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How the US Postal Service reads terrible handwriting 

Tom Scott
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At the Remote Encoding Center in Salt Lake City, keyers process 1.2 billion images of mail every year. It's a more difficult job than I thought.
Edited by Michelle Martin: / mrsmmartin
Thanks to Zack from JerryRigEverything for being the camera op: / jerryrigeverything
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@TomScottGo
@TomScottGo Год назад
That 1.2 billion images stat seemed unbelievable, but it makes sense when you break down the numbers: it works out to an average of 38 images per second, which is about right for the number of staff there!
@pancakesyrup8092
@pancakesyrup8092 Год назад
Damn dats crazy
@JustOasisYT
@JustOasisYT Год назад
wow
@che9y
@che9y Год назад
Yummy
@flexyclears
@flexyclears Год назад
12 days ago?
@PetraJohan
@PetraJohan Год назад
Nice
@IAmGrum
@IAmGrum Год назад
This is a rare job that is both of these things: 1. It gets harder every day. 2. It becomes less necessary every day.
@p_serdiuk
@p_serdiuk Год назад
Natural selection, only the best aren't laid off.
@DemsW
@DemsW Год назад
and you are the one making it harder and less necessary everyday by training the competition
@Max24871
@Max24871 Год назад
I would argue it gets more important, because what is rejected by today's automated system will almost certainly be completely illegible by the average person
@RossMitchellsProfile
@RossMitchellsProfile Год назад
I don't think it will ever become completely unneccessary, even if everyone standardised on a single type of label and formatting you'd still have the issue of labels becoming damaged in post for these folk to deal with.
@blumoogle2901
@blumoogle2901 Год назад
It's like cheques, eventually it gets so rare that they will just stop offering the service and leave the last few people still using it with no choice but to switch over to the new system or stop using it completely.
@tylerdean3489
@tylerdean3489 Год назад
Imagine doing a Captcha every 4 seconds for a living. Mad respect, I would go crazy.
@j_m_b_1914
@j_m_b_1914 Год назад
I remember when I played Tetris for hours on end I would stop and have the weirdest thoughts while looking at things and how my brain would try to force them together. Imagine what these people must dream about.
@SilverFlame819
@SilverFlame819 Год назад
You just run on auto-pilot while listening to podcasts and stuff. It's so simple. I loved that job!!
@leftylou6070
@leftylou6070 Год назад
I can picture the mointor flying across the room.
@AwesometownUSA
@AwesometownUSA Год назад
@@SilverFlame819 I worked at one that processed federal forms. Once the iPhone came out and you could store info/data on your media device, there was no more listening at work. Just the soul-crunching sound of keyboards clicking 8+ hours/day. I quickly went insane and had to find a new job haha
@dislikebutton1799
@dislikebutton1799 Год назад
I'd go postal!
@BW-81
@BW-81 Год назад
It makes sense now. Eliminating cursive writing from schools was just part of the U.S. Postal Service’s business strategy.
@king077
@king077 7 месяцев назад
​@@teamgeist3328in American public schools no, I haven't heard about anyone learning cursive in at least 15 years
@heliogen5959
@heliogen5959 7 месяцев назад
@@king077I learned it roughly 8-9 years ago.
@asdfssdfghgdfy5940
@asdfssdfghgdfy5940 7 месяцев назад
@@teamgeist3328tbh it seems kind of unnecessary to learn these days, except for maybe a little bit in primary school just so you know how it works. These days the only writing you usually have to do is block letters on a form. And my carpal tunnel is extremely thankful for that.
@savannahmapping2340
@savannahmapping2340 7 месяцев назад
​@@heliogen5959learned it 5 years ago
@miketheant1107
@miketheant1107 7 месяцев назад
​@@king077y tho 😭
@farrahupson
@farrahupson Год назад
Oh, wow. I worked at the Salt Lake REC for several years. Whenever this place comes up in the news, it's described as the place where bad handwriting is deciphered. But in my time there, I spent more time looking at printed addresses that for some reason couldn't be read by the automated systems than looking at handwritten addresses. Also, once you learn the rules, applying them becomes automatic and extremely fast. It's a fun job for the right person.
@j_m_b_1914
@j_m_b_1914 Год назад
If they were smart, they'd take a sample from REC and go back to the OCR setup and determine why it wasn't read properly. Either an OCR issue, package picture issue or something else going on. If most of the labels you fixed were printed, there is something very wrong with the OCR system.
@AndreWolski
@AndreWolski Год назад
@@j_m_b_1914 it was said in the video that they use the human input to improve the OCR.
@j_m_b_1914
@j_m_b_1914 Год назад
@@AndreWolski Apparently I need to improve my listening comprehension. Thanks!
@Utonian21
@Utonian21 Год назад
I live in Utah and I had no idea that place here!
@cursedGalataea
@cursedGalataea Год назад
My guess is, people started taping down or taping over top of the printed addresses, rather than glueing them, or the tape changed quality and was so reflective the scanners couldn't read them. I spend half my day fighting with taped over barcodes and scanners at the PO.
@TheBushdoctor68
@TheBushdoctor68 Год назад
About 40 years ago, I wanted to send a letter to a girl in America because she appeared in our Dutch newspaper for having saved a swan that was shot with an arrow. All I had was her first name, the name of her town and the picture from the newspaper, being an optimistic kid, I just glued the photo on the envelope, added her name and town, and to my amazement the letter got delivered: A few weeks later I received a thank-you note in return. Kudos to the US postal service.
@nullvoid3545
@nullvoid3545 Год назад
What sorcery is this?!?
@ianmchale770
@ianmchale770 Год назад
@@nullvoid3545 postal sorcery
@Malkontent1003
@Malkontent1003 Год назад
@@nullvoid3545 US Postal Service is one of the things the country has that works really well. Sure, it's slow sometimes, and convoluted rules are convoluted. But the letter will nearly always arrive.
@phoomphgaming5538
@phoomphgaming5538 Год назад
Dude? Wtf, where is my package 💀
@matthewviramontes3131
@matthewviramontes3131 Год назад
To: SAMANTHA, ARLINGTON 👱 From: STEVE 🤡
@chrayez
@chrayez Год назад
Only slightly-irrelevant, but I’m continually amused by the oft-repeated observation that the American “Post Office” delivers the mail, while the British “Royal Mail” delivers the post.
@tojiko6868
@tojiko6868 Год назад
Ah, the joys of language.
@pengwin_
@pengwin_ Год назад
sorta like how Americans say "Merry Christmas" and Brits say "Happy Christmas" you'd think it'd be the other way around.
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 Год назад
As 'Professor Higgins' was heard to say, "Why can't the English, speak English? Why in America, it hasn't been spoken for years..." :)
@Fireinthedarkness666
@Fireinthedarkness666 Год назад
Like how you park in a driveway and drive in a parkway.
@sheevinopalpatino4782
@sheevinopalpatino4782 Год назад
@@mikefochtman7164 Merry and Happy have both been used for many, many years m'lad.
@PocketBeemRocket
@PocketBeemRocket Год назад
I once carried mail in the rain, and pocketed a letter from a customer. The rain made it into my jacket during a hard pour and when I unloaded it at the station, I saw it was smudged. I asked the supervisor what I should do and he said “It still has a return address, let Salt Lake have a go at it”. I heard back that the customer got it through. The REC is amazing.
@Pudji.Toucan
@Pudji.Toucan Год назад
Benjamin Hernandez, I'm unsure, I think it's next Wednesday but it could be Thursday we said to meet up, sorry I forgot, can you remind me please mate. It was the big Tescos on the corner opposite the storage warehouses, right? Also, how is Alan doing? Send him my regards incase he can't make it next week! Cheers dude.
@edwelndiobel1567
@edwelndiobel1567 Год назад
I thought you said pickpocked a letter from a customer.
