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A set of laws known as the penal code was exported from Britain to its colonies and is still affecting LGBTQ politics to this very day. The penal code laws made being gay a criminal offense, and while Britain decriminalized homosexuality in 1967, it’s still illegal in over 30 former British colonies.
These countries didn’t have a history of homophobia before Britain enforced their own ideas of morality, but thanks to the empire these laws mean many live in fear. VICE World News host Zing Tsjeng investigates how the legacy of the empire is still ruining lives to this day.
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@VICE
@VICE 3 года назад
Previously on Empires of Dirt, we found out how Britain got China hooked on opium: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NbHAWNQRV70.html
@shinobi650
@shinobi650 3 года назад
Your videos have been utterly disappointing esp the Empire dirt series. I wish history was black and white as Vice make it out to be. Your portaryal of history is very "naive", the likes of which is expected from an elementary schooler. Let's blame it all on (the white men) Britain like it was all peaceful and paradise before their arrival.
@AthenaSaints
@AthenaSaints 3 года назад
...and China exports fentanyl to USA.
@rickshaw296
@rickshaw296 3 года назад
how about a program on how China got America hooked on fentenyl?
@rickshaw296
@rickshaw296 3 года назад
@Ski Bum vice is a joke
@deepstariaenigmatica2601
@deepstariaenigmatica2601 3 года назад
@@shinobi650 well, you have to blame it on the white men lol.
@vladimirdragov2167
@vladimirdragov2167 3 года назад
Wow, I didn't know the anti-gay laws in Pakistan had nothing to do with religion thanks for enlightening me!
@unclejeffthechad9459
@unclejeffthechad9459 3 года назад
lslamic Iaws of prophet Mohammad 1400 years ago...
@mjstecyk
@mjstecyk 3 года назад
Considering that the laws were verbatim taken from British law... it has less to do with religion than you think. PS, South Asia has a traditional 3rd gender, as to many other cultures throughout the world: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
@Bbknuckles
@Bbknuckles 3 года назад
@@mjstecyk wiki resource.. lol that’s a good one 🤣
@mg305
@mg305 3 года назад
@@mjstecyk you getting historical indian culture confused with Islam. Islam is profoundly homophobic.
@mjstecyk
@mjstecyk 3 года назад
@@mg305 Yet Arab culture has had a 3rd gender since pre-Islamic times: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun
@lptomtom
@lptomtom 3 года назад
That title is peak Vice
@hgfhfghfghfg755
@hgfhfghfghfg755 3 года назад
I have autism, and I would say they are more autistic than me.
@petu2123
@petu2123 3 года назад
@@hgfhfghfghfg755 you sir are not autistic, vice clearly is
@hgfhfghfghfg755
@hgfhfghfghfg755 3 года назад
@@petu2123 OMG, YOUR RIGHT. My autism just disappears.
@josharmstrong8813
@josharmstrong8813 3 года назад
@@hgfhfghfghfg755 as just another guy from discord and RU-vid I can assure you you are not autistic vice is just peak *stoopid!*
@marsenic3512
@marsenic3512 3 года назад
peak buzzfeed lmao
@ricardoguanipa8275
@ricardoguanipa8275 3 года назад
Oh yes I do remember reading about the gay pride parade held in Islamabad during the Mughal Empire then the homophobic British Empire came along
@ricardoguanipa8275
@ricardoguanipa8275 3 года назад
@Adita Saha [X-C] but were their Gay Pride Parades in the Mughal Empire?
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Same-sex attraction in many ancient cultures was seen as just part of general _desire._ Sexuality described as part of one’s _identity_ didn’t become common until the 17-18 century.
@zenaznoori3921
@zenaznoori3921 3 года назад
Islamabad was founded in 1960
@kharbetterthanyou8552
@kharbetterthanyou8552 3 года назад
@Adita Saha he was not fully gay. He just admitted that he found one of his boy servants attractive in his memoir. He also said that it was wrong of him to have this feeling.
@kakalimukherjee3297
@kakalimukherjee3297 3 года назад
@@zenaznoori3921 r/woosh
@yungstallion2201
@yungstallion2201 3 года назад
Wow look at Britain 300 years ago. Anyway...... I love how Islam is so good and is still punishable by death today in Saudi Arabia and Iran
@austin-ug4ts
@austin-ug4ts 3 года назад
And in 10 more Muslim countries
@hueyfreeman1983
@hueyfreeman1983 3 года назад
@@austin-ug4ts Based
@selangorball4518
@selangorball4518 2 года назад
@@austin-ug4ts Based
@wurple6353
@wurple6353 2 года назад
I mean, I can also say Christianity is oppressive to gay people because of Evangelical Christians or Atheists are terrible due to New Atheists who had no tolerance. I can go on and do the same for every non-religious group and also for any religious group. Feminism is completely awful because of TERFs existence, etc. Do you see how ridiculous your argument is? No one thinks Saudi Arabia which follows a very extreme interpretation of verses is representative of Islam unless they are Islamophobic. Oh, look, I guess I found an Islamophobe in the wild.
@wurple6353
@wurple6353 2 года назад
Also literally I do not know why and how you watched the video and heard how Malaysia and Pakistan etc which are Muslim countries but also former British Colonies, and were therefore affected by Britain's ban on homosexuality, and still make the argument that Muslim countries are homophobic because Islam is homophobic and not because Colonialism genuinely fucked up a lot of current so-called Muslim countries. Clearly no Islamophobia present at all in your arguments.
@CameronCraik
@CameronCraik 3 года назад
Yes ofcourse, Africa was a thriving homosexual safespace, aswell as Pakistan in the 19th century, gays held positions of power and were equal in everyway UNTIL the british came.
@mjstecyk
@mjstecyk 3 года назад
You're not wrong, some African cultures had traditional 3rd genders. Sometimes, depending on the culture, they held positions of prestige such as religious priests or advisers, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibados en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#Africa
@eduluz5577
@eduluz5577 3 года назад
Not what she said. She said that homosexuality was not illegal, and that an African king of what is today Uganda had sex with other males.
@sharongillesp
@sharongillesp 3 года назад
And let's not forget about the Roman Empire that accepted gay relations as very acceptable especially the armies.
@rafaelschoch84
@rafaelschoch84 3 года назад
@@eduluz5577 Maybe it wasn't illegal because they didn't have laws?
@eduluz5577
@eduluz5577 3 года назад
@@rafaelschoch84 yet homosexuals werent executed, jailed, exiled, killed, etc
@adamk828
@adamk828 3 года назад
Pretty sure some cultures were/would be against homosexuality even without British empire.
@sharongillesp
@sharongillesp 3 года назад
She's not talking about cultural issues...she's talking about outdated laws still on the book. Your culture may not approve but it doesn't mean someone should go to prison for it unless IT'S A LAW.
@chasedean4032
@chasedean4032 3 года назад
@@sharongillesp so are we going to talk about gays hating thrown off roofs in the middle east
@V.elociraptor
@V.elociraptor 3 года назад
@@chasedean4032 Well obviously homophobia is rife in many cultures, but it's a fact that it was disseminated and legislated against throughout several countries which were colonised by Britain, due to Britain forcibly spreading Christianity. There are written records from colonial powers in Africa and South America about their enforcement of homophobic rules on the local communities they found. Doesn't mean Britain was the only nation to do it, but it's historical fact nonetheless.
@emptyangel
@emptyangel 3 года назад
@@sharongillesp Guess what. These former British colonies are... former British colonies, i.e., they have their own government, courts, and law-making apparatus. Look at the former British colonies of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
@chasedean4032
@chasedean4032 3 года назад
@@V.elociraptor britan doesn't run those contrys if the contrys want to get of the laws they can
@bravovermeulen1482
@bravovermeulen1482 3 года назад
Vice: brits exported homophobia!!1! Islam: *sits calmly*
@kakalimukherjee3297
@kakalimukherjee3297 3 года назад
You're not allowed to make this point, you're Islamophobic
@tennisyn6493
@tennisyn6493 3 года назад
*sweats profusely*
@tortillawrapper5454
@tortillawrapper5454 2 года назад
Christians: stands even more calmly
@user-tk9fm2sw5g
@user-tk9fm2sw5g 2 года назад
@@Bluecheese1400 lots of Europeans were
@commenter6973
@commenter6973 2 года назад
@@tortillawrapper5454 Nah Islam is way more homophobic than Christianity.
@jadensanchez145
@jadensanchez145 3 года назад
I really miss the Vice news that had reporters embedded in Ukraine and with fighters in Iraq fighting ISIS.
@trueblood4989
@trueblood4989 3 года назад
Some of the best content and extremely well done.
@CryWolfFilms
@CryWolfFilms 3 года назад
very cool. no one else has ever had this exact sentiment on literally every vice video.
