I liked how each persons flashback to the night of the party showed themselves as the person closest to their father, with their arm around them. Showing how self centered everyone is.
@@austinohlrich9370 The difference between the way they think they treat her vs the way she remembers it is stark and very revealing into their characters
@@wilfroberts637 oh yeah for sure. They all wanted her at the funeral but were "out voted". Or when Richard calls Marta over to weigh in on a conversation and ends up just giving her his dirty dishes. I could go on for days. Fkning love this movie so much
Another detail I love about the movie is that four separate times, different family members off handedly mention where Marta might be from; Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, and Brazil. They all know she’s an immigrant, but none of them care enough to actually ask and know exactly where she’s from, or ask in the first place. It’s such a small thing I didn’t catch the first time but when I noticed it really added to the characters’ dispositions.
@@xenon8117 The little nazi child calls her an "anchor baby" and there's only a mention of her mother being undocumented, never her or her sister so it's entirely possible she was born in the US, making that joke that much better.
Thanks for pointing it out, I love this movie but I kept getting confused about what country she's from. Now I want to re-watch it in the hopes that she answers that question or someone does.
You know I don't usually have a problem with the endings of most movies I watch, did you mean it's one of the only twist endings you had no problems with?
@@RGC_animation He means the end is satisfying. The "good guys" get their rewards, the "bad guys" get their punishments. And everything *makes sense* ! A lot of films nowadays end and you feel a certain unease, either someone didn't get what they deserved or there are just so many questions to be answered.
Even though Ransom loses, he accepts it with grace and doesn't shed away his pride while the rest of the Thrombeys are just bewildered with Martha standing above of them.
I really love how completely obvious it is that Ransom did it but the movie does an incredible job at convincing you it wasn't him while simultaneously giving you all the clues which point directly at him. Can't praise this film enough honestly
What do you think it does to convince you it wasn't him? I really don't get it. One thing it should have done is create another possible suspect which the movie never does. It was obvious it was him and it was him, what is there to praise here? I don't get it.
@@92brunod Ransom helps Marta, and he seems to be a Red Hering. In my opinion I thought it was going to be Michael Shannon's character, who clearly was also set up as a villain, or maybe Don Johnson's
@@92brunod thank you I hope I wasn’t the only one. Tbh this movie is meant as a parody of mysterious films , not to be taken seriously and really the movie is just flat out corny , wrong and boring
@@ultrabigfella The moment Ransom starts helping Marta is when he becomes suspect number 1. Up to that point he was just a jerk, not a murder suspect. Michael Shannon's character if he was faking his disability maybe. Many of them were set to be shitty but none stand out. If any of them were the killers it would have felt cheap.
@@Itseightysix Yeah, as a fun movie is ok but it gets praise for the twist... The video says the twist is damn near impossible to figure it out beforehand, and it's the most obvious twist I've seen in a long time.
My favourite part/detail is that the movie starts with the cup of coffee that has writting "My house, My rules, My coffee!!", and then the movie ends with that same cup of coffee with Marta. Just amazing
@@keysburntgucci9016 i noticed it on the first run, (just watched the movie an hour ago) but I'm a writer whose's always had a natural instinct for spotting Chekov's guns like that. Still brilliant.
And it gives specific emphasis on the My House part, because Marta's hand covers the rest. So you know what she will do next about the family without her saying a thing.
correct me if I’m wrong because I haven’t done really any research on the movie other than watching it, but I feel Rian Johnson casting Chris Evans was intended, especially because Avengers Endgame came out in the same year, they tried to cast ransom as someone you could automatically love and trust, such as Captain America
I was so ready for Martha to be surprise revealed as the true killer who played the long con to get revenge on a family who disregarded her and avenged the one person she got along with. Instead, it promised us Martha was a nice character and she was proven to be a nice character. Like everyone else, I was relieved to the point of near tears when Blanc said she was a good nurse. The tension of who is the true killer wasn't just wondering if Martha or a family member will be arrested, but the stress of how long Blanc was taking to actually tell us, the audience, the answer. I was actually getting frustrated the longer he went on that doughnut theory.