@GRosa
@GRosa Год назад
@@Pudji.Toucan 🤔
@Pudji.Toucan
@Pudji.Toucan Год назад
@@GRosa dude, this was 7 months ago, that opportunity has way passed, my friend. He turned up but it was Friday in the end, neither Wednesday or Thursday, but thanks mate, he called and we met on the Friday......7 months back 😏
@zootaxy7589
@zootaxy7589 7 месяцев назад
@@Pudji.Toucan are we still on for Tuesday next week
@Kyrrial
@Kyrrial Год назад
I worked at this exact REC from 2008-2009 as someone who did what Tom is learning here. You're expected to type at a MINIMUM of 7000 characters per hour (Ah, the specified 7150 later in the video), which can be very difficult to do because that only give you AT MOST about 2-3 seconds per piece of mail (they say ~4 seconds later, but you, as the keyer, choose the speed; you just get in trouble if you go past that 4s mark too much, because the scanners physically can't scan the next piece of mail until you finish the piece you're on). The training that Tom goes through lasts... a week or two? I can't remember exactly, but then you're sent out on the live floor and have three months of probation to hit that 7000 mark. If you don't meet that minimum, you're just let go when probation ends because, quite honestly, you are nothing more than a seat warmer there. I developed major tendonitis from working here, but they refused to pay workers comp unless I got a $4000 procedure done to prove that it was due to working there that caused it. And they wouldn't pay that $4000 if they saw any evidence that it could have been caused by something outside of my work. Not that outside factors DID cause it, but that outside factors COULD HAVE caused it. So I opted to go to college instead since that was almost a full years worth of tuition at a state university. Fun fact, mail from the Seattle, WA mail processing center was the clearest and easiest to read. I think they actually cleaned the camera on occasion; centers back east, particularly Worcester, MA, would have giant smears of ink on every single image that prevented reading any mail whatsoever, and they'd never do anything to try and clear up the camera. Also, it's not all handwritten mail that we'd see: very clear, printed addresses still couldn't be read sometimes, and only part of that was due to the address not being in that database of known addressed mentioned at the beginning of the video. Another fun fact: until recently, almost all addresses in Utah (or at least in the most populous county [Salt Lake County]), are a grid of N, E, S, W, so an address would be, like, 1350 W. 15600 S., and this stupid addressing encoding system wasn't designed for that, so the house number in this example is "1350", and the address portion is "W. 15600 S.". The 3+1 rude didn't really work well at all here, which was infuriating working at the SLC REC. Since almost everyone here writes the cardinal abbreviation, IIRC you'd do "W_ _S", and then have to pick from a list of ALL addresses that have the same house number and directions, but find the correct second number, of which there could be many. It's a stupid, rigid system, imho.
@user-njyzcip
@user-njyzcip Год назад
It's 2022, you'd think they'll simply serialise every letter that can't be OCR'd with a QR code or barcode if the worker can't process it in time and toss it into a secondary loop that will insert the letter a few minutes later, by which time it should be processed, instead of having it hold up all the mail behind it. Like, QR code isn't hard...
@Prirrie
@Prirrie Год назад
Did you get paid well?
@stephenwithaph1566
@stephenwithaph1566 Год назад
It looks like the pay is okay. The job search sites pin it at a median salary to slightly higher than median. Not enough to make up for what it does to your hands I'm sure.
@tommyb6611
@tommyb6611 Год назад
The moment they demand of you to scan and type every 4 seconds a new image and do it all the time should tell you it's slavery and abusive and no person should even go there. Let them computers handle it and then if the computers can't figure it, a person will physically check and slowly type and try to identify. Not to demand from some person to waste their mental health trying to keep up under 4 seconds reading weird text.
@CyranoHounds
@CyranoHounds Год назад
I worked at a REC too. It's tough work but the benefits were great. The training took 6 weeks. But once you pick it up you can code fast. I loved the Santa Claus and Easter bunny mail too. It all goes to a real place to be read and answered by real humans. I would still be doing it if they hadn't closed our REC.
@maxwhite4732
@maxwhite4732 Год назад
I like how from an outside perspective this seems like the less advanced side of mail management when 99% of it is done with literal walls of computers, but from an internal view the humans here are the most advanced handwriting interpreting systems available that the computers have to fall back on.
@bubbledoubletrouble
@bubbledoubletrouble Год назад
For some reason it reminds me of Asimov’s short story “The Feeling of Power”.
@esverker7018
@esverker7018 Год назад
As someone that does historical document work, this is very striking sometimes. As powerful as computers are, nothing does pattern recognition and problem-solving like the human brain. I've transcribed many letters that were over 200 years old that a computer had no hope of parsing (shout out to Zachary Taylor's terrible handwriting). When myself and these folks lose our jobs is when computers have really outstripped us.
@wasdwasd609
@wasdwasd609 Год назад
Only remedy for crappy human error is more humans.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Год назад
The human brain is the most powerful computer there is.
@SamSitar
@SamSitar Год назад
i enjoyed it too,
@lthomsenrig
@lthomsenrig Год назад
I can't believe that every time a doctor writes a letter it goes through this processing facility. Fascinating!
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Год назад
They actually have a separate wing of the building that's dedicated entirely to doctor's handwriting. It takes their best workers.
@PhattyMo
@PhattyMo Год назад
@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 It's staffed by ex-pharmacists.
@thes7754
@thes7754 Год назад
@@PhattyMo i was about to say the same thing
@thes7754
@thes7754 Год назад
@@PhattyMo those guys can literally make meaning out of squiggles
@vintagethrifter2114
@vintagethrifter2114 Год назад
They can tell if it's a doctor's handwriting or if someone is having a stroke.
@thedoublek4816
@thedoublek4816 Год назад
I am an archivist and therefore, reading handwriting is one the key skills required for the job. However, I bow down in awe in regards to the speed at which those people are parsing the adresses. I could never achieve that. I am happy to have the luxury of taking as much time as I need for a proper transcription. Also, I should point out that I work in Germany and the old German cursive is both a joy to read and an infuriating experience at some times. Trying to transcribe stuff from the 19th century is still easier than medieval writing by many orders of magnitude.
@aobunau
@aobunau Год назад
now try reading armenian
@beckerderbacker4976
@beckerderbacker4976 Год назад
I had to transcribe my ancestor's late 19th century German registry of marriage. It wasn't Sütterlin but it was close and it was hard to do. Took me quite a while!
@ViperhawkX
@ViperhawkX Год назад
At least it's not Cyrillic cursive, that stuff is downright unreadable even when it's done carefully.
@secretforreddit
@secretforreddit Год назад
@@ViperhawkX It's so much fun to write, though!
@Leofwine
@Leofwine Год назад
I can read and write medieval scripts (except maybe the worst cursive styles), 19th century German cursive, Sütterlin and Spencerian handwriting. I'm apparently good enough that a friend of mine, who works at an archive, regularly asks me to transcribe stuff for him - as a second opinion/failsafe.
@Neko-ye6lc
@Neko-ye6lc Год назад
I work here and the speed is actually easier than you think. Those examples were so legible! My favorite is cursive and backwards letters/numbers on top of bad hand writing. Now that’s hard. XD
@pa1Z
@pa1Z Год назад
How long did it take you to get a comfortable speed without thinking about it too much?
@jonbongjovi1869
@jonbongjovi1869 Год назад
what about if we draw ART on the envelopes? Can the optical scanners get around this? I always love to draw art or cartoons and even word bubbles!
@demonlordd9079
@demonlordd9079 Год назад
Would've been cool if you included a "master" doing it to see how fast they do it
@julianw1010
@julianw1010 Год назад
Not really
@chapystick_
@chapystick_ Год назад
Would have to blur the entire screen so you wouldn’t really be able to tell 😕
@thek3317
@thek3317 Год назад
@@chapystick_ they could have had to master do the test letters as well
@t3lls
@t3lls Год назад
@@chapystick_ A professional could have done the demo Tom did... :)
@elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@@thek3317 did you consider maybe they need the 'master' doing their job?
@JustMe-ks8qc
@JustMe-ks8qc Год назад
Top tip from an ex-postie in the UK: Don't use red envelopes, but if you do, always write the address on a white sticker or label and attach that. The lasers that read the address can't pick up the writing so well with a red background. They have a similar problem with metallic envelopes, so the sticker rule applies here, too. If they can't be read by machine, they have to be hand sorted, and this potentially adds days to the delivery time. We would get lorry loads at Christmas and Valentine's, and we were just an average sized town. Also, always put a return address, even if it is just your house number and postcode. That simple act could save your item from being permanently lost if the delivery address is damaged/defaced/missing.
@Call-me-Al
@Call-me-Al Год назад
Thank you!
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm Год назад
Gives people a job though.
@MGSLurmey
@MGSLurmey Год назад
@@Robert-cu9bm Ah yes "Keep doing things poorly so people still have jobs!"
@JustMe-ks8qc
@JustMe-ks8qc Год назад
@@Call-me-Al Happy to help😀
@gaelansteele9224
@gaelansteele9224 Год назад
I've never understood why return addresses never caught on in the UK - we always do a full return address in the top left in the US.
@SilverFlame819
@SilverFlame819 Год назад
Why am I watching a video about the REC? This is literally the best job I've ever had. I miss that job so much. Great bosses, nobody breathing down your neck, listening to music or podcasts your entire shift... If my health hadn't taken a long jump off a short pier, I'd still be there.
@CreditSolutionist
@CreditSolutionist Год назад
Omg, same! I always tell people that the most fun job I ever had was when I was at the REC in the 2000s. It's good to see someone else who loved that job as much as I did!
@pacefka
@pacefka Год назад
Great bosses??? You must have worked at a good REC. Most of the ones at mine were assholes. Luckily my personal ones were nice.
