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How to Create a Truly Insulated Slab 

Jake Bruton
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Unless you have felt an uninsulated slab in the winter you probably don't understand the lack of comfort that cold feet actually offers. However, in this week's video Jake walks you through the simplest way to uncouple that concrete slab from the ground (temperature) below.

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@hunts318
@hunts318 9 месяцев назад
Very well spoken and presented.
@uberdash007
@uberdash007 8 месяцев назад
Great explanation
@larion3296
@larion3296 5 месяцев назад
Here in Northern Europe we make many slabs with even more insulation. First 12 inches of Macadam under the whole slab, that is compressed well. This will drain and be the capillary break layer. The macadam is carefully adjusted with laser level. Then you lay out the border/edge beams for the slab. These are made by aproximately 4 inches of eps insulation and only a thin glassfiber board on the outside. The beam is 16 inches high. On the inside of the beam 12 inches of eps insulation then fills out the whole slab except next to the edge. Most of the slab will then be 4 inches of concrete on top of 12 inches eps insulation. But next to the edge there will be 12 inches thick (and 12 inches wide) concrete beams. With 2-4 inches of eps insulation on the outside.
@fishmonger6879
@fishmonger6879 5 месяцев назад
Could you send me more information on your method? Or tell me where I can obtain it.
@fishmonger6879
@fishmonger6879 5 месяцев назад
The reason I ask is because the definition of Macadam in the USA in “ broken stone of even size used in successively compacted layers for surfacing roads and paths, and typically bound with tar or bitumen” so I want to understand your details.
@patty109109
@patty109109 5 месяцев назад
What prevents frosty from taking the edges? A frost protected shallow foundation, insulates the entirety of the slab so the frost doesn’t get under the edges.
@steelyspielbergo
@steelyspielbergo 6 месяцев назад
I learned about insulated raft slabs after becoming interested in building science. Yet I don't see them being used very often by anyone, including the "building science types".
@dlg5485
@dlg5485 2 месяца назад
Any builder that isn't using such a basic insulation technique is not a building science based builder, that's obvious. I don't care what they call themselves.
@Kakalacki
@Kakalacki 6 месяцев назад
I am surprised that it is not a code requirement in Missouri for there to be insulation in a slab foundation. In PA we are required to have either 2 or 4 ft of continuous insulation from the top of the slab, depending on the climate zone you are in. The insulation can be either verticle or horizontal or a combination of both.
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 6 месяцев назад
This meets code because it is fully continuous.
@rangerdoc1029
@rangerdoc1029 20 дней назад
If you're adding a thermal break, then it's no longer a monolithic slab, but rather a perimeter foundation & inner floating slab? Edit: Nevermind. I watched again & see where you poured traditional stemwall below frost depth.
@doug5110
@doug5110 6 месяцев назад
Great idea, I've always wondered what slab on grade didn't have this. What's the additional cost of adding the foam as a thermal break?
@ioda006
@ioda006 8 месяцев назад
Makes a lot of sense. I don't understand why this isn't standard, especially for northern climates.
@4evermetalhead79
@4evermetalhead79 6 месяцев назад
Cost. Always the number 1 factor. Plus, there’s no one with high incentive to make this the standard. Unless some deep pocket give some to make this the standard. As always. But either way i feel that this is not for everyone as it drives the cost up quite a bit.
@rbruce5270
@rbruce5270 6 месяцев назад
its pretty similar to standard in UK but we use better insulation
@davidniquot6423
@davidniquot6423 5 месяцев назад
This is not even good as a standard... look what we do in Europe... it's far better.
@frankrizzo7307
@frankrizzo7307 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for the video. I think this is a great idea to do to all homes. I wish you took it one step further and installed radiant heat into that slab before it was poured. It would have been more efficient than any other type of heat you can put in that home. Even still, what you did is 100% better than what is usually done.
@minedustry
@minedustry 6 месяцев назад
I plan on leaving the foundation one piece but using radiant floor heating.
@Minerune121212
@Minerune121212 8 месяцев назад
ty
@davidniquot6423
@davidniquot6423 5 месяцев назад
We got more advanced syustem here in europe ... the whole slab is inside a foam jacket... wall included. Only a small part of the heat is exiting from the slab ... more exit from walls and even more from the roof. There is a need for continuous insulation around the house.
