How the Pacific Ocean changed history

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This video is about a duet between the atmosphere and the ocean, one that reaches around the entire world and has shaped human history. Of course, I'm talking about the El Nino Southern Oscillation or ENSO, a fascinating example of a teleconnection. In this video I talk about what ENSO is, what a teleconnection is, and how natural changes in the climate have impacted human history (and what it implies for our future).
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This video essay on the history of how climate has changed society looks at the fall of the Old Kingdom of Ancient Egypt, the collapse of the Maya, the end of the Moche, as well as the decline of Akkad and the Indus Valley Civilisation. Using the scientific literature and Flood, Famines, and Emperors by Brian Fagan, I explain how the El Nino Southern Oscillation or ENSO is an example of a teleconnection, the most important one that shapes the climate of our planet on short timescales. This science video essay is about natural climate change, and what it can teach us about modern anthropogenic change. Also, Pharaoh (1999).
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@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039 Год назад

"what's past is precedent and possibly prologue" .....pure poetry and with the clock ticking away in the background very impressive production!

@timfriday9106 Год назад

lol google it.

@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039 Год назад

@@timfriday9106 ok got it

@hydrolifetech7911 Год назад

El Nino had a massive impact on my own life. My father was the head of a massive irrigation scheme in Kenya in East Africa and the 1997 El Nino destroyed the expensive irrigation canals and buried the metal culverts used to construct them under huge mud and landslides. My father had to quit our farm and we moved away as it was too expensive to reconstruct the canals again and the government refused to help in the reconstruction as the irrigation scheme was a communal co-op and not a government project in the first place. Although our family found its feet later, I still mad at the government for letting so many fall into poverty by failing to reconstruct the farming scheme's canals. The small farming town has never recovered since 1997 El Nino

@lasurflife Год назад

According to the video, El Nino means drought for East Africa.

@hydrolifetech7911 Год назад

Google 1997 El Nino and you will find that there was extreme floods in East Africa

@antelon86 Год назад

Flooding and subsequent mudslides are more likely in an area after an extended period of drought. Drought conditions cause soil to compact, due to no root growth, which causes less drainage and more water runoff into areas that typically do not experience flooding. When that flooding/rainy period is extended, those soils which rely upon root networks to create stability turn into mudslides that can devastate a region as it did in East Africa during that period.

@siberianslime7127 Год назад

I am currently doing my GCSEs. You have convinced me to want to study meteorology and climatology somewhere. I would like to see some more extremely good content(like all your videos) about the AMOC, NAO, or AO. If you would like to help me with my meteorology and climatology journey, be my guest. Thanks Simon for everything you do.

@mistycloud4455 Год назад

Good luck you are the master of your destiny

@BrianWoodruff-Jr Год назад

I did not expect the use of Sierra's city building game Pharaoh to be used. I spent countless hours playing that game and instantly recognized it! What a joy :D

@GodwynDi Год назад

Classic Sierra, so many memories of their games.

@AlipashaSadri Год назад

Same here!

@zwe1l1nkehaende Год назад

Great video! Short bit of feedback: The audio level between the segments varies a lot. The main part is slightly low, the brilliant spot is slightly loud and the outro is very low.

@SimonClark Год назад

Noted, thanks for that - something to improve for next time!

@finxy3500 Год назад

Also sounds like there's some reverb in some of the audio clips, confusingly.

@maflones Год назад

What was great about it? It was so full of irrelevant comment and stupid shit like game clips that it was unwatchable. Made by a 13 year old.

@arenomusic Год назад

I NEED more ancient Egyptian history presented like this, that intro was enthralling

@DomenBremecXCVI Год назад

Of course, the nickname Boomerang is also valid for you with the choice of the game representing Egypt. Brought back so many memories... Wonder how much the game is today.

@harry.tallbelt6707 Год назад

There's a whole community around Impression city building games now. It's partly driven by nostalgia, partly by how good they are 😂 If you look up any of them on RU-vid, you'll probably find the GamerZakh's channel, which is a great hub for these games' lovers

@MedlifeCrisis Год назад

That boomerang gag was one of your worst. And that’s saying something.