Same, I suspected it at the start. I thought ''this might all have been a misunderstanding and he died for nothing'', but then I forgot about it and when he said that I cried a bit. The poor man DID die for nothing
@@DMWayne-ke7fl Did you totally miss the explaination of Mr. Blanc? She knew she was giving him the right medication because she can tell the difference between the viscosity of the two liquids. She did her job. If she didn't know what she was doing and had to rely solely on the labels, she would have surely been responsible for his death.
I always loved the part where she lists off the symptoms of an overdose and he doesn't exhibit any and kills himself. Like when I watched I was so confused as to why she wasn't sitting there going "wait wtf"
In the movie, she said tbe symptoms would start in like 5 or 10 minutes from injection and then he dies before symptoms are able to show. BUT I did read a comment from a nurse about that scene. Apparently he could have survived if she called 911 and then did cpr until help arrived but that didn't happen.
i think part of it is at least because they weren’t keeping track of time and also she’s panicking because she thinks she’s killing him, and isn’t in the right mindset
I found it odd that Marta said harlan would have symptoms in 5 mins yet even 7 mins later he has none. So I am surprised she didn't cotton on. Also the doctor tells Marta gran is dead yet she says to him that's great news 😅 plus everyone seems happy she is dead as ransom gets longer in jail
Also, I firmly believe casting choices played a big role in helping to subvert audience expectations. I remember sitting in the cinema thinking "there's no way Captain America is the murderer"
When I was watching it for the first time, I thought it was way too obvious for him to be the murderer, since he had the most motive to kill him and seemed like this biggest asshole. I was sure I was right when he rescued Marta and opened up to her at the bar. And then he turned out to be the baddie. If the film was played straight, I would have been so disappointed, but the use of subversion and genre switching made the conclusion thrilling. Really excellent screenplay and directing.
that makes a lot of sense. this reminds me of the casting choice for ryan in promising young woman. the audiences preconceived notions about a character even based on who they know them as in real life enhances the plot twist like crazy
One of my favorite little cheeky scenes I saw on rewatches with friends was when the center is burned down with all the evidence by a lit growler and then we cut over to Ransom’s house with Marta and you can see a line of growlers by his window with one obviously missing
What I loved about this movie is how I was able to pick up on certain clues but completely missed the ones that proved the culprit. I totally was suspicious of the scene with randsom and the dogs, I was suspicious of someone swapping the two bottles and I was suspicious of the grandma calling her randsom. And yet I still wasn’t actually suspicious of Randsom as much I should have been because of all the clues that PROVE it was him were so sneaky and the movie did such a good job at making you think Randsom was going to be mistaken for the killer that you don’t think that he actually will be.
I picked up on the same clues that you did, but that did make me suspicious of Ransom. There was a part of me that didn't want to believe that it was him cuz I wanted to root for "Captain America", but then I realized that's what they WANT me to think. 😂 Imo, the best mysteries lay out the clues so the audience can play detective, but still make it difficult to catch ALL the clues so we can't definitively say who it was (I overlooked the "Hugh" hint). So even though I picked up some pieces of the puzzle, I was still entertained seeing it all come together. I also really enjoyed the callback to Marta's bloody shoes at the end. There was such a dramatic, almost cheesy zoom-in on them in the beginning but so much happened afterwards that I completely forgot about them!
Same. My first thought was ransom did it, then I was like wait a minute she accidentally "killed" him. But then I thought ransom must have had something to do with it again, but It seemed so obvious at that point that I just stopped looking. Especially after he helped martha and seemed like he just wanted her money. The thing that confused me for most of the movie was how unaffected the granddad seemed from the morphine. Which makes sense, since he never got morphine. I only remembered that the old lady said ransom youre back again already when he sat down with her.
the swapped bottle makes no sense, even if the thickness of the liquid is different and one vile might be 20grams heavier than the other, you 'd never go by tact alone.
