How to become a PRO artist without Art School 

Sorry for low audio levels! For anyone having issues, here's just the podcast link with just the audio: open.spotify.com/episode/5fY4kxiEJWziJYSZoXzLvb?si=LETKBRczRyW5_XPu82RGqg

I started drawing three months ago, and I can say I'm happy I took the leap and bought an art table and course. I'm 21 and never did anything creative as a kid. I was mostly just floating by, always waiting for something to happen. I tried all types of jobs and different career paths, like business, CNA, warehouse work, and security, which I'm doing now. I like security because I work at the hospital and actually go to calls and help people in distress every day. It's a good job, and I even thought of becoming a cop, but I sat down one day and really thought about what my interests were, and I noticed I loved everything creative. Art, music, and acting. I was also talking with a friend, and he was telling me all about the new car and apartment he got, and when I checked them out, I thought they were cool but never really needed. I don't really care about a nice car or apartment. I mean, they would be nice to have, and it changes when you get older, but I'm happy with one bedroom and a Honda as long as I can get by. That's when I decided I would start a career in art and actually try my hardest for the first time in my life. I have a ton of personal projects I want to one day achieve and want to learn as much as I can about these creative pursuits. Keep pushing forward and making your dream come true, no matter what.

The value of art school is really in the experience you get with other artists and the real connections you make both professional and friendships. No online experience can compare to it

Ive been working professionally for about 10years now. I’m self taught, I do often think about going to some sort of art school or art class for the pure vibe of being in an artistic environment. I had an atelier figure study 6 week course (once a week, 3 hour class) and I loved it. I wanted mostly the connection and like minded people really. Just the vibe and connections

I think you need to boost the voice. Hard to hear on a phone and it's waay lower than other videos so after upping the volume here to an acceptable volume, the next video will blow someone's ear. I think normalizing the recording and adding some maximizer and limiter just before the peaks of the audio start going red will do the trick. That's the easiest way, there's better ways of course but that'll do the trick.

I started to seriously take drawing a month ago. I used to draw all the time as a kid- comics, made my own lil animations in Flipaclip- you name it. However, it was just doodles and I never bothered to learn the fundamentals and stuff because it was just smth I usually did to pass the time. Around 15 years old I made a RU-vid channel with animations and that single decision spiralled my life downhill, especially so after my supposed best friend found out and told everyone. I didnt have a life in high school, bullied for days on end until I was severely depressed and considered taking my own life. After my 2nd year I transferred to a different school. Now I'm 21 and since then I simply lost the joy for art and stopped. That is until very lately when I decided to re-kindle my love for art. Better late than never I suppose. I truly wish to one day make something that I can truthfully call mine. I decided to take my time and keep moving and pushing forward no matter the stakes in hopes of one day being able to draw professionaly, maybe make a living off of it. Thank you so much for this video and to anyone reading this comment- Please, do not give up on your dreams. I gave up once and it was the biggest mistake I ever made. And one i'm not about to repeat again. Keep practicing, keep pushing through, keep drawing. Make those personal projects a reality.

So I just graduated small art program within a 4-year university. I had no gen eds, so it was 6 art classes every semester, plus occasionally an internship or a job. Here's what benefited me: the "pressure cooker" deadline structure helped me unlearn perfectionism and work fast. I learned to learn fast too, like getting into a new way of art making in 2-3 week cycle. I learned to balance time and multiple projects, and give feedback. I also learned that despite all of the talk, how important conceptual and abstract art is, professors still easily impressed by representational rendering with good craftsmanship

the sketchy van podcast was such a good idea, got to be one of the biggest art podcasts now, well done man!

Great interview. It was very enlightening. I'm still on thay path of self-discovery. Coming from an Industrial design background we were introduced to the importance of ergonomics early on and the shop teacher actually did a custom build on all the desk to make them more ergonomic. Basic ergonomics to avoid injury aren't hard I would recommend every artist/designer pick up a book on it and use it to help set up their work stations. Along with taking breaks when necessary, regular exercise and a healthier diet (perfection not needed but just try get in more fruits and veggies daily.) How you eat, sleep and move dramatically effects how you feel from day to day.