@benjamin1403
@benjamin1403 3 года назад
@@CryWolfFilms so why aren’t they making content people want instead of making biased videos made to demoralise and demonise.
@boomstick_
@boomstick_ 2 года назад
A news reporting organisation can do more than 2 things
@troy_opal2054
@troy_opal2054 2 года назад
@@benjamin1403 how is this meant to demoralize wtf? XDDD This video is just straight facts, nothing else. It’s informative at best, is what you can call it. If you don’t agree with something it doesn’t mean it’s wrong or „demonizing” lmao, this is some pretty basic manners and logic you should know. Vice covers many topics and they’re free to do so, since US still retains free press more or less. Apparently, there’s people that want this content since they’re publishing it. So how about you go somewhere else to throw your bigot-ass snowflake tantrums?
@jamesasira7969
@jamesasira7969 3 года назад
Am a Kenyan and in 2010 we had a referendum, guess what....still illegal, lets blame the Brits though
@iddods2117
@iddods2117 3 года назад
They gave you the idea and enforced it hard.
@jamesasira7969
@jamesasira7969 3 года назад
@@iddods2117 its actually cultural
@iddods2117
@iddods2117 3 года назад
@@jamesasira7969 The culture you inherited from the British.
@jamesasira7969
@jamesasira7969 3 года назад
😂😂😂you are actually daft, have you been to Africa? Am luhya man, you are embarrassing yourself
@joelhocker2811
@joelhocker2811 3 года назад
Yeah, a lot of laws were passed down during colonialism.
@WildNomadFire
@WildNomadFire 3 года назад
Can you do one on how Islam exports homophobia as well?
@JanPospisilArt
@JanPospisilArt 3 года назад
but what about
@SyndFire
@SyndFire 3 года назад
No because they would get kidnapped LGBT people are scared to talk lol
@dougdougeson8692
@dougdougeson8692 3 года назад
That can't do that. That would be islamaphobic. They stand up for Muslims, Like the ones in Saudi and Iran that hang gays TODAY
@AA-bn7tf
@AA-bn7tf 3 года назад
Judaism as well
@jonbrown853
@jonbrown853 3 года назад
@@JanPospisilArt you can't change what happened in the past but you can fight the injustice that is happening now.
@exocet8834
@exocet8834 3 года назад
For some reason these leftist magazines never show series about the atrocities of the Muslm invasions, eg. the Mughal Empire in India..
@TheMikadoOfLondon
@TheMikadoOfLondon 3 года назад
Well done, you've caught them, they actually have an agenda! Shocking. What are you doing watching their channel, though, if your political views don't appeal to you? Or did you just come here to leave a comment?
@exocet8834
@exocet8834 3 года назад
@Martha Cohen Millions of Hindus were slain during the Mughal, Mamluk, Muslim Invasion periods, the British don't even come close to that..
@exocet8834
@exocet8834 3 года назад
@Martha Cohen The Mughals acted in self defense in Hindu land that they invaded?? Are you on crack?
@exocet8834
@exocet8834 3 года назад
I guess the Germans also acted in self defense in Poland and the Soviet Union then 😂😂
@exocet8834
@exocet8834 3 года назад
@Martha Cohen I don't know in which twisted reality you're living, but even the most basic and openly available sources tell you that your claims are complete and utter lunacy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_India
@hellaroh6053
@hellaroh6053 3 года назад
>called "Empires of Dirt" and says it talks about European empires >only covers the British Empire
@theleshan
@theleshan 3 года назад
why not call it 'British Empire of Dirt'? 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@zylnexxd842
@zylnexxd842 2 года назад
@@theleshan You are talking in English and u dare say that the Empire who ruled 1/3 of the world was Am Empire of dirt??
@theleshan
@theleshan 2 года назад
@@zylnexxd842 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆dude. What are are you talking about? Of course that is what I mean.
@TK-Yogi
@TK-Yogi 2 года назад
other empires are inferior. Brit> everyone else.
@dewin0936
@dewin0936 Год назад
@@zylnexxd842 kinda was But for the colonialist and the missionaries it was heaven
@CPPRODUCTIONS1001
@CPPRODUCTIONS1001 3 года назад
Up next, how ghandi hated Africa and Africans
@jacopofolin6400
@jacopofolin6400 3 года назад
Best😂 @dio.dei.commenti2
@mandark1727
@mandark1727 3 года назад
They probably will do something on this- its not a bad thing to be aware of the realities of history. They already did videos on homophobia in at least 2 different countries in the Middle East.
@gaganpatil7236
@gaganpatil7236 3 года назад
Gandhi acted like a British agent
@kejserrige
@kejserrige 3 года назад
He did though, right?
@beasttitan8747
@beasttitan8747 3 года назад
Let me get a supply of 7up
@Breaksnbeats
@Breaksnbeats 3 года назад
"look how bad Britain behaved 300 years ago" - Vice 2020.
@Solidude4
@Solidude4 3 года назад
300 years ago? Britain had colonies until just recently. Literally my father was born when my country was still a colony.
@Fireclaws10
@Fireclaws10 3 года назад
300? You know most of he colonies have been independent for 70 ish years at most right?
@mjstecyk
@mjstecyk 3 года назад
300 years ago? Decolonization was still happening in the 1970's lol.
@gamestart6576
@gamestart6576 3 года назад
thats true actually
@johnalvarez908
@johnalvarez908 3 года назад
The British Empire didn’t fall until after World War II what the hell are you talking about?
@yaboyed5779
@yaboyed5779 2 года назад
These people also ask the question “what have the Romans ever done for us?”
@user-tk9fm2sw5g
@user-tk9fm2sw5g 2 года назад
Bruh
@bendrake3575
@bendrake3575 3 года назад
“Empires of dirt” Continues to only talk about Britain
@emptyboxesandrooms
@emptyboxesandrooms 3 года назад
because that's what it's about ...
@howie3750
@howie3750 3 года назад
@@emptyboxesandrooms but there was multiple other brutal empires, some of which not even being European
@Hardman._
@Hardman._ 3 года назад
@@howie3750 Ottoman empire comes to mind.
@queenelizabethiiisinhell5062
@queenelizabethiiisinhell5062 3 года назад
May be it is not easy to cover up all bad thing in one video.
@kakalimukherjee3297
@kakalimukherjee3297 2 года назад
As an Indian, I agree on some counts, disagree on others. The British were tolerant of our religions, which most others weren't. The British gave us democracy, which most others wouldn't. And the British gave us English, which is good in an American-led world. And on the flip side, the prolific looting that the British did would not have been probably done by the others, and we would've become independent earlier
@rureadyboots
@rureadyboots 3 года назад
"What have the Romans ever done for us"
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 3 года назад
Nice Life of Brian reference
@rebeccaanderson5626
@rebeccaanderson5626 2 года назад
The ROMANS cannot be compared to the other European Empires , They were much more civilised
@rebeccaanderson5626
@rebeccaanderson5626 2 года назад
@Sigma𐱃 Civilized does not means less Brutal
@rebeccaanderson5626
@rebeccaanderson5626 2 года назад
@Sigma𐱃 nobody can compare the Roman empire to European colonialism. Are u seriously comparing the Empires of different time scale and different periods . There were no French philosophers In the era of imperial Rome. The Romans did much more good than bad while the colonialist much more bad than good. How about constructing trains in India as a part of the British private enterprise and guaranteeing returns to the private Investers with the help of Indian taxes with the result being a single mile of railway costing more than twice the amount that it would have cost to build the same amount in Canada . Also none of these trains were NOT meant for mass-transportation and they did not connected major towns or cities , they were just meant to further the exportation of India by transporting Her sources to the ports so that it would be transported to United Kingdom . From the ticket collector's to the driver's British personal were employed in the Railways not Indians British private enterprise with Indian public risk British controlling the technology and ensuring all of the employment generated through it is given to British personal And British railway system being constructed to help in the exploitation of India Even after of this stupid colonialist who are just white supremacist in disguise would say that India should be thankful to the British for giving us Railways. Fu*k no Railways would have been built much more efficiently and for the public interest if it was done by the native Indian rulers instead of a foreign company . Also if you justify brutality of colonialism with a + 1000 year old Empire that means if your moral believes are 1000 years in lacking (What kind of uncivilized backward and Brutish civilization would then be ) Oh we have an answer "The lands of Western Europe has always produced the most Barbaric, backward , brutish and warlike people " :- Some Byzantine chronicler
@louicoleman2910
@louicoleman2910 2 года назад
@@rebeccaanderson5626 the Romans were just as brutal as anyone in their time. The same was true of the the Europeans in their time of Empire. Of course, exceptions did exist and retrospectively it’s a damned shame that civil liberties didn’t come earlier, but issues like homophobia are not really due to the Europeans but were simply commonplace across the world. There’s a reason though that European and majority European-descended countries are now much more accepting of LGBT people and Africa and Asia are not, for the most part.
