How to Diagnose DEATH WOBBLE 

Best explanation I've heard on youtube ever, or anywhere for that matter.

Im a safety inspection officer and this video just explained basically the whole suspension portion of a safety inspection lol no wonder your method works

Great video and explanation of the causes of death wobble. I’ve used these same techniques myself, and had great success. One small suggestion I would make, has to do with the tools involved in diagnosing the ball joint wear. Rather than a prybar and fulcrum, such as your chunk of wood, I use a long-handled shovel under the tire (although you could also use a short-handled shovel to get the job done). The angle between the handle and the shovel creates its own natural fulcrum and does a great job. Most offroaders have a shovel of some sort, although they might not have a long prybar. Plus, fewer tools means simpler prep and cleanup.

My brother used to work at Jeep as a service advisor. He said anytime they had someone come in saying they had death wobble, they would just throw a new steering stabilizer on and send them on their way. When I started to experience it, that’s what he told me I should do, and I almost did. Glad I watched this video before doing that. Had to replace my wheel bearing and track bar. Now I guess I should tell my brother how wrong he was.

Okay, This is by far and away the best damned video on death wobble that I have ever seen, and I am so happy to have found it. I have both a 97TJ and an 04 Grand Cherokee. The Cherokee recently began to display the “Death Wobble” about 3 days after I bought it. My wrangler stopped having death wobble after swapping out the wheel bearings, and after 372K it needed them. Truth be told the 12 point bolts are actually a T13mm socket and it is best to use that particular socket after I found out the bolts strip faster than a drunken prom date. Having been a jeep guy for 22 years, most jeep videos treat death wobble as if it were some kind of occult secret that only the initiated could ever understand. While I have not experienced REAL death wobble, like other folks, I can tell you that when it happens to you the first time it is one of those things you do not forget. Again, many thanks for posting this video.

Everyone who owns a jeep for the first time should know this , I almost had a heart attack due to a death wobble while driving my TJ 60 mph 🖐

Another Big thing that plays a roll in Death wobble is Caster. If all your components are tight and you're still getting it have the caster set higher on an alignment rack. Learn how caster works and you will understand.

By far the best explanation of death wobble that I've ever heard!!!

Great tutorial. I bought a 2001 when Laredo ended up doing all the fixes you suggested. I didn’t know which one was the actual culprit but a Jeep with 220,000 miles deserves all the love you can give.

This was a great video. Love that ball joint test. I’ve done track bar, all tie rod ends, one hub, all control arms and still death wobble. All parts were worn out but still haven’t found the last culprit. Can’t wait to do that ball joint test. Thanks so much!!!

Thank you for this video! My death wobble started when i got wide rims. Its so bad i cant drive it. This was a very detailed video!

I get death 💀 wobble, 1999 gmc suburban k1500, practically rebuilt my front end, kryptonite parts and still, death wobble. Ordered a steering stabilizer, I don't know if it will help at all....I'm running out of ideas..

my take with your approach... appropriate examination... "R" (all raised suspension) "opened eye opener"

Really good presentation and explanation. I’ve got the 50mph wobble even with balanced tires. Gonna ccheck ball joints now.

Thank You, Never had this issue before. When it happened, it was a terrifying experience. Thank you again for taking the time for people like myself to help ensure diagnosing issues....

When my death wobble experience happened my stabilizer snapped on the highway i felt a little play before but didnt think nothing of it till that happened and I pay more attention to these things cause that was my first experience with the death wobble lol and it wasn't fun doing 70 75 on the highway and coming to a slow stop lol

Great video, expensive to have repaired, but very in depth explanations of the reasons why death wobble occurs.

2 other items you forgot : shot swaybar links and shocks. so many times I do see shocks been so shot and people don't address them causing massive play to the front axle that the complete axel has a movement from side to side of up to 1" which ofcourse destroys first the swaybar links and than it's racking system. Also on the trackbar chassis mount can become loose as a result which should be checked too.

Hey, thanks for the video. I've already checked some of that stuff. I'll have to check some of the other things. Thanks. :) Came here from your steering stabalisor video.

