The warriors dynasty stopped a lot of players from winning titles or adding more titles to their resumes. The Golden State warriors stopped OKC, the Clippers, The rockets, the blazers from winning anything. Lebron could’ve had 6 titles or maybe more but he doesn’t because of the golden state warriors. Same with MJ, he stopped a lot of teams from winning in his dynasty.
It's crazy to think that Lebron's legacy is safe only because of all he did before the Warriors came around. If he had started playing just a few years later, everyone's opinion on him would be different because there is no chance in hell someone with just 2 rings is in the GOAT conversation.
@@laurocomanI think if Lebron didn’t screw up not winning in 2011 and 2014 people would probably give him a pass not winning in 2017 or 18 when he needed to badly. Cause hypothetically put in perspective he does still win in 2020 as well he’d have 7 rings in total with probably 6 finals mvp(2011 goes to dwade most likely) and the comparison to Jordan would tight knit
@@glenntaylor266 I mean it’s not like the heat were pushovers. If anything they would have adjusted too and played their cards right. I could have accepted even then losing in 7 by a close margin but 4-1 is pathetic for a guy at his peak
I loved that, I can talk smack all day and throw in their face that Curry is the best and it’s Curry’s era y’all better bow down and I love when Curry celebrates and know it stings other fan bases 😂😂😂
As a Knick fan, I was happy to see Steph dominate LeBron cuz my Knicks never got anywhere with him in the conference. He was our second Jordan but vulnerable unlike MJ
@@NYCBX9you know its funny how you keep saying Curry curry curry, makes it seem like KD wasnt the one giving him them rings back to back, no matter what happens its like curry can do no wrong huh
I’d say the Warriors dynasty somewhat helped with LeBrons legacy in sense that prior to the rivalry we never seen so much context being used when discussing one’s legacy and now we discuss everyone’s legacy with context
I feel u, but MJ’s legacy was being disgust decades, before LeBron. MJ was undefeated and was nearly undefeated in the regular seasons. young ppl I tell u😂🤣
actually it’s the other way around helped Steph Curry and GSW legacy has arguably the best team in NBA history LeBron is the media’s darling, so everything is amplified because of him, prior to LeBron facing GSW, GSW they never won anything before. LeBron was the most talked athlete when he went to Miami🤦♂️🤦♂️😂 u gotta be young 😂🤣 he won 2 rings and went to 5 finals before he faced Curry🤔🤦♂️🤦♂️ they were comparing him to Jordan over decade before he faced GSW🤔😤😂. It seem that way to u because they beat a young GSW team in 2016 their second year in the finals that was LeBron’s 7 and 5th straight finals, Curry was in the league for 6 years Klay and Draymond 4 years. LeBron 14 years of experience🤦♂️ LeBron got beat by a young Curry and his young team and he cried literally tears in 2015 after losing to Curry😂🤣he’s talked because he’s getting his beat and he’s supposed to the Goat🤔😂🤣🤣 the Goat is not supposed to get beat 3x by Curry and GSW not only in the finals, but in the regular seasons, Curry has a higher winning percentage over LeBron when facing each other. that’s only reserved for MJ true winner.
0:37 I don’t understand the thought of the Warriors not winning another championship without KD joining they were a game away in 2016 with a lot of factors going against them in those playoffs
It doesnt matter if they were a game away, they still lost. And they lost because Steph and Klay were subpar for most of that series. Not to mention that Steph was terrible in all except one of the Warriors 3 wins in the 2016 finals. They were totally carried by the bench in that series.
@@smoothsavage2870 I’m not gonna lie I’ve recently went back and they’re were a few players that were so ass I didn’t even notice. Steph and klay played poorly obviously like you said but Kevin love was really a non factor in the 2016 finals too fr
@@smoothsavage2870 exactly Steph the unanimous MVP was trash that series, to this day he hasn’t had a series that bad. They were the best team and the fact they were that close despite Steph’s play proves that
Kevin Durant winning 2 Finals MVPs with the Warriors was the best thing for his career. He would be on a list with Charles Barkley, Allen Iverson, John Stockton and 13, all ringless players
Exactly. He wasnt going to do anything with Russ as his teammate. They've been talking about Russ shooting you out of games since NBA 2K12. He needed somebody more effective and it just so happened that Steph was recruiting him. Steph to this day still talks about trying to play with KD again. But when he was asked if he wanted to play with Lebron, he said he doesnt want to.