@DarkRazorGamer
@DarkRazorGamer 3 года назад
This video is the swiss cheese of sound reasoning..
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
I disagree.
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
How exactly?
@apuapustaja1958
@apuapustaja1958 3 года назад
@@minmax5 I was going to take you seriously but you are a masochist
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
@@apuapustaja1958 How so am I a masochist? lol
@kanupandit1683
@kanupandit1683 3 года назад
I'm sorry I don't get your point due to my lack of cheese knowledge is swiss cheese good or bad anyone with a degree in cheese studies?
@LORDARIES100
@LORDARIES100 3 года назад
blaming the British empire for Pakistan having discriminatory laws is reaching pretty hard when it is a Muslim country and the Muslim religion isn't inclusive if none hetero ideas on love.
@ChillinwithLandD
@ChillinwithLandD 3 года назад
“Probably because no one was thinking about women at the time.” Is that really a good assumption?
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
have you heard of a joke before? or hyperbole? I guess not, so today's your lucky day!
@adrianm8212
@adrianm8212 3 года назад
@@minmax5 wasn't funny
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
@@adrianm8212 Irrelevant, just like you
@gq_barry
@gq_barry 3 года назад
Apparently
@bridgetlover
@bridgetlover 2 года назад
only in the sense of them not being objectified
@vuton7670
@vuton7670 3 года назад
Isn’t there a country in Africa where you can turn in your gay neighbor? Why isn’t vice there
@brent89
@brent89 3 года назад
Because there's no white people to blame there.
@notthisprickagain8499
@notthisprickagain8499 3 года назад
@@brent89 There's no white people in this video but they still got the blame 🤣
@exocet8834
@exocet8834 3 года назад
Even if they did it, they'll probably blame whitey for it.
@sakurakou2009
@sakurakou2009 3 года назад
actually in african countries homosexuals were ignored until europeans come with christanity and arabs/muslims came with islam , abrahamic religions fucked up african native religions , people used to just ignore them , we had culture of live and let live mind your own bussiness no one cared what other do in their privacy
@att6484
@att6484 3 года назад
Literally all anti-homosexuality laws in African countries today were originally instilled by the empires who originally controlled them.
@mrpyromaniac675
@mrpyromaniac675 3 года назад
This sounds like a buzzfeed article
@Pizza_Rat
@Pizza_Rat 3 года назад
ok? and?
@rafaelschoch84
@rafaelschoch84 3 года назад
@@Pizza_Rat Promoting racism against white people is ok?
@Pizza_Rat
@Pizza_Rat 3 года назад
@@rafaelschoch84 How is it promoting racism against white people?
@rafaelschoch84
@rafaelschoch84 3 года назад
@@Pizza_Rat By spreading stupid lies and percistently criticizing white societies. What about islamic conquest?
@SyndFire
@SyndFire 3 года назад
@@Pizza_Rat its spread propaganda and lies
@psynumb
@psynumb 3 года назад
Yeah, I'm usually with VICE on their opinion pieces, but I disagree here. I think it's even a little bit condescending to look at these countries as unable to progress past laws that were forced upon them decades ago. As an ex-muslim LGBT person, who is from the middle east, I see how religion and the right politics plays a huge role in these things. Homophobia and transphobia here has more to do with religion than anything else. Yes, imperialism didn't leave these countries in the best shape, but while the rest of the world (including the UK) progressed in many social issues, we're still stagnant and backwards.
@happyhappyaus2128
@happyhappyaus2128 2 года назад
this x10000000
@shepglennon8760
@shepglennon8760 11 месяцев назад
Yes, AND religion would be toothless at using the power of the state to arrest LGBT folks if this law didn't legitimize what they do. Yes, right-wing Anglo Christians are promoting homophobic legislation in Uganda, and right-wing Muslims appeal to religious justification, but the fact is, from Ghana to Pakistan, the precedent and groundwork has already been laid by British Imperialism. Ugandans, Ghanaians and Pakistanis feel like it is a part of their cultural fabric, and this video rightly takes it back to pre Colonial times to show No, it's not a rigid part of your history, in fact, your history is quite the opposite! This video is focusing more on debunking the idea that homosexuality is a Western import, if that makes sense?
@Iookeyman
@Iookeyman 9 месяцев назад
If you learn the history, Muslim society before imperalism is accepting queer people. Ex: Ottoman Empire. So it has nothing to do with religion, more like cultural or norm that using religious teaching as excuse.
@Bluesfan1780
@Bluesfan1780 2 года назад
So what did we learn? That the British empire is now chad.
@ecdctechmma
@ecdctechmma 3 года назад
LMAO When will she talk about what China is currently doing?
@Henry-jy3qw
@Henry-jy3qw 3 года назад
What are you doing. Have some self respect
@RMorgan97
@RMorgan97 3 года назад
Why would she, she’s from Singapore and lives in Britain? Its like asking you to talk about Belarus
@G_Flash84625
@G_Flash84625 3 года назад
@@RMorgan97Concentration camps for Chinese Muslims perhaps?
@RMorgan97
@RMorgan97 3 года назад
@@G_Flash84625 again though, why should *she* be the one to do that, plenty of reporters in the world, even plenty of reporters at vice, why target her in particular?
@jonathandenton6160
@jonathandenton6160 3 года назад
You realise Singapore isn't China don't you?
@vixeiv
@vixeiv 3 года назад
Obsession with past grievances to generations not of your own is a sign of an ideological zealot.
@brent89
@brent89 3 года назад
@John H Player LOL you're literally proving his point, you drooling brainlet.
@ariefraiser140
@ariefraiser140 3 года назад
When those "past grievances" are still impacting the present I fail to see your point.
@Lord_of_Dread
@Lord_of_Dread 3 года назад
*or someone capable of self awareness LOL
@MrAlen6e
@MrAlen6e 3 года назад
I could say the same thing about remembrance day but that doesn't fit your narrative...
@Bug_Smasher
@Bug_Smasher 3 года назад
Can vice also do a series on the Spanish Empire and Ottoman Empire?
@PasscodeAdvance
@PasscodeAdvance 3 года назад
They have to
@happyhappyaus2128
@happyhappyaus2128 2 года назад
or Japanese imperialism...
@andro7862
@andro7862 2 года назад
And the Belgian empire in the Congo. Much needed.
@norffcdoomer1393
@norffcdoomer1393 3 года назад
Peak vice content right here. Anything bad that happened, blame the British.
@flurifiction
@flurifiction 2 года назад
Im glad you got the right idea
@kjartist494
@kjartist494 2 года назад
Lol. I'm British and I'm still blaming them too if anything bad happens.
@Fyrdman
@Fyrdman 2 года назад
@@kjartist494 you're a woman and a lesbian. Your views are invalid
@bagaboiebailey
@bagaboiebailey 2 года назад
@@kjartist494 good sign of British citizenship
@augnkn93043
@augnkn93043 3 года назад
Mwanga II was a despot. “For Mwanga, the ultimate humiliation was the insolence he received from the (male) pages of his harem when they resisted his sexual advances. “ She’s literally defending a rapist. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mwanga_II_of_Buganda
@brettstarks1846
@brettstarks1846 7 месяцев назад
Like most non-white leftists, she has no real principles outside of making whites look as bad as possible.
@shinobi650
@shinobi650 3 года назад
Why is Vice so anti England? It's been recently spewing a series on "look what the British did to us".
@siem3113
@siem3113 3 года назад
I reckon it’s internalised racism and they need to realise how hurtful words can be.
@jimmyc00l
@jimmyc00l 3 года назад
It's a far-left organisation that is I assume is still mad about brexit.
@Scarmanderg
@Scarmanderg 3 года назад
So talking about British history is anti - British what happened to freedom of speech?
@HebelDan
@HebelDan 3 года назад
As much as I love the Brits, This series is not really for them. There could be billions of people around the world that don't realize just how much of their construct, grievances & aspirations was manifested by the Brits, a foreign culture with its own interests. There are many misdirected people and subsequently, political systems that can't seem to get justice & peace because of a pending realisation. The Pax Britannia realisation is such
@jamesbehrje4279
@jamesbehrje4279 3 года назад
Don't worry Theyre anti American too.
@ItzChrisGamez
@ItzChrisGamez 3 года назад
GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN
@gentlemanskier3107
@gentlemanskier3107 2 года назад
🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@fin4204
@fin4204 2 года назад
This comment is either going to explode with angry people or get buried
@therion8469
@therion8469 2 года назад
@@fin4204 nah
@southofheaven15
@southofheaven15 2 года назад
Based, love from 🇭🇷
@vedic-aryan9829
@vedic-aryan9829 2 года назад
Ahh no one can save her from us
@webdevelopereducation785
@webdevelopereducation785 3 года назад
God bless the British empire
@PasscodeAdvance
@PasscodeAdvance 3 года назад
God curse the British empire and the CCP to hell.