My 1992 f150 had a death wobble at 50mph then 40mph and it's been parked since it was at 35mph. Anyone know what I should check first? I'm a diy mechanic but don't really know that much on this subject

I used your video to diagnose the “death wobble” in my 1931 Model A Ford. Using the 9/3 12/6 tire trick, I quickly found a lose tire rod end. It was an easy fix to tighten it up (the Model A has a unique tie rod end where there is a cap the screws out - it was almost completely out). Great video that will work for many make and model cars. Great work.

Now I’m terrified. Just bought a 96 XJ and the sway bar was missing. Bought a 13 piece front end set and figured I would change the wheel hubs and new stabilizer shock. Anyway I put in the upper and lower ball joints ( nightmare) and new wheel hub on the drivers side and still have a popping noise on the drivers side 😞😟. Experienced death wobble one time in the time I owned it before the repairs and still haven’t finished up with the rest of the parts. I decided to take the Jeep to a friend of mine who has a complete shop and have him finish everything up but that’s a 2 Hour drive at highway speeds and now I’m terrified lol.

I have had death wobble in many wj's. This is guy is right on the money on all counts.

😢 front end components are sooooo expensive! Granted I’m looking at Moog because they have grease zercs. Still wish I could have put that money into something different…

A Solid training video...thanks bro for a very insightful video on what to check and how...

Oh sorry. Yes... the stealership! I just got group bullied by two women who think I’m a dumbass ... shit never stops it seems

Great in depth explanation and break down! One more thing that people overlook, the break calipers can and will cause death wobble as well. 1. Piston sticking and/or seizing due to lack of fluid flow, torn boot where debris and moisture corrode the Piston to the point it fails causing the pad not to move in and out. Dual pistons calipers can have a partial failure causing the pad to tip resulting in rub and uneven pressure. If a piston is sticking or seized rebuild the piston or replace the caliper entirely. Do not try to free it cause it is damaged and the corrosion will create more damage as it moves in and out. Lubing it may free it up but it failed for a reason. It's a sealed unit and cannot be exposed to the elements so if this happens repair immediately. 2. Break pad guide/clips are dirty corroded or damaged not allowing the pad to move in and out freely. Cheap easy fix. Usually caused by reusing the old guides. 3. Caliper guide pins old dirty, corroded or simply not lubed up. The guide pin boot is either damaged allowing dirt and debris to get In drying the lube out causing it to stick or fail which prevents the caliper from moving in and out, or it is old and worn and it no longer returns back to rest position. 3. Lastly and least likely but does happen...The break pedal push rod that goes through the booster into the master cylinder is at improper length not allowing fluid to flow back into the master from the caliper causing the caliper piston to hang up or freeze due to lack of fluid. All of these things puts uneven pressure on the rotor causing the wheel to track out of round creating a wobble/shimmy. Check rotors for excessive heat. With that being present as well as noise and pulling to one side are indicators of break problems caused by friction due to worn out, damaged or improperly installed/replaced components. All of which need to be addressed immediately! Overall excellent in depth quick description that conveys to all vehicles straight axle or independent 👍

Lifted my jeep and it was fine. Until I went from 25in tires to 33in I get wobble at any speed when ever I hit a bump. Anyone know what I can do?

Well just bought a steering stabilizer because of the deathwobble and its not the problem lol

Thank you this video helped me a lot on my 02 WJ Laredo. Bought brand new has 224k miles on it. I just redid my whole suspension front and back. Felt death wobble for the very first time in my Jeep. Right away people said it was my front stabilizer. I was like hmm is brand new. Nope it was my passenger side tie rod that was a little lose on the bracket on the bar. Amazing what a little movement can do. Yes you're right when you said is crazy out of control jolt & you can't control. I was on I95. Luckily I was on the slow lane and pulled over. People listen to him this video helped me out a lot.

Great video! You can use cardboard under the tires to test on a solid surface

I'm solving mine. Total noob. This is the best articulation of the problem I"ve heard. Of COURSE the first thing I did (today) was install a new steering damper. DUh! Tomorrow I'll check my track bar and then ball joints. Thanks!!!!!

Your #2 on that list should really be control arms anything that locates the axle in the jeep will have a heavy affect on the wobble of it, especially if it's being caused by a bump if your bushings are bad the axle will shove back a bit with the slop and then the bad Trac bar and such can't hold it!

