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HOW TO - 2.1 Charger upgrade for Yari or Lyric 

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Riders in this episode we change my stock Yaris into a all singing all dance Lyrik by just changing the charger to the new 2.1 on my #YTDecoy #emtb. we also change the air spring to a 180mm from the 160 so I can 27 front and back on the duck
I hope you like this video sorry its a little long but its all you need to know to get the job done.
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@fenderbender65
@fenderbender65 5 дней назад
Best video, cleared up many questions I had that were not covered in factory instructions. Thank you
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 5 дней назад
Thanks mate
@SacredKaw
@SacredKaw 3 года назад
Pilsner Urquell is my all time favorite beer. Very well done bilingually explained.
@marcusoutdoors4999
@marcusoutdoors4999 3 года назад
So Australian, drinking a beer while translating. What you need is some rolling subtitles from Australian into English 😉. Very good video.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
Hahahahaha you just made me laugh out load Maggie your right
@joeduh1
@joeduh1 4 года назад
Hey Sam..very anxious to here about 27.5 conversion up front .Handling and cornering..thanks and great video,,i will be upgrading my Yari soon
@Laurinmtb
@Laurinmtb 2 месяца назад
For those wondering: if you upgrade the Yaris damper and charger you technically have a Lyrik ultimate. The only difference is that the Lyrik has a lighter and stiffer crown. Also according to the factory manuals the air cap (idk what it’s called) is supposed to have a torque of 25Nm
@MichaelTandy11
@MichaelTandy11 4 года назад
a really nice how to, and very well translated, nice to see someone not rushing. and just to let you know the Clip he is taking out was a Sir Clip, and he used Sir clip pliers.. if you're wanting a little more "pop" control try the MRP Ramp Control cartridge and some SKF seals on your next Service.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Thanks Michael for information and for watching. The translation got worse as the beers went down haha. I’ll defo look the mrp thing.
@MichaelTandy11
@MichaelTandy11 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes Haha, Beer = more entertainment. Definitely worth a look if you like messing with setting.. I use it and actually run a little less PSI in the fork and then use the Ramp Control, makes for a real plush ride
@kandem01
@kandem01 3 года назад
@@MichaelTandy11 what sag are you running? Curious because I've been using the mrp ramp cartridge since it was available, but I've never been able to run lower psi without effecting the sag. Currently I'm using 30% and the new 2021 debonair spring.
@MichaelTandy11
@MichaelTandy11 3 года назад
@@kandem01 I didn't go with the Charger 2.1 but with the Charger 2 I was between 30-35% with the MRP RC, but I now have the Push HC97 cartridge upgrade on my Pike and Im running 35% sag but its now giving me a little more adjustability on High and Low speed compression, I'm able to run a little more Low speed giving me the mid stroke support
@ThisGuyRides
@ThisGuyRides 6 месяцев назад
It's actually circlip, as in circle clip.
@Junoescobarone
@Junoescobarone Год назад
Love the czech Pilsner beer!
@JohnGarlandTrialLawyer
@JohnGarlandTrialLawyer 2 года назад
Incredibly helpful. Thank you.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@malcolmsmit5243
@malcolmsmit5243 4 года назад
Wearing a Fox jersey, that was kinda funny, while working on the Rockshox fork.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Yea my mate is totally fox!! Haha
@krisford2349
@krisford2349 4 года назад
Came here looking for this comment 💥👊😂
@ionetxaniz602
@ionetxaniz602 4 года назад
Great video Sam! Very useful with good advices of how to do all the upgrade. In a couple of months (need to save some Euros) I would like to be doing the same to my 180mm Yari RC. Sigue con tus vídeos, son cojonudos!!👏👏👏👏👏
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Thanks rider glad you liked it! How’s my Spanish hahaha not so good! Do it totally worth the euros! Thanks for watching
@ionetxaniz602
@ionetxaniz602 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes your spanish is good enough, do not worry about that as you do a great job with your videos!! Keep on with your channel 💪💪💪
@pancho650r
@pancho650r 3 года назад
Very good breakdown thanks
@LarryRichelli
@LarryRichelli 3 года назад
I sure was hoping to get your feedback on how this fork rode after the install but I can't seem to find a video?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
Yea sorry mate been way too busy! Your hands are buying you beers all day long! Just loads plusher in the top 1/3 of the stroke
@mtbmike9866
@mtbmike9866 4 года назад