@markstevens7147 Год назад

All your videos are entertaining, your ability to explain complex topics in an understandable manner makes the scientific ones particularly valuable. Great work, and thank you.

@tdb7992 Год назад

It's always a big event here in Australia when our national weather office (the BoM) announces whether we are going into a La Nina or an El Nino, as you can tell if there will either be horrific floods or horrific bush fires over the Summer. At the moment, we have inland oceans and some of the worst flooding on record. We've even been seeing snow over our hottest months.

@devinsexton9476 Год назад

This video deserves more attention. Past changes in climate and the effects these events have had on civilization are fascinating and unfortunately emphatic. Great work Simon!

@kaptaink1959 Год назад

Those past changes had nothing to do with human actions. they were a natural part of our climate. Do you know of any permanently harmful effects of CO2 increases?

@aa9945 Год назад

The global temperature has risen more than one degree celsius, and we KNOW that’s because of human action. That’s insane. Imagine the amount of energy you would need to heat up the average temperature of a bathtub the size of the entire earth’s atmosphere and oceans even a little bit. It’s basic physics too, by the way. You can literally plug the numbers into the correct equations and solve in about 3 minutes.

@hansweichselbaum2534 Год назад

Brilliant explanation of the El Niño/La Niña cycle. Best I've ever seen. Should be mentioned in the title.

@michaelkhoo5846 Год назад

This is great thank you! I am just reading 'Climate Change in Human History' by Lieberman and Gordon and this fits in really well with that.

@willinwoods Год назад

A lot of entertaining graphics here... which makes for a nice, festive backdrop to your excellent presentation.

@Dantyx1 7 месяцев назад

Strange how I hadn't heard of this before! Great video

@theena Год назад

This is so well presented, I just to pause to comment. More of this please.

@maflones Год назад

No it was not. The video was unwatchable due to game clips and stupid comments that the moron probably thought was funny.

@melissamybubbles6139 Год назад

Your channel deserves more attention than it gets.

@theshadow9961 Год назад

Awesome video Simon, a great mix of history and your atmospheric knowledge.

@kai9908 Год назад

Love the Pharaoh game cameo. 🥰

@Haseri8 Год назад

Pharaoh, there's a game I've not thought about for a long time

@moonbender95 Год назад

This made me curious about Panthalassa

@tatjanaschroder1358 Год назад

Great video and thank you for the book recommendation :) I will, definitely, take a look into it. Have a great rest of the year and merry christmas.

@matthewmcneany Год назад

The Pacific is big, like Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to the Pacific Ocean.

@lsauce45 Год назад

It is tiny compared to the Pale Blue Dot.

@oldworldpatriot8920 Год назад

The worst part is I can’t be mad at you because you told absolutely no lie in that crime of a statement

@hyric8927 Год назад

"The Pharaoh is the heart of Egypt. The land is its body. And the people it blood."

@TheMezzomorto Год назад

What an incredible video, thank you for this valuable perspective.

@enternalinferno Год назад

So glad I found a channel that explains climatology this well!

@profwaldone Год назад

I would love a deep dive on all these various circles and how they overlap and empower/reduce each other... but that might a full degree's worth of information lol.

@punditgi Год назад

Excellent video as always. Simon is a super star!

@Rnankn Год назад

What is the casual chain? Do changes in climate cause also cause the collapse of ecosystems? Basically, is there a direct relationship between climate and civilization, or is there an indirect complex dynamic process? Things like desertification, the movement of bioregions, alterations to the hydrologic cycle, species migration or extinction. Or is it social/political? Do particular environmental stressors shift institutions, or change behaviour? And if it is a complex indirect process, can we detect any patterns, or make any generalizations about how climate can cause a civilizational collapse?

@Konsul135 Год назад

so many moments in this video made me laugh, some fantastic writing here Simon!

@kevinconrad6156 Год назад

Bought your book a couple days ago, waiting for Bookstore Santa Cruz to get all my books together for shipping.

