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How to check a Hybrid/EV 12V Charging System 

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@chanakpugkaing
@chanakpugkaing 6 лет назад
You really know how to present these topics! I own a Prius Prime and I’ve truly enjoyed your clear and concise videos. Many thanks for all your hard work, it is greatly appreciated!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@hanklevi1405
@hanklevi1405 3 года назад
instablaster.
@acerforge3882
@acerforge3882 5 лет назад
Many thanks for explaining this system so thoroughly. You have answered all of my questions about the 12 volt system on my recently aquired hybrid. Absolutely invaluable information for any Toyota and/or hybrid owner. Your generosity in sharing this knowledge with the wider community is very much appreciated.
@JohnClulow
@JohnClulow 3 года назад
This was absolutely super! Thanks so much. We haven't used our 2018 Prime much due to the COVID pandemic and went to start it and the 12V was down. Now, thanks to your video, I know how to check it's viability following a recharge and also how to evaluate the performance of the DC-DC converter should I have to look further into things. One of the best You Tube videos I've seen in terms of clarity of presentation. Well done!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
Thank you very much
@kturek625
@kturek625 3 года назад
AGAIN - You are the best at explaining a very complex concept! Having a few multimeters (2-ADC and 1-VDC) shows exactly what is the state of charge and flow. *BRAVO*
@fernandograca4949
@fernandograca4949 4 года назад
All the video he present is so detail and crystal clear, which L.A have Professor like him. Thanks for posting You Tube.
@dominicfong6341
@dominicfong6341 6 лет назад
I always hit "LIKE" even before finishing your instructional videos.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@yousifalzidjali8388
@yousifalzidjali8388 Год назад
One of the best, ur explanation is clear and u hide no information thank you a lot I enjoyed all ur videos, they are supposed to be shown at Netflix
@docstruthers
@docstruthers 4 года назад
GREAT Video! I'm a stickler for correct terminology usage in videos like this and yours was spot on. Excellent presentation and insight. No wonder you're a professor! Thanks for the video
@Diagnosedan
@Diagnosedan 6 лет назад
John in the beginning of your demonstration there was 0.8 Amps going into the 12v battery but there was no current leaving the Dc-Dc convertor. Where was that current coming from?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
That is a good question. I may have bumped the "Zeroing" knob on the clamp. It could also be a capacitor discharging somewhere, maybe the SIR energy reserve capacitor. Thanks for your feedback.
@shrilohia
@shrilohia 6 лет назад
Excellent step by step and very best explanation to test the said system. Very professional to the point. Great video quality. Thank you.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you
@richardmcqueen879
@richardmcqueen879 4 года назад
For an ordinary guy like we with no technical training, I learn so much from your videos. Excellent presentations! Tell me if you will, will this same test work on a 2014 Mazda 3 hybrid? Thanks for your time.
@SuperMarioDiagnostics
@SuperMarioDiagnostics 6 лет назад
Just saw your motor age article, it would be interesting to see the nvh in action on a diagnosis. But these teachings are way more interesting!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! You can see the NVH app in action right here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s1cr3QaOzGY.html
@timo5635
@timo5635 2 года назад
You are a very good teacher. I have watched your video multiple times, and enjoyed it everytime. You know everything! I just checked the voltage on my Rav4 hybrid (2018) and it read 11.7 v. I have not driven it for 2 weeks. It started and I ran it for 5 minutes. Is it time to change the battery? In the past 6 months we had to jumpstart it to get it started, mainly because we dont drive it but about once a month.
@nishrover
@nishrover 4 года назад
Thanks Heaps Prof. John Kelley.....Amazing Video with huge amount of Quality Knowledge of the electrical side of this Great Car.... Toyota Prius which I enjoy very much. Watched your video just at the right time before I go to change my 12V Aux battery first time in my 2014 Prius .....So I ll do the same voltage test tomorrow after replacing my new battery just to make sure everything is in good order.....Again great to see qualified people like you spend bit of your time in making these youtube videos which will enormously help to moto users to understand complex Hybrid systems....Cheers & Thumbs Up .....more & more great videos ps
@paulfontaine7819
@paulfontaine7819 6 лет назад
Thanks for this very instructive video as always. 10:45 explains negative current = current flowing into the battery (= receiving power = charging). How can this happen while the DC/DC convertor is turned off? Where is that current coming from?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! Good observation. The inverter has a large smoothing capacitor that is discharging for several seconds or minutes after the power is shut off. That may be where it was coming from.
@veejful
@veejful 5 лет назад
Dear Sir, your vedios are of very informative. I learnt a lot about the EV and Hybrid vehicles. But would you please post more case studies, diagnostic type of vedios. God bless 🙏
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 лет назад
Thanks for your feedback, I will
@jacklabloom635
@jacklabloom635 5 лет назад
Your videos on these electric cars are really well done. I am learning a lot from these videos.
@toxroma
@toxroma 2 года назад
Thank you so much mate, I'm from Italy and I've been lucky enough to find this video, I've got a flat battery on my 2014 Yaris Hybrid and I was hoping to find a exhaustive video to check the charging system. I'm so glad that now I can check if is actually working as it should or is just a battery failure. Thanks heaps!!!
