How To Create Fallout Shelter's Strongest Dwellers: Vault Log #10 

Thanks! I try to present information as efficiently as possible. :)

Exactly

granitesilverwing that's why I watch this channel short vids but gets to the point fast

granitesilverwing lol

Exactly. No, "ah, ok guys, ah.. so, now We are going off on a 10 minute tangent on something completely unrelated to the videos title... please like and subscribe, ah... so I can afford adderall."

LoL indeed

how did you train your dweller?

@@cav6969 there are multiple different training rooms that you can build after you get some amount of dwellers, for instance, the gym trains strength, the classroom trains intelligence, and the game room trains luck

all my 200 dwellers special stats are max :p

@SNACK BOX ONE i got no life :/

Thanks so much for the kind words! It's really rewarding to have someone recognize the work that goes into these. :)

The game still cool

Me too bro

​@@hudbudmudsudSame here

Same

So we all still watching in 2024

Same

Yup, it's a vital gameplay mechanic that's hidden. Some bad planning on their part. :/

Frankly, you can't max out the health of your first 34-35 dwellers, because you don't get the endurance fitness room until you hit pop: 35... By the time I had 35 people, most of my dwellers were at least Level 20.

honestly... I found this piece of info today and it matters nothing to me and my 168 dwellers.... after a while, a room full of Lvl 50's with great guns can mow down a Deathclaw attack (of course checking the health bars) ...why would I need them to be the best of the best of the best, sir?

@@Manuel012387 because you said you have to watch their health. When I have a few with max health, I don’t have to check them. Now imagine a few teams of maxed out guys going on your quests. Doesn’t matter how hard of a quest anymore

I think it's Bethesda's planning. They let people do tricks in their games to make it go faster, instead of taking all of someone's real life. I think it is so we can save our valuable time, so we can move on.

+Chris Testerman Glad I could help! I try to present the information as efficiently as I can; thanks for noticing. :)

I dont mean mutant, Deathclaws are acutely built by U.S.A to help defend against china.

@@jupiter4207 They're biologically engineered mutants built off the genome of the Chameleon. Of course how any claws at all, being simple keratin, can beat a reinforced door is beyond me. Unless Vault-tec specifically weakened the vault to be more susceptible to intrusion. Not impossible, given that virtually all vaults (barring a few exceptions) were simply for experimentation of some kind, typically on human nature in confined spaces, under various circumstances.

Yup. To get the full benefits of endurance leveling you'll want to raise the dweller from 1-50.

I thought I read a subreddit that said the rare and legendary dwellers arrive with max HP for their level...is this not the case?

Here's a related quote from Reddit user (the_rabidsquirel): "In other words any rare and legendary dwellers you get from lunchboxes will have earned health from their levels with almost certainly less than ideal endurance, making them worse in the long run compared to the super dwellers you can make." Link: www.reddit.com/r/foshelter/comments/4c4m46/everything_health/

Only if they come level 40 or higher and dwellers with natural states produce more rares at least until maxed out. Keep them in a breeding room after maxing them out and give the woman special child animals and they seem to be most effective when the child is born. I have noticed no special effect when given to the men or switching them between woman before birth.

Yeah, it sucks. I have for a long time wanted them to create a room that resets your level to 1 and your HP to 105.

Thanks for the kind words. I had a good bit of fun putting this series together. FS was great for informational content. :)

Glad to hear that you found it helpful! Thanks for the kind comment. :)

They recked my base so im also ready

Ouch, I was in the same boat when I learned of this game mechanic. Pity it isn't explained better in-game.

You can do that, I personally just label all my dwellers with special suffixes so I know which are the ones to ditch once I can afford to do so. All the initial dwellers that come in before I can train them I call G1, for generation 1. They are the sacrificial lambs! Once I can train E but before I have the +7E suit I label them G2. They will hold the vault up until I can get the 644hp G3 super dwellers. So what to do with all this weaker G1 and G2 dwellers? What else, play RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!! RFYL is a game in the game I created as a fun and even beneficial way to get rid of dwellers. It works like this. You send them to the wasteland to literally run for their life and collect loot for you while they do it. You give them 25 stims, 5 radaways, and if possible a suit that will give them at least a total endurance of 11 (to be immune to rad damage during exploration). If they return to the vault, collect them, heal them, then send them back out, only this time with 5 less stims. I also tag them with the name RFYL and whatever round they are in, so RFYL1 for the 1st trip, RFYL2 for the second. G1s are lucky to survive round 2. G2's consistently get to round 3 but not usually 4, but I have had a few that had the most HP E15 can get them make it to round 4. It is important to equip them with a pet, as when they die the pet will return to the vault with all the loot. It doesn't matter what pet, they will all return this way, but to keep things in line I have certain pets I won't use as it's kind of cheating. No pets that increase survival or will fill inventory faster. So no HP or damage reduction pets, no pets that increase junk found in the waste (as it will essentially fill your inventory and return your dweller to the vault). Damage increase pets are ok, they really only help if they find a mini-quest (which any stims or radaways found are fair game no matter the round), as are the pets that increase caps found. Maybe I'm sadistic for this LOL, but seriously you need people in the waste all the time, why not use the dwellers you are trying to get rid of? Its kind of fun to see how long they will make it!

