
Dam i love this so much, i love that there is somone who actually respects boros, what if boros had god powers. just think how strong he would be , sorry for my spealing i am just tired
I would go as far as saying that Saitama just doesnt actually grow. He is already infinite in his manga. Its just that when he actually feels the thrill of combat, suddenly he appears infinately stronger to his enemy.
I think people are so used to seeing anime where the bad guys keep getting stronger (like DBZ) that they throw CLEAR Logic ( like MC mentioning that they won't kill) out the window, because of recency bias. I mean if anyone thinks monster garou is close to MB Boros.... Then you can safely assume that they are struck with the same phenomenon.
The funny part is that Boros vs Monster Garou in truth, is actually relatively even. Boros' wincon is his AP advantage, Garou's wincon is his crazy-fast reactive evolution. They're around the same level of speed, so do you think Garou's just gonna stand there and take a CSRC? Nah. Boros is nowhere near around Saitama's level of strength, so he's gonna be dealing with a guy that rapidly reaches his own level and beyond it (Garou), and he gets outskilled in h2h, so he'll have to rely on that CSRC anyways.