@jeffreyherbert91
@jeffreyherbert91 6 лет назад
You may be surprised and saddened to know that in the uk electric vehicle repair and diagnostics is having a cloak of fear and mystery thrown over it by certain manufacturers and institutes who feel that keeping information such as safe disconnection and isolation procedures a closely guarded secret will make them big money by forcing owners to come to them for even minor repairs.....because electricity is special in their vehicles and not the same as all others....very frustrating!!!! We in the uk look to you to save us professor!!!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! I am trying to show my students (and the world) that these vehicles are all basically the same. I will continue to try to take the fear and mystery out of these systems. Have a great day!
@Boom10ful
@Boom10ful 3 года назад
Thanks for posting all of these videos! One question, is it safe to connect a battery charger to a hybrid vehicle while the battery is connected to the vehicle?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
Yes, but many 12V batteries in hybrids and electric vehicle are absorbent glass mat (AGM) batteries. They cannot take much current without overheating and getting destroyed. Always use a charger designed for AGM batteries on AGM batteries. Thanks for watching
@tonymai1844
@tonymai1844 Год назад
Wow, so the DC to DC box would work the same on Tesla vehicles. I got the idea now. I was not sure how the 12v circuit charging out put to feed the 12v system. Now I am clear, completely understand why some guy on youtube could hook up the inverter up to 1000W to use and they still did not get any problem in spite of little 12v prius battery. But doing that could wear out the DC2DC box. Thanks Professor Kelly
@Chris-tg7qb
@Chris-tg7qb 6 месяцев назад
I own a 2022 Ford Maverick and my accessories battery is giving me issues and Ford is clueless. I would love to know the average voltage of the system when it is in ready mode and then what the average resting voltage of the battery is. They have no clue about this... It would be great if you did a video on this hybrid mini truck because I am sure there are others out there with issues. My ready voltage is 15.24 volts and once I shut down it dives to around 12.54 volts and decreases as it sits. I wish they would just put a new battery in and see if it is faulty. They want to wait and see and I don't like this approach. How does one get this information? Thanks for your amazing knowledge and you are truly a gift for everyone taking your classes.
@wenseslao521
@wenseslao521 6 лет назад
Very nice lesson and you are an awesome teacher thanks for sharing your knowledge
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@compu85
@compu85 6 лет назад
I have to admit we've used our Fiat 500e several times to jump start diesels with dead batteries. The car has a display which shows 12v load, while cranking the dead car it will show about 2500 watts. The 12v power the 500e can put out is quite impressive - though I'm sure the repair bill from a failed converter would be quite shocking too...
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
You have been lucky so far. It would be very expensive for sure. Thanks for the feedback.
@user-uq7io2os3r
@user-uq7io2os3r 10 месяцев назад
​@WeberAuto many thanks for all your knowledge and, I'm right assuming so you should be fine replacing weak 12v battery with acid gel bigger (upto 100Ah) battery and then be able to jump started safely other vehicles from rav4 2019 hybrid? As essential jum start is done by 12v battery not converter wich works more like a 100Ah alternator in normal ICE vehicles? If I'm mistaken pls correct me as I'm looking into subject if rav4 hybrid is a good donner vehicle for compact camper like vehicle wich will involve a lot more power drain then standard rav4 45Ah 12v battery can sustain. Many thx in advance for your reply on this matter 👍
@francoisgravel8728
@francoisgravel8728 3 года назад
Great video, thank you! @WeberAuto How much amp does the DC-DC converter sends to 12v battery on the RAV4 Hybrid 2019-21 and the RAV4 Prime? I saw someone putting a 2000w inverter on the RAV4 2019 Hybrid directly to the 12v battery (with a 200amp fuse) and I was surprised. Thank you!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
Thank you. I don't understand why some people think that connecting an inverter to a hybrid or electric vehicle will be any different than connecting it to the 12V battery of any other vehicle. As you saw in this video, a properly operating DC-DC converter only sends less than 10A to a fully charged 12V battery. The rest of the DC-DC converter output is there to power the rest of the vehicle's 12V systems and accessories. - The RAV4 hybrid has a liquid cooled DC-DC converter under the inverter. It is rated for a maximum output of 120A. - The RAV4 Prime has an air-cooled remote DC-DC converter under the back seat. It is rated for a maximum output of 150A. As demonstrated in this video, the vehicle's 12V system can easily take 70A to operate with the engine running. A 2000W inverter under a full load will try to draw a maximum of 138A with the vehicle powered on with the DC-DC converter output at 14V. The RAV4 hybrid DC-DC converter is rated for a maximum of 120A; if the vehicle uses 70A, only 50A is available for the 2000W inverter. Obviously, the DC-DC converter cannot supply the remaining 88A of current, so the 12V battery makes up the difference for a while until it goes dead. At most, under full load, a 600W inverter is all that the system can possibly handle without overheating the DC-DC converter or running the 12V battery dead.