Nice Install video. The main differences between the Lyrik Ultimate and your upgrade is the grease used, oil, and SKF dust seals. It's supposed to increase small bump sensitivity but that won't be too noticeable especially for a heavy ebike. Remember the air charts will be affected so you run less air on a Charger 2 damper than you would with the old motion control damper. My 2019 Lyric RC2 used about 67-70 psi and my 2019 Yari uses 92-95 psi. On the old air shafts (before Debonair came out), I used to run 3-4 tokens. On these 2019+ airshafts with the large Negative Air chambers, I end up running 0-1 tokens so I was surprised you're using so many. Most of the reviews I read also preferred to set it up with more air and zero tokens. Less volume spacers means the fork is more linear (like a coil fork) but it’s still pretty progressive at the end since it is afterall an air spring. Also with the damper, they say the fork will sit a bit higher which will also help reduce pedal strikes. Small bump sensitivity is so good already, don't worry about adding a bit more air if needed.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey Mike thanks for all the great information, I’m not suspension expert at all my back ground is racing Bmx for 20 years and well no suspension there haha. I love a very stiff feeling bike that gives when I need it! I have ordered a new x2 rear shock and when I get back from oz in April I’ll do a video on set up! I’m going to rent a shock wiz and play with tokens and set up for a weekend and try and understand it more. It’s one thing to read it but to feel it on a bike for me makes loads more senses.thanks for watching and all the information
@yoondaman316
@yoondaman316 3 года назад
If you have the basic Charger damper, can you change it out to a Charger 2.1 damper without taking the lowers off?
@climbingpoo
@climbingpoo 4 года назад
awesome bro!! thanks for showing and explaining this!!
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Np mare give it a go! Totally worth it
@hoptard
@hoptard 3 года назад
Hope the beer was good, haha...It's called a Circlip....and Circlip Pliers
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
Beer is always great
@margtunbridge3815
@margtunbridge3815 4 года назад
Great video Sam very useful
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@marlongiraldo226
@marlongiraldo226 4 года назад
hola muchas gracias por tu video, tengo una yari y una revelation sabes si a la revetaion se le cudiese hacer esa modificacion y me gustaria saber como te fue con el cambio gracias saludos desde Cali Colombia
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
mate best talk to RockShox on facebook they are very good and ask them all your questions
@markozer0
@markozer0 3 года назад
very useful video! it should be better if you could show the disassembly/assembly more close :-)...anyway, how's this upgrade?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
Will do next time
@borino16
@borino16 4 года назад
Great choice of beer!!!
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Haha totally
@bikeabidingcitizen2603
@bikeabidingcitizen2603 3 года назад
It was not an "old charger" damper before. It was motion control damper, which is an open bath damper, hence all the oil.
@IAMMAN3.4
@IAMMAN3.4 10 месяцев назад
Brake cleaner eats paint i use simple green degreaser and a little elbow grease and water brake cleaner also eat away at rubber cause them to crack
@TheVic256
@TheVic256 4 года назад
Dont you have trouble using all your forks travel with 3 tokens? What do you weigh? For lyriks and yari i usually have 1 to 0 tokens to utilize all available travel?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
To be honest I still need to do some testing I’ve got a new x2 rear shock so I’ll spend the weekend setting her up!
@smckinnon
@smckinnon 3 года назад
How did the upgrade feel @Sam's Bikes ?
@mulv1976
@mulv1976 4 года назад
I've got the same bike and considering this myself + 170mm air shaft so I'll be interested to see how it is. Are you running a coil shock? My deluxe r is getting replaced under warranty after only 3 rides and considering a coil shock upgrade.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Rider, full review coming soon and your hands will buy you a beer totally worth it
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Also I’m running stock shock for now and just bought a x2
@akuriarenzaul
@akuriarenzaul 4 года назад
I have a DHX2 coil shock on my Decoy and love it. great addition to the duck. ALSO DID A VORSPRUNG SMASHPOT COIL KIT IN MY Lyrik.
@renthal2372
@renthal2372 4 года назад
jason scott Do you have any issues with more pedal strikes then normal running a coil on the Decoy? Im really interested in getting a coil for my Decoy but wasn’t sure if you need to run a heavier spring rate then if it were a regular bike
@Yetifur003658
@Yetifur003658 4 года назад
You can do something similar with the marzocchi z1 and fit a Grip2 damper but don't think it would be the same as I think the air spring is different. Wonder if the Yari is actually turned into an ultimate by just fitting the new 2.1 damper...
