I did it yesterday and can confirm. I downshifted from 3rd to 2nd gear on my Honda Unicorn at about 30kmph, There was a very loud grinding noise, The rear wheel locked up immediately and skidded and my bike stalled in the middle of the road. Things could have gone south very easily
@@ardwivedi16 any new maneuver you learn should be practiced in an empty parking lot away from traffic before you take it out to the street for your safety and others. Mainly for others safety cuz obviously you don’t care about your own. Numbnuts.
Tried it a couple times on my 400 until one moment when I did it I could feel the chain jumping out of the front sprocket and spun freely till it found itself back on the front sprocket. Never again
@@AdolfHitler-pm3lc it damages the gearbox, it can also cause your rear wheel to lock up and it's also very dangerous to do this in busy traffic because of the sudden jerk you give to the throttle. I Have downshifted couple of times on my dad's Royal Enfield Classic 500 and so far apart from the sudden jerks there hasn't been any issues.
I’m not going to like I road manual cars, did it sometimes and when I did it accidentally I was like “ this guy added a quick shifter” nice. Then I realized the same thing lol
I find it much easier to apply slight upwards pressure before upshifting, then roll off the throttle a bit. It will upshift by itself without you needing to apply more upwards force, and does feel a lot smoother. Also applies to downshift, apply slight downwards pressure then blip the throttle. It'll go in by itself. It does help to also be braking as well.
Oh, interesting. That's how I shift already, but also pull in the clutch just enough for the gear to change.... Makes me wonder how different simply *not* working the clutch would feel 🤔
@@thefaboo On my bike, it feels similar but you get more resistance if you rolled off the throttle not quite right. However, you get on the power again quicker. Pulling in the clutch a little bit does make it even smoother though.
For beginner its a good thing for getting the feeling first but beware it can tear your shift fork, its like your hand always holding or resting your hand on manual car.
When I was taught how to do this in a 18 wheeler, it was the most satisfying thing I had done up to that point. I love floating gears. Have to give this a shot on my bike tomorrow.
I'm not a street guy, I'm a two-stroke dirt guy, but that shouldn't make a difference, I find your shorts very useful, and informational, especially your short on the difference between cable and wire throttle. And the jigster jokes are hysterical.
I just discovered this last week lol (driving about a year with a clutch) its really great when the road not too busy but in bust traffic I prefer the clutch
Well get a bike like mine it's got slipper clutch n quick shifter when downshifting if you are trying to downshift clutchless n the speed is too fast it simple won't let you until it is a safe speed to downshift. 🤣
On my gixxer on up shifts the best way I've found it works is putting gentle pressure on the gear shift lever and then closing the throttle BRIEFLY by one third from where it was. If you're at 30% throttle you bring it down to 20% and then back to normal. It just snikets into the next gear as smooth as possible. But that's on a gixxer thaw. Your mileage may very.
I can definitely confirm that clutchless upshifting cant be too hard on the bike as my 2003 KLX125 has had the same clutch and transmission gears as it had since I got it. I never clutchless downshift though.
On the downshift (at least as long as it’s casual needed to slow down but you don’t need full engine braking yet) let all the way off the throttle and then roll back on it the ever so slightest and hold it there (so you’re on throttle but not accelerating) and you can cleanly and freely drop it down as many gears as you want
This is basically how you would change gears on a semi-manual motorcycle ... Here in Malaysia there are semi manual motorcycle like lc135 and many more where it doesn't have a clutch but still needs to change gears manually unlike a scooter where its fully automatic
A lot of people think the main point in clutchless downshifting is matching the revs. Blipping the throttle serves the same purpose as releasing throttle on a clutchless upshift. Instead of the transmission being unloaded on the transition from acceleration to deceleration, it’s unloaded on the transition from deceleration to acceleration. The rev matching is just a byproduct. You can clutchless downshift and completely under or over blip, but as long as you complete the shift during the transition from no throttle to throttle blip, it will still slip into the lower gear like butter. You may have some wheel hop just like if you under blip a regular downshift, but the gear change will still be smooth and leave the transmission unharmed because it’s completed during an unloaded state just like a clutchless upshift.
I do clutchless upshifts 2nd gear upwards all the time. I don't dare do downshifts though, even though my motorcycles gearbox is known for being really slick.
I HAD to do this the other day, was riding around at a quarry w some friends and dumped my bike and snapped off my clutch lever 😂 spent the next hour or so riding around using minimal clutch just to start/stop (we used a LOT of electrical tape to hold it in place enough for me to engage the clutch, worked surprisingly well tbh), but I would just end up putting around in 2nd or 3rd while my friends were tearing up the quarry having fun 😂.
What helped me with clutchless downshifting is to think of it less like a throttle “blip” and more like a blip where you don’t then release the throttle, you crack it quickly and maintain throttle. This allows it to downshift without being so jarring, much like you would with revmatching.
@@lamefart Not in the typical sense. When referring to rev matching, generally the clutch is used. What he is referring to does not utilize the clutch at all.
I clutch less uplift all the time but I'm not a fan of down shifting without the clutch. I have a big heavy Cbr1100xx Super Blackbird . There is a lot of pressure on the chain/clutch when you do clutch less down shifts.
It's funny how in the 9-speed A/T diesel Honda CR-V, when you slow down and it downshifts it would sort of lurch forward as it would rev-match on its own unlike the gas A/T where it would be a smoother downshift. Lol
So that's why! I tried a clutchless underbone motorcycle (first time riding a motorcycle) but the one who taught me didn't mention anything about blipping the throttle during the downshift so the knee jerk motion during downshift is very, very noticeable.
When I first started riding on my ttr125 I up shifted without pulling in the clutch, it was super smooth tho but I thought I was gonna screw up the transmission
Can you do this on all modern motorcycles? I have a 2021 Honda Rebel 500. I’m not new new but like a new intermediate rider. Got most of the basics just learning engine braking and all that
Clutchless upshifting im comfortable with b/c the engine will naturally be slowing down the mainshaft the second it is taken out of gear but for an upshift it requires a rising engine rpm to shift smoothly
@@bopolz7218 Actually nothing happened, the gears still shift flawlessly and the bike still rides normally, It's a Honda. I'm pretty sure there are some metal flakes in the oil so will have to get it replaced now
Why would it be harder on the clutch when you're not even using it.. 🤔 if anything its harder on your transmission if you screw up timing the revs to mesh the gears