@francoisgravel8728
@francoisgravel8728 3 года назад
@@WeberAuto Thanks a lot for this answer. 150A is what I found in the fuse box, but I wasn't 100% sure it was the maximum output of the DC-DC converter. Few other questions : 1) Does standard ICE car have more powerful DC-DC converter from your experience? 2) The Prime has a more powerful DC-DC with 150A compare to Hybrid 120A but is air-cooled instead of liquid-cooled, is this a disadvantage? What the decision taken to save space? 3) On the RAV4 Prime, I suppose that a 1000w inverter is very safe if you say that 70A is uses for all accessories, right? 80A*14v =1120w. Considering that the inverter will be use in circumstances where car accessories will be off in general (no heater, no defrost, no seat heater, etc.), I could go with 1500w keeping that in mind. Does it makes sense? Thanks again and have a safe day!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
@@francoisgravel8728 1. ICE uses an alternator instead of a DC-DC converter, but they perform the same basic function of supplying power to the vehicle's 12V system while keeping the battery charged. Some are more powerful, some are less. 2. Air-cooled is a potential disadvantage due to the temperature of the air. It will perform better with cool air. The decision to move the DC-DC converter to under the back seat is related to an additional boost converter being added to the bottom of the inverter on the Prime. 3. Yes, that is true, but the DC-DC converter and the inverter you are connecting to the 12V battery were not designed to run at maximum output for hours at a time. They both can overheat and even shut themselves down if that happens. Best wishes.
@malsyned
@malsyned 2 года назад
Do you know if the inverter for the 1800W 120V AC outlet in the trunk of the Rav4 Prime XSE with the Premium Package is powered by the DC-DC converter, or directly off of the HV traction battery? Relatedly, do you know if the Premium XSE uses the same DC-DC converter as the base model?
@francoisgravel8728
@francoisgravel8728 2 года назад
@@malsyned It's 1500w, not 1800w. It is using a DC-DC converter connected directly to the traction battery, only available on Premium package (Techno in Canada). Standard XSE and SE doesn't have this specific DC-DC converter.
@retirednongeek7405
@retirednongeek7405 Месяц назад
Hello! Great video and explanation. I notice there have been no recent replies, but I am hopeful you or some other viewer can answer my questions. 1.) For a 2nd generation Prius, can the 14.5V DC cable out from the inverter/converter assembly be accessed (for putting on a clamp for a multimeter) without having to remove any of the shrouds, such as at the wipers? Perhaps from below? I can see from the video where the cable exits, but can't see it from above looking at my 2004 Prius. 2.) At the 12V battery, to meter the amps entering or leaving the 12V battery, the metal bracket that connects the fuse block to the positive terminal is very short and very close to the top of the battery. Is this where the clamp for the multimeter needs to be placed, or is there some other way to meter the amperage entering or leaving the 12V battery? And, 3.) when I check to voltage at the jump start terminal and ground under the hood, I am apparently not getting any voltage to charge the 12V battery. My readings are the same as if the car is not powered on, about 12.4 volts. Does this indicate that the DC to DC converter is not working, or could it possibly be a fuse at the fuse block at the 12V battery? Any comments or suggestions on how to further diagnose would be greatly appreciated.
@electronicsrepairschool
@electronicsrepairschool 5 лет назад
Very useful video! But, i still don't get it how the 12v battery get charged with 800mA when the hybrid system its off ?!?1 Don't get me wrong, thats great, i can stick my dash cam with parking mode on and i will never get the 12v battery discharged. But the question is still there, how the 12v battery can get charged with 800mA is the car its off :) Thx for the video
@J87styka
@J87styka Год назад
Как же он здорово всё объясняет
@planet1250
@planet1250 5 лет назад
Hi professor Jhon, i would like to thank you as i've learned so much from your videos. I sincerely appreciate the effort you put in your explanations and your dedication to precision in general. Anyway i hope you realize that you are giving the world an awesome possibility: the access to knowledge ; I'm having some troubles with a doubt however and figured maybe you could help me: what type of scanners work best for newer toyotas? the vcx and tis the are circulating on the internet are not good for vehicles newer then 2015. A big thank you from Italy
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 лет назад
Thank you, see techinfo.toyota.com/techInfoPortal/appmanager/t3/ti?_pageLabel=ti_ts_lite&_nfpb=true
@planet1250
@planet1250 5 лет назад
@@WeberAuto No, THANK YOU
@mohmedsirajkasadiya9367
@mohmedsirajkasadiya9367 8 месяцев назад
Great job explaining to very high level..appreciate thankiyou very much ❤❤❤
@sablan02
@sablan02 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for this video! Great information! Do you happen to have the part numbers for those amp clamps? Thanks in advance
@dandelay8639
@dandelay8639 6 лет назад
Great video(s)!! Does the charging system specify the efficiency, what is the energy loss of the DC to DC converter? In addition, does the high voltage charging system specify the energy loss during charging of the high voltage battery? Again, thank you very much for these very interesting and informational videos!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! Yes, all of that information can be seen on the Toyota Scan tool. The DC-DC converter creates a lot of heat in the conversion and is liquid cooled.
@aleixbayes1617
@aleixbayes1617 Год назад
Standing ovation! Thank you.
@LucidNRG
@LucidNRG 4 года назад
I am interested to know how many amps of headroom you would recommend for the stereo system. some Prius' and ct200h's have amps and subwoofers stock. i want to know even more about the limits of the DC to DC converter.
