@@VertexEffectsInc I have a Mesa Boogie Input output buffer (dual wire), I play bass, considering your vidéo, I wonder if its ok or I should consider changing it ?
I'm doing a complete rebuild of my pedal board right now. This has made me completely re think and also just get the basics right. Thanks for such a clear and concise video format and the description is gold dust. ❤️
Board looked cool. Lotta pedals I'd love to try. But the demo he basically used the same 2 tones the whole time. Like build whatever pedal board you want, but that is a lot of board for not doing a lot. Just from a gigging perspective, it's a lot of extra points of failure for little/no reason.
Cool video, but I'm surprised you didn't touch on the subject of splitting your signal. Us bass players benefit a lot from signal splitting, because we can use it to blend in our cleans with whatever effect we have on. I found that the blend of a mic'd cab with a DI out straight into the board sounds amazing
really awesome build...however the demo sounded more lackluster then what my buddy gets through his peterson tuner into a compressor running right into his garage sale hartke 3500 he got for $80. i was expecting alot more in the demo. im sure someone else could make use of all of that in a real creative way, but the demo was lacking in showing that.
I was hoping for more tips for making a bass rig less about all the expensive pro audio connectors kinda ate up a lot of time. Id be interested in seeing tips for using pedals to effect bass not drastically
See this is why I just bought a quad cortex off of reverb. 1500 us dollars and I have infinite possibilities. No more paying 400+ for a single pedal when they are literally captured and downloadable for free.
I’m so curious to know differences between building bass rig and guitar rig. I’m a bass and guitar player with near 100 pedals and change my pedalboard almost 3 times a month (yes with good power supplies, buffer in and out😉) and with a dry/wet stereo reverb/wet stereo chorus-delay. So a 5 inputs rig for sounding best imho. Can’t wait for another excellent videos of the Rig Doctor😄
Love the rig! You should definitely do a video diving into the usb connection box you made for this. I'd love to see how you put that housing together.
Not really a night and day difference between the 2 sounds, and I'm not even sure which I liked better. Neither was great, but neither was bad. Kind of a shame. I sat through that whole thing thinking I was about to hear something special only to get "meh".
I didn't get it. The jist seemed to be buy good quality products and there you go. Lots' of good sites to visit though and I thank you for that, that took some effort. My pedal board has voo doo power and ernie ball patch cables. Zero noise. Like this presentation, buffers already included. Routed nicely. Guess I already have a pro board!
Yes! I really liked that episode! I am a bassplayer! I am going to build a new pedalboard very soon with a gigrig g3. I have some mogami cable left, so I am going to take the sp400..... they are less less expensive than the solderless systems......
The “basics” for a great bass sound is to get a bass guitar you like, get a bass amp that you like, get a simple tuner, plug the cable from the bass into the amp and practice until it sounds good. There is no need to spend a bunch of money on “Tonewood“ or “magical tube amps.“ Just look for something that you like, that feels good, you can afford, and sounds good to you. If you do get to the point where you are playing live it might be good to get a basic DI box and perhaps an EQ pedal to shape the sound a bit. Those are the “basics.” Of course you can get as complex as you like with pedals, pedal boards, power supplies, rack systems, wireless, midi, etc. but this video was tagged as “the basics.” LOL!
Thanks a lot for great videos helping me building my own upright bass pedal board (whith piezo pickup). I found a document from Peterson web site, which says the inpute impendance of their StroboStomp HD are 5M ohms on BUFFERED and MONITOR modes.
Some really nasty comments here..... Just shows some people's mentality. I thought it was an interesting and informative vid. Slick pedal board. Thanks.
Sounds much smoother through the Noble! One question I do have is would an ‘always on’ Aguilar compressor pedal 2nd in chain after korg true bypass tuner also function as somewhat of an input buffer?
@@VertexEffectsInc gotcha, thanks for the info! I have a pretty long true bypass pedal chain with an xotic super clean buffer/boost at the end and a buffered pedal (ehx freeze) in the middle. Was wondering how much noticeable effect an input buffer would have, as I can’t audibly detect any signal loss from the board right now. Thanks again!