@SilverFlame819
@SilverFlame819 Год назад
@@pacefka There is only one REC in the country now...
@imzjustplayin
@imzjustplayin 8 месяцев назад
If you paid attention, there used to be 55 of them back in 1997.@@SilverFlame819
@barkbark5645
@barkbark5645 Год назад
I will be hand writing my mail as bad as possible to keep these people in a job.
@mrmistermelom
@mrmistermelom Год назад
They still do it nevertheless
@captainkeyboard1007
@captainkeyboard1007 Год назад
Those people are the American Best. They make my mail go 80 words per minute faster than eight seconds of a telephone call. I do send conventional mail by keyboarding it and printing it out from my color laser printer. I am blessed that I learned typewriting when I was 12 years old.
@n646n
@n646n 3 месяца назад
@@captainkeyboard1007 color laser printer 🤓
@captainkeyboard1007
@captainkeyboard1007 3 месяца назад
That would be a great thing if people would learn how to keyboard.
@tunafeesh
@tunafeesh Год назад
I love that this guy genuinely likes his job. He seems very happy to tell everyone how it works. So refreshing!
@rickross9829
@rickross9829 Год назад
He probably doesn't have to do the job we see in the video anymore.
@justinbombach9873
@justinbombach9873 Год назад
Well it's probably not often that somebody comes to record a RU-vid video about his job...
@__Razer
@__Razer Год назад
@@rickross9829 You're probably right and that's where he can find the enthusiasm to talk about it.
@XxZigonxX
@XxZigonxX Год назад
because he is the boss, data processing is the most tedious and annoying job i could never do that
@lordday7272
@lordday7272 Год назад
I doubt the actual employees have much fun. Fast data entry gets old real fast, though I'm sure there are some people who like it.
@9thstreet
@9thstreet Год назад
I did this as a temp job for the Christmas season like 15 years ago. For an anti-social computer nerd it was almost a dream job, pop on some headphones and just mash buttons for 8 hours. At the time the money wasn't bad either, somewhere in the $14/hour range as a transitional employee (temp). I got offered a full time spot a couple months after the season ended but turned it down, which ended up being a good move as they closed the facility just before the next holiday season. As mind numbing as it looks, eventually your brain just keys in on the specific spots you need to check and you button mash your way through it in a blur. The days actually flew by most of the time.
@eddiew2325
@eddiew2325 Год назад
At the end of the day I still feel like I should've been there to witness history. But I tell ya the experience is well worth the cost
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 Год назад
what's your job today?
@snazzyjovialwyrm3314
@snazzyjovialwyrm3314 Год назад
That's pattern recognition for you. The average human brain is extremely advance at pattern recognition, to the point of making up patterns where they don't exist.
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 Год назад
@@snazzyjovialwyrm3314 what do you mean? hallucinations, shizophrenia, seeing faces in patterns of stone/wall? or did you think about conspiracy theories? heh...
@pinkajou656
@pinkajou656 Год назад
@@ivok9846 well all of those are valid examples of that exact thing
@chhite7590
@chhite7590 Год назад
I can only imagine just how soul draining this job might be. Whenever you're not on break, you're on constant vigilance and work to keep up a tight pace.
@crushmonkey801
@crushmonkey801 Год назад
Micro Management
@SithLord2064
@SithLord2064 8 месяцев назад
It's not just the pace that's an issue. Rules change constantly. Management micro managing every little thing. Unknown audits every week checking your precision, then catching hell if your accuracy drops below 98%. Tracking every break to the millisecond, so you don't have management breathing down your neck about your schedule adherence. Boredom from repetitive mail types. (PARS Mail Class, for example). When my REC turned into a Customer Care Center and we started taking phone calls instead of keying mail, I was so relieved. Got a pay increase, and didn't have to continue the mindless drudgery of the REC. Former Glendale/Wichita REC employee
@PinkHairDontCare
@PinkHairDontCare Месяц назад
Soul-draining, micro-management, constant new information and change of rules, all true. I've worked two very similar jobs and they drain you. I've worked other terrible jobs but these kind are the most mind-numbing, and they also forbid you from listening to music or podcasts to pass the time. At least with doing this same work at the USPS there is a sense of purpose since you're trying to help people send and receive mail. Data entry can be fine, you just need plenty of breaks to stretch and walk, and the freedom to listen to something to pass the time, but most places won't allow that.
@beccabbea2511
@beccabbea2511 Год назад
I have actually done something called ‘reverse indexing' that teaches a computer to read handwriting in old records. This speeds up the indexing of census records in particular allowing the records to be released earlier. Computer recognition is getting more and more sophisticated. It’s amazing to see it in action, even if it’s briefly.
@martinkeegan270
@martinkeegan270 Год назад
Aha! I did the data ingest management of the UK and US censuses for a big genealogy website, along with a couple of thousand other datasets, and I always wondered how they got the transcriptions I was receiving!
@davidwilkinson2234
@davidwilkinson2234 Год назад
I work there! got to talk to Tom for a minute after he filmed this one, super nice guy. Thanks for coming.
@Treemaster16
@Treemaster16 Год назад
Nice
@byever1
@byever1 Год назад
Remove Joe Biden from office
@crushmonkey801
@crushmonkey801 Год назад
Lucky you! Tom was the Chair for his university's Student Union, but the Union at the REC was denied even access to welcome him. Management flat out refused.
@Hayhaycat0908
@Hayhaycat0908 Год назад
I’ve worked in this very building for most of my 18 year career. It’s definitely not for everyone, but I love this crazy organization! This video is the best one I have seen yet. You are a lot of fun to watch and Ryan does such a great job of explaining how the technology works. He’s a computer nerd to his core. 😊 Really great video!
@kosaelectronics
@kosaelectronics Год назад
Ohh, now I see why my mail was never delivered to Santa
@CosmoDrazi
@CosmoDrazi Год назад
I used to work there. As soon as newbies get out of probation, they're allowed to listen to music/podcasts on personal headphones so it's not as mind-numbing as people assume. After enough experience it became easy to enter a state of flow and breeze through a workday while I jammed out to my custom playlist. One image every four seconds on average was more than achievable when most images only need five keystrokes to process. The down-side is that they were perpetually understaffed to the point that mandatory 12-hour shifts three or four days per week became the norm every week for two and a half years. Turnover rates were exceptionally high. The HR department didn't expect anyone to have a life outside of work and treated everyone like interchangeable and disposable cogs in the machine. The only time off I was allowed to take was to attend funerals. Any attempts to get my schedule changed were met with deflection, diversion, and denial. I'd probably still be there working (mostly) happily if HR hadn't attempted to transfer me to graveyard shift in a different facility despite my recorded disapproval. Don't get me wrong; The pay was good and I found the work enjoyable for my personality type. However, the bureaucratic upper management was a nightmare. As the old saying goes, "you don't quit jobs; you quit bosses."
@whiskey_pink_42
@whiskey_pink_42 Год назад
So you made career and quit? Unfortunately too common. They used to let you skip the promotion and remain a PSE if you wanted.
@marshmelows
@marshmelows Год назад
Thanks for sharing this. It adds up perfectly to the video!
@thedavesiknow4598
@thedavesiknow4598 Год назад
Usps refers to employees as "human capital".
@SilverFlame819
@SilverFlame819 Год назад
Youch! I worked there too, and I LOVED it. We only had mandatory overtime usually near the holidays. My boss was AWESOME!
@avacurtis2729
@avacurtis2729 Год назад
What happens if you guys still can't read it? Does it get thrown out?
@tbotalpha8133
@tbotalpha8133 Год назад
This reminds me of something Terry Pratchett wrote into one of his Discworld novels. The Ankh-Morpork Postal Service had a Dead Letter Office, which dealt with mail that was addressed... creatively, let's say, by the frequently lazy, illiterate and/or insane citizens of Ankh-Morpork. The joke being that the staff weren't just reading illegible addresses, but also interpreting the vague details to figure out where the sender actually intended the letter to go. The people employed in the Office were noted for being particularly sharp; the kinds of people who would complete cryptic crosswords in their heads for fun.
@sianthesheep
@sianthesheep Год назад
I thought of this too and now I'm wondering if Terry came up with the Dead Letter Office independently, or whether he was inspired real life Dead Letter Offices like this one! Knowing his immense knowledge of obscure things I would chance the latter!
@tbotalpha8133
@tbotalpha8133 Год назад
@@sianthesheep Almost certainly the latter. The Discworld novels are full of references to things in real life, though Pratchett obviously pushed the idea of a Dead Letter Office just a step further into comic absurdity.
@wendinicolemunson492
@wendinicolemunson492 Год назад
This is EXACTLY where my mind went!