@zi4259
@zi4259 2 года назад
Absolutly great knowledge sir, Good on u. I have a question, what happens if 2020 hybrid corolla is left for a longer period of time and both 12 volt and hybrid batteries run out of charge. Do we have to replace or recharge the 12 volt batter only and start the car, or is there something i am missing. Thank you in advance.
@toyotatechMDT
@toyotatechMDT 6 лет назад
Excellent as always John. Thank you.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@terminationshokv
@terminationshokv 3 года назад
Thanks for explaining the system. How much current is the dc-dc converter on the 2021 Toyota Sienna rated for?
@shakeelsss
@shakeelsss 2 года назад
Thanks for this video and I will see sometimes next year. I should register soon for all 3 phases.
@JohnSmith-ug5ci
@JohnSmith-ug5ci 6 лет назад
Very educational. Thank you.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 6 лет назад
Great explanation on how this system works... Love you channel. So much good information. Thx. Wanted to let you know I have a 2008 Prius and had no issues finding a 12V battery for it at AutoZone.. got an Optimus AGM type. Was $175 I think.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! There are auto parts stores that may have a battery that will "fit", but be warned that not all of them have a vent tube attachment. By law, the flammable battery vent gasses must exit the vehicle through that tube going through the floor. If your battery does not have a vent tube connected to it, it is a potentially dangerous situation because the gasses can get into the air inside the passenger compartment. Best wishes!
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 6 лет назад
WeberAuto The Optima AGM spiral batter did have a vent..
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Good to hear! Thanks for the feedback
@user-uq7io2os3r
@user-uq7io2os3r 10 месяцев назад
​@@kens97sto171are you sure about it? As I just fit optima yellow top 100Ah to mine Montero as twin battery split setup a can't recall any tube,vent on that battery..
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 10 месяцев назад
@@user-uq7io2os3r My comments from 5 years ago. I have no idea with the availability is on optima batteries currently. Or if quality has changed. The one I originally put in my car lasted just a little bit under the warranty. Keep in mind I was driving the car 50 to 60,000 per year. So a lot more miles were put on that battery then an average person. Second battery that they replaced for free is still working. From what I've heard more recently. Your best bet is to get a battery directly from Toyota. Supposedly the quality is a bit better and it's actually cheaper than most of the aftermarket choices. But that's specifically for the Prius
@gouveiaclassicos
@gouveiaclassicos 3 года назад
Amazing this is just a standard 45h battery in Europe normally know as 063, we have the same problem In Europe finding a side terminal battery for American cars congratulations very good video
@jontscott
@jontscott 6 лет назад
Nice video, only point I question is if jump starting with a normal engine/alternator is better or worse than with a nice DC/DC converter setup like this. I have a 05 Escape Hybrid and find it likes to jump start cars as even at idle there is a solid 14 volt output, while my other car with an alternator at idle under higher load will let the voltage sag and struggle. I would expect that in the DC/DC converter design over current has been handled and the DC/DC converter would nicely limit the output current as it approaches the maximum output? Maybe even thermal limiting too so the DC/DC converter protects itself?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Some DC-DC converters have built-in protection, but others do not. I do know that the owner's manuals of all of these vehicles warn against jump starting other vehicles. Best wishes!
@ikusha84
@ikusha84 6 лет назад
As it's clearly mentioned in this great video, if you decide to jump start other car, just don't forget to switch of the vehicle to isolate battery from DC-DC converter. Other thing to consider is, if these 12V batteries used in hybrid cars are designed to supply cranking currents. I guess they are not...
@wilbertstakenborg5167
@wilbertstakenborg5167 Год назад
Thanks i love the Videos,a lot of Toyota Rav4 hybrid 2019-2023 have Problems with the battery and the cosumption or empty battery ,it would-be be Great to make a Video Off this big Problem and i realy Hope that DOCTOR Weber has a Solution
@bfarns1001
@bfarns1001 6 лет назад
Well done John, as always.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@asifijaz2105
@asifijaz2105 4 года назад
Hi. Professor. I. Am. AsIF. Thanks. GoD. U. R. Safe. GOD. Bless u. Now I. Want. Take. Admission. In. You. University so pls give me your contact no. I. Am in New York. Thanks. Give me reply
@electrocar64
@electrocar64 6 лет назад
Great video! Thanks MR Kelly
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@johnparsons4349
@johnparsons4349 4 года назад
Does the DC-DC Converter on the Prius Prime have sufficient power to accommodate a high power aftermarket stereo system? Would it handle 1,500 watts from an aftermarket amplifier?
@trublue2319
@trublue2319 Год назад
You're amazing sir
@caseykittel
@caseykittel 4 года назад
thank you professor Kelly! I love your lessons. I have a question about the 3rd gen plug-in prius. RE: using dc to ac inverter. - I'm trying to hook up an inverter (pure sign wave 12v dc to 120v ac as large as possible) I want to power some stuff in my house if the power goes out. - I plan on keeping the car on in the ready mode while I'm using the inverter. - I am thinking about hooking up to the dc-dc output rather than the battery. I'll install a fuse of course. is this right? seems right considering this is where other high current things are running from. - if I keep all of the aux stuff off (lights, climate, defroster, radio, etc) do you think it would be safe to use an inverter that runs around 1,000w but peaks closer to 1,500? - I would rather use the traction battery using an inverter designed for a solar system. that could power my entire house! thanks!