@@taylorc9411 Super Sweet is also not a great buffer if you're goal is linear/colorless, I think it's about the same spec as your Compressor if you check it out, something like 1M input, 1K output. It also has a color to it "super sweet" - ideally buffers should have no color totally 1:1. The best way to check it is to put your entire rig into a true bypass loop and bring it int/out with all the pedals in bypass and compare the tone and dynamics. Record it if you can so you can hear it both ways and compare.
I'm not sure if this would be a good "general" video and also with any stuff that's AC (I presume it's AC), it can be a tricky legal negotiation since there is more risk of electrocution when dealing with higher voltage AC signals.
@@VertexEffectsInc aight, saw that you change the topic to suit it better. Your channel helps a lot with my own bass rig. Excited to see what this vid can improve mine.
Yes, our videographer is not a guitar player, so he just looks at what titles score high in Google that are roughly related to our topic but doesn’t necessarily get surgical with how it relates to the content. I appreciate the comment because it had me come back to take a look at what would be more appropriate for what the topic is.
@@smithsakulkaew Just use a Sansamp instead. You get the same improved bass tone, with more control, for much much less. Noble is completely overpriced
That little box with the Noble and Power on the front, is there a build tutorial for something like that? I’m geeking out on your builds and soaking it all in. Giving me ideas on how to build my next bass board. I’d like to know about that box and how you built it! Please and thank you!
No, but you can download the spacing and dimensions for a D Punch outlet from Neutrik and drill it out yourself. That's what is used for the PowerConn.
Very cool, compact set-up. I wonder, however, why the Noble wasn't used to power the pedals? I know that's one of the selling points of the Noble, but maybe it doesn't have enough power for something like the HX Stomp?
Great video! I want to ask, in this video how do you power the hx stomp? Is there any psu that can power the hx stomp without the current doubler cable? Thanks in advance
Oh for fucks sake, I can't stand this youtube trend of pointing out insignificant dislikes. You think every single dislike is some angry dude that specifically hates the video? NO It could be a bot, an accident, someone's kid randomly tapping their fingers on the screen. Every youtube video will have disliies, stay positive and don't give it more significance than it deserves
Wondered the same thing. @7:24 there's a brief shot of the output side of the Noble showing two 1/4" jacks between the power and the XLR. Maybe a loop is a custom option from Noble? I'd really like to know.
Hi Mason, I'm building my first bass pedalboard exclusively for home use and recording. I really appreciate your videos, I've learned a ton, thank you! I have an Aguilar Tone Hammer and 7 other pedals - I was planning to put the TH first in the chain and use the quarter inch "out" jack to go into the next pedal on the board which is a Darkglass Hyperluminal compressor. Is this the best way to go about it? I know the Tonehammer D.I. xlr out is good for giving a feed to a mixing board but I'm not sure how it figures in a pedalboard situation and if the xlr can/should be used instead of the quarter inch output? My basses are a passive Jazz bass and an active Musicman bass. And can you recommend a volume pedal that works well with both active and passive basses? Thanks again!
Sharon, it's a tricky thing...some of these new preamps have FX loops for you to put some effects pre/post the preamp. In this case, I would run all the effects into the Tone Hammer and use the DI out of this if you are planning on running into the board without an amp. Alternatively you could run the DI out with your dry FX and then use the other output to feed your WET pedals and then feed that in parallel to your mixer or some sort of other cab sim with a DI and mix wet/dry in parallel.
Hello, I am a newbie to the world of midi and programing switchers. I have recently purchased a ES-8 and have some questions concernig it. 1. Do you need a midi thru box to assist the Es-8 in programing multiple patches/algorithms with pedals like H9 max? 2. When you bank up, does the 1-8 switches on the Es-8 become unused and allow you to program a new patch? I.E.@ Bank 1 switch 2 H9 chorus and Bank 2 switch 2 H9 delay. 3. To program and name patches, can you leave the Es-8 all hooked up when you use computer to program it? After watching videos and reading about switchers, I think my brain if fried....lol. Thanks in advance....Gary
G1265 is more like what he'd use - what he actually uses. The ET65 is good too, I usually only use them if I need a 4 ohm speaker since Celestion doesn't make a G1265 in 4 ohm package.
@@dylanlee4776 I'm not sure I'd agree that the Deluxe Reverb has a bass response issue. It's a small combo, I think the issue is getting rid of bass. I wouldn't want a speaker that exaggerates it more.