@@i_l96 It’s easy to say it in hindsight but like the video said okc saw success prior to kd leaving. If that 2016 okc just won one more game I believe they actually win it all that year. Hell they probably could’ve won the next year if kd resigned because that roster was going to see some serious change
For LBJ, his losses against GS is really unfair because 3 of those loses were either injuries or against thr Big 4. To me, the biggesy knock against his GOAT status was the 2011 loss against the Mavericks
Honestly, if KD didn’t join GSW, LeBron would’ve prolly gotten an extra ring, and u wouldn’t be seein many crapping on his legacy. The unfortunate part is that as a Lakers fan, it’s gonna be hard for him getting his 5th ring. If he retires without it, I think a lotta ppl will look at LeBron’s career funny. The same happened with Wilt when he got compared to Jordan and Kareem
@@thesacredflame663 the Heat shat the bed in 2014, but unlike 2011, it wasn’t really all cuz of LeBron, the whole team was imploding. D Wade especially had ugly moments in that run. Plus the Spurs were a DAMN good team at that time, they almost killed em back in 2013.
Good video. You should do one on how Lebron’s streak going to final affected other great players legacies. His teams mostly have always been expected to go to The finals so that means some great players in his conference missed out on adding to their legacies.
Obviously swishout didn’t mean they literally ruined LeBrons legacy lol but I would phrase it like this. They made his legacy way more complex. There’s so much context to a lot of his losses that I get why some revert to just acting like he simply didn’t get it done despite the all time performances.
@@kohsmoger1567 2016 warriors had 2 chances to clinch after that suspension, that is not enough. 2019 i MIGHT give them, but they were so stacked that even without KD they had more than enough to win, it was the Klay loss that did them in at the end.
@@euro51116 Steph wasn’t a 60 percent in 2016, bogut went down when draymond got suspended for the rest of the series, iggy through out his back and ezeli came into the series hurt. As for 2019 it’s obvious Durant and klay going down made a massive difference and the warriors were top heavy so any of the starters missing is noticed.
Nah I've been sayin this since 2019 he dont wanna bring out them fan girls that really piss them off 😂😂😂 James harden definitely the most impacted I mean to have a nearly 50% chance and u lose 4 times is kinda crazy he really landed tails 4 times 😂😂😂😂
@@wereallyrollin6680 wtf are you babbling about. The original comment said harden won more games as if that actually Matt because the end result was always a LOSS. Meanwhile bron actually got this thing called a CHAMPIONSHIP from actually beating the warriors
the next year kd wasnt there and harden still lost. the problem is harden was never statistically superior to everyone he just had an amazing team. bron literally played like a demi god and still lost@@chilldoc9638
@@xtucs i never said that . I said lebron forms supersteams and his fans still make excuses after he loses . No one said he had to stay in Cleveland just stop making excuses for his losses after he left in 2010.
@@ThePlugOfTheBronx the heat aren't even close to the warriors with kd, the warriors are the greatest team of all time, the heat had an older wade and bosh
Klay and Draymond playing more playoff games than curry all time is an interesting stat. But then again steph did sprain his MCL In 2016 vs the rockets.
I think you missed the fact that the warriors also drastically elevated bron's legacy tenfold as well. That one ring in 2016 is legendary coming back 3-1 against the best regular season team of all time. Most barely had bron top 10 after miami but after that ring and what he did in the 2018 post season, he rose up the charts on the top 10 list.
Not when he did it tho. Only when nick wright said it retrospectively. Nobody was elevating him that much after the finals. It became crazy AFTER the summer.
@@cyrillechristophe9731nah a lot more ppl started really thinking bron was the actual goat immediately after that finals or at least was solidified as top 5
@@confessionsofamoviefreak9580 he was not a definitive top 5 in peoples eyes you clown and people were still giving him slack for Cleveland so when he came back and won with his original team peoples view changed
@@cyrillechristophe9731 Idk what you’re babbling about but nick wright did not elevate this man and then everyone started agreeing people we’re already having top 3 all time right after the comeback
The most affected by Golden State besides LeBron is Kevin Durant. Bro basically snaked OKC and made the weakest move in NBA history to get 2 championshipd and 2 finals mvps just to not win post GS and get swept by the team that the Warriors beat in the finals.