@NoLongerBreathedIn
@NoLongerBreathedIn Год назад
"Duzbuns Hopsit Pfarrmerc" = "K. Whistler Bakery, 4 Pigsty Ln", according to Lord Vetinari (there being three bakeries that could be described as opposite a pharmacy, but only Whistler does buns.)
@monicasmalley3336
@monicasmalley3336 Год назад
@@NoLongerBreathedIn This is exactly the example I was trying to think of, but I couldn't remember the last word. Thanks Eyal :)
@IHWKR
@IHWKR Год назад
Assuming all 810 employees process 1.2 billion images per year and accounting for weekends and federal holidays and no vacations this branch processes over 5,900 images per person per day. Knowing that not all employees actually process these images and providing vacations raises this number even higher. If the average time a letter is on the screen then you're looking at over 7200 letters per day per employee while keeping a recently 120 keystrokes per minute. Kudos to those employees! Side note at 2:45 I never knew all those street suffixes existed.
@Oboak
@Oboak Год назад
Watching this to reassure myself that my grandmas mail will get to its destination
@Oboak
@Oboak Год назад
Update: not sure how her mail EVER makes it’s way to the receiver 😂
@misaloelric2455
@misaloelric2455 Год назад
Another update
@The359
@The359 Год назад
As a USPS Automation Clerk and On The Job Instructor who regularly runs and assists DIOSS and AFCS machines, it's amazing to finally see what the REC site is like. They do fantastic work to get rejected mail turned around back into readable, barcoded mail in only a few hours.
@Okanoggin
@Okanoggin Год назад
Do you know if the OCR they use is commercial or proprietary? I am mostly just curious if all the manual work put in also helps the ocr program learn. I work for a startup doing some very similar work and this is incredibly intriguing.
@the_wretched
@the_wretched Год назад
If only the USPS did a fantastic job of being a good place to work for...
@incognitoburrito6020
@incognitoburrito6020 Год назад
@@the_wretched Maybe if someone stopped cutting their funding they could make some improvements
@publiusvalerius8934
@publiusvalerius8934 Год назад
@@Okanoggin OCR like this is likely available to companies like Ancestry that pores through millions of handwritten words per day from even worse conditions. I have a feeling a lot of proprietary work goes on for the USPS and Ancestry
@vysharra
@vysharra Год назад
@@incognitoburrito6020 they don’t get funding, they’re self-funded. The issue is they haven’t been allowed to raise rates after asking many times and they have been forced to fund retirement for postal workers who haven’t been born yet.
@raydunakin
@raydunakin Год назад
I can't even imagine how it's possible to do this job as quickly and accurately as required, but I'm sure glad there are people who can do it.
@myxzlabs5635
@myxzlabs5635 Год назад
The job isn't for us
@zyeborm
@zyeborm Год назад
My brain is leaking out my ears just thinking about it
@halbarber3
@halbarber3 Год назад
If you are ADHD like me, this job is a nightmare. I trained for 2 weeks and hated every minute of it.
@eg1885
@eg1885 Год назад
I can't imagine doing it 8 hours per day, 5 days a week. I would want to rip my eyes out.
@myxzlabs5635
@myxzlabs5635 Год назад
@@eg1885 ur parent did that
@stopmikeandjim3196
@stopmikeandjim3196 Год назад
I worked at one of these 20 years ago. It's mind numbing work. Typing nearly nonstop your entire shift
@Milesco
@Milesco Год назад
It would drive me crazy.
@beet6796
@beet6796 6 месяцев назад
this job seems soul crushing
@darxmurf
@darxmurf Год назад
"we have 3 fiber optic lines coming into the building at different points..." I know a datacenter who had the same kind of setup, unfortunately, all the fibers ended in the same pipe a few kilometers away and a machine broke this pipe 😀
@nickcollins1052
@nickcollins1052 Год назад
Objective Failed. Successfully.
@charlottevixen9222
@charlottevixen9222 Год назад
oh gosh... this is exactly why they are meant to diverge and not be together at any point (used to be a telecomms technician in a DC) same thing applies incide DCs as outside.
@AleksandrStrizhevskiy
@AleksandrStrizhevskiy Год назад
Comcast lost service to all of South West Florida for several hours one day. On one hand they got it resolved in less than a day which is a major relief. On the other hand, how does and entire region lose service like that? Reminded me of the 2003 East Coast Blackout.
@darxmurf
@darxmurf Год назад
@@charlottevixen9222 Absolutely, unfortunately, you never know how providers are managing their lines. In this situation, the DataCenter had different lines from different providers, everything was well planned...
@williamjenkins4913
@williamjenkins4913 Год назад
I was wondering about that. Most ISPs have contracts to share infrastructure.
@hippiemcfake6364
@hippiemcfake6364 Год назад
Cool topic, but a few things I'd have loved to see: 1. The difficult examples you guys kept mentioning 2. A pro doing it 3. How do the people there like their job? To me it seems soul crushing but maybe they enjoy the flow state? 4. What's the bottleneck for automated processing? Machine learning has gotten so good that I wonder what kind of image can be processed in four second by a human but not by a machine given that there are billions of training examples.
@thesteelrodent1796
@thesteelrodent1796 Год назад
the OCR can only recognize handwriting that resembles letters, but anything written in script can turn into an endless line of waves which the machine simply can't read. And funny enough, as we write stuff less and less by hand the average person's handwriting gets continuously worse which makes it more and more challenging for computers to read the mail
@hippiemcfake6364
@hippiemcfake6364 Год назад
@@thesteelrodent1796 that would have been the case a few years ago, but machine learning based image processing/computer vision has become incredibly good to the point where it can match or exceed experienced doctors at interpreting medical images, even when they only had a few thousand images to train the model on. With billions of examples to train on, you'd be surprised how well models can perform.
@TheBauwssss
@TheBauwssss Год назад
very simple example: CAPTCHA with word, or character sequence recognition from an incredibly convoluted and difficult to distinguish (e.g. low contrast) printed version of that same word or character sequence.
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat Год назад
The reason they can't show pros at work is because of the same privacy reasons that Tom states at the start. It's also probably illegal to do that. Same for actual samples to be shown. As for tougher examples, that would probably entail some training before taking the test, which Tom obviously did not have time to step through.
@hippiemcfake6364
@hippiemcfake6364 Год назад
@@xmlthegreat Sure they also have more difficult training examples? That's what I understood them to be talking about. Those can be shown.
@Jynxedlove
@Jynxedlove Год назад
My dad worked in LaGuardia as a mail processor and union rep. I remember as a child there was so much mail going through there and it seemed like it was all being hand sorted. I can't believe that it has gotten so automated since I was a kid, but it also makes perfect sense. The used to be shouting locations out as they threw the packages to each other to get them on the right conveyor belts.
@tvm73836
@tvm73836 Год назад
I’m so proud that my professor, the late Dr. Sargur Srihari of Computer Science department at SUNY Buffalo, was responsible for the amazing OCR that Ryan Bollock referred to. He was considered a pioneer in this space. The USPS funded our lab. So the core of the USPS was invented right here in the good old US of A 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
@JurgenErhard
@JurgenErhard Год назад
By someone born in good old India. ;-)
@tvm73836
@tvm73836 Год назад
@@JurgenErhard Yes Sir, and he was very proud of that fact. His Bio is still up on the SUNY Buffalo site. He and his team have several U.S. Patents in this space including Patent # 5,321,768.
@crushmonkey801
@crushmonkey801 Год назад
Fun Fact: There is only one Clerk at the SLC REC actually trained in OCR and FontPlus Certified :D
@jameswon3254
@jameswon3254 Год назад
Wow! My mind is blown that there is still one left. I retired in 2000 as a technician babysitting this system at Chula Vista, CA on graveyard shift. We were shutdown in phase two as handwriting recognition software improved. When I was working, 300 operators were idle. Best job I ever had in the USPS.
@Elliot9874
@Elliot9874 Год назад
What did you do after? Profession?
@handsoffmycactus2958
@handsoffmycactus2958 Год назад
@@Elliot9874 he said he retired in 2000? Are you blind.
@spencer2220
@spencer2220 Год назад
@@handsoffmycactus2958 No need to be rude.
@CadillacDriver
@CadillacDriver Год назад
@@spencer2220 there is. People need to comprehend things.
@Washo1903
@Washo1903 Год назад
@@CadillacDriver Retiring doesn't necessarily mean that somebody never gets another job, just that they left that one.
@aaron-hsu86
@aaron-hsu86 Год назад
I kinda wished we could have seen how quickly an employee does this. Even if you couldn't have filmed an employee there working, a demonstration by Ryan going through the training material would have sufficed. I know I felt, just watching Tom's speed, "I could have done the same with my own keyboard," so I really wanted to see the difference between the average person and someone trained for the job. Still, very cool to see.
@ArchangelSteve
@ArchangelSteve Год назад
Over here in the UK our minimum was 7,500 keystrokes per hour.
