“Your love for Bastila and her love for you is perhaps the only reason why either of you did not fall. Yet you abandoned her and your son... Perhaps you are a true Jedi after all.”
Saviour, conqueror, hero, villain, husband, dead-beat dad; You are all things Revan and yet you are nothing, you will forever stand alone. ~ 100% authentic canon quote from Darth Malak.
To be fair, he sacrificed time with his child for the greater good of the galaxy. Vitiate would have literally sucked the galaxy dry to fuel his immortality.
@@zawwin1846 If Vitiate had more brain cells he would've won either way. With the maelstrom station and the Dreadmasters its honestly sad how he didn't wipe the Jedi off the galaxy already
My god you could cut a pound of meat on thos--- *Bastilla Is interrupted by Malaks attack. The last thing she heard was Malak’s laugh as he vacated the scene* “AHAHAHA IM THE BEST!!! AROUND!!!”
@@erikurizita6702 Nothing's ever going to keep me down!!! *Sees Revan approaching* I'm just gonna stay away from that *Notices the star forge* That on the other hand..... MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MIne mine mine mine!!!!!!!
It's sad that in this day and age our culture sees things like sacrificing everything you love to save not only you're family but everyone else as being selfish or a deadbeat dad...
@@404ServerError i know it started as a joke but a joke goes long enough people fail to seperate humour from reality, i mean, if it was other way arround no one would be calling him a good father but sheesh man.
Funny thing about that milk run... He intended to return but... Was delayed... But he did return with spoiled milk 3 hundred years later... So that’s a plus!!!
A few months after that... "Ladies and gentlemen, now is not the time to be ladies and gentlemen." Bow Chicka Bow wow. The force is nothing compared to a beautiful girl.
The Jedi: ATACHMENT IS FORBIDDEN also the Jedi: I'm teaming you up with this athletic woman in peak physical condition who is also likeable, personable and is not just empathic but also genuinely wants to help people to the extent they will take on responsibilities that you have to support them through as a willing partner or else the galaxy is doomed. The Jedi are idiots, also the Jedi are some of the best unintended wingmen in the galaxy.
Love /compassion is completely different then attachment. Anakin literally explain it the Jedi Philosophy (even if he couldn't take his own advice). Love that Jedi practice from it's very inception is a symbiotic relationship that respects, cherish, protect all form life equally. Like Abe lincoln said "all men are created equal" The Jedi are the only one that practice that. The jedi are utilitarian seeking to maximize the most happiness possible. You can have friends, good friends, allies and be attached to them. With that being said they trusted Bastila Judgement, and you are making it seem a male jedi and female jedi never team up and not had sex. Attachment will always, without fail breed favoritism. you will always do just enough to satisfy that attachment. You will go above in call of duty for that attachment, but the for anyone else. Anakin proved it, and Luke prove it in Clearly in legend.
The Jedi in KOTOR come across as even more unfathomably stupid if you go for the Dark Side Route: Sticking their Ace In The Hole most potentially powerful, but still young and naive Jedi with the former Dark Lord, known for his incredible charisma and ability to sway Jedi to his side, that she is literally force bonded to, and expecting her to not fall to the Dark Side to be used against them eventually, then pikachu facing when she turns on them and they all die. 10/10 planning from the old Jedi council there.
"I love you, too. With all my Heart" "You aren't afraid to love anymore?" "After this? No, nothing could make me feel safer than to be loved by you" -Bastila Shan confessing her feelings to Revan
Well, I mean, realizing he's one of the most powerful and dangerous beings to ever live...I can see why she'd feel safe being loved by him. Not like anything can really touch her without having a very bad day after all.
@@midgetydeath which is real pity for Bastila because when Revan leaves her behind, he never came back to her and not knowing he was stuck in stasis she was forced to raise her son alone and die without him and not knowing where he went.
@@SN-nl8tm that makes sense. Force sensitives, especially powerful ones, and also especially ones with strong connections are able to communicate with each other through the force over vast distances. Given their power in the force and strong attachment, it seems quite plausible that Bastila and Revan would have been able to commune through the force in a very deep degree (pretty much like a very realistic VR experience, sci-fi VR that immerses all of the senses). Edit: I read up a bit more information that was referenced in the comments section about force-bonds and force dyads. It is quite possible that Bastila and Revan formed a force dyad. This would allow them to physically interact regardless of space.