@sirsydneysmith8847
@sirsydneysmith8847 3 года назад
@@PasscodeAdvance so too with the gays
@PasscodeAdvance
@PasscodeAdvance 3 года назад
@@sirsydneysmith8847 You are infinitely worse than both the British empire and the CCP. Homophobia is prohibited ans no living creature can display it
@Adam-mv4fw
@Adam-mv4fw 7 месяцев назад
Hate the British unless they agree with me aye? Lmao, have a backbone
@420Kyle1620
@420Kyle1620 3 года назад
"Did you know people in the past had different views on morality, crazy right?" "Before the colonizers showed up, people were all about peace and love maaaaan." (Said no one who's read a single bit of history)
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
Nice strawman. I'm sure its easy to dismiss other people's views when you intentionally misrepresent them, eh?
@elias_xp95
@elias_xp95 3 года назад
@@minmax5 This entire video is a strawman. Also, it's ironic that a communist would pretend to care when gays were one of the first to be executed under communism.
@420Kyle1620
@420Kyle1620 3 года назад
@@minmax5 Maybe the UK should have kept some of these laws... people like you are really starting to get annoying now that you have full rights and nothing legitimate to complain about (
@mr.devilsadvocate.3787
@mr.devilsadvocate.3787 3 года назад
If these idiots went back in time before Britain colonized large parts of the world they would realise other empires existed. Namely Islamic empires that were just as if not more anti gay lol
@420Kyle1620
@420Kyle1620 3 года назад
Yea... 'Izzzzzlam' was involved in the 'Slavvv' trade too, but you don't see very many Africans running around the middle east. Maybe it's because they 'cass traded' all the men and threw the women's babies into waste dumps. These wokesters drive me faoking insane with their insanity. AND GUESS WHAT WOKESTERS, there are places that are still 'home of phobic' (to the point of 'ex O cutions'), 'Sec ist' (to the point that they don't allow women to leave the house without looking like a fowking beekeeper), 'slavvv owners'.... none of which are in North America or Europe (the places that out of EVERYWHERE on the planet, made the most strides to eliminate such issues).
@DarkRazorGamer
@DarkRazorGamer 3 года назад
"Some sins you just can't apologise away.", so what do you wan't them to do, what else can they do?
@korrdxl
@korrdxl 3 года назад
Reparations obviously. Neverending reparations.
@gabrielvero2352
@gabrielvero2352 3 года назад
The phrase rings true even If we were talking about The facts, and not even adressing "what to do" yet. I mean... Did It change anything? Is there a presente day negative repercution on those countries or not. If It does (and boy it does) then yeah... You actually can't apologise It away. What to do after recognizing The awfulness of The situation is a Second step, and It does not change The fact that "you can't apologise It away"... Because that is Just a fact
@emptyangel
@emptyangel 3 года назад
Their logic of "your white ancestors oppressed my yellow/brown/black ancestors, therefore all whites should apologies to all yellow/brown/blacks" is inherently racist.
@j4yd34d5
@j4yd34d5 3 года назад
Nobody needs to apologize for their existence or the sins of others.
@rockey13gt
@rockey13gt 3 года назад
If they wanna put the British empire on trial let them recount both the good and bad it's done, not only the bad. Reparations? Make the descendants of every empire that ever existed (more than a hundred) pay for its sins first.
@G396
@G396 3 года назад
What if i told you Vice...That evey devloped/ing nation From Modern Japan to Medieval Russia has been built on the suffering and plight of others? Can we just get rind of trash like this and just go back to videos that and actually interesting and informative.
@nachooo2036
@nachooo2036 3 года назад
New episode the brits create the steam engine then the industrial revolution damm the brits yave all the fault of climate change out off jokes people have to learn that they can t critices other times with today s time of thinking it isn like the europeans were the only savages doing war we have this wrong idea of every part 9f the eorld outside europe was a paradise where all people live together Sorry for my english i am not a native speaker
@Erminestreet
@Erminestreet 3 года назад
Why does it hurt you so much?
@andreeadinica1752
@andreeadinica1752 3 года назад
let people know. the least you could do.
@arpitpatra
@arpitpatra 3 года назад
But queen never apologized
@jamesfletcher5906
@jamesfletcher5906 2 года назад
Interesting video for sure, Vice makes some fun short videos so respect. However, I think it is a bit of a leap blaming homophobia on the British empire. I'm not saying they didn't make it worse but there are so many factors this video ignores. Seems very fashionable atm to have a go at the British empire, often rightfully so, but don't get carried away. History is crazy complex, gotta really think about these things.
@creolakuck3267
@creolakuck3267 9 месяцев назад
Some of these may not be proper.
@tonybruce
@tonybruce 3 года назад
My eyes hurt from rolling
@bluefraser2920
@bluefraser2920 3 года назад
They’re going to be hurting for a long time
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Then drink more water and put down the ecstasy, mate.
@bridgetlover
@bridgetlover 2 года назад
then close your eyes like you do with the attrocities of the Empire are brought up
@tonybruce
@tonybruce 2 года назад
@@bridgetlover and then what? What happens next?
@goodwill8220
@goodwill8220 3 года назад
Honestly I found a lot of misinformations in your report. I think is a little bit biased
@gq_barry
@gq_barry 3 года назад
All media is biased. Depends on what you may agree with
@goodwill8220
@goodwill8220 3 года назад
@@gq_barry yea I agree with u in this point 👏👏
@asquito1
@asquito1 3 года назад
The like/dislike ratio makes me happy
@geraldkiing1904
@geraldkiing1904 3 года назад
Anything British: *exists* This one VICE Asian woman: "NOOOOOO"
@nachooo2036
@nachooo2036 3 года назад
New episode the brits create the steam engine then the industrial revolution damm the brits yave all the fault of climate change out off jokes people have to learn that they can t critices other times with today s time of thinking it isn like the europeans were the only savages doing war we have this wrong idea of every part 9f the eorld outside europe was a paradise where all people live together Sorry for my english i am not a native speaker
@geraldkiing1904
@geraldkiing1904 3 года назад
@@nachooo2036 Salright about the English, good roast though 👍.
@tanisingh393
@tanisingh393 3 года назад
@@geraldkiing1904 This doesn’t have anything to do with modern day Britain, it is more about acknowledging the past which the former colonies faced, comming to the issue of the industrial revolution. Britain’s industrial revolution was actually premiced upon the de-industrialization of its colonies. This is not to say that the former colonies were perfect before they came it was however definitively made worse by Britain and problems today often stem directly from colonization.
@vishnusahani2822
@vishnusahani2822 3 года назад
Vice next title will be How British introduce Caste System in India .
@vishnusahani2822
@vishnusahani2822 3 года назад
@Kaushal Batavia Caste System is the most fucked up illogical religious structure . if someone shadow is enough for you to avoid that person and give you right to torture that guy .I am out and caste system was good and bad in some one era is rubbish reformers were there before Britishers and even during their time and after they were gone. Our stupidity is the reason. Atheism is the only solution no religion is up to date with current scenario .most r homophobic , sexist, and science denying . Atheism plus empathy is all we need.
@user__100
@user__100 3 года назад
@@vishnusahani2822 You appear to be a rice bag convert. Go to any lsIamic country and preach Atheism to them, but you won't.
@abhishekmhatre1554
@abhishekmhatre1554 3 года назад
Well, technically it was the British Raj that codified and enforced the caste system in almost every sphere of Indian life. This is not to say there wasn't complicity and support from upper caste Indians, but the British certainly played a major role in shaping the caste system during the nearly two centuries they ruled India.
@atharvagawkar4827
@atharvagawkar4827 3 года назад
first thing hinduism has lgbtq , i am trans gender i am proud hindu ,
@illuminate_day
@illuminate_day 3 года назад
@@__________________________1030 wtf11
@jon5918
@jon5918 3 года назад
The ratio by gawd...
@suad01
@suad01 3 года назад
Oh thanks, I almost forgot to vote
@theemissary1433
@theemissary1433 2 года назад
Thank you, O Britain, for being based for hundreds of years. From a Filipino in Singapore
@atacama1000
@atacama1000 2 года назад
Least self hating and white worshipping Filipino.
@bridgetlover
@bridgetlover 2 года назад
dont mess with us star wars fans we blindly worship imperialism despite the franchise being against it
@theemissary1433
@theemissary1433 2 года назад
@@bridgetlover Good soldiers follow orders
@bridgetlover
@bridgetlover 2 года назад
@@theemissary1433 **proceeds to commit a literal war crime within the Star Wars canon which later leads to a mass genocide**
@flawyerlawyertv7454
@flawyerlawyertv7454 Год назад
Not bases at all.