My process was similar, yours is better though. How I diagnose death wobble... Drive Jeep... shake to death at speed and almost fly off road... don’t drive fast for year... Forget death wobble and get to speed again... death wobble x2... pull into garage. Watch RU-vid. Nothing gets done. Next day, we’ll I’m here I might as well lift it. Watch RU-vid, Next day... The day after... Next... Today.

GREAT explanation! I really appreciate the differentiation between “Death Wobble” and “Bump Steer”. I thought the presenter used a highly effective mix of technical jargon & common slang terms - while providing good explanations of both. Thank you!

This is great help, thanks for the amazing explanation

thanks for the vid. my 05 dodge durango does this every time i reach 70mph it shakes/vibrates like crazy on certain types of highway roads. also when i hit a hump it hops up and it moves to the left or right until it gains traction again. very scary. i changed the shocks because they were froze its not as bad now but it still does it so like you say best to change out everything you spoke about.

This is not a parts or maintenance problem... this is a FORD problem. I signed in a came here tonight to share my experiences... I swear to you these are not exaggerations. I bought a 2001 F250 straight off the dealership lot when it was new... about 3 times I was driving down the road and hit a bump and the steering wheel and front tires bounced like crazy and I thought the truck was going to flip... I sold that truck. In 2010 I bought an older used 2003 F250 work truck... again several times I was driving down the road and the truck would randomly start shaking so hard it blurred my vision and I almost crashed the truck. It started to do the death wobble once when I was going around a curve and I couldn't control the truck and ended up in the ditch almost against a rock cliff..I traded that in for a 2012 Ram 2500. I ended up going back to a 2007 5.9 Ram. I've had Chevys, Fords and Dodges and there are good models in all makes. Last Friday I was driving behind a guy in a 2014ish F250 going about 70mph. All of a sudden his front wheels started bouncing and he went into the death wobble... he didn't know what was happening but I did. I turned on my flashers and followed him. He tried to accelerate out of it and almost crashed his truck. He finally got it stopped and I pulled over and explained it is a Ford thing that I had on two of my own trucks. I swear to God this morning a friend and I started out on a fishing trip in his 2019 F250 and we were talking trucks and I told him about the death wobble. LESS THAN AN HOUR LATER we crossed a bridge and when he hit the concrete joint the f**cking truck started vibrating so hard he almost lost control of the truck. It vibrated so hard it blew out a power steering line. We pulled over and all of the fluid dripped out. We topped it off and the fluid dripped out so we drove to the coast and fished all day and drove all the way home with a dry power steering pump. Smoking and clanking the whole way. This truck has 15,000 miles on it! I will say my friend's truck is really good looking and the Powerstroke sounds pretty good but god damn what a piece of sh*t. Why hasn't Ford had a class action lawsuit over the death wobble? It's almost killed me twice and I am shocked that these trucks still do this. I know this has killed people

Having watched more videos than I can count related to this topic, yours is very informative. Stressing the importance of replacing all you can while your deep into a repair is time and money saved. This is never mentioned enough by others. You make this point. Great video!

I had a 98 keep grand Cherokee with death wobble. And I found a crack in the frame behind the steering box. I plated the frame and welded up the crack. After drilling small holes at each end of the crack. Stopping the crack from expanding. And problem solved lol. That was the best 150 dollar jeep I ever bought. Just because the other guy replaced Everything under the front end and could not get rid of the wobble.

I agree with DudeDylanB best explanation on RU-vid period. I almost went out and bought the Rough Country dual stabilizer for my death wobble problem. I'm gonna check all my joints first might still buy the Rough Country but now I know that the dual stabilizer isn't the main reason for it. Thanks D&E In The Garage!

Will this work for a challenger hellcat that wobbles in the rear ?

Watched 2 other videos for this. They only looked at stabilizer bar and replaced it. They didn't go any further. Thank you for this video. Own a 96 Grand Cherokee with death wobble. Also own 86 commanche.

OK. question. I have replaced everything they say that causes a death wobble. But i still have the death wobble??? and no one can figure out why its still doing it??