Thank you for yet another great and informative video. I'm a heathen that lives and dies by his Ernie Ball VP Jr. and uses the tuner out. I have a mix of true bypass and buffered bypass pedals, too many gadgets! But, I have my split signal going to Sans Amp bass drivers. I think I'm doing ok?
Plug a Fender bass into an Ampeg amp and learn how to play. This is the most widely used bass rig used by professional musicians. 45 years of weekly 4 hour gigs gigs teaches you that chasing gear for magical tone is a waste of time and money.
Is it? Sounds like bs to me. “Computers and downloads” are just another tool in our toolboxes. Each to their own, but you’re being intentionally ignorant by simply dismissing them.
Should I add a buffer (or one at each end?) to my bass pedalboard? Currently, chain of effects has bass going into: Boss TU-3s to Rolls Tiny Two-Way Crossover splitting signal at 150 Hz; low output going to MXR Bass Compressor and into Ampeg B2-RE head, high output going to MXR Bass Compressor to Ibanez TS9 to MXR Six-band EQ to MXR Bass Preamp and into Hartke LH500 head. When I add a wah, my Morley Power Wah Boost goes between compressor and TS9. I have two active basses and one passive.
That's the Noble for you, a thousand dollar box that's so transparent you can't even tell it's working. TBF, the tone is warmer, but not a thousand dollars warmer.
Ok so is it preferable to run a dedicated bass input buffer or is the dual functionality and space saving of the stobostomp more than enough reason to just run that for bass?
So let me get this straight a sales engineer at sweetwater and a professional effect pedal tech with the absolute best equipment, cables and knowledge and thats the tone you delivered lol come on boys all that money and know how and you use mustang bass with flats and a mute pad 😂 thanks for the effort though
But....what does the rest of the rig sound like? The sound samples at the end are just switching back and forth between dry direct and dry Noble at different eq settings. What are some other sounds this rig can get besides dry DI and dry Noble?
Very interesting video Mason! I would like to put together a fairly simple bass rig to be able to go balanced to mixer/interface. I currently have a Darkglass Vintage Ultra pedal. What would your suggestions be to add drive, compression, delay and other commonly used bass effects into a fairly simple bass pedalboard? Thanks for your help and keep up the great videos!!
Depends on your drive tastes. I was always a fan of the Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive on Bass because of the clean blend. I also like the Fulltone Bass Drive a lot and some of the MXR Bass Distortion/Overdrive offerings. I also like Tech21/SansAmp drives too for bass or just putting guitar Overdrives with an EQ (that goes in the Bass Range) in a parallel mixer like the Xotic X Blender. For Compression, I like the MXR Studio Bass Compressor. For the wet processing really anything will work, depends on your preferences. A lot of guys do what Robert did here for the wet processing effects and use a Line 6 or Strymon to get a Swiss Army Knife type multi effects to have a bunch of different choices under one roof!
Looking closely at 7:24 this Noble has a effects loop. Look at the Noble site, they don't come with one ;( A little sad about that but I wasnt the benefit of the good transformer the Noble has so will have to run it last in my chain after effects.
@@VertexEffectsInc it definitely is! Got my Noble today. So beautiful! Gonna run last for now then may run parallel with my switcher and use a DISO+ output. Hard not to use the Noble as a DI though it was made for that.
The more I learn, the less I know. Lol I'm a total newbie. I have a question I can't figure out for the life of me. I have a sh1 sansamp. It sounds best if I plug the bass into it and then into the effects loop. I want to add my other pedals. If I run them into the loop, the sansamp alters the amp sound. I want to use the sansamp at times with a couple of pedals but not all of them. If I run the other pedals in the front it doesn't work as the sansamp is in the effects look. I don't like the sansamp through the front. Is there a way to plug everything in and not have the sansamp engaged all the time? I might have just confused myself? Lol hope this makes some sense. Thanks.
If you prefer the effects in the loop you could bypass the preamp section all together and go guitar into SH1 into your FX pedals into the return of your amplifier.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the quick reply. I just tried it and even with the sh1 in the off position it still acts as the preamp and I can't use the amp controls. I guess I could live with it. Thanks again. Love your vids.
Hey Mason, do you have any info on how to build the power sum unit you built for this pedalboard? Alternatively, can you custom build these for clients to purchase?