@simplyraw1369
@simplyraw1369 2 года назад
Did you do this? Did it work? Curious is all!
@caseykittel
@caseykittel 2 года назад
@@simplyraw1369 I bought a refurb ups backup for a computer. Maybe 1,500 watts, but I messed up and got one that is 24 volts. Not sure how to move forward. I already had a 12 volt ups but it’s not a pure sine wave inverter. I don’t trust it. Super crusty square wave. Not even close to a sine wave. I think buying an old inverter for a small solar system would be the best. Hook it to the traction battery. 200+ volts DC in and 120 v AC out. Seems like it would work. Maybe I’ll find one at auction.
@joselitomarquessilva3359
@joselitomarquessilva3359 6 лет назад
Muito bom. Aprendo muito com essas dicas. Sensacional
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@chinou6037
@chinou6037 5 лет назад
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge. You really contribue to make this world better living !
@jeffreyherbert91
@jeffreyherbert91 6 лет назад
Great video.....is there a need to check for ac ripple in these systems?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! Good question! The DC-DC converter steps down the higher voltage by converting it to AC, stepping it down through a buck transformer, and then inverting it back to low voltage DC through a rectifier bridge (similar to an alternator's rectifier). To answer your question, I do not know for sure, but I suspect the answer is yes.
@michaelyawkal4592
@michaelyawkal4592 6 месяцев назад
Tnx a lot prof my appretaion to you to help us is so big big big
@ricardofelippe834
@ricardofelippe834 5 лет назад
Very good explanation.
@philh9238
@philh9238 4 года назад
2 questions for you. How does the engine kicking on charge the high voltage battery? And what would cause the 120 amp fuse to blow for the dc dc converter?
@gmak1n785
@gmak1n785 3 года назад
Great video thanks
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@david619dc
@david619dc 6 лет назад
Thank you professor I don't have three voltmeters so I'm going to use my 4 ch Pico scope.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
That would work as well with the current clamps. Thanks for the feedback!
@christemplett1522
@christemplett1522 5 лет назад
Clear and precise Thank you
@MrJoejewelz
@MrJoejewelz 3 года назад
not adding a competition audio system but i did invest a auxiliary dc to dc converter 20 amp battery charger made by renogy to charge a second agm battery to help power audio system not trying to go past 1100 watts. i have 2021 corolla le hybrid
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
Thanks for watching
@chrisliberty1773
@chrisliberty1773 6 лет назад
Always informative, thanks for a great lesson.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@paulaxford6754
@paulaxford6754 4 года назад
Hello, John ... I have been characterising the LDC in my Kona Electric (over OBD2) and it certainly is very similar with an approximate 10 min initial period of constant voltage at (a fairly-high) 14.7 V, followed by maintaining nearly zero current flow in or out of the aux battery for the duration. This is in "Run" mode (same as ready), "Utility" (same as Run but for stationary use), or while charging off AC (and I assume DCFC). I haven't checked what happens after 20 hours of being in any of those modes, however it must have a similar measure. Also, the Kona has a user setting to charge the aux battery every 24 hours if the car sits unused and that is for a duration of 15 minutes. I'm not clear yet on how the IBS and LDC determine the SoC and SoH of the aux battery (and it's a similar size and type to that in the Prius) but I did see what appeared to be a 4 minute load test during a drive that occurred directly after the 10 min charge period. As usual I enjoy your videos ... thanks!
@WagnerCaixeta
@WagnerCaixeta 4 года назад
You are amazing. Tks for this video.
@theblacktwinmusic
@theblacktwinmusic 3 года назад
I’m the 1000th like 😄 Love all the videos related to Prius. A very good teacher you are.
@raviautoscanning
@raviautoscanning 3 года назад
Great sir
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
Thanks for watching
@SkaBob
@SkaBob Год назад
Our Kia Niro PHEV varied the voltage depending on conditions. Driving in the day with minimal load the car only ran the 12V system around 13-13.4V to reduce the draw on the hybrid battery. But switching on the headlights would cause the voltage to jump to 14-14.4V, I'm assuming because it had halogen bulbs and running them at low voltage would make them dim. If it had all LED bulbs then it wouldn't need to increase the voltage since the LED's have their own power power module and only actually need a few volts.
@matthewweaver1123
@matthewweaver1123 5 лет назад
Professor Kelly. I have a 3rd generation prius. I only learned about 2 weeks ago that the Prius has electric supplemental heat. Which has 3, 30 amp fuses. So the supplemental heat can theoretically pull close to 90 amps. Does this exceed what the converter is able to supply while it is in use? Especially considering on the days the supplemental heat is used, the rear defroster is probably also being used. If so would you recommend not using the electric heat?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 лет назад
The current through the fuses will typically be half of the fuse rating. Yes, the DC-DC converter can handle all of those loads.