@kala_asi Год назад

To anyone else curious about Pepe II: its Pepi actually

@0topon Год назад

Actually its Pepsi

@SimonClark Год назад

Yeah I listened to that back in the editing process and immediately could see the RU-vid comments, sorry!

@Ocean-Mariner Год назад

Love your work Simon...

@guyskillen Год назад

Simon I can't believe you did the SOI but didn't mention Australia and the constant flooding the east coast is experiencing during the prolonged la Nina!

@jaroslavsvaha6065 Год назад

This video is blowing my mind, and it's fascinating that we are very slowly starting to discover how one of the most complicated systems known to us - our atmosphere - actually works and affects the world at large

@kelvyquayo Год назад

I have to sub because the Wizard from your thumbnail is from the cover if the Middle Earth Role Playing Valar and Maiar stats book. I still have it!! 😊

@makhuphukamnguni9782 Год назад

I teach the enso system but I still find it fuzzy... when it comes to impact in Southern Africa

@harry.tallbelt6707 Год назад

1) I've just watched a popular science lecture on global history and it mentioned climate cycles a couple of times, and now I checked my climate channel and it's talking about global history! 2) Pharaoh 😍 The ways the features of our climate influence our history is a really interesting niche, which usually only gets mentioned by historians, who don't really attempt to explain the inner workings of the climate systems, so yknow.. \*aggressive winking\* (no idea how to escape formatting)

@samaurelius4399 Год назад

I remember that old Egyptian game!! Fun game

@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 Год назад

Wow, such cool video. And scary.

@AlipashaSadri Год назад

Pharaoh (the game) cameo was 👍👍

@Numba003 Год назад

What is the picture in the thumbnail? That is pretty epic lol. Thank you for this fascinating exploration of global climate and archaeology. God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)

@maxdoner4528 Год назад

Just curious, do you know Prof. Rupert Klein? We are having a course with him atm, eventough Im not so familiar with Fluid dynamics.

@sweatygenius Год назад

Might just have been my state of mind at the time of watching but I had a really hard time following and staying focused while watching this; I rewinded so many times! Probably just having a bad day or something.

@quintusantell2912 Год назад

thought I heard, "changes in land juice," and I needed to pause for a moment. Sorry. As you were.

@DaydreamNative Год назад

Wait people are using AO/NAO interchangeably now? They are very much not the same thing!

@markrichardson21 Год назад

But highly correlated.

@DaydreamNative Год назад

@@markrichardson21 Still very much independent though; one can be positive while the other is negative.

@tacocruiser4238 Год назад

Permanent El Nino would be fantastic news for California and the American Southwest. We need the extra precipitation.

@nadineneza5732 Год назад

We need always to find balance that's how modelation can bring peace

@theMOCmaster Год назад

The Maya didn't pretend nothing was happened, they ramped up the human sacrifice! Surely that will bring the rain.

@jack1701e Год назад

When in doubt more sacrifice!

@bethaneydunne9682 Год назад

Great Video Amazing love it Thanks Merry Christmas hope we can be friends 🎅☃️🐻‍❄⛄️🦌🌲🧑‍🎄🤶👍⭐️🎄❄️❤️

@zanderwhitcroft Год назад

Shout out to the game Pharoh!

@lasurflife Год назад

I'm curious about the role of the "Green Sahara" or African humid period in the foundations of ancient Egypt. Apparently the Sahara was green for about 10,000 years between 15,000 and 5000 years ago. Then, the oldest kingdoms that we really know about in ancient Egypt arose around 5000 years ago. Seems reasonable to imagine that desertification of the areas all around the Nile Valley would have changed the way people relied on the Nile Valley floods for sustenance.