As a beginner studying graphic design i can already feel how the presence and guidance of my proffesor really helps me understand some things, practice is everything yes but this feedback from experienced artist is quite valuable and hard to replace.

Yess I love how deep y'all got! Also great to see Peter again, I took the dynamic sketching courses with him probably getting close to a decade ago at CGMA! And yes I'm still drawing, and yes the career has taken many unexpected turns compared to where I thought I was gonna go.

YES!! It’s so funky how I’ve been thinking and developing on this for a while but it’s always been here. You’ve articulated parts of this line of thinking that I haven’t been able to myself! Finding the “gold” nuggets within the “shit”(or lead) of things, literally anything. Changes your perspective quite a bit. Definitely helps when you transfer your perception through the lenses of things you are good at already! Helps with new skill acquisitions on top of making things fun too!

Thank you both for this conversation and podcast. Ive been following Peter Han and his lives are awesome, I recently found this podcast and im glad they crossed!

Listened to the Spotify version, since the youtube version's audio was too low. Was quite a nice listen, and learned certain helpful bits I'll keep around in my head.

Peter has been such a modern age hero for me , thanks for inviting him and sharing the conversation

This interview reminds me of Daniel Warren Johnson's Extremity; specifically, the theme of self identity and purpose of an artist regardless of surroundings. In the first issue, the main character, the community's artist, loses her drawing hand in a wild Max Max / Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind world. How the character deals with that situation is a universal struggle of identity and motivation.

First time seeing podcast from a van, and I think the best podcast is from a van!

Great episode!We need more artists talking podcasts! More artist hangouts

Love Peter's work and all his interviews/lives are awesome! Thanks for the content!

this was just fantastic! it really helped me a lot, i currently struggle a lot with what you talked about, feeling like i started as too old and that im not progressing as i should but this really helped me re-center and look forward to drawing instead of sorta dreading it

Loved this conversation! Thanks for making this dude!

Big. I've learned a lot from Han's videos/interviews.

Love his work! Thanks for this. I love your interviews

Noooice! Thank you for the interview Kristian, watching during breakfast (-:

So happy I found drawing, it is the ultimate self development tool and the cheapest of hobbies with endless of variety. No season passes, subscription fees, microtransactions, etc etc.

just graduated and I feel like my art actually got worse because it turned into 'right got to do this quick for this hand in this is the mark scheme' instead of "I'm struggling with hands lets do some technical drawings for a bit" or 'this random thing seems fun lets get lost for 5 hours doing it with no pressure or care if its good or not" feeling like I've got to start from the beginning all over again 😭

Keep at it man, this was such a healthy podcast for me and it really helped me to see that I am really not alone with my thoughts trough this journey. Amazing content, very helpful!

Man such a good video i absolutely loved how real this conversation felt and i got it right when i needed it.

Earned a B.S. and been in corporate America for the last 5 years. Out of nowhere came into contact with an art class for cultural/religious purposes and found a new passion I never would’ve thought about. I’m grateful I have the financial background to explore it as a hobby. Just wish I was younger when I discovered this side of me

haven't watched the video but I like how this was made during finals week in my senior year, and is being recommended to me a month after graduating.

Being the military took so much time away from the things I loved to do that when I finally sit down to do art I’m too mentally drained or I just feel like I don’t have it anymore.

Greatly appreciate this video. Something I relate to and the idea of how important "play" is for learning not just the creative process is something I lost along the way. Great discussion!

This was really scuffed, but it doesnt take away from the beautiful back and forth you guys had!

Thanks for bringing this to us Kristian, and I hope that you keep on with your personal journey doing this podcast.There's so much gold content in here, that I'll try to listen at least two podcasts per week. Thanks a lot!