@ToyKeeper
@ToyKeeper Год назад
7150 keystrokes per hour, for 8 hours? Wow. That's 57k keystrokes per day... which is roughly double my daily average as a programmer who works and communicates almost entirely in text. Sure, I have days where I get close to 100k total, but my average is only 28k or so. I spend most of my time thinking rather than actually typing, and even then, my hands still hurt occasionally.
@jinglemyberries866
@jinglemyberries866 Год назад
@@ArchangelSteve carpal tunnel syndrome must be common in that profession
@Freya_Blue
@Freya_Blue Год назад
Flaw in that would be he's seen the training material before so he'd be even quicker.
@jimmypatton4982
@jimmypatton4982 Год назад
@@Freya_Blue even if they only had one set of training material. (Which is unlikely, because they just spoiled some of it on this RU-vid video). Take the person that has been working for 5 years and hasn’t needed remedial training. (Since their job trains them on how to do their job, doubt this training would be done annually or anything). Not sure about you, but I certainly don’t remember what some mail said 5 years ago.
@valeriepark9444
@valeriepark9444 Год назад
Loving how the most re-watched portion of the video is of the "Where to send letters to Santa Claus" sign
@Foxtrotopia
@Foxtrotopia Год назад
Besides the fact that this actual job is insane, it's also really insane that the computer systems are now so good that it only takes 810 people to read the horrible handwriting of 330,000,000 people
@Boost00130
@Boost00130 Год назад
I did this job for the Royal Mail for a short time. The training was brutal because of the speed you had to process them. The upside was that we were mandated a 10 minute break every hour
@ArchangelSteve
@ArchangelSteve Год назад
I did it for over a decade mate, those eye breaks kept me sane.
@lordjelly7194
@lordjelly7194 Год назад
Got to love those eyebreaks. Just enough time to run down for a cig before the next stint. Plus audiobooks and podcasts
@Boost00130
@Boost00130 Год назад
@@lordjelly7194 we used to take out 10 minutes right before our lunch break.
@danwoodward23
@danwoodward23 Год назад
And the kids santa letters
@esverker7018
@esverker7018 Год назад
No for real, I do similar stuff in academia (transcribing/annotating really old documents) and the mental exhaustion is crazy. I feel locked in my own mind if I don't stop and go look at something else.
@PenumbralVT
@PenumbralVT Год назад
It's thanks to these guys that doctors can send any mail at all, the true heroes of the modern world
@kobzyy
@kobzyy Год назад
especially the different wing for doctor's handwriting and doctor's letters
@EdgyShooter
@EdgyShooter Год назад
@Maxx B. Hmm is that two tablets every 7 hours or 7 tablets ever two hours...
@doantranvan1844
@doantranvan1844 Год назад
ok
@threadEvent
@threadEvent Год назад
This is... Really cool. I love that it shows the U.S. Post Office is actually incredibly innovative, and really always has been for such a large country with so much rural landscape to cover - yet here we are, with politicians actively trying to destroy and privatize one of the pillars of communication and economy (yes, economy. Many Post Offices used to double as banks backed by the Federal Government for rural communites that didn't have access to major private institutions.)
@blitzalex4142
@blitzalex4142 Год назад
Every teacher that has had to correct an exam of mine would be employee of the month here
@mattlampe
@mattlampe Год назад
Tom's ability to get interviews and demonstrations at these obscure places always amazes me!
@MarcelVos
@MarcelVos Год назад
I think obscure places are actually more likely to give interviews as they less way fewer requests. I'm not particularly amazed by him getting this interview. However, things like the Red Arrows are definitely amazing and a testament to Tom's awesome RU-vid career.
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 Год назад
He has mentioned a few times that people will call him up and ask him if he wants to come see something interesting.
@JohnRay1969
@JohnRay1969 Год назад
Most places of business are willing to give tours or limited demonstrations upon request. They don't necessarily have "open house" day but if you are interested and ask they will schedule a tour or explanation of their mission and process. Most people just don't ask because they don't realize it could be possible.
@MrDannyDetail
@MrDannyDetail Год назад
All saying that he presumably couldn't persuade Royal Mail to let him see their very similar version of this centre (I think in Sheffield?), so had to go to the expense of travelling to the US instead.
@el_dani
@el_dani Год назад
Throw him an interesting bone and he will message you directly (or his staff)!
@ieuan4real
@ieuan4real Год назад
I actually did this job for Royal Mail as a Christmas Temp in my second year of university (did night shifts whilst attending lectures, tough). And what they say about pace and accuracy at the end is really true. Royal Mail always tracked your letters processed per hour (the minimum was 750 letters per hour iirc, and people were let go if they didn't make it) and sampled your letters to ensure your accuracy was to standard (can't remember now, but I think it was over 80%?). I only did it for two months but peaked at 1500 letters per hour (or about 25 letters a minute, so nearly 1 every 2 seconds) with over 95% accuracy. The concentration required was tough, especially as there were multiple things that had their own shortcuts you had to remember. (plus certain countries, like the US, China and India, paid for us to process their letters before they left the UK so you had to learn THEIR postal rules as well.) But I actually kind of enjoyed it. (And yes, if it was a slow night we did read your postcards haha.) This video brought back alot of memories of those night shifts and I can very much relate! Even if their rules were a little different. Thanks! :)
@Meimoons
@Meimoons Год назад
Read the postcards?? Like the outside of it, if there was a message written outside the envelope?
@kinoko384
@kinoko384 Год назад
@@Meimoons Postcards aren't sent in envelopes. The address is written on the same side of the message.
@ieuan4real
@ieuan4real Год назад
@@Meimoons as said by kinoko, postcards are not sent in envelopes. There is the picture on one side and then the other side you write the address and your message.
@StephenEden
@StephenEden Год назад
I did this too when I was at uni! I worked nights at the plymouth Mdec centre, great pay if I remember correctly. At least I know why there are this orange dots on some letters now.
@guthabanglasdash8641
@guthabanglasdash8641 Год назад
Thank you for service to your queen and the crown from A Yank in the states across the pond
@MethosTR
@MethosTR Год назад
I did a somewhat similar job to this, except it was data conversion at the IRS, transcribing paper tax returns into the ISRP system. It seems mind numbingly boring at the beginning, but after your training when you get the live work, it becomes much easier and quicker for your brain to get into a groove. The training has a lot of challenging and complex scenarios to prep you for just about anything you might encounter on someone's taxes, but for the most part the live work was really easy, with only a couple pages in each tax form for the majority of the work. I remember the days flying by, as I would sit at my workstation listening to music or a good podcast, only getting up for a break or lunch. It was one of the easiest and chill jobs I've ever done, and I'd do it again if I could.
@blueninja115
@blueninja115 Год назад
As someone with terrible handwriting and often end up botching the address and having to write over letters, thank you for your service
@Jazzled
@Jazzled Год назад
As someone working for a department in US State gov, it's a bit therapeutic to see someone having to interact with the particular kind of weird quirks state/fed systems and processes have.
@PsychCaptain
@PsychCaptain Год назад
I totally feel the same.
@PrograError
@PrograError Год назад
at least it's not coders handling code for the 30s computer which uses some dead language on the level of Latin...
@Jazzled
@Jazzled Год назад
@@PrograError This hits too close to my day job pains. 😭 Change in business process vs change in legacy system design. No one wants to be the one to change (understandably).
@PrograError
@PrograError Год назад
@@Jazzled hey at least just remember that even the almighty US military uses a jumbotron hard disk from the 60s, similar to the save icon you'd see in Word, GTA Vice City, if you were feeling despair of your management...
@whiskey_pink_42
@whiskey_pink_42 Год назад
Lowest bidder/made in the 90’s?? Yep. It’s a quasi federal job but we still follow federal rules on purchasing. There’s chairs we got in the 60’s that are still in use.
@playdeebug4400
@playdeebug4400 Год назад
i worked at one of these facilities in the 90’s in texas. Our location processed all mail going in and out of colorado. You had to train for 2 weeks learning the short cuts for zip codes and street addresses. Once you started encoding real mail.. your computer was randomly monitored to check your accuracy. If, by the end of the month you had something like a 97% accuracy.. you would get a bonus. I was obsessed with being fast an accurate so I had a friend write a program in javascript that mimicked the program at work. I would practice for hours at home. all in all.. it was a fun job
@AdamLaMore
@AdamLaMore Год назад
Hell, I'd play that game for free. Have you ever played Papers Please? At it's heart it's about processing immigration paperwork and identifying discrepancies and errors (there's a story on top of that as well).
@whiskey_pink_42
@whiskey_pink_42 Год назад
Beaumont?
@albertbatfinder5240
@albertbatfinder5240 Год назад
100% agree. Certain brains (yours and mine!) get a minor buzz out of solving problems quickly, accurately and efficiently. That’s what’s going on here.