Fantastic explanation and walk through dude thank you so much !!! My 99 is hurting pretty bad atm.. death wobble with a vengeance. Now I know to start with the track bar !!! Bless you fellow bearded jeep brother

Excellent video. The best I’ve seen yet. One question: on the last test that you described do you want to go all the way from lock to lock with the steering wheel or do you just want to go back and forth about an eighth of a turn? I typically have done it the latter way and it seems to demonstrate where the play is.

Great video. I did all of the tests on my 2000 XJ. I ended up noticing play where the drag link meets the pitman arm. I changed the drag link, the steering stabilizer ( which was completely trashed) and pit new tires on. Drives like new now.

So i just got a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited and discovered the death wobble. So i went ahead and replaced the tie rod, drag link, track bar, both front bearings and hubs, the ball joints looked fairly oh k i just greased them and replaced a cv axle boot and packed with grease and last but least replaced the steering dampner and still having death wobble im gathering at this point i need a alignment and new tires maybe?

We don't want our poor Jeeps to get PTSD from such a bad experience...

My XJ had what felt like death wobble ( front end feels like it's falling apart while the steering wheel feels like it's a Browning 50 cal on full auto) every time I went over 40 while starting a turn. The wheels were balanced and aligned and it still happened. Changed the steering stabilizer and no more violent wobbling for the last 50,000 miles.

Brilliant video. Very very informative. I'd say you are the expert!

Thank you so much. This is great. The guy is a great teacher. I have a 2005 Sequoia with a random shaking that comes and goes. The mechanics first said it was likely a bad tire rib, so I bought new tires. Same problem. Then they said it is one of the rear air bag suspension. So they put that in. Same problem. So I too it back and they said it was a front and real wheel out of balance, and so they balanced the wheels (this time for freed). Same problem. So I took a video of the shaking of the steering wheel and the truck vibrating while driving. Yesterday, the mechanics put it on the hoist and said, "Ah ha. See here. It is the steering gear mounting bushings. See the play. We can replace the bushings with only 2 hours labor." I said that is something central under the vehicle and the actual vibration when it starts is in total sequence with the revolution of one wheel, because when it starts say at 50 mph and I let my foot off of the accelerator without breaking the vibration slows so that with each revolution of the wheels or wheel you can feel the "whump". Like - at 50 mph a rapid shaking to slower "whump .... whump .... whump" as you slow down. Then after its little fit and I turn it off and let it rest and start up again a half hour later and drive there is no vibration ???.

Really appreciated the tests for checking all points and explanation of what is acceptable tolerance of movement. Very helpful. Would liked to have seen more about tie rod ends.

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I love that I counted 2875 times this guy said "Death Wobble" Love it!

I just got a 08 jeep wrangler Dealer said it sways but that's natural for a jeep if I've never owned one I hit a big bump and the whole jeep stayed shaking felt like someone was holding me and shaking all the money out of my pockets Should I take this jeep back Or is it a simple fix Even when I make a right turn the jeep gives play when I turn like I'm about to run off the road, But it turns good left I'm so confused

much respect this was super informative

It could be as simple as the innner wear on the front tires will also cause the death wobble...move the front tires to the back or buy a new set... Had to replace tie rods,ball joints,leaf spings,shocks, and a bumch of other parts untill i found out it was the dam tires....😪 1990 f250 xlt lariat 4x4 7.3 idi turbo diesel on 35s with a 6inch lift...

Loved this! Been rding with death wobble for about a year now and it is exactly as you described. Get over 45 and hit a bump and I have to drastically slow down to get it to stop. Stop riding on highways to avoid it. Heard it was dangerous. Knew it was damaging the car but didnt really have a choice. Guess I'll get the whole front end kit off Amazon instead of just the control arms. Is it always the front end causing it or can the rear cause it too? Ive got gunk all in both rear wheels.

Tires was the cause of my death wobble. I have 33 x 12.50 Goodyear wrangler tires. 2005 Jeep Wrangler TJ. I had tried dual cylinder steering dampener. Didn’t fix my problem. But when the tires were replaced. Inside the tires had what looked like coffee grounds in all 4 tires. Guess it came from sidewall tires. Replaced the tires. That took care of my problem.

Thank you for your in-depth overview & how to check for the dreaded death wobble. I bought a 2017 JKU and experienced the death wobble after I had the Old emu 2-inch lift installed. So now will be checking everything you suggested in your video. Hopefully, I find the cause of it as now every bump I hit I think it's going to happen again.

also, "Very Important!" (replace the bushings and ball joint for the rear axle) along with front axle bushings, trac bar, knuckle ball joints and all rod ends..