@benmcreynolds8581 Год назад

It's almost like this system in the Pacific is the "Starter" and "the regulator" of the dynamic system that occurs around our planet 🌎

@TheScourge007 Год назад

The book Late Victorian Holocausts by the late Mike Davis is a good addition to this discussion. In that book, Davis discusses the impacts of El Nino and La Nina on global agriculture in the late 19th century and compares it to impacts felt by those climate variations in previous centuries. What he finds is that 19th century capitalist imperialism greatly weakened famine support systems across China, India, and Africa (while imperialist countries like the UK and yes the US used their imperial power and not-destroyed political systems to avoid any disruptions). What this tells us is that the problems that arise from climate variations are either mitigated by systems that take these potential changes into account, or they are exacerbated by exploitation and systems that don't account for the stresses of climate shifts. But also it offers a third alternative to "move" or "innovate". There is also "organize systems of mitigation". The famines of India weren't even in the same order of magnitude prior to the British conquest as they were after it. They just didn't have the priority of shipping crops back to British factory workers even as local farmers starved. New technology wasn't needed to end those famines either, just local elected rule over foreign imperial rule. Indian famines ended BEFORE the Green Revolution but after independence after all. So when we think about the problems of climate change, we should also be thinking about how resilient our global economic and political systems are to disruption. The good news is we're better off than the 19th century, but the supply chain problems of the past 2 years should suggest that we're not as resilient as we will need to be. And for that, while new technologies are of course welcome, we need to keep in mind the basics of "keep good reserves and act rapidly where problems arise".

@sonnystaton Год назад

True dat in the La Nina, we're about to start building an Ark here in California & load up all the animals by male & female of each.

@michaelbindner9883 Год назад

How does Indonesian/South Pacific volcanism interact with this? We had a drought, then we had Hunga Tonga volcano and are back to La Nina and massive rain on the west coast. Are these linked?

@E4439Qv5 Год назад

New/sudden volcanism output always would affect things to some extent, and the most dramatic effect of this was when Krakatoa caused an effectively overcast/cold season for the majority of Summer 1883. Hunga Tonga is considerably smaller than that, so it's tougher to pin global changes to it specifically. But since it _is_ a primarily undersea volcano and a very significant force is applied in the eruption, what we got was a lot of unusual extra water in the lower stratosphere, which would sink back into the troposphere where this cycle occurs. Again, it's hard to gauge just how much, but a case can definitely be made for it.

@TheZeagon Год назад

what was the game at the start? looks fun

@will1603 Год назад

Pharaoh

@SimonClark Год назад

Pharaoh (1999)! I spent far too much of my childhood playing it (fun fact: the case for the game formed part of the tripod that I filmed my first ever video on)

@TheUnluckyLee Год назад

@@SimonClark The feeling of starting a fresh family and hearing "It is said that the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step" gets me hype every time. Roll on the HD remake!

@N1ghthavvk Год назад

@@SimonClark It's also supposedly getting a remake coming next year or so. You can already follow that upcoming game on Steam.

@photoo848 Год назад

Pharaoh is getting remade with current graphics. The game devs also made Zeus:Master of Olympus (ancient Greece city builder where Gods walk through your streets blessing stuff when you build their temple)

@pattheplanter Год назад

Build more nilometers and grain storage pits now!

@heijd Год назад

9:55 I never knew the Roman Empire was wiped out by ENSO flipping

@baldacchinonicholas7962 Год назад

Great video, can you talk about the (535 AD), (late antiqu little ice age) or (LALIA), and how it affected the world, please 🙏 thank you 😊

@maiabones Год назад

I thought you said "changes in land juice" at 3:50

@meteorologyinurdu Год назад

New Person On your channel From pakistan

@Alixir_of_Life999 Год назад

Listening with my eyes closed an ad turns up at the perfect time to tell me that this unprecedented rapid climate change was caused by The Tank Museum😂

@dudes1079 Год назад

epidemic music! and about as popular with me

@pattheplanter Год назад

4:58 Throwaway comment.