You cant snake a team if you're a free agent my guy. At that point he didnt owe OKC a damn thing. It was the greatest move to give Lebron and his Cavs superteam some actual competition since the East was too damn weak to do it. BTW his career is still ongoing. We dont know what the future holds for him on the Suns. All you can really do is say "well i dont think he'll win with them", but that doesnt mean that he wont. And if he does, that destroys all these baseless narratives.
@@smoothsavage2870 Here you bron hating gremlins go with that “east is weak” bs lol it’s not brons fault he dominated your poverty franchises. Even after Kyrie left he still made the finals against the 1st seeded raptors and swept them and swept the 1st seeded hawks in 2015 with him as well you fuvkin casual
And they would've lost and it would've been the same reason they lost in 2012. Russ's bad decision-making, bad shot selection and low IQ. OKC screwed up not keeping Harden to help space the floor for KD.
LeBron set himself up for a lot of that, too. Remember the summer after the 2016 Finals? "That one right there made me the greatest of all time." "Chasing that ghost in Chicago"? He was all about those comparisons before his Cavs got humbled two years in a row
@@leeyongpong3578 that doesn’t mean his legacy is “ruined” lebron got a ring against them in the best comeback ever against the best regular season of all time. Prior to that ring bron was barely top 10 in most eyes but after 2016 he elevated all the way to top 3-5
@@impacc4182 I didn't said it ruined it legacy , but if not for the warriors he might have win more rings ,that will improve his legacy even more . With this extra rings , he can easily challenge Jordan for the GOAT title
@@impacc4182 nah even before that GS ring the GOAT convo started brewing between him MJ after his Miami tenure. This ring is when people started way more serious discussions about it
I wouldn’t say they ruined LeBron James' legacy. But they definitely put a stain on his shit. And I’m a LeBron fan. LeBron had trouble with the spurs to.
Warriors did it!! 👍👏🔥🔥❤️❤️ The combination of CP 3, TJD, JK and Dario Saric is exactly what is needed for Warriors, mainly for the non-Steph minutes. If they manage to win those or at least not lose them too heavily, they're in really good shape!! 🙏🙏👍👏
Not at all but sure how ever u wanna justify it. No one came to help Steph on offense except for avg 15 from Wiggins. This wasn’t even close to prime Klay. Draymond has always been the defensive facilitator. Andre is pretty old now
@@thatman8636 what goes around comes around, AD lost 2 times to warriors without a liable scoring 2nd optional guy, bron also has lost to warriors with subpar teams, this is karma, and giving warriors a taste of what has been happening since their entire dominant run
I respect KD as a generational talent but damn, I hate his decision even to this day. IMO if LeBron was able to tie MJs rings he would be considered the GOAT for much more people.
@@christopherbrown5269 LeBron didn’t join a team that won 73 games, he built a new team. If you watched the Heat team days you would not be saying that nonsense, the league was way more competitive back then.
@@Yulz553 It don't matter if that team won 73 games or not you bozo he still joined a superteam all while losing to a aging dirk it ain't no mystery that lebron is the general manager hiring manager agent all in one while playing in any uniform for any organization
But Lebron is a GOAT..KD should not be the factor that stopped him. Those teams were more balanced than people think and admit because that might tanish Lebrons legacy
@@godofwarrio9086 KD wasn't with the warriors in 2015. People speak as if KD played for the warriors for five years while he only made it to the finals in two years before going down in 2019. The 2017 team Cavs team was on par with the warriors.
@@thegame7557 lol, the 2017 cavaliers were not really on par with the warriors. The addition of KD completely tipped the scales and no one can deny that. A 73-9 team getting KD is not equal to Bron, Love and Kyrie.