@seanlutzi2911
@seanlutzi2911 2 года назад
i have a 2018 honda accord hybrid with a incredible arcing sound from under hood of my car when switching from battery mode to engine(charging mode) comes on. sounds like electrical arcing and its definitely not normal!! also my 12v battery only lasted 2 yrs and was replaced by honda at no charge. but they cant mimic the sound i hear all the time... its really bothersome and after watching this video im sure it has to do with inverter (in back seat) and somewhere on fuse block to 12V battery. its not a good sound at all sounds like my car is about to catch fire or die... any ideas????? dealers just brush me off and think im crazy but wife and kids say trade it in let it be someone else's prob... but i like the car otherwise.... thanks your videos are fantastic... very educational
@rahmanghorbanali1108
@rahmanghorbanali1108 6 лет назад
Hi Jan tanks very good
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@delta-vhybrids3808
@delta-vhybrids3808 6 лет назад
Thank you for this. Can you teach us insulation testing of stators? I have a fluke cat3 digital multimeter with insulation testing but I'm not sure about where to set it when testing mg1 and mg2. The multimeter settings for insulation tests are 50V ,100V, 250V, 500V and 1000V. Kind regards.....
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you! I am actually working on a video about mega-ohmmeters and milli-ohmmeters right now.
@delta-vhybrids3808
@delta-vhybrids3808 6 лет назад
WeberAuto Great. Looking forward to it.
@dougledbetter6607
@dougledbetter6607 4 года назад
Hello. Will the charging system in a 2018 Avalon hybrid be able to charge 2 auxiliary batteries? Since the original battery is a vented lead acid battery, can I connect a heavier duty AGM battery to it to power an aftermarket stereo?
@leokowalski
@leokowalski 6 лет назад
Thank you for this interesting video! Greetings from germany.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@roberthuntley1090
@roberthuntley1090 11 месяцев назад
I've got a digital volt meter plugged into my car's cigarette lighter socket (on a 2019 Lexus UX), to keep a check on the 12 volts battery and recently noticed something odd when I put the car into Park. Background to my concern is that I had to have the car jump started during Covid lockdown, since I wasn't doing enough miles. Would welcome any comments/advice, thanks in advance. Basically, when the car has just started up I see 14.4 volts when the battery is charging, which drops to 12.4 volts once full charge has been reached - so far so sensible. It can take an hour's driving to reach this state. However, if I put the car into Park with a fully charged battery the voltage rises to 13.7 volts. My suspicion is that Park position slightly overcharges the battery with the strongest cells gassing slightly, and the weaker ones still absorbing charge and catching up (an equalising charge). Is this common to other Toyota/Lexus hybrids? Must admit, that I now routinely put the car into Park when stopped in traffic instead of leaving it it Drive (with Autohold enabled). Is it a good idea to leave the car sitting in Park for several minutes at the end of a journey. PS - The scary number is how low the voltage drops momentarily when starting the car. After being parked for a week, I often see it drop to 10.4 volts, and last week it dropped to 9.8 volts (only drove a few miles in the preceding fortnight). Any tips to reduce battery drain when the car is parked would be welcomed.
@delta-vhybrids3808
@delta-vhybrids3808 6 лет назад
Fantastic
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@sadanandj7135
@sadanandj7135 4 года назад
Very useful.
@bjron80
@bjron80 6 лет назад
Thanks for great video. That 13A what electronic take is quite much if all devices were off. And of course there is also some usage in 200v side like BMS and contactors. Did u had AC button pressed when u turned blower to max? I think it was on because i heared ac compressor noise with frequency controller noise. Ac will draw about 2kw so cars engine started quite soon both times. Also when engine was on there was 8a more usage in 12v. Im thinking make 230v in small festivals. With 12v 600w inverter connected to 12v battery. Voltage dropped from 14.0v to 13.9 with 50a load. So 100a it will drop to 13.8v, still ok. I think its still better make that 600w with prius than small 4stroke aggregator. Noice and emission will be much smaller in Prius. Because catalysator and more effiency motor. Still extra power takers 13a+8a in prius might do that prius will burn more gasoline for that. Its like 8 hour event. On other way I wont do it with normal not Hybrid gasoline car. It need to be on idle all time and belt driven brushed alternator have so poor effiency, about 20% effiency.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Yes, AC on with blower on max, but AC compressor runs on high voltage, not the 12V system. With the engine running, there is also the fuel pump, fuel injectors, etc. Keep in mind that the DC-DC converter has a maximum limit of 100A on this 4th gen, 120A on the 3rd gen, 80A on the 2nd gen, and 100A on the 1st gen Prius.
@bjron80
@bjron80 6 лет назад
Thanks for info. I was calculating engine start up times when 200v battery need to be filling up. With 2kw AC compressor and 14v 50a = 700w engine starts about 4x more often than just with 700w load.
@bjron80
@bjron80 6 лет назад
Here are videotimes from engine; 14:51 on engine.. video cutted 76sec. 16:07 off engine video cutted 144sec. 18:33 on engine 71sec 19:44 off engine I would say that without AC on it will still load battery 60sec but use time will be 4x longer about 600sec. So it could have 1:10 engine on cycle. And it will have 10x more load to engine then just engine idling. So it do about 7000w when starting then use 700w for 10times longer and start again. Its sound good effiency load. But it still use just 0.116kwh of its 220v battery which is just about 1:10 of 1.3kwh battery. I thought it will use it always about half.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
The AC compressor draws about 1.7kW on max cold
@bjron80
@bjron80 6 лет назад
Here is link how to make chevy volt to power plant. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ECDJkx0Sbv4.html it is just for 12v side still but wont remove warranty or need authorizations. If u want really make it power plant it need to be taken from 400v battery and supply that power to 400v dc input 20kw 240v 60hz solar inverter. Thats how u will easily take 20kw out from Volt but u need to be professional for that. And warranty must ended so over 160000km driven models only.