@bzqp2
@bzqp2 Год назад
Jeez, it's like playing a trucker sim in your free time after driving a truck for 12 hours.
@FAT9L
@FAT9L Год назад
@@albertbatfinder5240 that's me as well. Nothing wrong with it, the creatives need us as much as we need them.
@a24396
@a24396 Год назад
I'm so impressed by the post office. Everytime I think I have all the information I need to justify my amazement over the job they do I learn more, and it just blows my mind!
@alextheasparagus6675
@alextheasparagus6675 Год назад
I'm a postman in Sweden, and at my office we get mail from a central processing terminal which we hand sort to the individual adresses and then deliver them. I've always wondered how the machine reads really unclear handwriting and still manages to send it to the correct post office! I don't know if it's the same here, but maybe it's something similar. Very cool.
@deeser
@deeser Год назад
An old teacher of mine once got a Christmas card addressed to "Mr Hall, House with big brown dog, Oxfordshire, England" sent from ex-student of his in Zimbabwe - recognised the handwriting -and accepted it. Only took a week and a half from being sent to arrival and the Postie won a crate of beer for getting it right. Beat that, computers! :)
@ameliauhh
@ameliauhh Год назад
I wonder how they were able to figure it out? Amazing!!
@googiegress7459
@googiegress7459 Год назад
@@ameliauhh Probably searched for Hall in the customer list to come up with a few candidates, and phoned the letter carrier(s) who would have delivered to those addresses and asked them if any of those specific houses had a big brown dog. If you get it down to just one, show the customer the handwriting - in this case, Duncan said recognizing the handwriting made the teacher accept it. These days, they'd just pull up your Citizen Profile and look for social media posts with DOG,LARGE,BROWN photos coupled with large volumes of dog food purchased using his store loyalty cards.
@achim8239
@achim8239 Год назад
@@googiegress7459 Years ago, a guy I studied with worked as a mailman in the summer. He said that he was handed a booklet where he was to note down all relevant information for each address (such as "letter box moved to side entrance", "beware of dog", "no door bell, knock if you need someone to sign sth."). Valuable source of information.
@ytbvdshrtnr
@ytbvdshrtnr Год назад
@@achim8239 Reminds me of the book Nick Burkhardt always had to check in Grimm to figure out how to deal with the Wesen of the week
@is-yn6jf
@is-yn6jf Год назад
There's a pen pal service running from Dubbo in regional Australia for isolated people that started during lockdown, and they've shared some addresses from people who've just kind of heard of them and that they run from that town, really sweet and amazing that they arrive
@KitKhat
@KitKhat Год назад
The United States Postal Service does a lot of work to ensure that mail goes where it needs to! And they're funded through revenue from stamps and service fees.... so if you'd like to support the USPS, they have an online store where they sell stamps (of course) as well as collectors items, cards, puzzles, toys, and even clothes! :D
@ConWolfDoubleO7
@ConWolfDoubleO7 Год назад
I also suggest the USPS museum if you're ever in D.C.! Its a great museum and the history is very interesting.
@CaptainHalyard
@CaptainHalyard Год назад
@@ConWolfDoubleO7 Agreed. When I was passing through D.C. a couple years back, I had a fairly large backpack with me. The postal museum was one of the only museums in the area which allowed you to bring backpacks of that size in with you, and it turned out to be a far more interesting experience than I had been expecting (the original plan was to visit the Smithsonian, which I'd still like to do one day). A very pleasant surprise indeed, especially learning about how they delivered mail in the earliest days of the postal service. Definitely worth a visit :)
@divinecomedian2
@divinecomedian2 Год назад
And funded by tax dollars. Gee, sure am glad to subsidize the 95% of my mail that's complete junk.
@BenKurtovic
@BenKurtovic Год назад
@@divinecomedian2 "The Postal Service generally receives no tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations."
@romangagg5328
@romangagg5328 Год назад
@@BenKurtovic as a letter carrier, it's always funny when a customer red facedly yells "I pay taxes for your paycheck, so do what I say" with some unreasonable demand
@masongaston1171
@masongaston1171 Год назад
As an employee who works in an distro center in automation, finally learning what OCR means and what happened to the clear mail going to the reject bin is very satisfying, thank you.
@Samantha-pn4zk
@Samantha-pn4zk 8 месяцев назад
So this is how every one of my husband's letters is processed. Fascinating! Just wish I had that technology to read his grocery lists.
@tedioustotoro4885
@tedioustotoro4885 Год назад
I love how, at 3:59, there’s just randomly art from the game ‘Lovers in a Dangerous Space Time’ on the screen. Probably just the employee personalising their dashboard.
@ethan-loves
@ethan-loves Год назад
Good eye!
@chappuis73
@chappuis73 Год назад
Wow, nice catch! I loved this game and certainly didn't expect to see a reference to it like that
@knife-dog6070
@knife-dog6070 Год назад
i saw that too lmao
@potupchik
@potupchik Год назад
That was actually put there by Ryan Bullock, the guy being interviewed. He created that workbook, so he adds little pictures there with every update to it.
@ryanbullock2971
@ryanbullock2971 Год назад
It's true what Potupchik said; I put new cartoon or video game characters in the middle of that workbook to get the supervisors' attention when I've made a change. When you hover the mouse over it, a description of what's new appears. Good catch Tedious Totoro. I like playing that game with my kids.
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays Год назад
I'd imagine this is a lot more difficult if you weren't raised in the US. It didn't occur to me until watching this, how much culture impacts place names, and by extension, what we expect places to be named. He says "you're not a sleuth, you key by the rules" but at some point, being able to tell what letter was written is a question of predicting the word.
@earincopper9975
@earincopper9975 Год назад
This is probably one of the reasons the OCR tech can work so well, too: recognising just "ordinary free text" is a much harder problem than recognising something from the space of US addresses.
@evildude109
@evildude109 Год назад
Like in that example that Tom got stuck on, Ft. Lauderdale. I would have gotten that one in a second because I grew up near there, I have been primed to know it means Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays Год назад
@@evildude109 it's easy to miss, but on that one he actually knew it was Fort Lauderdale. His question was if he should correct it to "Fort" or leave it abbreviated as Ft.
@Taschenschieber
@Taschenschieber Год назад
@@evildude109 Fort Lauderdale is one of those US places which somehow come up on international news on a regular basis. I'd easily have recognized "Ft. Lauderdale" as an abbreviation of "Fort Lauderdale" despite not even being a native speaker, I just wouldn't have been certain which state it was in off the top of my head - which wouldn't have mattered because it says "Florida" on the envelope. So this isn't exactly some kind of secret regional lore.
@Riley_Mundt
@Riley_Mundt Год назад
@@Taschenschieber That's likely due to international travelers to Florida regularly being the target of muggings in the 90's because they were easy to spot. It got so bad that some European news stations were airing "How to stay safe when vacationing in Florida" segments.
@nightslights970
@nightslights970 Год назад
Hello Tom, I just want to say I love you're informative videos, and never stop them from ending! Information is power, and you spread power to all those who watch you. Much love, NightsLights.❤❤❤
@Zzazs
@Zzazs 8 месяцев назад
Thankyou for not showing the mail like most youtubers would, You sir are one of the best and most thoughtful youtubers
@RichardDegenne
@RichardDegenne Год назад
As an IT engineer, I can assure you that the Excel spreadsheet at 3:59 is what nightmares are made of.
@inesis
@inesis Год назад
Thank god you haven't seen my spreadsheets then... 🤣
@asicdathens
@asicdathens Год назад
The level of IT maturity for a company is inversely proportional to the number of worksheets floating around
@PrograError
@PrograError Год назад
management : but it's cheap...
@nankinink
@nankinink Год назад
Holy crap didnt notice that was a spreadsheet. That'as a nightmare for sure LMAO
@jbird4478
@jbird4478 Год назад
I didn't even see it was a spreadsheet. I assumed it was some specialized software. What kind of monster would make that as a spreadsheet?
@ruubennn
@ruubennn Год назад
They put in alot more effort than exam graders in the UK, we're told if it's too hard to read they just won't bother 😅
@khalilahd.
@khalilahd. Год назад
😅😅
@ddenisehhoy8369
@ddenisehhoy8369 Год назад
To be fair we are told that about exams here as well
@julianw1010
@julianw1010 Год назад
You didn't even watch the video yet and are already commenting. Lmao
@Baconlessness
@Baconlessness Год назад
This is entirely reasonable considering how important/sensitive some letters and packages may be.
@wasdf999
@wasdf999 Год назад
That's the point, they are teaching you so people CAN read what you write
@mustuploadtoo7543
@mustuploadtoo7543 Год назад
tom scott is like that teacher that you wish you could hug and tell them you are proud of them and never stop. thanks tom.
@Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood
@Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood 2 месяца назад
He’s given up RU-vid now
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline Год назад
WOW! I had no idea. And 4 seconds to evaluate each.. Tom, I cannot believe the incredibly interesting places you discover. Simply incredible what they do.
@jacob_90s
@jacob_90s Год назад
As a programmer, the idea of having to write a system to parse addresses just immediately gives me a migraine, and that's without even having to decipher handwriting.
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 Год назад
How about system operating at the same time with users and background processing in all possible timezones?
@SomeGuysGarage
@SomeGuysGarage Год назад
​@@darekmistrz4364 easy...timezones aren't a big problem. Also, the decipher handwriting you just hand off to an OCR library/service, that's not a big deal. The parsing addresses, they do follow normal forms and with a db to look up in, isn't that bad to figure out. The hardest part of these systems is the performance, the throughput/timeliness of VES when it's against an active sort line, with a human in the mix, is challenging.
@akamesama
@akamesama Год назад
Luckily, USPS provides a very robust API for doing this. And it still is a nightmare. We had the API giving different responses bad responses if the second street line included room information, but good if it was included inline with the postal address. Another, the system was overriding the correct address that USPS will deliver to, but overwriting it with an address that gets incorrectly delivered. International addresses though... *shutters*
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 Год назад
@@SomeGuysGarage That's true. I know some systems where one machine learning response is over 90 seconds. That letter would always go to "process later" box.
@Beedlejuce
@Beedlejuce Год назад
As the guy who did it, it sucked.
@jackdog06
@jackdog06 Год назад
I swear to god Tom Scott’s ability to release a video on a topic I was GENUINELY wondering the previous day is astounding. He did the same thing when I bought a radio clock. This dude is spying on me.
@SergioR00
@SergioR00 Год назад
Well please continue giving him excellent video ideas !
@adajones4490
@adajones4490 Год назад
I swear I was also just thinking about this yesterday. My jaw dropped when I saw this in my notifications.
@1lovesoni
@1lovesoni Год назад
Karl Jung had some interesting (though slightly outlandish) theories about this phenomenon, usually referred to as "shared/collective subconscious"
@Killerean
@Killerean Год назад
Can you please move the towel a bit? It's obscuring the camera feed. :D
@PanduPoluan
@PanduPoluan Год назад
He's not spying on you. He's planted an implant in your brain. He knows your thought.
@TheHomeskoolER
@TheHomeskoolER Год назад
Thank you for always answering questions that I never knew I had.
@effortlessproductions
@effortlessproductions Год назад
My dad has worked for the USPS around 26 years and knows about this place, yet never knew how it worked. Great video!
@RhyainnStone
@RhyainnStone Год назад
This is so cool! I’m a USPS rural carrier and I had no idea this place existed. It’s amazing how much work goes into getting the mail to us every day. Thank you for the video!!
@franknord4826
@franknord4826 Год назад
I'm not a USian, but thank you for your service anyhow. Emergency medical responders and postal deliveries are the only functions of government I can respect - and in my country the latter has been privatized decades ago.
@jmullentech
@jmullentech Год назад
@@franknord4826 EMS here (US) is privatized by a large margin these days as well. Some are great, some are terrible haha
@franknord4826
@franknord4826 Год назад
@@jmullentech Right, the US is the place where poor people are scared of calling an ambulance, I almost forgot that. :( Still, thank you for your service, it's one of the most underappreciated jobs to do.
@williamjenkins4913
@williamjenkins4913 Год назад
It really is amazing. One of the few actually functional government systems and there are politicians trying to destroy it our of spite.
@iorilamia
@iorilamia Год назад
@@franknord4826 even normal people don’t call ambulances , it’s mostly saved for the incredibly wealthy
@JossCard42
@JossCard42 Год назад
I worked at this very center for a short time. The hours were exhausting, but the pay was great. Once you get up to speed as a new data entry drone, you're allowed a headphone in while working so you can listen to music or audiobooks. I listened to the entire Song of Ice and Fire series while working there.
@Tacsponge
@Tacsponge Год назад
I had a similar job processing handwritten travel insurance claims. Spent all my lunch breaks at the library using the public WiFi to download more audio
@azraelle6232
@azraelle6232 Год назад
I used to try and find the longest audiobooks while working here. I remember finishing the entire Sherlock Holmes anthology in less than a week.
@sharpieman2035
@sharpieman2035 Год назад
@@azraelle6232 I finished it in less than a week in middle school. Good times.
@perkypears
@perkypears Год назад
thank god for headphones. exhausting repetitive jobs are made 1000x more bearable by listening to a book or podcast
@mdoerkse
@mdoerkse Год назад
I would think listening to a book would interfere with reading the addresses. At least for my brain.
@5-1biggiebagextrafries
@5-1biggiebagextrafries Год назад
This is the nerdiest video I geeked out on because when Tom finally got it! I felt so proud🥹
@crismcdonough2804
@crismcdonough2804 Год назад
I did this for 7 years and 9 months at the remote encoding facility in east Pittsburgh. From 1995-2003. Thanks for the memories.
@Nabeelco
@Nabeelco Год назад
It would have been really cool to see a pro take on those addresses after Tom, for a speed comparison. The numbers mentioned for speed are not very tangible conceptually, but actually seeing a pro key them in would have been awesome.
@SamSitar
@SamSitar Год назад
yes i want to see that as well.
@MaxIronsThird
@MaxIronsThird Год назад
A "Pro" will do a mail every 1 to 3 seconds, while Tom was taking over 10 seconds.
@xGatoDelFuegox
@xGatoDelFuegox Год назад
I really, really wanted to see it at max speed!
@azraelle6232
@azraelle6232 Год назад
When I did this job, I think my personal best was close to 16,000 keystrokes per hour, and I wasn't even in the top 10%.
@azraelle6232
@azraelle6232 Год назад
I used to do this job for nearly 10 years, at this location! Nice to see that microcosm get some exposure, it's a lot harder than it looks!
@SilverFlame819
@SilverFlame819 Год назад
Funny, I used to work there too, and I thought it was the simplest job I've ever had! :D
@123457474869
@123457474869 Год назад
How was it? It looks like an awful job tbh. Did you enjoy it?
@pawmeowzing2906
@pawmeowzing2906 Год назад
how much do they get paid?
@artimus7525
@artimus7525 Год назад
I used to work there myself. Shortest job I ever had. I was one of many that couldn’t pass the training course.
@joeg6419
@joeg6419 Год назад
do you have an internal monologue/dialogue?
@cyanophage4351
@cyanophage4351 Год назад
I really like that the keyboard has home row numbers. They actually thought about how to improve the terrible keyboard design of a default keyboard and made it more efficient
@farmcat3198
@farmcat3198 Год назад
Ergonomic Engineers and Industrial Engineers are the ones who do the studies to develop those specialized keyboards. Working for the USPS as an Engineer was the most fascinating job I ever had. I worked on tons of interesting and complicated stuff. It was foolish of me to leave that job.
@friend7120
@friend7120 Год назад
1:39 Tom walks up like a GTA character starting a mission
@co2_os
@co2_os Год назад
Fr 😂
@__-fm5qv
@__-fm5qv Год назад
As a Royal Mail Postie this was interesting! Here, at least at the depots I've been a part of, any mail that isn't sorted by the machine has to be hand sorted by employees at the depot itself. Similarly, if it doesn't scan into the mailing system correctly it has to be entered in by hand using the long number below the barcode, and if that doesn't work its added on-route as an adhoc delivery using the address.
@StephenEden
@StephenEden Год назад
The UK has MDEC centers which does the same job. I worked in one.
@__-fm5qv
@__-fm5qv Год назад
@@StephenEden Ooh interesting! I didn't know that I guess at the depot you probably can't tell if the ones rejected by the machine were also rejected by MDEC centres or not. But then again my current depot has such a low volume of stuff that everything is hand-sorted (pre-sorted before it gets to the depot make sure its our area, and then hand sorted to roads and streets).
@j4ck3t
@j4ck3t Год назад
As a mail machine operator in the Netherlands, I know we use the same machines( different revisions then in the UK ). The way it is explained in the video is exactly the same way it is done here, corrected for our zipcode system (we use 4 numbers and 2 letters + home number). But we off shored the labour overseas, where people read the letters and enter it in the system. It literarily has not changed in at least 20 years, the internet just made it possible for it to be done else where in a different country.
@Nitches
@Nitches Год назад
@@StephenEden Plymouth MDEC - stuff of nightmares
@adambarker9493
@adambarker9493 Год назад
@@StephenEden I worked at the Plymouth MDEC typing addresses during Xmas and Summer breaks.
@hitokage4
@hitokage4 Год назад
Honestly, that was REALLY informative! I enjoyed that a lot!