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey James RockShox say they use special Grease and seals but to be honest the nuts and bolts of the ultimate is the charger. My hands are loving life now
@Yetifur003658
@Yetifur003658 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes I've got a Kenevo comp with a Marzocchi Z1 and I had a lyrik on my old bike. You can tell the difference. I was thinking of doing the grip2 upgrade but might just buy an ultimate 🤔
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey James I really don’t know much about the z1, I’m very happy with my Yari and now my lyric
@ionetxaniz602
@ionetxaniz602 4 года назад
James, if I were you and having a Z1 on a Kenevo (I have a 2019 Comp with a 180 Yari), I would take a look to the coil conversion Fox/Marzocchi has launched recently to go full coil on your Ebike.
@Yetifur003658
@Yetifur003658 4 года назад
@@ionetxaniz602 I was thinking that - combined with the grip 2 damper it should be pretty good.
@shadow7423
@shadow7423 4 года назад
just what I was after, thank you!
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Let’s us know how you get on!
@terenceomahony6840
@terenceomahony6840 4 года назад
Sam , I'm thinking of getting the decoy but I live in the Republic of Ireland , do you know how if the decoy will manage the damp and cold weather here or is it really suitable to a warm and dry country ?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Mate you will be fine grab a shimano motor tough as nails!
@ecotherapy5415
@ecotherapy5415 3 года назад
Any tips on settings for the 2.1 charger for riding?
@sroyk778
@sroyk778 4 года назад
Hi iam looking for the crown thread diameter where the new charger threads in ....... For some retro fork upgrades
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Mate contact RockShox on Facebook they are brilliant.
@sroyk778
@sroyk778 4 года назад
Thanks
@SuperMrBrownstone
@SuperMrBrownstone 4 года назад
Please change the title to "Lyrik" not Lyric. My ocd is kicking in :)
@jerryx2000
@jerryx2000 4 года назад
thats racist......
@hondata_k2018
@hondata_k2018 3 года назад
What is the difference between the two parts numbered below: 00.4018.783.024 vs 00.4020.170.000
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
not sure ask RockShox they are really nice
@emtblife8944
@emtblife8944 3 года назад
The 024 is the complete right side rebuild kit and the 000 is just the damper. If you have a relatively new bike/fork you just need the Damper.
@WolfgangLutz
@WolfgangLutz 4 года назад
Hey Sam! Im more and more thinking about buying the decoy....what about uphill? Is it capable of riding uphill for higher mountain (i live in the alps..)
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Rider that’s what the decoy is made for alps riding! Ride 2 hours up and then smash back down I normally do 2-3 hours with her and it’s big mountain riding
@WolfgangLutz
@WolfgangLutz 4 года назад
Glad to hear that😂 its probably tho mich suspension for me, but the Price is phenomen al in comparison with others.. Thanks for your an wer! Greets from Innsbruck, tyrol!
@kevinconnolly1195
@kevinconnolly1195 3 года назад
There called circlip pliers or ring clip. 🤘
@Socaloverlander
@Socaloverlander 3 года назад
Great video . I doing the same on my Bronson from 160 to 180mm and rct3 . Question ,what upgrade have you done to the rear shock ?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
i changed to a x2
@Socaloverlander
@Socaloverlander 3 года назад
@@SamsBikes gracias
@Socaloverlander
@Socaloverlander 3 года назад
@@SamsBikes how many tokens did you leave for 180mm spring ?
@mattamee7
@mattamee7 4 года назад
The video is wrong with the shaft ,new rockshox debon air added a 10mm taller seal head (red) to position the piston head right in line with the dimple.So the guys missing the taller seal head.This is only half upgrade with increase fork travel.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey mate thanks for your input as I said that’s the first time we did it! So what are we missing ?!
@mattamee7
@mattamee7 4 года назад
Hi Sam's Video is good and informative, useful!! This is the link for new shaft: m.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-rockshoxs-updated-debonair-air-spring-pond-beaver-2020.html You did good work anyway!!!!
@Louis-Beton
@Louis-Beton 4 года назад
Great video Sam 👍 Could you tell us what oil and lubricant you have used? 10ml in each, in the damper and spring side. Right?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Mate it’s best to contact RockShox on Facebook messenger they are amazing tell them what you want to do they will tell you exactly what you need! Thanks for watching champ
@McKevittS
@McKevittS 4 года назад
Did you find how much oil to add?