Bro Revan ain't no deadbeat. He goes to confront an grave evil that threatens his family and all the innocent in the galaxy? Basest of based fathers, right there. Mount Rushmore material
After being in stasis for centuries, he comes back and finishes the job. That's how dedicated Revan was once he set his mind to something: he was all-in.
Hehehehe, imagine if Helga and Arnold (from Hey Arnold), Luz and Amity (The Owl House... don't think about it much), and Ranma and Akane (Ranma 1/2) have kids...
@@xxvaltielxx1789 One hour later... Vaner "So you captured Dad, brainwashed him, he fell in love with you...Mom this sounds an awful lot like kidnapping and stockholm syndrome..."
Ah HK-47, I do so love his sarcasm. They better not take that away in the remakes, since I do plan on playing them and I have not played the KOTOR games before.
@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity Well that's a shame. Wait a minute, is it the remakes that are being added to the Nintendo Switch or the originals?
@Mythic Thank you very much, I was confused on that when I saw them announced. I will have to give them a shot, so I can experience HK-47 in all his sarcastic glory. Among the other things in the KOTOR games.
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 Tip: try the Bastila-Mission dialogue (triggered by having both in your group for some time). Funniest dialogue in all of Star Wars, hands down.
Teasing Bastila in the dialogue was one of the most fun things to do in KotOR... she was so easy to wind up and it was cute when she was. She's definitely one of the best Jedi waifus. Although personally I'm quite partial to Kira Carsen myself.
Personally I would always pick the teasing option just due to the fact that it help sell their relationship. With my Revan, he refused the name of Revan and kept the name he was given by the memory wipe but did take the Shan surname. To me he did this because he was no longer Revan, the Jedi or the Sith, and instead was a completely different person, one only achieved through Bastilla and the Crew of the Ebon Hawk.
I'm more of a Visas Maar kind of guy myself. That gentle tone that can be followed by a hurricane of fury is what I would love in a waifu. The twi'lek male that suggested her to be a Hutt's dancer in KotOR 2 made me want to strangle him with the appendages on his head for suggesting that.
You have to give it up for Bastila. Even though she was a dogmatic jedi, she still got married to Revan. Too bad Revan left too soon to go fight the true sith again.
Well through the course of the development of her relationship with Revan she loosened up and became a lot less dogmatic. Especially after her brief fall to the Dark Side. Teasing her in the dialogue was always fun. She was always so easy to wind up.
@@HouseOfAlastrian : I like to think Revan showed Bastila that the best way to avoid falling to the dark side is not to take yourself too seriously. The one thing all dark siders have in common is a total inability to laugh at themselves. (Unfortunately Bastila didn’t understand the lesson in time to save herself.)
@@timonsolus imagine that Sith Lord that takes his title and status as just that and that alone? Dude doesn't really aspire for more dark side knowledge just the chance to have fun dueling stuck up Jedi and Sith that's think they're all that amongst the empire. The only thing the dark side can feed off and in turn fuel his Force potential is probably the desire for violence, destruction, and cruel trickery upon opponents. Hmm. I might write a fanfic about this now. My archives grow deeper every day. My creativity can never cease to churn out new ideas 😄
Uber Force user, Light and Darkside. Gushed over by an entire galaxy regardless of any misdeeds commited. A multi-skilled master tactician oozing charisma. And to top it all off, gets to bonk a tsundere Jedi complete with sexy accent, then avoid any parental responsibilities. Truly, Revan was every Star Wars Nerd's ultimate wish fulfilment Avatar. :P
Revan knew there was something dangerous out there. That's the reason he left even if it meant having to leave his family to protect them. He did say in the novel that he wasn't doing it for him or Bastila, but for their unborn child(Vaner). And for Vaners children and so on. When Meetra surik found him, Revan did tell her that he regretted leaving them but that it was for his son so that he didnt have to grow up knowing war. Only peace. Revan is not a deadbeat dad or husband. Doesn't sound like you've read the book, so I do encourage that you read it to know that regardless if Revan had left or not, he loved his family and would do anything to protect them from any conflict in the galaxy. If he didn't go to defeat the emperor, then its like Bastila said to her son, "we wouldn't be sitting here talking." They would most likely be dead from war. Thus Revan was a good Father and a good Husband.
Convenient how he left out that quote from the novel about he wasn't doing it for him or Bastila, but for their unborn child... but then again, his whole weak argument would fall apart if he did mention that...