When the warriors win "it doesnt mean anything , context matters , they stacked the deck etc, most arrogant team in sports, front runners 🥱. When the warriors lose " ohmergerd they beat the warriors, the *INSERT YOUR FAVORITE TEAM* is the Greatest team ever now, dude they beat steph yeah that STEPH of course INSERT FAVORITE PLAYER is top 10 maybe even top 5 now. Gsw only ever got acknowledged when they lost , context was always thrown out the window with them. 😅
The Bulls did the same thing in the '90s too. They snatched a lot of souls as well, it is what it is, that's what competition is, if you not willing to stoop to their level, that's fine but don't complain it's hard to win. Dame played himself, by demanding a trade, he retroactively proved that the whole time he was in Portland he was a waste, he wasn't loyal, he was comfortable, there's a big difference.
If KD never joined them, Bron would have 6 rings already. He’s not losing in 2017 with Kyrie and that Cavs team. Maaaaybe 2018 against the rockets but Harden chokes
Kobe won 4 championships and went to 6 finals in the 2000’s while individually being the best player for the most part throughout the decade compared to Shaq’s 4 championships in 5 finals while only being the best player for less than half the decade then Duncan winning 3 in 3 finals while never really being considered the best throughout the decade. I think Kobe would secure having the 2000’s as his era. Lebron won the same amount of championships as the Warriors did in the 2010’s but also went to double the amount of finals, I’d say 2010’s would fall under Lebron’s era primarily with that context.
@@YungLanxx The first paragraph of your comment has me confused. Kobe was definitely not the best definitive best player in the 2000s. Similar to what you said about shaq only dominating in the early half can easily be said for kobe since he only dominated in the later half of the decade. Therefore the original comment is right it would be a combination of duncan, kobe, shaq, and maybe a young lebron maybe.
@@impacc4182 Kobe had the most years as the best player arguably from 04 to 09, but that was one aspect of multiple examples I brought up which I mentioned before time being the individual best player in the decade. Kobe individually has the most rings and finals appearances, that’s a fact. Can you at least dispute the other things I prioritized for my point if you wanna debate my overall opinion?
@@YungLanxx Ok stop it kobe was definetly not the best player from 04 to 09. Lebron, d wade, hell even dirk were dominating in that span. Kobe only has 1 mvp in that time so how could he be the "player of the decade" Shaq actually 3 peated and won a ring afterwards meanwile kobe only won 2 in the last 2 years of the 2000s. Those finals you keep naming kobe made shaq was apart of half of them and he won finals mvp for all 3 of those rings he played with kobe.
Include Luka in 20s that has never been to the finals never led the league in scoring, assist or win mvp. But exclude Durant from 10s who was arguably the second best player behind lebron is crazy 😂
I agree with you about Dame, Harden, CP3, and KD. However, I disagree with you about Kyrie, LeBron, and Westbrook. I'm not a LeBron fan but LeBron is still fine legacy wise no matter what haters say. Kyrie legacy is just that one shot he hit in 2016 and the rest of it is the drama caused by himself, not by the Warriors. Lastly, with Westbrook, I respect him, but he plays too reckless, and we know by now you can't win a championship with him as your point guard and his play style. You will make the playoffs, but you ain't winning a championship unless Westbrook is willing to sacrifice.
@@smoothsavage2870 Oh he definitely does, I believe that’s why he’s so hated till this day. You Jordan stans are threatened by him possibly getting 2 more rings and maybe 2 more finals mvps. If bron gets those he would undoubtedly be the goat in basketball
@@impacc4182 Lebron would only have a case against the GOAT if he wasnt team stacking since 2010. MJ wasnt weak enough to do that, so Lebron will always be lesser than him. Idc about front office excuses. MJ stayed 10 toes down and got it done 6x with ONE all star his whole career. MJ's 2nd option never averaged 25+ while Lebron has had at least 3 or 4 players who have done that. You can only compare MJ with those that came before him. Lebron will never be on his level.