@alanmoss4407
@alanmoss4407 3 года назад
This raises two questions unanswered in this video:- 1) Were pre colonial societies really free of homophobia before Empire? The one example given was a king, but the powerful have always given themselves freedoms not permitted to their subjects. I’m not aware of any societies free of homophobia - where homosexuality was accepted it was in strictly limited and controlled forms. 2) If homophobia did only arrive with the British, why wasn’t it rejected along with the other facets of British colonialism, and why has there been no return to pre-colonial mores?
@greenmatius
@greenmatius 2 года назад
Imo homophobia has always been there but when there is a law against homosexual, it makes it harder to change homophobic perception. In countries with these laws, homophobia is the accepted perception. Talking about lgbt on social media or promoting it in a political platform, is seen as going against the law. The reality is also lgbt makes up a small minority so there are less ppl fighting the cause while loud mouth anti lgbt can freely make their speech, suppressing the lgbt agenda even more. By having the law removed, it create so much more breathing room to talk about it and bring awareness
@WestIndianAK
@WestIndianAK Год назад
All very good questions. I have always been skeptical of the idea that homosexuality in, say, African countries is *entirely* a European import, given how deep-seated that prejudice is in those parts of the world. 🤔
@jen-qc9wp
@jen-qc9wp Год назад
Because after centuries of colnization t became ingrained into modern society
@marcosbittencourt3444
@marcosbittencourt3444 Год назад
Greece
@user-yj7ve5zv9n
@user-yj7ve5zv9n Год назад
The Ancient Greeks were pretty accepting.
@stealthstandard
@stealthstandard 3 года назад
It's more to do with religion, than the empire. Religious people had a dominant role in the empire this influencing everything in the imperial regions.
@jackdenmark5182
@jackdenmark5182 3 года назад
Well said couldn’t agree more
@roxaneweeks260
@roxaneweeks260 3 года назад
I'm glad they did!! Lmao
@Dorian-lq3up
@Dorian-lq3up 3 года назад
@@roxaneweeks260 You are glad they... You disgust me.
@bchandruu
@bchandruu 5 месяцев назад
@@francescoliccardi2510 India and south east asian anti gays law has nothing to do with Christinity. We know our regions and local culture better
@GuyCalledAdam
@GuyCalledAdam 3 года назад
This doesn't sound like a British problem
@joshreeves1036
@joshreeves1036 3 года назад
@@ts8404 you know absolutely nothing about history if you think that🤦‍♂️😂 homophobia was apart of all religions at the time, and still now. England didn’t create homophobia, that’s like saying they created racism🤦‍♂️ it’s a global problem, no one started it you tool🤦‍♂️ plus the British didn’t persecute Native Americans. When England first started colonising America in the 1500s during the reign of Elizabeth 1st, they were friendly with the natives. They brought some back to England, manteo and wanchese. Who were both native chiefs. They were introduced to the queen and worked with linguists so English colonists could learn their language. This was all by consent mind you. They didn’t force them to come. In this period, there were two colonies from England. One failed due to a lack of many things. The other randomly disappeared, and no one knows what happens to it to this day. Presumably attacked by natives. Later when people like the British came again and colonised, nearly every European super power was at war with the natives. They weren’t a friendly bunch to begin with. Don’t think that that means we just went over and started killing them for no reason. Every empire on earth has committed atrocities at one point or another, it wasn’t just the British. And back to the gay thing, you can’t blame England for making countries like Pakistan anti gay, BECAUSE THEY ARE ISLAMIC. THEY DIDNT LIKE GAY PEOPLE BEFORE THE BRITISH, AND THEY DONT LIKE THEM NOW🤦‍♂️
@cletusdsouza1
@cletusdsouza1 3 года назад
@@joshreeves1036 To be fair homosexuality was widely accepted and tolerated in India before. I mean even the Kamasutra talks about it, we even have our Temples depicting it and the Hindu Gods being gay and trans. No one cared back then. And then all of a sudden everything changed when the Empire criminalized homosexuality in their colonies, including India. You can't deny the fact that colonialism did play a role in influencing societal understanding of things. But thankfully tho things are changing now and people are becoming more open minded about homosexuality like in the past.
@himalayas1647
@himalayas1647 3 года назад
@Kyle P.V Yeah that as well lol
@namjesus1998
@namjesus1998 3 года назад
@@joshreeves1036 👁👄👁 India wasn't homophobic
@joshreeves1036
@joshreeves1036 3 года назад
@@namjesus1998 everyone was homophobic centuries ago you fool, nearly every religion is and was homophobic, even none religious people saw it as a mental illness. Don’t try to shift blame away.
@7thDesertRat
@7thDesertRat 3 года назад
wonder when they are going to do one about past Chinese Empires from the Zhou to the Qing
@boomstick_
@boomstick_ 2 года назад
oh yeah, that empire totally radically shaped recent history
@ConsideringPhlebas
@ConsideringPhlebas 3 года назад
All these deeply religious, conservative, tribal and primitive cultures were hosting regular pride parades before the British showed up ;)
@gabenv3.03
@gabenv3.03 3 года назад
lol
@paolocaprani5646
@paolocaprani5646 3 года назад
Of everything is Britain's fault all this hate towards the uk is becoming very boring and unoriginal
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Actually, same-sex desire and gender diversity can be seen as part of society in most ancient cultures. These are not new concepts and have been a part of humanity since the beginning of humanity.
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
@@paolocaprani5646, pretending to be bored (when you’re really just offended) is not an effective way to show others you don’t care. You do actually care.
@ConsideringPhlebas
@ConsideringPhlebas 3 года назад
@@binaryvoid0101 Lmao The fact that you can find historical examples of it doesn't mean it was tolerated, widespread or nomalized.
@redabaazzi9818
@redabaazzi9818 3 года назад
How are u gonna apologize something no living soul on this earth did 💀
@TheRockerX
@TheRockerX 3 года назад
Colonial rule ended 60yrs ago... most of those guys are very much still alive🤦🏻‍♂️
@Trozzo
@Trozzo 3 года назад
@@TheRockerXSo most of the people in their late 30's to around 70 are still alive 60 years later? Or do you think it was babies in charge? You're an idiot
@deepstariaenigmatica2601
@deepstariaenigmatica2601 3 года назад
Colonial thinking doesn't just end with people dying lol.
@Trozzo
@Trozzo 3 года назад
@@deepstariaenigmatica2601 that wasn't the argument. It was finding the individuals responsible and holding them accountable... which is impossible.
@TheRockerX
@TheRockerX 3 года назад
@@Trozzo the original comment was that you can't apologize for "something no living soul on this earth did". And my point was that there are many still-living souls that did these things (even though that generation is starting to die out). And they did those to people who are still alive. When the last of them die, do you think the damage will be magically undone? The effects of what they have done will continue to affect the future generations of all the countries they colonized. No one's asking for an apology, just for you to understand what your grandfathers have done.
@WARPONY1973
@WARPONY1973 3 года назад
Aren’t these the guys that wore wigs, lipstick and make up during parliament?
@staryariarts
@staryariarts 3 года назад
Yepp
@dankoni
@dankoni 3 года назад
yea, cuz gay dudes are always wearing wigs and lipstick 🤦 are all gay people drag queens in your eyes? and the wigs come from a time when everyone wore wigs to hide their syphilitic scalps 🤢🤮
@gforgeorge6693
@gforgeorge6693 3 года назад
makeup was originally made for men.
@petu2123
@petu2123 3 года назад
@@gforgeorge6693 high heels too if I recall correctly
@WARPONY1973
@WARPONY1973 3 года назад
@@dankoni so you’re saying you still wear all that but you’re not gay?
@bettyhello
@bettyhello 3 года назад
I just wanted to clarify. In Malaysia, there is shariah law which is only applicable to Muslims, and under that law, being gay is illegal. I suspect the arrest of the gay men in Kuala Lumpur in this video were of Muslims, not non Muslims. For non Muslims who aren’t bound by the shariah law, it goes back to the penal code. Under the penal code, Sections 377A and 377B prohibit “carnal intercourse against the order of nature” with a penalty of up to twenty years imprisonment and whipping. Both men and women are criminalised by this laws. This law also covers oral sex. Yes, this was from the British. One of the few things they left Malaysia. This law can only be used if you can prove that a couple were having “carnal intercourse”. There’s also public indecency laws, but that could cover public nudity too. Again, inherited from the British. It isn’t “illegal” for two non Muslim men/women to hold hands, or to “date”, but because of laws such as the penal code and the Muslim majority in Malaysia, it is frowned upon. Not just by the Muslim majority, but by a lot of Malaysians of other religions. Unfortunately, I don’t see this getting any better. Even when Malaysia had a change of government in 2018, the then supposedly “liberal” coalition made it clear they don’t support the LGBT community.