@PandiKristo
@PandiKristo 3 месяца назад
Hello i have 1 questions for you. What happened when negative cable hv battery connected with the body car .
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 5 лет назад
John - thanks for this. I hear that the battery is a non-AGM battery - do you have any idea why TOYOTA didn't put in an AGM battery. Is a wet/flooded battery more suitable for what the PRIUS uses 12v for? thanks Alan.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 5 лет назад
The fourth generation Prius uses a regular lead-acid battery although is is a European Normal (EN) size. the owner's manual states that any lead-acid battery can be used as long as it fits in the battery tray and the hold down brackets. An AGM battery is not needed when mounted under the hood. Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM) batteries were used in the previous generations of the Prius because Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) have special requirements for a battery mounted inside the passenger compartment or trunk. For example: 1.The battery must vent flammable gasses to the outside of the vehicle through a tube in the floor. 2. The battery must be properly covered to prevent electrolyte spillage on vehicle occupants in an accident. 3. The battery must be properly secured to prevent short electrical circuits in an accident or during harsh driving conditions AGM batteries are not required by law in these vehicles, but they are ideal for use inside the vehicle because AGM batteries: - Have non-spillable electrolyte - Are less likely to vent gasses AGM batteries have some unique charging system needs: 1. They must not exceed a certain temperature or they can vent gasses. This will permanently damage the battery. 2.Many have a charging current limit of 4-5 amps for no longer than 10 hours when using an external charger. There is no time limit when the vehicle's own charging system is charging it because it monitors the temperature and adjusts the charge rate to avoid overheating the battery. Anyone replacing an AGM battery with a non-AGM battery in an earlier Prius or any other vehicle is literally taking their life, and the lives of their passengers, in their own hands. I hope that helps. Best wishes.
@simplyraw1369
@simplyraw1369 2 года назад
@@WeberAuto this reply was just what I wanted / needed to know! I have a 2012 3rd gen Prius somewhere I had read it's "just" a 12volt battery now I know that it is NOT AND the reason why too! I respect your knowledge and appreciate the sharing as well. I hope that those that can do make a donation too. I KNOW words don't pay bills. I personally would however my money is currently not even enough to pay mine That's why I am looking, reading & watching all about Prius! I actually googled how to test battery using a fluke on Prius. . My mechanic aka best dad ever! RIP ( though I know he isn't resting he is busy guiding me still!) I watched him many times so In my need I knew it was time to put it back to use. I don't believe in coincidences I believe there's a reason for everything and the reasons go beyond what we even know. Again My sincere thanks on many levels.
@glenngoodale1709
@glenngoodale1709 6 лет назад
Two thumbs up from me!!
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@funlovingJohn
@funlovingJohn 6 лет назад
If you do not use your Toyota Avalon Hybrid let's say for 6 months, and your batteries do not have enough charge left to start the engine. By charging the 12 volt battery will it also charge the 200+ volt battery through the inverter converter?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
No, but the HV battery should not run down in 6 months. The 12v one is supposed to be disconnected if it is going to sit for a while. See the owners manual for long term storage.
@RaulDukeKnife
@RaulDukeKnife 2 года назад
You really are the Hybrid Whisperer. What’s the system trying to protect in the constant voltage mode after 20 straight hours ?
@pacowaco2765
@pacowaco2765 19 дней назад
The Prius 12v battery does not crank the gas engine . . besides the electric power steering why does it need a full-size 12v battery ? I suspect a thumb size 12v battery can jump the vehicle using the jump points ? Your cigar lighter likely can jump it's own Prius ?
@stevedutcher3875
@stevedutcher3875 6 лет назад
Off subject again, since my 2017 Chevy Volt service manual hasn’t arrived yet, how hard is it to replace the A/C compressor and where is located?
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Very difficult, behind the engine. Why do you want to replace it? It cam be a very complex job flushing put the refrigerant system with the battery chiller in the system.
@chubbysumo2230
@chubbysumo2230 Год назад
hey, I know this video is old, but hopefully you see this and can answer it, but is the DC to DC converter in the newer hybrids like the sienna and highlander hybrid the same nominal amperage rating of around 60 to 80 amps nominal?
@ReubenHorner
@ReubenHorner 4 года назад
So if you disconnect that hall effect current sensor onto the battery it should go into constant voltage mode right?
@bjron80
@bjron80 6 лет назад
Also prius/volt/leaf will be nice car to build big Audio systems on it. Because those have good supply on 12v power. So u dont need extra 12v batteries near amplifiers. Volt and Leaf also have 3-6kw AC charger so u dont need to buy big 100a 12v charger with poor effiency. And u got car charge also ;) Lot of Hifi events are indoors so no engine run allowed. Actually that forest festival can supply also from Leaf. There is chademo fast charger in 10km away. Leaf can be powersupply all weekend without extra trip to charger. Two day will take about 12kwh car battery still have about 20kwh.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thanks for your feedback!