Active Basses don't need to use an Input buffer pedal but active basses often overload the inputs to guitar pedals/bass pedals. What can you use to overcome this problem with active basses overloading and driving the input front ends on guitar pedals/bass pedals?
@@VertexEffectsInc using a volume pedal changes the tone of the guitar and bass. The Electro harmonix PAD pedal changes the tone active guitar pickups and active bass pickups electronics.
@@waynegram8907 not if you use a high quality buffer or use our Boost connected to the VP. We have a lot of guys that do this. The Boost also helps compensate for output differences between passive and active pickups.
@@VertexEffectsInc yes but your new vertex boost pedal input impedance is 1meg and active bass need 2Meg to 5meg input impedance. Paul Rivera says that using 2meg to 5meg impedance you will hear a difference when using a telecaster guitar but won't hear the difference when using a Stratocaster. The High end gets chopped off he is claiming when the buffers inputs are 1meg. When active bass I'm guessing it chops off the bass response and thickness when using a 1meg input impedance.
@@waynegram8907 the bass amps range...some are as low as 500K some as high a 10M...the baseline might be more optimal a bit higher, but the loading would have the same effect relative to what you're used to hearing.
At 5:35 you mention that you bridged the power of the zuma and the noble into a black box. Can you make a video on how that box works and possibly do a DIY on it??
Eh Mason! I was wondering if you could help a bassy boy out! So I currently run an Active Pre-amp, Passive pick-up bass. I currently use the HX stomps ability to reduce the output gain in the FX loop to run some of the more sensitive pedals (fuzz + Envelope). This currently works well enough. I was wondering if you had any more refined methods to creating a line in the signal chain to place more sensitive pedals. Active Bass >Cali76 Compressor > OC2 > HXSTOMP > HX Effects Send (-7db) > Tone Hammer Input (amp completely flat no active cut) > Tone Hammer Effects Send > Wooly Mammoth(Fuzz) > Matryoshka(Fuzz/Synth) > Spatial Delivery (Envelope) > HX Effects Return (+6db) > HX OUT > Tone Hammer Effects Return. I currently have not had any problems with it at home. This is a covid rig, so I am trying to make it gig proof when real life comes around!
@@VertexEffectsInc I'm still thinking abou assembling one but I meant in the end of the chain. right now I only have a zoom B3 but I want to replace it with a simple compressor, preamp, overdrive, cab-sim rig
If we need a buffer that's between 2-5 Meg, do we need 2 of those? Say the Lehle Sunday Driver, we need one at the beginning and one at the end? Or can we do with just 1 at the beginning and a regular buffer like a Bonafide at the end?
Great info & video as always! What I don’t understand here though is you say to match the input impedance of the amp with the input buffer. The noble is 10 megs & the Peterson tuner is 2.2 megs - why does that work based on the matching the amps input logic? I use a noble and want to incorporate buffers into my rig. All my traditional bass amps (not the noble) have a 1 meg input impedance. With the noble being 10 meg I’m wondering which input buffer to go with for running both an amp behind me & the noble simultaneously. I would prob go with the tc bonafide 1meg, the Peterson 2.2 meg, or the lehle Sunday driver (which I would not be sure if I should set to 1meg or higher for the noble for my setup). Thanks!!!
Ideally, you should match the amp and input buffer as close as possible if you want the closest representation to what the bass sounds like into the amp alone, the way it's set up here, there is going to be some loading versus the bass into the amp, however, there's a threshold when you get up higher - usually about 5M it's very difficult to hear (or feel) a difference. So there will be some offset here, not perfect, but the player also uses active basses so that also impacts the overall impedance as well based on that buffer. You can check out the DIY buffers we have kits and tutorials for and you can set the input impedance based on what value resistor you put in the R1 slot. You can even put it on a toggle switch to have a few input impedance options!
Vertex Effects thanks for the response! I got it now. The question that remains is, if I’m using a passive bass -> noble (10meg) AND running a regular bass amp (1meg) out of the noble’s 1/4” output, should I get an input buffer that’s 2.2meg + or 1meg?
10M is not uncommon for bass amps. This might be just fine as an input buffer, you'd still need an output buffer however if you were running effects after this preamp.