@@404ServerError yup🤣 that's what happens when you got people who get their information from Wookieepedia or some other website, and not playing any of the games or reading the books.
Ah, the wonderful commentary of HK-47. The secret and real hero of both stories. Plus his iterations in all his forms and models in SWToR are also great.
@@Reaper2127. Nomi Sunrider is one of the greatest Jedi heroes ever to live. And in my theory, is the basis of Rey but done the right way. Sadly I can’t post links in comment sections.
She's one of the main protags in the Tales of the Jedi comics, lover to Ulic Qel-Droma, mother to Vima Sunrider (who was supposed to be the Bastila of KotOR, until copyright came along), and one of the greatest Jedi Masters, if not Grandmasters(?) who ever lived.
A female character that trained, has personality, did struggle and fought a powerful dark side user... Rey: haha i know everything by closing my eyes and make adult hero a loser.
9:25-9:38: See, it's moments like this, Anakin's turn back to the Light thanks to Luke, Vos's turn back to the Light thanks to Ventress, and Jedi like Obi-Wan and Kanen being in relationships but still able to control their emotions, that makes me believe it's okay for Jedi to love and even get married like in Luke's new Order. True love can be used to turn someone to the Dark Side, but it can also turn them to the Light just as easily. It's the ultimate power there is, despite being a double-edged sword.
@@mobiletaskforceepsilon1172 an Army of highly skilled clone warriors led to their downfall. Also love and marriage led to their downfall the legacy comics. Kol skywalker had an imperial spy wife no one knew about, that sold them out cost the Jedi. Attachment lead to lapse in judgement in all case in the old order, New order, Imperial jedi, Legacy order
@@silverfoxdelta290 The jedi did understand very well that is why they forbid it. That double edge sword is too risky a concept to introduce into the order. Yes exceptional people have brought exceptionally far gone people back from the brink, but to make that a rule. This had made many people wishy-washy going back and forth from uncontrolled anger to measured at a whim, like the hulk. How many potential innocent people could die in between the momentary lapse? In the Luke's order in legend a lot, which to me is absolutely unacceptable.
What really happened after KOTOR Revan: ah hey Vitate Can I stay here for like 400 years Vitate: sure but don’t you have a pregnant wife Revan: yeah but I saw the child support bill this morning so… Vitate: ah totally understandable you can stay here as long as you want I dumped my kids on Zakuul too
This was a very quick version of Revan and Bastila. Some key facts were omitted out. One, Bastila was actually 18 when she confronted Revan, and two, other than her Battle Meditation, she wasn't all that skilled until later. Upon Learning of Bastila's gift of Battle Mediation, Darth Revan wanted to capture her so she could become his apprentice and help his crusade against the Republic. Revan's genius tactical level was so great that he learned to adapt to Bastila's Battle Mediation. Instead, he would send a task force to deal with Bastila while sending other Task Force to attack Key Republic worlds and strategic areas to gain greater control and influence. That's what led to the Ambush of Darth Revan. During the Fight, Revan wasn't taking her seriously as he wanted to capture her. Bastila's skills as a mere Padawan were no match for Darth Revan, one of the greatest duelists of his time and a powerful Force User. Malak's greed and thirst saw that come to a close as he attacked Revan's ship in hopes of killing both Revan and the Republic Task Force. After arriving on Dantooine, Revan and Bastila Force-Bond (Suspected by many fans they were a Dryad) allowed Revan to grow quickly to become a Jedi and helped increase Bastila's own skills well. As Revan's memories return (Or Visions as the Council had Revan believed), Bastila, through the Force Bond, grew stronger and more skilled, having no longer needed to use her Battle Mediation at every battle and eventually could hold her own in combat. It also made Revan return more and more and return to the Man he once was, something the Council Feared. The Bond between the two was so great, Bastila could resist Malak's influence upon her as she fell for a short period, and she could no longer deny the Bond or her ever-growing feelings of Revan. After the Destruction of the Star Forge, Bastila, who once believed in the Jedi Code that a Jedi should not have any attachments to others, for the first time, defied the Jedi Council and married Revan. The Council, well aware that Revan knew the truth, feared a second Jedi Civil War made a deal with Revan and Bastila, much to their own dismay. Believing Revan was a heretic because of his marriage to Bastila and believing he had 'corrupted' her. If Revan wouldn't spread his philosophy within the Order, the Jedi Council would 'respect' their marriage and wouldn't speak out against them. (at least within the public or open spaces)
I'm just curious, does it say anywhere how old was Revan when she first confronted him on his ship's bridge? If Bastilla was 18 at the time, Revan was probably at least in his twenties.
