Funnily enough, Dorian and Sebastian work against each other when facing Dante as Sebastian will prevent Dante from pushing your team back into your Dorian's aura.
@Hero Wars Central - Great video again Charlie, thank you for your dedication. I would add Jorgen as a good (soft) counter to Dante: His shield + his ult delaying ability are often enough to kill Dante with magic or pure damage before he makes some real damage. And if Sebastian is with Dante, just add Helios to the mix (ideally ODH +Jorgen + Aurora) and you win 9 times out of 10! About Jorgen : Many people think he is not useful anymore because of Sebastian, but he is still a must have hero IMHO, and even against Sebastian he is still useful, especially when combined with Helios (who will kill Sebastian and the supported DPS). And actually, he is also a good soft solution against Iris too, who is every Aurora player (I am) worst nightmare (I had to fast boost my Astaroth - your favorite tank ;) - who is not too bad against her, as he is so healthy and can revive himself - for another video?).
I have been using that line up for quite a long period of time to date. The thing is that it will not always be as effective, but in specific case scenarios it will. Now, what matters to be mentioned there is that some times the team pet must be Cain and some times Axel, all depending highly on what set up is in defense. Furthermore, that set up in defense can be countered the other way around ig attacking Dante is replaced by Astaroth, and pets on patronage over Heidi and Iris changed to Cain and/or Albus/Biscuit. The pet on Dorian also matters a lot in all case scenarios so it reverses between Axel and Merlin. The attacking formation with Astaroth in place of tank is what I adore most as it can literally break so many hard defenses, except where there is Rufus. The Astaroth based attacking formation may not work well against the twins, which is why Andvari comes in play then. Now on countering Dante furthermore. Good heros to be used vs Dante are as follows-Astaroth, Andvari, Sebastian Helios, Jhu, Karkh and Nebula. Healers Martha and Dorian, whereas Martha normally supports Jhu and Karkh based line ups and Dorian supports all other. Another good set of heros that can be used efficiently vs Dante are Cleaver and Aurora, but they may require support of Celeste in some cases. In general, Dante, as much good he actually is, there are tons of possible counters for him all depending on what other heros are there with him. I think the most important thing to bear in mind is that Dante is physical damage dealer, and magic casters, In first place Helios should be considered vs him and the second place is reserved for Sebastian, but as mentioned earlier, it all depends on other team heros accompanying defending Dante. Not to mention that Arachne is very effective there too. Cheers.
Nice video I like hearing about counters. I think it's super funny how people are so divided about dante a lot of people seem to rank him low on tier lists and say he's not worth investing in. I decided to try him out since I've only been playing a couple of weeks and he's like one of my strongest heroes. I can't imagine how he'd be on the browser version if he's stronger than mobile another hero that seems really good is artemis she seems to even be able to out dps dante sometimes.
This works mostly vs low level teams. On my server the *starting* Dante is 190k power and boosted by a team of 180k+ other heroes. Basically this setup, even if you use Andvari to reduce pushback, *SHALL* 2 shot Heidi and 2-3 shot Iris while the healer is still at 25% of her energy buildup.
Fascinating. I normally use the heroes with armour as first artefact and then a damage dealer. So normally Astaroth, Andvari, Helios and Martha with someone like Orion as the damage dealer. Although I love using Yasmine but has a mixed end point of course with all them dodges.
in max testing, an effective and hilarious way to counter Dante tank is Chabba, Aurora, Markus, Celeste plus another hero to counter the others in the team. Not sure I would level up Chabba just for that though, but it's fun to use in brawls
Chabba is my main tank in one of accounts, and my Chabba & Dante team doesn't experience problems when facing Dante-tanking teams. It is because Dante's violet skill "Shackles of Weaknesses" is very counterproductive against Chabba's blue skill, "Fat's layer". Besides, Chabba & Aurora double tank teams can be very annoying in defense.
the only problem with Dorian is that he is already so far back, it kind of messes with the fact you can best use a DPS who is in 5th position (and so does not get hit by Dante). especially if you don't use Dante tank against Dante, your DPS can get one shot before Dorian can even start to heal him/her. oh and you didn't put Morrigan as a counter option, the skeletons can confuse Dante and she is a counter to Rufus too so the many Rufus-Dante teams are in trouble against her.
Dante was puzzling me for a while and indeed the Heidi - Iris combo wins all the Dante teams except if the other team has Rufus. If Rufus is in the opponent's team then I use Morrigan
When Dante is a tank, you should count Jorgen as well - seems effective even when there's Seb with Dante. Also Helios, as was mentioned before, due to Dante's crit hits. And even stronger one to counter him is Amira as she makes his crit hits to miss. But she doesn't seem to be very popular as is quite limited in her usefulness.
Hi Charlie! Thanks for your HWC videos. I am on your server with Squerlyone as he and I are in the same guild. He's kind of been my mentor over the past three years... Anyway, I have not leveled up Dante, Iris or Heidi. My top 9 are all Red +2. Keira, Helios, Yasmine, Astaroth, Martha, Isaac, Orion, Andvari and Sebastian (Jhu is my 10th at orange +3). My Sebass is not fully developed in skins, or ascension, but artifacts (until now) have been developed. I can make to second place in the Arena, but can't get past Raven. If I ask Squerly he'd let me have it. I've been working on Sebastian, Aurora and Nebula. My Dorian is only 76K and only use him with Helios and Orion. From watching your videos, it seems I work on the wrong heroes. I've got so much invested in my top 15 (for the GA) that it's hard to build up others. Any advice? I am MeanGene on Server 25 in Divine Awakening.
I haven't noticed Dante in particular. My undead team uses Corvus as well as Phobos and Perry, so I've got Pure and Magic damage that can negate the Dodge bonus. Usually as long as the enemy team isn't too much stronger, he is no threat
I think not the best example, Dante´s similar strength, Seb counters Joergen and the enimies Isaac is useless bc no magic attacks - so 5 effective heros wins vs 3, no surprise
The top 20 on my server all have steroidal Dantes. A strong Dante is a good strategy to get through the first 100 levels. I'm having a lot of fun annihilating those Dantes with combinations of Morrigan, Maya, Iris, Celeste, Sebastian, Aurora, Arachne, Krista, Lars, Satori, and Dorian. The usual response is to beef up Dante. Silly to play the "My Dante can beat your Dante" game. Choosing the right hero combinations to unleash synergy seems to be more important than maxing out specific heroes.
Sorry I am not an English speaker, so I don't get how your Dante load so fast the energy to shoot.. It is required to have those heroes? I use Marta, Quin Mao but with me he is so slow loading the energy, is because my heroes? I have Jorgen too and Astaroth.. Ty
Dante has to get nerfed. if Reeves had Dante in front with Cane as team pet it would been much different fight, it was not a good team for defence. but Thank you. by the way aurora Heidi could be a good counter to Dante tank.
I keep hoping to see a Phobos use in one of our guild fights, but he's a low-priority INT hero to most so I just don't see it that often. The problem is with the right pet, Sebastian has higher physical attack.
I did some testing with Dorian and He was not much help since Dante push him back as well. I wish I could see the healing stat in the fight you listed but it is down already.