Most informative video I've seen on Death Wobble yet. I'm replacing EVERYTHING this summer.

Just brought 87 jeep comanche with 86000 miles it had loose steering found out bad bottom ball joints. Thanks for video

i had horrible wobble on my 87 xj i changed the steering link all the tierods connected to the knuckle and pitman arm. Used a ZJ steering link to link to the opposite knuckle and changed the stabilizer strut. So i technically have a double steeringlink arm on my jeep and drives great no more wobble

Replaced Axle shafts,all axle seals, then checked spider gears. Then replaced Wheel bearing hubs. All4 tie rods and adjust sleeves, got alignment. Then replaced Steer dampener shocks, 2 track bars now, rebalancing all tires. All new brake parts. Sway bar links and bushings. Replaced literally everything. But ball joints, they are good greased and rock solid. Still have death wobble... I see my pinion seal is leaking again. I'm going tomorrow to replace the front drive shaft rear CV joint it seems really loose and noisy. I really want this to fix my WJ wobble once and for ALL.... Maybe that's why the pinion seal is leaking again? Any tips will help thanks.

Phenomenal. Best explanation I've come across. Like military precision.

I have a 1986 toyota pickup and I have experienced the death wobble that scared the living shit out of my soul. Great information.

In other words is your track bar supposed to move a lot when turning the wheel ?

Well, I'm back to this video after 3 years 😂. I used it before, changed all of the components, and finally cured the death wobble on my 2000 WJ. The hardest part really was getting it aligned enough to drive after changing the time rod ends. I got it good enough with string and measuring to limp it to a shop and do a proper alignment. Ran straight, no shakes, and was all good for a bit. A few months later, the trans cooler blew in the radiator. Changed the radiator and cleaned out the cooling system, but the transmission eventually also shit the bed. I bought a 1999 that was running, same lift and everything and parked the 2000 in the garage for parts. Now my 1999 (affectionately named "Betty White") has the old death wobble and needs attention. Luckily, I have all of the parts, unfortunately, they all need to be uninstalled first. Thanks again for the video, time to go swap some parts 😎

Thank you so much for the detail you put in this. Preparing to buy my first Jeep ( 2004 or 2005 TJ) and I've experienced death wobble in my first pick. This video gives me enough to start looking more critically.

My 1-ton Dodge dually has independent front suspension and has death wobble. It wasn't well-cared for by the previous owner so the ball joints are clunky, tie rod ends are worn, steering is worn, etc.

This helped a whole lot!!! I got a 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4.0. and as soon as I get some daylight, I'm gonna diagnose all of this. I have a strong idea that it's my track bar, according to your video. Thank you so much!

I've experienced death wobble before but I'm not sure if that is my issue now. I have a little vibration going on at higher speeds but definitely not death wobble, however I have this horrible clicking sound from somewhere in the front axel or steering components when going over bumps or articulating. Maybe check out the tie rods? Anyone have any ideas cause it's been annoying the shit outta me that I can't figure out what it's from lol

Great explanation! This really helped me fix my wobble before it became Death wobble. Thank you

Well explained video my friend also just learned today there also a steering gearbox stabilizer that attaches to the pitman arm that may help a bit.....but all the explained topics are very well noted!!! 🙏

Omg! For years I wondered what is was! Why! Who to fix it! I even expressed my concern to Dealership! They just looked at me Crazy. Thanx for the Video!!!

There's actually someone who has filmed the death wobble with a GoPro. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-07yvJuhnUYM.html As I recall this has been a big problem with certain Dodge Rams too... where was actually causing big accidents. Here's a link as to what trucks were actually affected what years 2008 to 2012 oriellycc.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-dodge-truck-death-wobble/

Echo the comment best explanation ever about anything. Masterfully done.

Great information my man,i have a 2005 Honda Accord,140,000 miles and I feel a wobble at all speeds from time to time,took it to FIRESTONE and they said it was my front struts and sway bar links and bushings,in your opinion do you think their diagnosis is correct???