@joegaines8826
@joegaines8826 5 месяцев назад
Isn't the standard the Frost Protected Shallow Foundation (FPSF) where the insulation goes on the outside of the foundation along with a horizontal insulation extending out X inches depending on your Air Freezing Index? Just a thought.
@badawesome
@badawesome 6 месяцев назад
How does this differ from frost protected shallow foundations? I would like to have one of those on my next house.
@davidadamson3664
@davidadamson3664 6 месяцев назад
Your insulation design is a good idea but it only provides thermal separation from the outside concrete. If you had hydronic tubes to also heat the slab and your thermostat was set on 76, the slab would be 78 or higher. The example you used of granite counter tops was a good analogy. Imagine the comfort of heated floors.
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 5 месяцев назад
Agreed. The challenge in climate zone 4 is that many days we heat overnight and then need some cooling in the afternoon. A heated slab changes very slowly and we need heating and cooling that are more responsive. Slab heat is very comfortable though. Sometimes it works well.
@3charliewright
@3charliewright 5 месяцев назад
How do you finish the 1 1/2 rigid foam insulation on the stem wall/curb? I plan to pour slab on grade with hydronic heat and will have R14 under the slab spray foam or rigid. I will also have rigid foam on the stem wall interior and exterior. Do you bevel 45 degrees the rigid foam on the interior? I plan to use 2 inches on the exterior too and I’m wondering a good detail on how to finish? Thank you, Charlie
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 5 месяцев назад
We dont bevel our insulation because that little section of slab is kind of compromised. We just size it to work with the wall size. Our wall is a Zip R-6 with a 2x6 and 1/2” drywall this allows for a fairly thick wall that works well this concrete assembly.
@Chris-pj1os
@Chris-pj1os 4 месяца назад
That blue foam against your pre-poured exterior "stem wall" will also serve as an expansion joint I would think as well? Am I to understand that this slab has no radiant heat pipes installed inside it as well?
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 4 месяца назад
No radiant system. I would bet the engineering would not allow us to call the foam an expansion joint because it has a decent PSI rating.
@KAMMEDIALLC
@KAMMEDIALLC 7 месяцев назад
Is there any risk of upheaval or subsidence with the interior slab being uncoupled from the perimeter footing?
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 6 месяцев назад
... also is the concrete not too heavy or the foam board underneath? It won't compress it at all?
@paulcanel3364
@paulcanel3364 2 месяца назад
So your stud wall (2x6 5.5” wide) sits partially on top of the 4” curb wall and partially on top of a piece of insulation board correct?
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building Месяц назад
Yes. Think of is as a 2x4 wall is rated to hold the exterior of the building up and we are using the 2x4 part of the 2x6 assembly. Does that make sense? We end up with about 1” of the 2x6 floating over the foam assembly.
@franklinmade396
@franklinmade396 5 месяцев назад
Hi Jake, How do you handle the slab insulation at the door openings?
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 5 месяцев назад
The wall is thick enough that it covers and we order a jamb thick enough to work with the wall.
@franklinmade396
@franklinmade396 5 месяцев назад
@@jake.bruton.aarow.building ok great. Maybe it’s just not visible in the video at the door opening. The concrete may have just discolored the edge of the foam if it continues across that door opening.
@FulvioRivano
@FulvioRivano 4 месяца назад
they're using XPS for insulation. However, is it possible to use EPS of some density?
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 4 месяца назад
Absolutely. Most times now we use type 9 EPS or GPS.
@SelenaRudolph-o8k
@SelenaRudolph-o8k Месяц назад
Jake, I just watched your video and had a few questions. I’m a homeowner in Ohio, adding a covered screened in patio to my home. The base will be concrete 14x18. The contractor wants to do 1” blue Dow insulation foam board in the concrete pad. 3-4” gravel base and 4” concrete. I’ve never heard of using the blue Dow. Is this a common acceptable practice that I should not be concerned about? Please help.
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 29 дней назад
If the space is just a patio, and it isnt going to be conditioned I wouldn’t spend any money on insulation. What are you insulating against? If the space is to be conditioned I would make the arguement that the insulation the contractor is putting forward (which I believe is XPS) is only R-5 and doesnt meet code in your market. Therefore the matter should be addressed from the code perspective of what does the IRC 2021 say is required.