@@smoothsavage2870 Oh you’re of those. “bRoN iNvEnTeD sUpErTeAmS hE rAn fRoM tHe gRiNd” you jordan dik riders are hilarious 😂 bron went to the finals at 22 with no other star and made multiple conference finals. Unlike the bulls that saved mj’s ass from future first round sweeps with Phil Jackson, rodman, pippen, Claxton, kerr, etc. the cavs gave lebron Mo Williams, larry hughes and washed up shaq and again he still made the finals. But let me guess? “The east was weak”. Then he only went to miami because the Celtics big 3 dominated the east. Had he stayed they never would’ve gotten Kyrie and his career would’ve rotted in Cleveland like dames. You bron haters are different breed of slow he has 3 finals mvps with 3 different teams if it was so easy everyone would be doing it
In Lebrons casez they literally were too strong of a team, if you take sams strength team as warriors, Lebron beats them. They were just good team, even tho refs let Green foul a lot without a call
The only reason and I mean ONLY reason that harden doesn’t have a ring, is because of the warriors getting kd. We woulda beat them in 2017, 2018, and 2019
Talking about Bron, when I see those memes like "best team in MJ era (Bulls), best team in Kobe era (Lakers) and best team in Bron era (gsw)" i always think "ehy this is not a downside of lebron legacy, it's the opposite. He is in the goat debate even without playing in the best team of his era". What do you think about that? Should we change our point of view about this or am I totally wrong about that?
@@BIuezyAnd before you push than “Duncan won 2 Finals MVPs” argument remember Duncan wasn’t finals MVP in 2007 and arguably didn’t deserve Finals MVP in 2005 against the Pistons
harden lost to a curry-less warriors, and it wasn't even a close series, was never close until he got cp3, but that goes to show you the comp warriors played against
Kyrie & Steph are they closer comparison then bron & melo. when it comes to performing things that matter. The only thing melo was better than LeBron it was his shooting midrange percentage, 3s
There was nothing legit about that "rivalry". One team was a built team (GSW), the other was a bought superteam (Cavs). KD made it even and more enjoyable to watch.
Every single time. The last comment he made was just ludicrous. I get it that you're trying to look out for your boy KD after you all just won another chip without him, but the very fact that you won a chip with a good, not great SF in Wiggins only proves that you could win more without him.
@@remnant8898 If you take out the 2017,2018, and 2019 finals that means they would have only won one ring all the way in 2022 with your dumb logic lol they needed kd to beat the cavs and rockets and possibly the raptors not no wiggins you goof
They didn’t ruin anything the way MJ made grown ass men cry over a dang ring…I thought jewelry was a woman’s treasure from the man. Grown men play sports to win a ring 🤫🤫🤫
There's always what ifs in the sports world, but i truly believe if KD didn't "break the nba" by going to the warriors Lebron has AT LEAST 6 rings right now. Easily.
@@look-at-curry-man2206 I don't think they get the picks to get Kyrie if Lebron stays, so he probably would have never won anything. It would still be a mediocre to bad team plus Lebron.
@@laurocoman Jordan only played with one all-star his whole career, and Kobe won 2 rings without Shaq b2b in the hardest era to score ever, and owns Tim Duncan 4>1 in the playoffs and swept him without Shaq the same team Bron lost to keep in mind
I don’t think it ruined Lebron’s legacy because people right now have him top 5. Many have him top 2. Another way to look at is, he was so good that they had to go get KD.
@@ThePlugOfTheBronx yep, he did. And what did he do after he left Dwade and Bosh? What has KD done since he left Steph? Compare the OKC teams KD had to the Cavs teams Lebron had his first run with the Cavs
@@Thrivel when kd was about to win a ring in 2012 he had to face lebron's Miami superteam. KD team wasn't good enough to beat the heat big 3 bro 💀. This led to kd joining a good team to face lebron .
@@ThePlugOfTheBronx you’re missing the point. KD went on to become an MVP after that 2012 Finals loss. Russell became a top 10-15 player in the league after that finals loss. Even though Harden left, that team was good enough to get to the Finals again and win. They didn’t. That’s on him and Westbrook.
KD isn't a alpha. He ruined his legacy by joining the Warriors. It's funny to me how OKC drafted 3 superstars who all won an MVP, but they all failed to a win a championship. KDs rings don't count in my book 🤷♂️ Harden chokes when it matters most. Every Rockets player that played in the 2018 WCF game 7 AND D'Antoni get the blame for losing the second half. Westbrook can get you to the playoffs (he's sole reason Washington had a chance of making the play-in), but you can't win a chip with him. CP made the finals after KD left Golden State, and LOST that's not Golden State's problem. Also, it's not their fault Clippers choked against Houston in 2015 🤷♂️
You should do this same video but for the 90s Bulls! I heard a song with a skit at the end about how Jordan ruined so many legacies lol. I can share the song as well if that would help!