First off great video. I have death wobble and can not get rid of it. Installed a 4" lift a month ago and somehow created death wobble. List of parts that are new in the last 30 days are... New wheel hubs both sides New ball joints upper and lower both sides New tie rod ends New drag link ends New adjustable track bar and bushings with 9/16 grade 8 bolts w/ welded washers New upper control arm bushing axle side New adjustable upper control arm New lower adjustable control arm New bilstein 5100 shocks New rough country steering stabilizer Tires rotated (no difference) Tires re-balanced (no difference) I've checked that no components are loose with the wheel test as well as ball joints just because even though they are New doesn't mean they are not bad. Before lifting to 4" it was at 3" for 2 years on same wheels with absolutely no issues. I'm at a dead end.

Can confirm, changed my steering stabilizer a couple months ago. It masked the wobble for a while but it is back now.

I have a 04 Cherokee with 2” lift I replaced tie rods, arms, bushings on the axle, track bar and still wobble at 70mph,

2004 jeep Rubicon... had death wobble replaced my ball joints and steering damper...no more DW. A few years later it's back. Going to do the track bar today ! UPDATE: did the trackbar and upper and lower control arms. JP runs like the day I drove it away from the stealership !

Finally an explanation that makes sense! Thanks. I'm off to figure out whats up with my TJ. It only does it between 40-48mph. (34" tires rotated and rebalanced) At least now I know what to look for. Would the steering box also pose a problem for that? I noticed mine has about a 1" play on steering wheel before the box reacts. (Though could be from extended damage of putting off fixing wobble)

It can't be the tie rods for me, I replaced them and drive shafts.

Very good explanation 👍that shit sucks when it happens lol

I’ve replaced my track bar, my ball joints are fine l, shock stabilizer is fine do you you think it is my control arm or could it be play in the gear box lmk ASAP

I fixed it a few times 2 the one I'm most proud of was my Comanche I had used mud tires on it 33 1050 R15 and I kept switching Parts out of the junkyard as I would find better parts that had less play in them and I fixed it all the junkyard parts and no stabilizer on it.

D&E, great video...super helpful. Any chance you can look at this video here shot this am and give me some advice? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1aaBtPcqYFc.html I've got pretty bad death wobble and assume that this is NOT a normal amount of play. Track bar is rock solid, zero movement. 2" lift, pretty stock size tires...245/75/16

Excellent explanation, thank you!! After some recent 4x4ing in my '04 TJ Rubicon, I've recently experienced this thing called "death wobble" FOUR times!! You're right...I should not have waited to get it checked. I thought it might have been a one-time occurrence...nope. I should have brought it straight in to the shop immediately since each instance of "death wobble" shook things up worse and worse, giving more and more play in the steering. I don't think it would have survived a fifth instance of "death wobble". There's a good video of death wobble in action at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ncTgYl7P_TE.html Had I seen that video first, I would have had my Jeep towed to the shop!

I have 99 wj between 50 n 60 if I hit brakes to hard I get xtreme DW any advise please

Man Yu Hit Every Detail On The Head I Really Appreciate This Man Yu Didnt Cut Corners Or Jus Give False Info Thank Alot💯

Thank you so very much for this video. Made so much sense. Best explanation ever.

Thanks for sharing the information. I had never heard of this condition 🤔 before it happened to me & terrified the breath out of me. Your video was placed in my path in a time of need & has truly helped me to know how to continue on my journey of getting my 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee back in shape. I have been chasing issues every since I've taken ownership that I didn't realize I was getting into. God Bless & again many thanks.

My brother in law sold me his 02 WJ for $200 due to a "really bad shaking" and "brake problems" The brake issues were sticky calipers (the vehicle came from up north, the rust is no joke). Put new calipers and now I don't get the death wobble.. or at least I haven't YET. Not sure if the two were related And yes, it is/was TRUE DEATH WOBBLE

I had that issue, on a 96 grand. I R&R'd all the control arms. That seemed to have fixed it. Haven't had the issue in years.

Thank you D&E, because of you I was able to diagnose and fix my death wobble. Best down to earth jeep channel on RU-vid IMO

Thank-you for making this straight to the point and very clear as to what you recommend doing big help

Great video, I fixed my ranger by replacing most of my of my ball joint to greasable ones now feels great even up to 90mph