Thanks for the info! I don't have much experience with survival mode, but I can imagine how the importance of hp is even more relevant there.

Sorry, I must disagree. Maybe it's the platform. I play FOS on an Android. I have 3 questing teams all E17 levelled 1-50. I only have a couple of damage resistance pets and the +hp% pets I gave to levellers (are you sure those pets don't have any effect while levelling? or are you just guessing/assuming?). Anyway, discounting the couple of damage resist pets I have, none of my dwellers can be one shot for any boss, including Alpha Deathclaw or Glowing Radscorpions. Sure, they can lose more than 50% of the HP, but nowhere near 100%. But then, if you're fighting a boss DC or RS, you should be making sure your tank character has at least 75% HP at all times and you should have plenty of Stimpacks. I don't even send my teams out with 25 stims anymore. 18 is usually plenty (6 each) because I rarely use more than 2 per quest member. Lastly, when fighting those bosses...you should have all your questors attacking it and hopefully you also saved at least 1, if not 2, crit attacks. Those attacks are wasted on anything but boss mobs or rooms with 3 regular DC or RS mobs. (edit - don't want to delete this, but I must admit that I made a mistake...i didn't see you say "SURVIVAL MODE". That must make the difference. My apologies for the misunderstanding. My info does stand for regular mode games, though)

no need to apologize you are totally right on normal mode and it was verry similar on survival mode few weeks back, i did 50 lvl quests almost not using stimpacks at all, but now seems they buffed them up, its like theres a difficulty lvl for 50 lvl quests, most are easy but some are damn hard, lost 2 dwellers that way. could be they scale with your overall vault dweller lvl, cant say for sure since sadly the game itsellf gives so little information :S

Kristijan....karma smacked me hard. I logged into FOS after posting that and went through a quest (I think it was just a simple daily..weapons run, I think). First room had a single glowing radscorp...took down a dweller who had at least 85-90% health. I have no idea what happened. AND, ever single room in that daily was much, much, much harder than normal. Frequently they had single deathclaws and it took forever to take one down. A simple, non-alpha, deathclaw took 2 perfect crits and didn't die. I don't know if they suddenly raised the difficulty or if I'm losing my mind. :)

This is late, but I only saw this today. I think they scale with your overall vault dweller level. Level 50 missions have gotten a lot tougher now that my average vault dweller level is closer to 50. Admittedly, it does not help that not all my crew have the optimal health by endurance levelling. I would not be surprised if some of them are closer to the minimum amount of health. I think I will start making new dwellers from scratch. That being said, I normally send out the same mob for missions and the level 50 missions do seem to be tougher.

It only works with with the Endurance--HP calculations. The other stats aren't variable.

same. i have 47 dwellers atm so im still at the beginning. Dont have the +7 wasteland suit tho. Just some +3 Endurance. Gotta start somewhere.

Me too. I use them as guards at and behind the vault door, as questing teams, and wasteland units to scour the place for valuables and the odd clue.

Right on! Such a crucial gameplay element shouldn't be hidden from players. Thanks for the kind words. :)

+Bard Loves Chimes Thanks! It's great to hear that you're enjoying the series. :)

Thanks! Glad to hear that you learned some useful info. :)

Aw, well at least you can start working on your ultimate team now ;)

Indeed, I thought I was almost finished with the game, but now I can slowly replace all dwellers that are above lvl1 or weren't lvl 1 when exiting the training rooms. So far i made 2 super dwellers accidently (without wasteland gear unfortunatly) and 2 lvl 1's almost finished with training their stats to max.

At Level 50 Endurance is still useful to take more damage. Endurance boosting outfits the same, they can endure more and ideal for wasteland exploration over quests. But for quests, they are not a bad option for quests with less than level 50 requirement. Endurance should be used mostly for leveling though, 644 HP makes a large difference over who should and shouldn't be part of quest teams.

Also, an E10 dweller with either E5 or E7 gear will no longer need rad-away while exploring the wasteland, as they will no longer take radiation damage. The only time they will take rads are from quests/missions, from the overseers office, where they get attacked by a rad creature.

Vegita Games Glad to hear the videos are helpful. Thanks for watching. :)

Thanks for watching the series and leaving the kind comment. I've got another episode on training tips coming up soon. :)

I hate that dlc

Also, how long does it take for them to level up per stats?

Sure, it doesn't matter where the leveling up takes place. :)

@@Pressingx really appreciate it. because of this vlog, I had to make the necessary adjustments to fortified my vault. thanks

Yeah! But then you're game is broken! And if you're trying to get in without changing the date your game will glicth af

yes, it's possible

+joshy p Thanks! Check out some of the other episodes if you have the time. :)

The Engineer Guy Thanks! The dwellers other stats won't interfere with endurance leveling; they can be as high or low as you want. :)

Pressing X Thanks! Keep the good work up!