@SelenaRudolph-o8k
@SelenaRudolph-o8k 29 дней назад
⁠I’m not sure what you mean by conditioned? He’s saying the 1” blue Dow rigid foam board insulation helps with the movement from ground heave freezing and thawing etc.
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 28 дней назад
What I mean is if the room will be inside or outside? Conditioned like heated and cooled. If the space is not going to be conditioned and always outside, Ive never heard that arguement of using insulation to limit movement before. I can’t say I would understand how that layer would make any sense, that would be a question for an engineer I guess, I would hate to simply say your contractor is incorrect without having all of the information at hand.
@deandalley3607
@deandalley3607 6 месяцев назад
The parameter of the slab must have insulation. There needs to be a 4 ft slope from the slab with ridged foam for frost!
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 6 месяцев назад
I’m not sure what section of the code you are finding this in. Can you provide the code?
@NDcompetitiveshooter
@NDcompetitiveshooter 22 дня назад
His footers are presumably below the frost line. You are probably thinking of a frost-protected shallow foundation.
@coryshook7648
@coryshook7648 9 месяцев назад
#1: so that foam is not under the entire slab? #2: How do I know if I can just trench and not build forms? Is it just a judgment call?
@Bart-dg6qv
@Bart-dg6qv 7 месяцев назад
Has to be under entire slab. That's the whole thing. What we see here is basic minimum anyway. This would not be allowed in Europe as insufficient though.
@minedustry
@minedustry 6 месяцев назад
Take a piece of rebar, push into the ground. How deep it can go easily or at all will give you a quick estimate of how well the soil compaction is. Not all land is good to build on.
@smellypunks
@smellypunks 7 месяцев назад
Modern building need to be built without any thermal bridges. Slab edge detail like helps to reduce thermal bridging and should be standard. In fact not only should be standard but the foam thickness should be increased to achieve higher u-values suitable for the climate. This is standard when building towards Passivhaus standards.
@sethtucker3326
@sethtucker3326 5 месяцев назад
Heated floor
@philleach6271
@philleach6271 7 месяцев назад
What holds the slab to the foundation? Couldn’t they separate?
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 7 месяцев назад
Gravity holds the two together.
@Jay-dr9co
@Jay-dr9co 8 месяцев назад
Thermal Nosebleed
@tompaj1620
@tompaj1620 8 месяцев назад
do it out of icf...
@masuhari
@masuhari 2 месяца назад
Jake, I think you're mixing up emissivity with thermal conductivity in the context you're using. Different surfaces feel like different temperatures to human skin (which is basically a calorimeter) because the thermal conductivity of different materials.
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 2 месяца назад
I will have to look into that. Thank you for saying something.
@thegrantdanielsband
@thegrantdanielsband 24 дня назад
Ummmm how is the slab connected to the exterior concrete wall?? if it is not well I will not get into the problems that will happen LOL 🙂
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 21 день назад
It isnt connected. I would love to hear how you disagree with our engineer though.
@thegrantdanielsband
@thegrantdanielsband 21 день назад
@@jake.bruton.aarow.building Engineers are just that engineers!! They design something and never go back years later to see that the crap designed on paper does not work?? Who are you going to call? LOL You would think there would be a ledge for the slab to sit on or at least j hooks from the stem wall to the slab? Something to mesh the two together? If you do not any settlement that happens with these two separations will be disastrous!! Drywall cracking/windows breaking the list is long. You will learn that in time about engineers 🙂
@rangerdoc1029
@rangerdoc1029 20 дней назад
@@jake.bruton.aarow.building i think the confusion comes from the fact that you are now using a 4" footing and it isn't below frost depth. You get away with this on a monolithic slab as the entire structure is one piece. But this just appears to be a shallow stemwall.
@dominicwood3750
@dominicwood3750 6 месяцев назад
If you are adding foam why not 6 or 10 inches
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
@jake.bruton.aarow.building 6 месяцев назад
You absolutley could. For climate zone 4a this is suffcient.
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 6 месяцев назад
Cost vs benefit trade off. 2in foam is usually more than $1/sqft and if you double the thickness you double the price. In addition, you need to allow room for that foam so more excavation or higher and thicker stem walls which both add cost. Everything affects everything else
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