@crazydino4541
@crazydino4541 3 года назад
It’s like saying the British empire was racist. I know someone who came from Zimbabwe and preferred it when the British empire ruled
@TheLocalLt
@TheLocalLt 3 года назад
Zimbabwe became a socialist shithole dictatorship after the British left lol
@crazydino4541
@crazydino4541 3 года назад
@@TheLocalLt exactly
@h4rdi7g3
@h4rdi7g3 3 года назад
This is not that uncommon. The fact is when the British were in charge of a lot of these places the bad people from there couldn't take over. The British left and that leaves a power vacuum which in a lot of these places was filled by much worse rulers than the British.
@bridgetlover
@bridgetlover 2 года назад
"my anecdote disproves almost 400 years of racism" bro have you even seen star wars? like the basic concept is being anti imperialist
@crazydino4541
@crazydino4541 2 года назад
@@bridgetlover who’s that aimed towards. I have seen Star Wars many times. It’s my second favourite franchise. But you said 400 years of racism which is stupid. Racism has existed in society science different people of different races came into contact with each other. It’s all down to not understanding each other.
@Nicholash69
@Nicholash69 3 года назад
Remember when Vice was good? It’s been a decade.
@rybread1346
@rybread1346 3 года назад
Gonna cry? Gonna poop your pants?
@SyndFire
@SyndFire 3 года назад
@@rybread1346 no he isn't
@udaykaushal5833
@udaykaushal5833 3 года назад
Amen
@littlemissbossy1000
@littlemissbossy1000 3 года назад
@@rybread1346 grow up
@SyndFire
@SyndFire 3 года назад
@@rybread1346 grow up
@ikrarramadhan2451
@ikrarramadhan2451 3 года назад
Law maker : My lord how about lesbianism ? King Henry : shhh shhh i enjoyed. Law maker : yes my lord just the gay.
@midnightstorm4290
@midnightstorm4290 3 года назад
LMAOO
@lewislee9201
@lewislee9201 3 года назад
Can't wait for the episode that discusses how the British Empire banned the quaint old cultural practice of widow burning among its Indian subjects.
@user-ud4lu6vc9z
@user-ud4lu6vc9z Год назад
or how they perpetrated genocide in their less populated colonies to exterminate the natives
@TheAaronChand
@TheAaronChand Год назад
In Western countries They where burinng women for witchcraft in the 17th 18th century's. 😅
@finestclips6467
@finestclips6467 3 года назад
I’d prefer this to be called Empires of change. I know we should cover the bad things that happened which is great you are but they did do some good things too. Maybe make a series on it like you have this?
@rgzhaffie
@rgzhaffie 3 года назад
I know, it's like, these poor imperialists, with all their enormous wealth and power, have been completely unable to flood the world with propaganda and sycophants singing their praises for hundreds of years until very recently. Instead, everybody has done nothing this whole time but slag them off and give them no credit for any good they ever did. Now there's the real tragedy.
@finestclips6467
@finestclips6467 3 года назад
@@rgzhaffie exactly, I mean the British empire was one of the most successful in terms of modernising the world and many countries wouldn’t be where they are without it. Similar to the Roman Empire but that doesn’t get half the amount of shade thrown at it.
@farhanakbar3779
@farhanakbar3779 Год назад
Yea killing people, and make some laws that think other people in the world are "amoral" is very generous act indeed of British Empire. Yess invading and burning China with its opium war, indeed modernize world ahh yess copium of golden age of history
@kalleanka2796
@kalleanka2796 3 года назад
It used to be illegal in plenty of countries that weren´t governed by the British as well. Illegal in Sweden up until the 40´s as an example. Not saying British rules didn´t influence a lot of countries, but it´s hard to say if it would have been different either way despite what Theresa May says. Just think of most major religions and their view on it. It would have been more interesting seeing a contemporary take on the issue, like some of the religions currently causing this issue in large parts of the world.
@maxwalker1159
@maxwalker1159 3 года назад
All the Abrahamic Religions speak against homosexuality, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all these laws were religious laws, it’s bullshit from vice to say it’s because of Britain, any country that followed a major Abrahamic religion had similar anti homosexuality laws, Britain should be congratulated for being one of the first countries to repeal them, instead the vice narrative is evil westerner spreading hate yada yada yada, what a joke
@amendus
@amendus 3 года назад
@@maxwalker1159 this. Pretty sure that if the abrahamic religions have anti gay laws that there are other religions or cultures that have the same. Even if Britain influenced these companies, it's not their fault countries like Pakistan still stone people to death.
@miles6271
@miles6271 3 года назад
The fact of the matter is that many Empires (Britain, Spain, France, Portugal and various Muslim Empires) exported their religious values and introduced homophobia in places where it before did not exist. It's well known that indigenous communities across the Americas were very open to homosexuality and throughout Africa it was either accepted or people were ignorant to its existence. Most places that didn't experience Abrahamic religion are pretty neutral with regards to homosexuality or at the very least don't have the vehement hostility seen in majority Christian or Muslim societies. Though to be clear, I think the spirit of this minidocumentary is misguided. Gotta let go of the past man.
@adreadaline
@adreadaline 3 года назад
it most definitely wouldve been different in south asia where christianity is minority religion. even muslim countries like turkey dont have laws against homosexuality
@amendus
@amendus 3 года назад
@@adreadaline yet homosexuality isn't really accepted in Turkey is it? It's not even accepted in the Turkish community in the Netherlands.
@Twigmannn
@Twigmannn 3 года назад
The core message is valid but this isn't a very nuanced take. Yes the empire introduced homophobia to some parts of the world where it didn't exist prior. However it is disingenuous to claim that primarily Islamic areas such as the regions that comprise modern day Pakistan and Malaysia were not homophobic prior to British colonisation. Homophobia was/is present in most societies that follow or are strongly influenced by the Abrahamic religions.
@toontownwarnado7070
@toontownwarnado7070 3 года назад
She did say part of the reason, not the entire reason. Arguably, with Britain taking a different stance, it might not be as bad.
@unclejeffthechad9459
@unclejeffthechad9459 3 года назад
lslam is the most homophobic Christians and Jews aren't that much.
@PunishedlLongshanks
@PunishedlLongshanks 3 года назад
What part of the world was tolerant of homosexuality pre-20th century?
@toontownwarnado7070
@toontownwarnado7070 3 года назад
@@unclejeffthechad9459 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_homosexuality
@mjstecyk
@mjstecyk 3 года назад
Pakistan and Malaysia are only 2 counterexamples to the dozens of other colonized peoples who had homophobia thrust on them. I would point out that Pakistan and India both had traditional 3rd genders since antiquity - British law gave them the language and legal framework to discriminate against them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
@xxxxxx9897
@xxxxxx9897 2 года назад
Really ?! The nations that keep these laws hold no accountability over their actions but the long gone British Empire bares the responsibility ? I'm from Egypt a former British colony, A nation that truly suffered under British colonialism .. The reason we had to suffer under British occupation is the incompetence of our Khedive, That's It. We lost they won, Stop with the victimization of our people.
@mki441
@mki441 2 года назад
Its not victimization, its almost imposible to take the damage done by imperials, they are rooted in culture nowdays. its not victimuzation is tellimg the thruth of how imperials countries fucked up the world
@humanchannel7825
@humanchannel7825 2 года назад
@@mki441 so you’re saying that they have absolutely no control over their own laws. Bullshit.
@humanchannel7825
@humanchannel7825 2 года назад
@@mki441 and what, they can’t change laws? The fact is that half of these countries that claim to have suffered due to the British are corrupt and poor, such as countries in Africa
@user-ud4lu6vc9z
@user-ud4lu6vc9z Год назад
@@humanchannel7825 changing the institutions imposed by a metropolis on which they depended economically and culturally (by force) is not something that can be done overnight. even more so if we talk about the British empire, which finished falling just 50 years ago... and many of its interventions are directly responsible for the misery that many former colonies are still going through
@bchandruu
@bchandruu 5 месяцев назад
@@user-ud4lu6vc9z Without this standard British law, the convicted will get lash and death penalty. Its much more worse prior this law.
@imperial6915
@imperial6915 3 года назад
Correction* - Britain exported mass farming techniques, industry and the foundations for democracy... oh and banned the slave trade. But yeah, lets just talk about the negative aspects to stir up tensions in a world that is vastly different to the days of the Empire... because I'm sure that will help to strengthen world peace.
@AnupamShaw
@AnupamShaw 3 года назад
In India, they've banned "Sati"-an old tradition of burning the widow on the funeral pyre of her husband. People often forget that the British have also done a lot of good for this world.
@chadmuslim1763
@chadmuslim1763 3 года назад
Yeah and also looted and exploited our countries
@Andre-rp4pn
@Andre-rp4pn 3 года назад
Facts
@clay119
@clay119 2 года назад
@@chadmuslim1763 good
@diegosilang4823
@diegosilang4823 2 года назад
Woke liberals distort history to make white, western culture and Christianity look bad. Homophobia is not a white colonial invention. Europa was under influence by Christianity. Christianity and Islam inherited the "homophobia" from Judaism.