Jedi 1: Alright we have Revan now what should we do with him? Jedi 2: make him stand trial for his crimes. Jedi 3: have him executed since we know he's to dangerous to be alive. Bastila: no I could just monitor him, I'll watch over him and make sure he doesn't turn back into the person he was, and have his baby- I mean have his life in my hands. Jedi 1: Alright we'll just pretend we didn't hear that!
Woooooow hold on one second. Darth Malak sucker punched Revan when he turned his fleet against him and open fired on his flagship. Knocking out Revan and enabling Bastilla to take him prisoner.
We can still praise Bastila for surviving until then Malak fired because he sensed that Revan was in a fight. Were she weak and died to quick Malak couldn't done it
I really enjoyed Bastila in KOTOR as her character was stuck up and pretentious and made you work for it. Totally believable. Flawed and overconfident. That game was just so well done in every way IMO.
Bastilla: Don't go to war. You will be consumed by the dark side. Revanchists: Relax we're doing the right thing. And we'll definitely not to turn to the dark side. A few years later Revanchists: We're back. And we've turned to the dark side and it's really cool. You should join us. And Malak's got the hots for you. Bastilla: No way. And I am definitely not going to be by Malak's side. Many more years later Bastilla: Screw the Republic. Long live the Sith Empire! Join me Revan my love. And screw Malak. Revan: Uh let me think about it.
bastila: the jedi dont kill their prisoners anakin:ha ha force choke goes crunch also the jedi:mind raping and slave army are ok but have a relationship, that cross the line
@@lemonade_011 are the jedi still better tho? what about the kaleesh, and the sith purebloods and the geonosians burned by flamethrowers, and the zilobeast that just wanted to sleep
well yeah kinda messed up to leave you’re pregnant wife But reven probably knew there was sill a threat and probably didn’t want to get them both involved instead wanted them safe in the end he was sill respect despite he knew the cost for there safety
Yeah... the only companions he took with him were Canderous and T3-M4 because he wanted his wife a kid to be safe, didn't want to impose on Mission and Zaalbaar due to them being busy with their import-export business, didn't want to involve Jolee and Juhani since they were back with the Jedi Order and HK-47 was considered a liability for the first leg of their journey since they were out to make Canderous the next Mandalore and having an assassin droid accompany you on a diplomatic mission is not a good look, even among people as tough as the Mandalorians.
Reporter: Bastila! You just defeated and captured the Dark Lord of the Sith! What are you going to do now? Bastila: I'm going to be retconned by Disneyland!
Sadly our culture no longer rewards forbearance, patience, grit, courage, manliness, sacrifice, we don't reward that. We reward whining, crying, complaining, pouting and grievance, that's what we reward. This douchebag reminds me of that author from CBR who tried to make Captain America come across as being selfish because he left to join the war...
@Jerry Hakes some may have gone to hell. Others have more than likely made their peace with God before they went. You don’t know where I’m going, but I sure do and I can guarantee it’s not the place created for Satan and those who follow him. I’d worry about your own life and where you’ll end up. How are you living now is the question.
This video did a good job of repping a really underrated character. Bastila was a lot more sympathetic and competent than a lot of fans of KOTOR seem to think.
Can you really call him a deadbeat for facing such a terrible foe alone to save everyone-including his family? I call that a gigachad move. And I mean, he did. He delayed Vitiate’s attack by centuries until his descendants allied with the Sith to take Vitiate down.
If I recall Vaner actually wasn't force sensitive, it was something that he confided in Bastila made him believe Revan would've been ashamed in him though she assured him he wouldn't be. He went on to become a senator.
They had to canonize a gender, appearance and alignment for Revan and The Exile in order to make SWtOR's plot work. Especially considering the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order is a direct descendant of Revan and Bastila and Revan himself is, in the beginning, being kept alive by the Emperor.
Vaner Shan wasn't strong in the Force and thus became a Politician (Evil runs in the family 😅). So far, The most recent Descendant of Revan and Bastila is Theron Shan whom is the son the Grand Master Jedi of Tython Satele Shan
She never defeated Revan...just took advantage of his being knocked out when Malak fired on his ship. Also in game its said she's still a padawan she only got knight privileges due to her skill with battle meditation
The age of the old republic . So reminiscent of our histories. Heroes immortalized in histories retold, villains that shook the world . How is it the past sometimes seems greater than the present era.