@waspjournals41 Год назад

Hi! great video, as always! I've been looking for a climate expert of your magnitude to answer a question I have about past climate changes. The question is: why is current anthropogenic climate change said to be unprecedented in its rate? If we look at data from ice cores in Greenland and pollen sets from Europe, as well as other proxies for monsoonal regimes and whatnot, we find several instances of abrupt climate change known as Dansgaard-Oescher events (sorry if i misspelled that!). As you know, such swings in temperature occurred all throughout the last glaciation and were extremely fast, like several degrees of warming within a few decades. They affected, if not the whole world, at least the whole northern hemisphere and tropics. I accept the fact that current climate change is man-made and is a big problem we need to fix asap. But the existence of D-O events proves that the climate can naturally change at such a high rate and has done that multiple times. So how is it still correct to use the term "unprecedented" to refer to the current rate of climate change? Thank you for your time and willingness to educate people

@cbl1199 Год назад

Ever heard of the Catholic concept of ''original sin''? Long story short, humanity suffering was the end result of your ancestors sins thus you had to pay for their ''crime'' and unfaithful behavior, mostly by giving money (tithe) to the church. The modern enforced politically correct opinion on the matter is effectively a modernized version of it, using dubious science instead of theological argumentations, with the clergy and religious authorities replaced with cliques of elitist scientist and corporate lobbies that conspire together as to shame the common folks into compliance with their policies while the true culprit of what could be considered human caused pollution, aka corporate bodies and ill-minded opportunists who see the forest for the lumber it will provide, white wash their ''sins'' via donations to utterly opaques tax evasions schemes of which the management and distribution of funds is known only to its managers under the guise of charitable works, omitting how by law they're only obligated to distribute ~10% of accumulated funds to the cited cause. Ecological economics are a cesspit of fraudulent behaviors and gaslighting, to cite one exemple among many, ever wondered why those tree planting endeavors are always placed in neat rows for miles on end, despite doing such being detrimental to the ecosystem stability and diversity of species, and almost all the species planted are what is known as commercial species (aka species of trees that can be sold commercially, like pine or cedar)? Its because its a quid quo pro deal with forestry industries, whom interpret these lands as long term investment, as in 40 to 50 years once the trees are fully grown it make their extraction and processing is way easier, greatly augmenting the value of the land plot. Do you think peoples would so eagerly spend hours upon hours of voluntary labor if they knew their hard work would be cut down a few decades laters for the profit of a corporation? To ask yourself the question is to answer it. Sorry for the tangent, its just this subject is a pet peeves of mine as I've studied in fauna & flora management just before it became a globaly promoted issue and the transition of the arguments in its favor over the years allowed me to see how utterly dishonest those who use the communal guilt over environmental issues to push their personal money schemes, its basically a multi-billion industry at this point that heavily favor the manipulatives scums who hide behind a veneer of good intentions. And the most infuriating with it all is to see how many well intended peoples fall for it, bait, hook and sinker, only to become dillusioned once they realize they've been used like tools.

@eapenninan4950 Год назад

👍

@bethaneydunne9682 Год назад

Hope can be friends

@mmalouf Год назад

Haven't you heard of committed warming unless we can get the carbon out our atmosphere the temperature rises we see this century will be unavoidable

@LeanAndMean44 Год назад

@Simon Clark please stop the whatsApp spam comments from users pretending to be you.

@jasonhaven7170 Год назад

What's the game?

@harry.tallbelt6707 Год назад

Pharaoh (1999). It's even getting a remaster/make next year

@curiodyssey3867 Год назад

Very noice

@toyotaprius79 Год назад

I don't see any 6 or 9 anywhere

@danielcuevas5899 Год назад

Good video however the B roll of the game made me think you kept inserting your self into an advert.

@GhostOnTheHalfShell Год назад

The alternate question, did other civilians rise where Egypt etc declined?

@GodwynDi Год назад

No. Its the bronze age collapse. Civilization in the Mediterranean wouldn't be at the same level for centuries.

@GhostOnTheHalfShell Год назад

@@GodwynDi A lot of smaller bits of settled agrarian life could crop up. I am not looking for a mega empire. Those take time and circumstance

@GodwynDi Год назад

@@GhostOnTheHalfShell Its not like these places became uninhabited wasteland. But a few farms or settlements is not a civilization

@GhostOnTheHalfShell Год назад

@@GodwynDi well i guess the anasazi doesn't rate. you do you boo.