@maryanndeweerd2570
@maryanndeweerd2570 3 года назад
And china? Unbelievable
@Pizza_Rat
@Pizza_Rat 3 года назад
nice whataboutism bro, you must be very attached to the british empire
@unclejeffthechad9459
@unclejeffthechad9459 3 года назад
MainIand Communist China is homophobic But Taiwan allowed gay/same sex marriage....
@unclejeffthechad9459
@unclejeffthechad9459 3 года назад
*Communists/Socialists are homophobic* *China, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara...*
@maryanndeweerd2570
@maryanndeweerd2570 3 года назад
@@unclejeffthechad9459 exactly
@Pizza_Rat
@Pizza_Rat 3 года назад
@@unclejeffthechad9459 Yes my three favorite homophobic people, China, Castro and Guevara. You are still doing whataboutism, you might wanna google what that is.
@Tjmax187
@Tjmax187 3 года назад
The Middle East - “Hold my beer Uk”.
@notthisprickagain8499
@notthisprickagain8499 3 года назад
B A S E D
@ShootingUtah
@ShootingUtah 3 года назад
Europe and Europeans will never be good enough for this lady! Even though she lives there!
@EvenWaysMusic
@EvenWaysMusic 3 года назад
She's pathetic that's why
@englishman9020
@englishman9020 3 года назад
Yeah I know I wonder if she is gonna reports on the Japanese, mongol, Ottanman and African empires Oh wait she won't because they ain't white she is anti white.
@GunnerSideOfLondon
@GunnerSideOfLondon 3 года назад
I'm not surprised this video has more dislikes.. great video btw
@Kap00rwith2os
@Kap00rwith2os 3 года назад
Came here for the comments. 🍿 🥤
@oscargomez4970
@oscargomez4970 3 года назад
Fortunately they don't disappoint
@TheGoldenboss100
@TheGoldenboss100 3 года назад
Lol same 😂🇬🇧
@anthonymanderson7671
@anthonymanderson7671 Год назад
Same
@ronaldlymm7248
@ronaldlymm7248 3 года назад
What about Russia and Iran. I suppose they got their values from the British as well 🙄
@iamtheomega
@iamtheomega 3 года назад
iran and china not white, Putin now loves socialism/Biden/democrats so they can't touch russia
@Ava-pq6om
@Ava-pq6om 3 года назад
Read the title of the video you commented on. Is this a raid?
@ronaldlymm7248
@ronaldlymm7248 3 года назад
@Kekistani Killer I know they wasn’t in the British empire that’s my point . So who do you blame for the homophobia there .
@ronaldlymm7248
@ronaldlymm7248 3 года назад
@Kekistani Killer why is it always people on here that don’t show their actual picture that insult people on here. What are you afraid off . You get walked over in real life or summat.
@miroz5824
@miroz5824 3 года назад
Both Iran and Russia have well documented LGBTQ+ history. Islam or communism respectively changed that
@Dn2kproductions
@Dn2kproductions 3 года назад
"I Miss the OLD Vice" this is exactly the reason.
@zulaikhamaisarah5603
@zulaikhamaisarah5603 3 года назад
Can someone tell me the background music of this video....it would mean so much..i just couldnt find the original version..thank you
@mesflyer
@mesflyer 3 года назад
By traveling with a King James Bible? By reading, teaching, believing or following what it says? That act wasnt passed in a vacuum. Maybe you should do a show on how Mosaic law shaped the world.
@riteshshinde3092
@riteshshinde3092 3 года назад
If you see me smoking and you start smoking too, then that's my fault.
@riteshshinde3092
@riteshshinde3092 3 года назад
@87654ba i know about the opium wars how britain got china hooked on opium and won hong kong in the end. But you can't blame britain for homophobia, it was exported by the 3 middle eastern religions, almost every conflict is due to them
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
If I come into your country with a bunch of guns, and enforce laws that require you to smoke at the penalty of death, do you really think there won't be any impact on the rates of smoking afterwards?
@genetix7173
@genetix7173 3 года назад
@@minmax5 and when did the British go into China to specifically force the Chinese people to smoke opium.
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
@@genetix7173 this isn't about smoking opium i was simply using smoking as an analogy for unjust behavior or unjust laws being enforced like the first comment did and like what this video is addressing. SMH SMH SMH
@genetix7173
@genetix7173 3 года назад
@@minmax5 what is unjust behaviour and unjust law.
@Imperial_Lions
@Imperial_Lions 2 года назад
God Save The Queen 🇬🇧👑🇬🇧
@Rhakjellg
@Rhakjellg 2 года назад
Another 100 years of england 🥳
@celestial_s
@celestial_s Год назад
Lol, England is gonna fall before 2122
@reytunezbz
@reytunezbz 3 года назад
What they didn't mention was that in the Caribbean most local authorities just straight up made their own laws.
@ocelot8611
@ocelot8611 3 года назад
The British Empire also created economically prosperous and stable countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Mauritius. Name me one former colony of France, Spain, Belgium or the Netherlands that is economically prosperous and stable.
@royzevisionneur2045
@royzevisionneur2045 3 года назад
Quebec... Because it's runned by wh... 🤐
@josephrubin5821
@josephrubin5821 3 года назад
Right on! This is a very one sided hate the Brits feeling piece! When in fact they were probably the cleanest n least ruthless empires of those times. By today's standards they're evil maybe, but they were in different times.
@sakukuratabinbohkekal-faki4248
@sakukuratabinbohkekal-faki4248 3 года назад
Indonesia
@aleale6277
@aleale6277 3 года назад
Strawman, and a stupid one too.
@CM-yz4sz
@CM-yz4sz 3 года назад
That's already commonly talked about. The point is to talk about the history that isn't pleasant.
@safire7384
@safire7384 3 года назад
Just give up vice, it isnt working, find something else to do...
@blznft9513
@blznft9513 3 года назад
We understand you're white no need to get all defensive
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Historical facts don’t care about your feelings.
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
It’s entertaining to see all the White tears this video extracted.
@safire7384
@safire7384 3 года назад
@@binaryvoid0101 that's just racist
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
@@safire7384, It’s not. I’m also White.
@kaiserwaffle7896
@kaiserwaffle7896 2 года назад
MAY THE EMPIRE RISE!!!!! *FOR QUEEN AND EMPIRE!!!!!!!*
@bridgetlover
@bridgetlover 2 года назад
the empire has been dead for 25 years
@okokkokok7284
@okokkokok7284 2 года назад
🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@chrisbacos
@chrisbacos 3 года назад
Here in the USA before 1969 the only state where homosexuality was legal was the conservative Midwestern state of Indiana. I mention that year as it was the year of the Stonewall uprising in New York City which started the movement for LGBTQ rights in the USA. I remember a few years ago I saw a 1967 clip of a CBS news report claiming the American Medical Association classified homosexuality as a mental illness. The point is Britain and it's former colonies aren't the only ones with ugly histories of homophobia.
@OfficialReckM8
@OfficialReckM8 3 года назад
Man what are these people talking about? 🤦‍♂️
@worldworks
@worldworks 3 года назад
read the fucken first 4 paragraphs from this website usa666.wordpress.com and you will see why this is being aggressively pursued.
@roxaneweeks260
@roxaneweeks260 3 года назад
Yeah, freaks!!
@verslaflamme666
@verslaflamme666 3 года назад
Imagine being too dumb to understand colonial history
@notthisprickagain8499
@notthisprickagain8499 3 года назад
@bro ha Correct
@dav4x487
@dav4x487 3 года назад
Vice wonders why it's going broke then releases garbage like this.
@Terjecs
@Terjecs 3 года назад
How is this garbage?
@emptyboxesandrooms
@emptyboxesandrooms 3 года назад
I see no garbage here. Move along.
@joshualuis2000
@joshualuis2000 3 года назад
🗑
@hristokrastev4312
@hristokrastev4312 3 года назад
Lol I guess someone got triggered 😂😂 but yeah I am on the same opinion, vitrue signaling isn't cool, and one sided materials like this one i guess do more harm than educating :/. To finish on a positive note I believe it gets better slowly but it does, like for all us :)
@emptyboxesandrooms
@emptyboxesandrooms 3 года назад
@Obsidian Wildfire why did you end the comment with "so..." ?
@Awkci_gaming
@Awkci_gaming 3 года назад
Fun fact, you can learn more from the comments than the video itself.
@jiyakuches220
@jiyakuches220 Год назад
You are right! You can learn from hundred of comments' perspectives rather than one video.