@fw1367
@fw1367 11 месяцев назад
Hey. What do u think about ad a amp of 400w rms to a corolla hybrid 2020. 4ohm speaker. Max load is about 28A whit a sinuswave signal. Do the 12volt battery and ev system be okay?
@stevedutcher3875
@stevedutcher3875 6 лет назад
Last year I brought a new 2017 Volt (20 miles) there is Ogden that had hail damage. I got it for about 1/2 of the full MSRP. Chevrolet will not warranty the car because of the savage title. The A/C quit working (18,000 miles) and it leaks all the R134A out of the compressor, the dealer here (North Dakota) says it needs a new one ($1350 + $1650 labor). I purchase one on eBay for $90.00 out of a savaged 2017 Volt. It could be one of the lines that attaches to the compressor, but I was hoping to DIY it. Is it possible? I have replaced one on my Semi: have scale, gauges, R134A, & Vacuum pump.
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
As long as it is just a refrigerant leak problem, changing the compressor should be a matter of unbolting the old one and replacing it. If there are any metal flakes inside the system, the entire system will need to be flushed out, and possibly some other parts replaced. I am sorry to hear of this problem, I have never heard of that happening before on a Volt. Be sure to use new o-rings at the compressor hose connection. If there are signs of compressor oil loss, add some more oil to compensate. Best wishes!
@sphericalsphere
@sphericalsphere 3 года назад
Looking at this, is there any reason whatsover that the 12V battery needs to be as large as it is? One could just get a 12V LiFe small CC Motorcycle starter battery. It weighs like a pound or 2 and can supply 300A and charge at 20A. It seems like it would have an easy life of just turning the computer on and maybe once in a while move a power seat while the hybrid system is off. Shaves an easy 30-40lb off the car for under $200. Might also save a little bit of electricity as it has higher charging efficiency and less internal resistance. And in my Lexus I would actually also gain some trunk space from it. Am I missing something here?
@LayVanny-c1s
@LayVanny-c1s 3 месяца назад
@Weberauto I have Prius 2019 and it’s cost a lot fuels (9L/100m) in city. Can you tell me what should I do?
@kornshadow097
@kornshadow097 2 года назад
Isn't the -0.8 voltage from Battery output due to calibration issue? Or does the power actually leak voltage when it's off? Because wouldn't the output from inverter be the same amount of current going into the battery? (just as a negative on one and positive on the other,minus minimal losses?)
@RamzieFarhan
@RamzieFarhan 5 лет назад
Dear Professor, I own a new generation 2017 Honda Fit Hybrid i-DCD system that uses one motor. I wonder if the DC-DC converter can support Silver Calcium or Calcium Calcium battery since the voltage charging point is at much higher compared to regular flooded lead acid battery.
@victorermita4972
@victorermita4972 3 года назад
Hi, on the recent models of the Prius Prime can you tell me what the amperage is of the fuse between the dc converter to the 12v?
@funlovingJohn
@funlovingJohn 8 месяцев назад
Is a 12V 50ah lithium battery safe to replace the OEM 12V lead acid battery in a 2019 Toyota Avalon Hybrid?
@FrankODB86
@FrankODB86 2 года назад
so the AGM battery is not necessary anymore in the recent hybrids?
@drimranzaferbucha6790
@drimranzaferbucha6790 3 года назад
Please advice can I use a verta 45A battery in my 4th generation prius
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 3 года назад
I am not familiar with that battery. Thanks for watching
@LaconicMind
@LaconicMind 6 лет назад
love your videos
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@jasonmartinez7667
@jasonmartinez7667 2 года назад
How would you go about powering an aftermarket stereo system let's say 5000 watts?
@bilbil2960
@bilbil2960 2 года назад
Hi That is a great video i am thankful so much , if u do new epsoid fur us about exactly which part is responsible inside inverter converter assemly i know u did an epsoid but i realy need more more explination ,my best regards
@shotatsiklauri6538
@shotatsiklauri6538 6 месяцев назад
Lot thanks. yesterday my car start problem. when starting in electric everything was ok, after gas engine start working on dashboard battery red light coms on and was not charging.
@inthewoods5640
@inthewoods5640 4 года назад
I have a 2012 plugin that just die . It has 303k on it. I’m just curious if I can figure out what’s wrong with it. I Checked the battery ,each of the four cells had 50.3 V on each one of them for a total 201v output. ECU codes are p0a94, p1a64, p1a67, p1a61 and p31ab that will not reset and yes 150 fuse is good. Any help or Clues would be appreciated.
@inthewoods5640
@inthewoods5640 4 года назад
an update ,the car is running. I had to use a better scan tool and clear the low-voltage prevention lock! All good!
@simplyraw1369
@simplyraw1369 2 года назад
I have a 2012 too though today 2022 has only 79k miles love seeing that yours has 303k and still going wow!! ( I think we Prius drivers need to start giving each other ✌️ signs when we drive by like the jeep owners "wave" for we all know how to be good a banker *on the choice of car anyways lol....
@geojor
@geojor 6 лет назад
all good, thanks ...
@WeberAuto
@WeberAuto 6 лет назад
Thank you!
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