@GodwynDi Год назад

@@GhostOnTheHalfShell So what exactly are you trying to ask? If the extent of their existence was just a few farms, no writing or other significant developments, then no, it is not a civilization.

@nicci_valentine Год назад

luv me sum map

@aidanfiadh Год назад

0:53 simon you're great but you can't just throw pharaoh pepe at us like you didn't even just say that shit

@nunyabiznes33 Год назад

KEK

@asdkant Год назад

So the sea peoples where a couple of kids =P

@steveshea9448 Год назад

Your first sentence is wrong. Egypt was not, in fact, "the first flourishing of civilization along the Nile," but third. Fifth, if you mean the unified kingdom separately from its Upper and Lower Egyptian precursors. Numbers 1 and 2 were Napata and Meroe. Please have a historian check your history, as you would hope a historian would check a climate scientist before making a parallel claim.

@Carlos-tm6zk Год назад

Yeah, you’re right, this is archaeology, very old one, so it definitely limits our understanding… so shouldn’t that be all the more reason for us NOT to cherry pick hypothesis on what took an empire out? Here’s an interesting Ted talk about the collapse of civilizations and all the factors involved: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IESYMFtLIis.html Weather change is certainly on the list, BUT, there’s more to it. Like I’ve commented before on your assumptions over agriculture, we can’t just pick one thing and treat it in a vacuum, that’s bad science…

@LeanAndMean44 Год назад

That’s hardly science at all. I still appreciate all the explanations about the atmosphere and cryosphere here, civilization speculation excluded.

@Carlos-tm6zk Год назад

I feel the same, there’s a lot of good information in this channel. For example the one about nuclear energy, it was very well explained and unbiased, in my opinion

@richardallan2767 Год назад

OK Boomerang

@malashebad6181 Год назад

"How the Pacific Ocean Changed History.... I swear if you gotta do a clickbait title (and i get it, sometimes you do) you DON'T have to say random nonsense.

@problemsolver3254 Год назад

pepe the second kek

@ricardomontoya2395 Год назад

No mention of aliens… 0/10 would not recommend

@MrRollingEgo Год назад

I'm convinced Simon is a secret r/collapse Redditor

@toni4729 Год назад

You're assuming that these are the people that built these fantastic cities and pyramids, and they were only five thousand years ago. You're assuming it was only the weather that brought these people to their knees, which I seriously doubt. It had to be something far worse. Something that would have darkened the sun for a couple years and starved the earth's people. They knew more then than we do now.

@darthmaul216 Год назад

He’s not assuming. That’s what the evidence says. Also if something blocked the sun for multiple years it would show up in our genes as a genetic bottleneck

@Theballonist Год назад

11:45 You say “us”, but it’s not humanity doing it, is it? It’s BP, Exxon, Shell etc…

@davidjennings2179 Год назад

They aren't doing it just for the fun of it. The rest of us buy their products and so make it feasible for them to continue, we can't just pretend that we have no impact just because someone else's is greater.

@malashebad6181 Год назад

@@davidjennings2179 those companies actively suppressed research describing the problem itself for DECADES. Please spare us your weird neo-liberal blame shifting

@davidjennings2179 Год назад

@@malashebad6181 did you read what I said? Their blame is absolutely greater than the general population, I'm not shifting the blame off them, just saying that doesn't absolve the rest of humanity just because you want a scapegoat to make you feel better. Also not even sure you know what neoliberal means, are you just tacking it onto sentences to make yourself feel clever?

@conwaytwittyer2667 Год назад

*So that's why the Incans moved into the mountains, big ole' tsunamis.*

@kaptaink1959 Год назад

Can you name 5 areas of at least 10,000 sq miles that have been permanently harmed due to an increase in CO2?

@mdleavitt Год назад

"The difference is we caused it...?" You're insane.

@jacobcoburn7634 Год назад

Now there is a scientific argument is I ever heard it. "You're insane." Get the Nobel prize folks on the line, we have a verified once-in-a-generation genius on our hands. /s