@sealand4950
@sealand4950 2 года назад
who is up to restore british empire
@greekvvedge
@greekvvedge 3 года назад
Continuing the long tradition of beating a dead horse. Let’s deconstruct the archaeology of something that’s still alive and vibrant.
@kingtut4537
@kingtut4537 3 года назад
1:44 extremely uncool stuff? Cmon I love this series but that’s lazy writing.
@dennisbarnes9317
@dennisbarnes9317 3 года назад
It's vice. They're lazy asf
@adreadaline
@adreadaline 3 года назад
yeah they need better writers FOR REAL
@kingtut4537
@kingtut4537 3 года назад
@@dennisbarnes9317 is there an echo? Didn’t I just say that. Tf you commenting for.
@ash.bl.9289
@ash.bl.9289 2 года назад
Could you maybe make a video of how the British Empire abolished the international legal slave trade?
@abcelu
@abcelu 2 года назад
Kudos to ending something The Empire started
@WestIndianAK
@WestIndianAK Год назад
After profiting from it for hundreds of years!!! Not to mention that the Royal Navy shut down the slave trade mainly to prevent its colonial rivals from continuing to profit from it…they didn’t want the competition 😒
@WestIndianAK
@WestIndianAK Год назад
@@abcelu In fairness, the Portuguese actually started it, then the Spaniards, *then* the Brits and French and the rest. But that’s doesn’t get them off the hook.
@marcosbittencourt3444
@marcosbittencourt3444 Год назад
Except it didn't. Brazil accepted those laws but continued to trade 4 million slaves through the ocean until 1888.
@MIDOGALI
@MIDOGALI 3 года назад
Hmmm ... these countries make their own laws and can change them any time ... THE WAY BRITAIN HAS.
@bangavlogs7362
@bangavlogs7362 3 года назад
I'm from Africa and from my understanding, even way before we were colonized, it was unheard of and a taboo for people of the same sex to sleep together. It's not British homophobia influence. Africans since tradition have been known to be straight polygamous people :)
@joelhocker2811
@joelhocker2811 3 года назад
It may have been taboo, but it was there. Colonialism had a heavy influence on areas that it pillaged, raped , and stole from. Traditional laws for certain people groups in Africa have been replaced by colonialist laws. The same happened in other part of the world, too.
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Actually, homosexuality was not seen as taboo in pre-colonial Africa. It was very much a part of society.
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Prior to European colonisation, throughout the African continent we see far different, more relaxed attitudes towards sexual orientation and gender identity. For centuries, across the African continent there was a completely different attitude towards sexual and gender identities. Many African countries did not see gender as a binary in the way that their European colonisers did, nor did they correlate anatomy to gender identity. In no African country prior to colonisation do we see any persecution of LGBT individuals because of their sexuality, nor any anti-LGBT laws.
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Same-sex desire along with gender diversity has been a part of humanity since the beginning of humanity.
@everburn
@everburn 2 года назад
Yep, that's what I've seen too.
@leedclinton5026
@leedclinton5026 3 года назад
2:28 Mwanga the ll had 17 wives.
@sharongillesp
@sharongillesp 3 года назад
It's cultural. At least the man accepts responsibility. In America men just pay off prostitutes...like the American president... Tromp.
@petu2123
@petu2123 3 года назад
@@sharongillesp can't forget how bidens son hunter does the same too now
@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606
@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606 3 года назад
@@petu2123 You guys find a way to make everything political
@FoodRecipes108
@FoodRecipes108 3 года назад
Elecktion time
@stufhnimeanstuff1702
@stufhnimeanstuff1702 3 года назад
@@sharongillesp TROMP
@0poIE
@0poIE 3 года назад
*This is basically How we look very salty back at the past lol* Up and onwards
@minmax5
@minmax5 3 года назад
It's important to look at the past to an extent, the past has a direct impact on the material world we currently live in, and therefor it is important to analyze the past to make better choices about what to do in the future.
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
The OP is clearly salty.
@tngchinghwa
@tngchinghwa 3 года назад
As a Singaporean, we don't recognize her as one of us. Thank you
@properjob79
@properjob79 3 года назад
don't worry our media is heavily payed by the alt left of self hating whites...she's making a killing here
@faisalchaudhry5281
@faisalchaudhry5281 3 года назад
Ok
@NHC2000
@NHC2000 3 года назад
Man... Those jeans with those sandals... Like no, please no...
@Franeeky
@Franeeky 3 года назад
They brought Christianity. But if you keep it it's your problem.
@saturny2k383
@saturny2k383 3 года назад
you say problem like its bad
@SyndFire
@SyndFire 3 года назад
@@saturny2k383 you don't understand what he's saying
@nick63837
@nick63837 3 года назад
Yes but it is difficult to get rid of an ideology after many centuries of brainwashing.I am greek ,and in ancient greece gay people were not hated not given a second thought.Ince christianity came and mitigated by the jews and Roman's it has become an anathema in greece!
@AA-bn7tf
@AA-bn7tf 3 года назад
Wouldn’t that technically be blaming the Jews then?
@nick63837
@nick63837 3 года назад
@@AA-bn7tf well it was preached by jews first...
@theuglypugling6770
@theuglypugling6770 3 года назад
I live in an ex British colony where gay marriage is legal. if century old laws are yet to be repealed then it says more about the countries keeping the homophobic laws than it does about the colonisers who scrapped it long ago...
@portmanteau.
@portmanteau. 3 года назад
Yo, I live in a former British colony too. We are the same you and I.
@shawnv123
@shawnv123 2 года назад
based britain
@9929kingfish
@9929kingfish 3 года назад
“ Some things you can’t just apologize away” Oh well then. What else do you suggest?
@victorian3611
@victorian3611 3 года назад
They could educate people by teaching gay history in schools and how homophobic laws came to be instituted, they could also send ambassadors to their former colonies to dismantle homophobic laws and system of oppression of the LGBT community
@spacesuit9354
@spacesuit9354 3 года назад
@@victorian3611 or they could leave sane black and brown countries alone with their first world rich people perverse nonsense. Let us be already
@greatalexander3820
@greatalexander3820 3 года назад
@@victorian3611 That is beyond belittling to other nations, "why hello, it's me, your former colonial overlord back here to tell you how to run your country again because you little inepts haven't been keeping up with modern western morals and values so I'm back to impose them on you again" That would do little but, rightly, infuriate.
@victorian3611
@victorian3611 3 года назад
@@spacesuit9354 Are you to brain dead to realize that your homophobic attitude is first world rich people nonsense
@victorian3611
@victorian3611 3 года назад
@@greatalexander3820 Its because they are incompetent by spewing hate towards the LGBTQ community to distract their citizens from their own economic short comings
@SuperAdobeFlash
@SuperAdobeFlash 3 года назад
Christianity before the 19th century was the present day Islam.
@thehistoadian
@thehistoadian 3 года назад
Does anyone ever take Vice seriously? Because I sure don't...
@leigh7507
@leigh7507 Год назад
She has great English for someone from Singapore. They usually have a very hard to understand accent.
@sheldonbrown3261
@sheldonbrown3261 3 года назад
Just like every other country in the history of the world....
@blake432
@blake432 3 года назад
No, actually, not really even close.
@Oblivisci........
@Oblivisci........ 3 года назад
Im pretty objective about history and honestly I agree with Blake. Britain was almost as brutal as Rome as far as its colonies are considered. You cant really say the same historically about, say, Vietnam.
@Pizza_Rat
@Pizza_Rat 3 года назад
name 5 other countries that did what the british empire did
@marsenic3512
@marsenic3512 3 года назад
@@blake432 Some countries that were colonized were actually muslim before they were christian, and still in majority are, Islam is a very homophobic religion so the homophobia was already there, the Brits maybe just backed it up🤣
@GlobalFolkloreShorts
@GlobalFolkloreShorts 3 года назад
China Numba 1
@viatronmac
@viatronmac 3 года назад
Wow just wow, nuclear grade toilet “journalism” a new low even for vice
@sharongillesp
@sharongillesp 3 года назад
Yeah...it's hard to face one's nasty background. But hey...if you keep ignoring it it'll never be resolved. I'm not gay and you're probably not either...but I'm the more intelligent...because I understand the Golden Rule and try to live by it.
@viatronmac
@viatronmac 3 года назад
@@sharongillesp nope
@notthisprickagain8499
@notthisprickagain8499 3 года назад
@@sharongillesp Lapping up Hebrew propaganda does not make you intelligent 😀
@binaryvoid0101
@binaryvoid0101 3 года назад
Who knew historical facts could hurt so many feelings 😭💦
@GJ-ol5ev
@GJ-ol5ev 2 года назад
*Britain was the first empire to abolish slavery*
@ayushdhingra855
@ayushdhingra855 Месяц назад
Slavery was there in british empire. Lot of indian were sent to Africa as slaves by Brithieves Or british
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