@gettin-sendy
@gettin-sendy 4 года назад
Spencer, 10ml of Rockshox 0w30 oil in the bottom of each leg, Rockshox Dynamic seal grease on all the rubbers etc, 1/2ml oil on top of the piston and before you fit the tokens drop another 3ml of same oil into the top.
@ldamore
@ldamore 4 года назад
Would you suggest upgrading from 160 to 170mm without changing the wheel size? Or is it something just worth if you're reducing wheel size? Also, did you previously bleed oil into the charger or it comes ready to use already filled with oil? Thanks..super nice video!
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey mate are you on a decoy?’ Yes you can go up to 180 with a 29er not a Problem the charger 2.1 come completely set up we just needed to instal it. Good luck it’s pretty easy
@ldamore
@ldamore 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes ty for the reply! I'm on a commencal meta am 27.5, thanks to your video I discovered the Yari can go up to 180mm with the proper airspring, I was just wondering about the impact of changing the geometry increasing the travel of the fork. Regarding the charger I'm upgrading with a charger 2 (not 2.1) and it's strange since it seems the v2 doesn't come ready to go..
@Unr3aLpm
@Unr3aLpm 4 года назад
hi does the lyrik select+ offer lockout option?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey Rider on mine 2.1 charger is does not you can wind up the low speed compression but its not a full lock out
@StokedExplorer
@StokedExplorer 4 года назад
Hey sweet video! So you went from 160mm travel to 180mm? So the stanchions are long enough to do that and just swap the air spring? Notice any difference in stiffness or response when handling front end? Thanks a lot any info is nice
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
yep on the Yari and lyrik you can go from 160-180 just changing the air spring. I didn't think I would notice flex but I do.. only under heavy braking but its understandable your add 2cm. Im happy with the upgrade but I'm thinking the new fox 38 for 180mm of travel is worth looking at.
@StokedExplorer
@StokedExplorer 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes yeah I know a lot do the jump to 170mm which I may do first. But I'm upgrading my rear shock and it's getting a small bump in travel and wouldn't mind actually going 180mm front to really notice a difference in head angle for descents. Was the flex like really bad or make you feel sloppy or out of control in your riding? Thanks a lot for the info
@SoloTalus
@SoloTalus 4 года назад
Great content champ, very useful! Well explained. That guy is mechanic? Hugs!
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Thanks punisher! See you in 2 months stronger fit and maybe younger haha
@SoloTalus
@SoloTalus 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes I miss you already!🥺🥺
@SoloTalus
@SoloTalus 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes we wait more videos from Australia!
@nicolasmauffre
@nicolasmauffre 4 года назад
Hi Sam, Do you have a good website to buy it ? it's almost always soldout :/
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Where you based?! I buy most it may stuff from either chain Reaction Cycles, bike discount it all tricks
@nicolasmauffre
@nicolasmauffre 4 года назад
ok i'm gonna check this. I'm from France. thanks again :)
@mulv1976
@mulv1976 4 года назад
What damper did you install? The rct3 or rc2?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Rc2
@davidsilvas9441
@davidsilvas9441 4 года назад
@@SamsBikes what's the difference between the two
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
To be honest I’m not sure the difference the rc2 is newer and more expensive and the one that is in the Lyric Ultima so go that one! I spoke to RockShoxs a few times via Facebook messages and they were brilliant
@TheVic256
@TheVic256 4 года назад
@@davidsilvas9441 Charger RC2 has high and low speed compression + rebound adjustment, Charger RCT3 only lowspeed compression, rebound and a 3 point pedal/medium open threshold switch... RC2 = ultimate control of damper settings....
@davidsilvas9441
@davidsilvas9441 4 года назад
Hummm, I was looking to do this too. Did you do any before and after testing/comparison?
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 4 года назад
Hey David do it totally worth the money! I’ll drop a quick update video
@dharyceballos
@dharyceballos 4 года назад
A la pike 2018 se le puede cambiar y actualizar
@djrachot
@djrachot 4 года назад
It should be cleaned with isopropanol, not brake cleaner. Its not the same as you think.
@gavinjameslake
@gavinjameslake 3 года назад
It's not a different "charger" it's a different DAMPER.
@SamsBikes
@SamsBikes 3 года назад
Ok good to know champ
@Dirkkro
@Dirkkro 3 года назад
@@SamsBikes The old blue cartridge is the so MC damper (Motion Control)
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