@Selmarya
@Selmarya Год назад
Us postal service has algorithm to sort bad handwritten mail Me: *its showtime*
@God_Yeeter
@God_Yeeter Год назад
It’s all fun and games until I send a letter with my Egyptian hieroglyph handwriting
@Killerean
@Killerean Год назад
"Dude your hand writing is a REC!" :D I used to have a colleague, he absolutely hated hand writing, he'd write everything on his laptop. His hand writing was so terrible we nearly didn't get housed in one of the local military base housing units here in Czechia because he had to fill up a card. By hand. And the clerk at the desk won't help him. :D To be fair, I used to write terribly too. But I've got kinda conscious about that and re-learned hand writing at a certain point, making my own hand written font in the process.
@tedchirvasiu
@tedchirvasiu Год назад
:D
@johntom8863
@johntom8863 Год назад
:D
@BaleszCraft
@BaleszCraft Год назад
:D
@Whateverhasbeenmynameforyears
Sometimes it is a language processing issue. I can not hold the sentence in my head and remember the letters of the words while remembering how to write the letters. So I either can write the sentence but it is going to look awful or I can make nice writing but do not remember what I am writing. So if I want it to look nice I have to write it twice so I do not have to remember what I am writing.
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 Год назад
Maybe he has dysgraphia.
@jello4835
@jello4835 Год назад
I'm super glad there are people willing to do this important job because this looks like hell on earth to me
@shanesaw13
@shanesaw13 Год назад
Thanks for the trip down memory lane Tom. I worked at the Chula Vista REC in '98, '99. Even back then the writing was on the wall with how good the OCR readers were going to get, so I moved on before that REC was closed down.
@CreditSolutionist
@CreditSolutionist Год назад
I was at San Bernrdino. They closed our facility in Bout 05 or 06, I believe. I had so much fun at that job.
@SithLord2064
@SithLord2064 8 месяцев назад
Wichita REC. We officially closed in '14, but immediately were retrained a Customer Care Agents for 800-ASK-USPS. Much preferred THAT job to the REC. Was also a bump in pay, as we were Level 7s compared to being Lvl 6 @ the REC.
@purplekey9330
@purplekey9330 Год назад
One time my handwriting was so bad on a letter, they literally sent it between 5 post offices for a month. I did the math and the letter traveled 600 miles because no one wanted to figure out where it was supposed to go
@NathanielBTM
@NathanielBTM Год назад
well... I hope your handwriting has improved.
@pahom2
@pahom2 Год назад
@@NathanielBTM he did it on purples
@seronymus
@seronymus Год назад
He only writes in DOOM (1993) quality graphics.
@mattsonn
@mattsonn Год назад
Patting myself on the back for keeping the staff of this facility employed with my atrocious handwriting.
@honeytgb
@honeytgb 6 месяцев назад
This was an eye opener. Loved it!
@jacksonharting9073
@jacksonharting9073 Год назад
It really worked for me after I look and try some tutorials, yours is the one that worked. Owe you a lot.
@Keenath
@Keenath Год назад
The outward/inward thing totally makes sense to me: The outward section of the address (city/state/zip) is used for getting the mail from one distro center to another distro center; it's being read in the 'outbound' room of the site that collected the mail from wherever you dropped it of (or more realistically the nearest distribution hub, but whatever). They don't care about the street address yet, they're just trying to get the letter from its start point to the correct post office that serves the target zip code. The inward part of the address (street address) is the part that's important for getting from the local post office to your mailbox. It's used in the 'inbound' room of the site that's receiving mailbags from a truck and sorting it for local delivery.
@JimGrisham
@JimGrisham Год назад
“Outward” is also the term referring to the address on the outside of a mail sack (i.e. a bunch of mail heading to the same town), and ‘inward’ street addresses are only seen once you look at the actual envelopes inside the mail sack.
@jgharston
@jgharston Год назад
I was expecting Tom to say: Oh, yes, just like the UK system, SW1A is the outward part, 2AA is the inward part.
@Stadtpark90
@Stadtpark90 Год назад
Thanks.
@wheedler
@wheedler Год назад
I was thinking of it from the perspective of being in a conceptual space located in the middle of the address. The street address is more localized and inward, the city and state are the outward containing layer.
@martinkeegan270
@martinkeegan270 Год назад
I was also expecting Tom to know the UK system (SW1A being the outbound part). I had a job in the 1990s in speech recognition with particular reference to UK postcodes, and this came up a lot :)
@seankkg
@seankkg Год назад
This is something I've actually always wondered about, and I never expected it to be its own facility/job. A question I forgot I had, answered. Not to mention the small notice of the Santa Mail is a fascinating insight into more of it without a word uttered.
@thesteelrodent1796
@thesteelrodent1796 Год назад
since they used to have 55 of these places, they probably started out attached or near the sorting facilities
@MrDannyDetail
@MrDannyDetail Год назад
In the UK Royal Mail used to have them in all of their (what are now called) Mailcentres, and literally the letters on the machine stopped in front of the operator one-by-one to be typed and have phosphor dots stamped on them for sorting. At some point they centralised it, so that all the mail is still going through the same machines in each Mailcentre, but a camera sends the image of each stopped letter to the British equivelant of this facility.
@sudoFrank
@sudoFrank Год назад
This is one of the oddest topics for someone to think about, and the fact that it's covered in such good detail is truly incredible.
@ShyanneMuna
@ShyanneMuna Год назад
Absolutely love your videos!
@julz7300
@julz7300 Год назад
2:28 i'd like to think that tom laughed like this simply because he said seamen
@MayonnaiseVenusaur
@MayonnaiseVenusaur Год назад
My favorite thing I learned in this video is that USPS commonly handles tetrahedral packages.
@Brunosky_Inc
@Brunosky_Inc Год назад
Those pyramid computer cases have to get to their buyers somehow x)
@star-army
@star-army Год назад
You can even mail a potato by putting an address label on it.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Год назад
No, the package has four sides, meaning it's like a box without the top or the bottom. It's unclear why anyone would send this, as there's no way to put something inside of it.
@Codebreakerblue
@Codebreakerblue Год назад
Possibly a package that extends up and down to infinity? You could put something inside it by cutting a door in the side but I wouldn't expect it to fit in your mailbox, your porch, the delivery truck, the post office, or the observable universe
@klondike3112
@klondike3112 Год назад
@@Codebreakerblue The USPS would still deliver it
@mumzieobiwan8407
@mumzieobiwan8407 Год назад
This was awesome...always wondered how things at the Post Office worked!
@hypergolic8468
@hypergolic8468 Год назад
When your reading the paper and a journalist writes (complains) about the Post Office / Postal Service spending X£ Billion on a new system, it's very easy to overlook it as a total package. Just watching this, thinking about all the development for the training system, the manager dashboards, the integration to the mail centres, it's almost mind blowing, until you realise it works. Incredible.
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 Год назад
In the 1990's I was involved in a small contract dealing with these REC machines and systems. Even then, some 30 years ago it was impressive how fast the machines processed each image. Imaged, OCR'd, either routed or diverted for human reading, then either returned in with route information or sent to slower reading, or 'dead lettered'. FYI, the machines print a bar-code strip on the front of the letter for further handling so the address only has to be 'read' once. Some commercial mail got discount pricing if they printed the proper bar-code strip ahead of time (I think that's what they called 'pre-sorted' mail)
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 Год назад
I've always seen those bar-codes on some of my mail, one day I got super curious about what exactly that was. it was so damn obvious if I though about what exactly I'm looking at, but I had to search far and deep (because I didn't know how to ask google).
@MilnaAlen
@MilnaAlen Год назад
Actually the QR code seems to function as a postal stamp too, since one of the envelopes was missing the "Economy" text from the corner. Just a blank white envelope with a transparent plastic window, through which you can see the adress on the bill itself.
@Stache987
@Stache987 Год назад
Look on the back of an envelope in yellow ink, another bar code provided by the post office equipment, probably the actual going to deliver to place vs what's on front. Did you know it's not a 9 digit zip code, it's actually got 12, 2 of the extra digits indicating which side of the building the mail is delivered to like E, N etc
@baylinkdashyt
@baylinkdashyt Год назад
USPS Postnet Barcode, yes. You can encode a 5-, 9-, or *11-digit* Delivery Point Barcode (I think the 11-digit version gets you to the actual mailbox/cluster).
@HistoryDose
@HistoryDose Год назад
I feel like I've subconsciously had this question since I was five years old
@juliadandy6019
@juliadandy6019 5 месяцев назад
This is fascinating! Love it!
@ItsTheli
@ItsTheli Год назад
I worked in the UK equivalent (MDEC, Manual Data Entry Centre) so this was cool to see how its processed similarly, although with mainly different hotkeys, but esentially the same
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