Thanks, more vids on the way! :)

Mine has crashed a few times. Maybe once every month or so.

Mine did

Rarely

Mine has stopped giving lunchboxes

Patrick Cranley it also crashes in console too

Pretty sure you level up faster in the wasteland, so it just speeds up the process

GrassHopper I haven't heard anything about changes to the endurance system yet.

The Expert Jumpsuits were worn for consistency between the previous scene; just a cosmetic choice. I'm not sure about SPECIAL stats and in-vault combat. If you have links to any testing data I would love to check it out. Definitely worth looking into! :)

Good idea. I've already covered some applications of SPECIAL stats in previous episodes, but there are a few scenarios that still need to be covered. :)

as long as they have a low level youre good to go

If any resource is lacking, that may be the cause. Food is likely the problem, but radiation by lack of water can also cause this. Don't forget to not let any stat get too low while developing. Make sure power is dealt with first, but don't pour ever cap and man into it, or nothing good will come. Make sure your demand falls below supply, by half or lower if you can.

The hp won't increase unless your endurance is leveled from the start. The other special stats don't have an impact on the leveling hp. It's an unforgiving system. :/

Well, you can get 35 people without actually leveling them up. Just don't click the arrows above their heads to level them. It's easier said than done, of course, and requires that you look at each dweller in the close-up mode so you can move them, equip them, etc, and even then you might accidentally hit the Lvl Up, but if you are actively trying not to, you might be able to keep everyone at about Lvl 3. And as long as they are not highly leveled, there won't be higher level incidents like Deathclaws plaguing them, as I understand it.

For maximum HP they have to be E10 with a +7E suit (heavy wasteland gear) from level 1 all the way to 50. If they have gained even 1 level outside of that they will not have the max 644hp (this is why the dwellers you get from quest/lunchboxes and whatever else will never be as tough as one that did the HP grind from lvl 1, because they already have a certain amount of levels they have gained). The other stats don't really matter if they are maxed out for the HP, the endurance is all it cares about (btw, pets do not matter either, they only increase HP while equipped). But if you intend to max all the stats out before the level grind, be sure not allow any of them to level up even once unless they are E10 with a +7E suit on. Which shouldn't be an issue, even if the training rooms get hit with random encounters the XP is so small they will not likely gain a level without some really bad luck. Tip, never upgrade your training rooms (some people never upgrade any rooms). The time they reduce from training is so minimal, but the encounters will be more difficult. Odds are good that you will not be around to tap up their stat gains so the time "gained" is pretty much a wash; it's just not worth it in the end. So to recap, you can train all the stats if you want, but always get that E to 10 with a +7E suit before letting them level even once. I tend to train all the stats up first then send them to the wasteland to level up to 50, since they will level themselves up in the wasteland without me needing to babysit them. It's way faster than in the vault.

@@kevindiaz3459 thx for the clarification. Much appreciated m8

Yup, no need to focus on the other stats for hp gains. Those can be worked on after fully hp leveling. :)

Merlin I just send them out to the wasteland with an xp pet equipped. They level up pretty quickly.

Ay, thank you for response! By making thoose videos you sure might have a hell of an organised vault. Just a question: Would you recommend replacing all of my power plants, diner and water treatment with nuclear reactor, garden and water purfication?

+Merlin I would recommend replacing the power plants with nuclear ones. You can actually just use Nuka Cola plants instead of gardens and water purification rooms. Either way you'll have an efficient vault. :)

Thanks for help! Just one last question I want to be cleared out: Shall I use strenght or endurance dwellers in the vault door? I'm not sure if strenght stack with weapon damage. Hope you can clear things up.

Merlin Either will do a decent job. Strength and Endurance don't impact damage output in the vault. Endurance leveled dwellers will have a better chance of surviving breaches though.

You should level up their Endurance level(1-10) before you start to level their overall xp level(1-50). Each dweller has S.P.E.C.I.A.L stats (Strength,Perception,Endurance,Charisma,Intelligence,Agility,Luck). Focus on leveling up the endurance first so you can get the extra hp gains when you start to xp level them. Hope that helps. :)

You're damn right

Ur good just keep those little guys in the endurance room till ten

This rule only applies on endurance training. You can train other stats normally.

You're welcome. Thanks for watching it! :)

It's almost like the devs wanted the feature to be discovered by fans of the game. It seems like they've taken that approach with a few of the other gameplay mechanics as well. They'll give you a surface explanation, but they leave the more in-depth information hidden. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nope, Endurance is the only special stat that directly ties into the hp gains from xp leveling. :)

Glad to hear that. Thanks! :)

Thanks, will do. :)

Some do. For instance, a dweller with high charisma can make friends easier during wasteland exploration and this gives a bit of exp. You can just max endurance and send them out, but I would recommend getting other stats to a decent level firsthand.

I need to do a little more testing and research before releasing an episode on that topic. Thanks for the suggestion! :)

The pet doesn't add to the permanent total. Only while it's equiped. And at 644hp after doing the full grind from lvl1 to 50 at 17E is enough to survive pretty much everything in the game without issue.

Same