Really curious how it sounds to the people who can’t hear because it really sounds fine to me! Great video

You will be remembered Peter Han

Whoa its podcast?! Nice, now i can hear this while practicing❤

I’m 29 and needed a hobby after my divorce. Finding art really brings me peace and I can’t wait to become better.

Great talk, thanks for your voice. I loved the part, that we are all human and the thing that is between a starter that committed to his journey and a successful person is just literally time. Out of experience, I can only agree to that 100%. Cheers!

As someone who went to art college, art school is still worth considering because you can change your major or continue into a masters degree in another field. And you will always have the experience and social networking you built in art school, and that can be life changing and indispensable. Also, advancements in tech and science come from cross disciplinary exchanges, so having an arts background can be advantageous in many ways one might not expect if you decide to change majors or enter a different field. Many advancements in our society have been made possible due to the arts, in fact modern medicine as we know was made possible due to artists studying human anatomy. But there's nothing wrong with being a self-taught artist, it can be an equally viable and just as indispensable experience. Just my two cents.

Peter Han is a very smart man, I love when he speaks.

I’m in my early 30s and I just started drawing yesterday. I hope I’m not too late.

It’s necessary to have two mics . It’s not the volume but the distance of sound to the mic . That’s why he sounds like a background voice. Either way you can adjust this on your video editing software for audio levels.

seems like the interviewer focuses on the struggle with being an artist as a human who does art, Peter seems to focus on being an artist that also happens to be human.

great video!!!, love the themes talked!!!

beautiful flow and many insightful thoughts, thank you ^-^

I would really like to listen to this interview while drawing but it's unfortunately too hard to hear

My man with the #vanlife! I’m doing #buslife right now and have been for 4 years. It rekindled my pursuit of art after 20 years. I just didn’t have the discipline or confidence to follow through in after high school, or the money, let’s be honest. But now I do and it’s been a great journey relearning the craft. Great interview, but the sound needs a little remixing. Just because my iPad is doing it’s best but the speakers are maxed. lol

this is an amazing conversation

I don't believe anyone "becomes" an artist. One either has the passion and or obsession to do it, or they don't.. money isn't the determining factor. It's not a gage for success.

Don’t no why this came on but enjoyed the convo

You don't go to Art School to learn how to draw? unless you are in Russia. Some fabulous painting schools there. You Go to art school to be seen.. To talk shit, and absorb madness. Then churn out madness. DRAWING and PAINTING? is the last thing they teach. They did a fine Comic adaption, art school confidential, all about it. Its 99 percent accurate.

Awesome conversation. Thanks for sharing!

thanks

Sometimes i feel like the passion and ambition will fade away because im not too obsessed with this like the millennials or older artists. When i was five i already have a phone and even though i drew at that time i wasnt obsessed like Peter Han did say he just ,,was sitting there and drew” all the time. So my question is, should i stop worrying about other people’s ambition and past and just continue drawing and practicing in my own way… everyday

Great stuff guys thank you

You should try putting the mic on an arm with a shock mount so we don't get those loud booms when you hit the table.

The sound is fine. I don't understand what everyone is complaining about

"Have you met any artist in shape?" Umm... I feel like Kristian missed this cue. Peter is in dam good shape.

22:00 Just listened to a portfolio review by Nathan Fowkes over the Schoolism Discord. What kind of made me panicked and have pessimism was that he said there's less junior jobs for artist because, in my interpretation (and not his words), it's because we are much more replaceable and they want to hire people who are able to bring more unique skillsets than something that even AI can do. The panic for me is really starting to set in

grate work about art

51:00 probably the most hit on the truth. People will know if your art is genuinely make by your true self. Many of my friends consider making art are just to please for customer or audience which I think this is very false on thinking. Yes, there are some priority you need to please the customer but that doesn't mean you are making art just for the sake for them. You are making the art becuase you you geniunely love art in the first place.