I feel like it's specifically Charles Barkley for some reason. Nobody really faults Magic for losing to MJ, Clyde Drexler is kind of forgettable and won in Houston anyway, Gary Payton's legacy isn't really locked in a rings debate and he also later won, and I think it's fair to say that Karl Malone and John Stockton kind of tarnished their own legacies off the court lol.
Jordan didn't ruin anything it’s the BULLS that ruined all those players legacies. You Jordan stans give him way to much credit.That's like saying this video should be named all the legacies "curry" ruined when we know it was the warriors as a whole.
I'm going to say this.... The Warriors didn't kill The Game because of shooting more 3s. Remember before Durant even entered GSW, their passing was already destructive. Yes, even without Durant GSW would still have won two more championships against Lebron. Again their passing and shooting... The only reason why GSW was to be blamed is because of players shooting too much 3s (or hero balling) . Yes I'm looking at you James Harden. Pressure against The perimeter has been ignored.
It Ain't The WARRIORS Fault If Other Stars (Who Are Free Agents) Want To Join The Team. Why All The Complaining About The WARRIORS. I've Been A WARRIORS Fan Since 1988 & I've Never Complained About The Loosing Or How Much The Team Sucked. Trust Me (Before Joe Lacob) For Decades The WARRIORS Weren't Even Close To Being A Dominant Championship Team. That's Why To Me Seeing The Team I Root For Finally Win A Championship Was 1 Of The MOST Joyful Events Of My Life Along With Seeing The GIANTS Win 3 In 5. The GIANTS & WARRIORS Championship Spoiled Us For The 2010's & ILOVEDIT. Fun Fact: I Moved To ATLANTA IN 2021 & The BRAVES Won The World Series Making It My 4th World Series Parade I've Attended. Then I Moved Back To The Bay Area In 2022 & The DUBS Secured My 4th NBA Finals Parade (8 In 13yrs). I Wonder What Are The Odds Of That Occuring Again.
James Harden for sure when Harden retires from the NBA kids that never saw Harden play going to 🤡 Harden like kids do Malone Barkley and Ewing that goes for CP3 Damian Lillard Russell Westbrook Paul George Derrick Rose if they don't win a🏆 that's a fact
A lot of these stars are paper champs. If you cant take your team to 1 finals appearance as the #1 option in a player driven league...you are not a HOF imo. Big ups to iverson, reggie miller, ewing, drexler, gary payton, nowitzki, barkley, malone, j kidd, even dwight howard.
@@impacc4182 only KD on your list has done that, but its questionable, because in 2012, harden and russ saved the thunder many times in their run, and harden was the reason they won vs spurs in the wcf, so technically its botched in a way
The greats dictate the league... LeBron going to Miami, then bouncing once he depleted his resources, to join with 2 All-Stars again. Shifted the balance of the NBA.
@@impacc4182 LeBron is the GOAT of his eara... WTF are you talking about? Is that all you got when someone speaks the truth? I started off saying "the greatest dictate the league." 🤣🤦♂️ I'm curious, please give me actual info to support your claim, that refutes my easily conformable statement. You know, let's have a knowledgeable discussion. Because you are just saying empty words that hold no factual or creditable information...
Nah that cavs team impacted the entire east. They ain’t rewriting shit, you’re just some weirdo who’s defending LeBron throughout this entire comment section
Well To Be Honest I Know We Talking Superstars But The Entire League Had To Ajust Their Roster To Play Like Golden State. Soooo I Would Say the Entire League
There's no sympathy for LeBron in his Finals losses. He literally stacked his teams up every year attempting to win as easily as possible. The only difference between what KD did and Bron, is that KD assimilated into the Warriors system, and won 2 out of 3, whereas Bron forced teams to assimilate to his system, and lost 5 out of 8.
I like how “Jordan never lost” only accounts for the finals. It’s somehow worse for lebron to get to the finals with a bum team and lose than it is for Jordan for get swept in round 1.