Ok my only problem with this is bastila did not defeat revan Ill admit i havent played the game in years but if i remember right bastila's 3 jedi teammates all got killed by revan and if not for malak trying to blow up revan bastila would have been next
So.. The plot of KOTOR Plot twist your the player an also Revan... So I'm guessing THIS is how MOST EVERY NPC in most every game comes to see the player..an unstoppable warrior or leader unbeatable, almost, in battle an depending on what alignment you play the ultimate good an hope for victory or evil an "abandon all hope" type
@@geetslys yeah even though you oddly look SO much like him, sound like him too... An then the way you fight with such power most time wiping the floor with most everyone... Unless it's a dance contest...
Some dumb gameshow I overheard from my parents' bedroom TV when I was a kid spoiled the reveal of Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker's father, so I didn't get to experience that moment the way it was meant to be... closest I got was the reveal that I was Revan all along. Finding out that Haytham Kenway is really a Templar in Assassins' Creed 3 is another.
Then I do not think he wouldn't have been as powerful as he is now. I mean, the reason he is so powerful is because of his capability to use both the light and the dark side of the force at the same time, the purest version of the force.
Once he completed a Palpatine-level Jedi Purge, Nihilus would have turned on him and he would have been annihilated, with Vitiate following soon after. Then Nihilus would probably do something stupid like getting into a fight with the Eternal Empire (starvation makes it hard to think, and the more he consumes, the bigger his black hole stomach becomes and the faster he gets hungry again), either destroying him or weakening him enough for Meetra to end him, and galactic history would be back on track. Unless Nihilus was redeemed, in which case every Sith order that popped up would have died just as quickly.
I don't understand how Jedi flip flop back and forth between the light and dark SO easily, like....if Bastilla was tortured by Malek for days/weeks, why would she proceed to serve him immediately after? Very confusing
Darth Vitiate was able to mind control Jedi multiply times, and he is the one that turned Revan and Malak to the dark side. So I would guess there is some sort of dark side mind control going on here, but I agree that needs to be explained better.
Daaaamn... that's a hell of an age difference between Revan and Bastila then. The Revan novel which takes place a couple of months after the game says he's 40. That would mean Revan wifed a girl young enough to be his daughter. People are upset with Florence Pugh and Zach Braff for being together with the same age difference between them lol
Adult age over there (and then) is younger, so OK. And most of us straight men fantasize about boinking pretty teenage ladies in peak physical shape, so double OK. The devs knew their audience and their craft.
I would. A Jedi waifu is important and all but the murdering of vishiat tops all. Seriously vitiate is a palpatin and in real world hitlar level threat. They need to die for the sake of everyone. Reven was right in what he did he was just an ideot because he tried it solo.
Revan leaving and getting captured and killed is only swtor canon, and they did him really dirty, no we’re still waiting to find out what really happened to him in the third game
In my own headcanon he returned from Dromund-Kaas to lead mandalorians into the war against true siths, they defeated Vetiate (but not permanently) and the Galaxy lived happily for the next 300 years. There were not much mandalorians left though. Then TOR happens (everything is the same but no Revan)
i honestly think Revan would easily take down both bastila and the three other jedi that were with her on the bridge if malak didnt interrupt it by bombarding the bridge of revans ship.
Just a thought comes to mind: Bastila was roughly at the same age group as Revan or Malak when the Mandalorian Wars began, and in KOTOR2 she was seen in a vision where Bastila refused to join the Revanchists because of her training. I wonder, what if Bastila made a different desicion where she did join Revan during the Mandalorian Wars? And with her Battle Meditation?
It's in KOTOR II - it's from a line of conversation that starts by asking about HK's previous master. It's his first influence check convo, so it's pretty accessible. During that conversation, you get this if you ask him about Revan's other "whiny" companions.
@@geetslys Ah I might have seen it then. I only played through 2 once and I was kind of young so a lot of the philosophical stuff flew over my head. I don't really remember much either XD
It's funny how Bastila is jealous of meetra (Kotor 2 Legends canon main character) because she knows Revan and have a deeper connection to him than her because they fought together during the war against the mandalorians 😂 And HK is to funny 😂