Great Video with Peter Han!

why is your camera so stable yet the on Peter Han looks as if its in the midst of an earthquake?

No one needs to speed tons of money on art school to learn how to draw. You can do that by getting a paper and pencil and just practicing. Sure there is art history to learn but you can learn that online. Art school is such a scam and it actually hurts you by taking time away from you that you could have been doing more productive things like drawing and making contacts in the industry instead of wasting time going to school to be self taught in a studio course.

ignore this, self reflecting here you are reminding me of myself when I talk. sometimes I make the mistake of speaking. People say I'm smart, but to me, I sound like someone repeating things I found interesting. The professor here sounds like he's lived, learned, and can properly share something. The interviewer sounds like he wants to make a connection, be impressive, have something to say, idk. As a child I always thought this behaviour was weird and unnecessary. Now though, I have no idea how to stop this or if I should. for one, I hate talking for the sake of talking two, I don't want to be annoying three, art has taught me to just try, to shame myself or others out of this behavior just sounds wrong I think it's a lack of being humble. You don't want to be vulnerable and show your insecurities (flaws), so you pretend to be a peer of the people you speak to. You try to be adult and on their level when instead you should....not sure but humbling yourself is definitely in there. goodbye

your comparison between the attitude of a student going to art school and a muslim going for pilgrimage was incredible.

Is it just me or Peter Han keeps getting buff.

“I don't care what you think unless it is about me.” ― Kurt Cobain

it does for me.

Imagine if a certain Austrian painter had this video

I once met him in the zoo and I showed him a painting I had and he said keep going.

Hey man great video. Your audio seems to be kind of low though. It may just be me. Thanks for the video anyway.

Hey peter how does that Van smell? FYI i used to live in a campervan as well 😂

Quick answer: Draw, only draw.

Instructions unclear, accidentally created WW3

Does Art school mean college, or Atelier or both? Is the atelier system better for learning to create Art?

audio is too LOW.

I would like to elect this man president

having the mechanical skills doesn't make you an artist. An artist has a special talent like no other. He creates something new and fresh. the last true artist died back in 1988. everybody else is just copying his style.

Why would anyone think they need to go to an art school to become a pro artist?

More audio vol, please

I dont mind listen to this "podcast" but voice are low, sound doesn't go like for instants a radio. And my computer is already at 100% volume. Check that on the future, better to be loud and ask people to put volume low, than otherwise.

Bro it's ridiculous. Now Alvan and the chip minks sing "cause I'm happy" just water boarded my ears and now they are bleeding

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how to become a pro artist. take your time and have an imagination

Who made the thumbnail art? Is the Monkey King?

Yes🖋️🖋️🖋️🖋️🖋️🖋️🖋️🖋️

Every rock climbing route i will ever be able to climb has been done before. Yet i still climb. I see art the same way, facing against AI and heights I will never achieve, I still find the joy in creating.

I was really interested in this video until i had to turn my 70" tv up to 64 to hear the video properly and then I left Sorry guys

bro hella flexing on us

i really want to become a hentai artist, but I don’t know where to start

You've got to stop constantly interrupting the person you're supposedly interviewing just to say "yeah yeah", "uh-huh", or attempt to finish their sentence. It's *constant*, and not only entirely unnecessary, but actively counterproductive. It implies to your guest that they need to "wrap it up" and get through their sentence faster (this is true in all conversation, by the way) and it's distracting and annoying as a listener. I'm sure you have things to contribute too, but you have plenty of time and turns to do so. Just let them answer the damn question.

Not good advise or viewpoint . But point understood

Dude is in his 40's?!?!?!?

Wish the interviewer let the Peter talk more, feel like he interjects too much

Bro turn your sound up. I just got ear graped by an add because I got the volume all the way up with headphones 🎧😡

How to become a pro artist…step 1 : DON’T

please try to stop saying yes, uhum,absolute, yeah.... with every sentence the guy says, these language errors make the video very noisy

I researched my history