Another subversion was the whole casting of Chris Evans. When I was watching the movie I desperately wanted to believe that his character was at least deep down good. It was the effect of captain America. I saw Steve Rodgers, not randsom
Well, and we've got this trope of the young, handsome "bad guy" who is actually a good person deep down if people gave him a chance, his parents were just jerks, etc etc. The casting, as you point out, only increased this! And then... SUBVERTED
I think my favorite clue was that when I was watching it, it FELT like she hadn't poisoned him, because they have her describe what will happen as he overdoses, and it doesn't happen, he seems fully in control of himself and conscious throughout that scene which lasted several minutes. In this way the final reveal that she DIDN'T give him the wrong dose works even better, because it explained that nagging sense of "wait but shouldn't he have been getting drowsy?"
I immediately knew something was up because she did not have the antidote in her bag. Nurses are very careful with their medicine. It would be in the bag. The fact it was gone and she was surprised it was gone meant somebody must've took it which meant she was set up.
Also he would have cut his throat expecting to be drowsy and pain free with such a high dose and then died in whatever pain might come from such a wound, not a great way to go.
@@VidiaReePhoenix Right. She would have also known that EMS carries naloxone and she could just do rescue breathing to stave off hypoxia until they got there. She let him die so she would not get into some trouble for a medication error( which happens all of the time in the real world. Medicine administration errors are one of the most common mistakes in medicine).
It’s crazy how just when a genre is starting to become lackluster something always comes to change the game. This movie does just that with murder mysteries.
@@jrob4988 facts. I haven’t been a fan of “who done it” movies bc they’re usually predictable.. like the movie devil. I accurately guessed the perpetrator, bc it was the least likely to the average person, so I just guessed the opposite. Lol
When I saw James bond in the movie I was so excited, but then I heard him and I was confused. I couldn't believe that accent was coming out of his mouth XD
That was the very reason that I was distracted whenever he talked, I tried to focus on his acting as well as the plot but the accent was kind of bothersome.
Still she was utterly unprofessional ,though....A real life nurse would have read the name of the vial even if it was the only one she carried in her bag cause that is the standard procedure...Watching the inconsistency between the viscosity of the bottles and their label would have made her skip the dose entirely in the first place and so the plot would never unravel....This cop out for salvaging her was kinda cringy for everyone who had a passible knowledge of how health care proffessionals work....
Interesting thing I’ve noticed is that Blanc speaks earlier on about his process is “reading the arc of truth and waiting for it to land at your feet”. He suspected Marta from the very start, once she had confessed he could have taken that at her word and thought case solved, but he waited for the truth to fully reveal itself as it always would.
What I love is how the movie changes genres for the second act. For the whole second act, we think we know who did it, despite everything not adding up, and then bam, third act it becomes a who-dunnit again. The best part is that the killer is so incredibly obvious, or at least would be, if A) We didn’t have Martha’s flashback scene and B) they didn’t make him such an obvious Red Herring. A character like Ransom, in any other story, would just be the Red Herring. The clues line up just too well, it’s too obvious, so you disregard him, not to mention the fact that you believe Marta did it and it was all an accident. Then suddenly, bam, it hits you. You didn’t know everything, and the obvious, Fake Mc-Redherring is the real villain.
There is a novel by Agatha Christie with a similar plot twist: The guy who is suspicious from the start but is ruled out in the middle of the story is the actual killer.
This is one of my favorite movies now. When I first watched it and they revealed what happened with Marta and Harlon, I immediately got bored and couldn't understand why there was so much time left when the mystery was over, so I 100% wasn't expecting the twist. I was so shocked, and then I rewatched it and truly appreciated it all the way through.
I bet ol Dan Craig had a fun time with that one! On a serious note though, over the course of the movie there's a sort of mini-arc for CSI KFC where he begins as the mysterious, almost magically powerful detective, then we are sucessively shown him sort of failing to put it all together. I started to get the sense of how human and fallible our detective was, especially when he was singing alone in the car while the ambulance pulled up. He waxes poetic over several scenes in the beginning as he's trying to figure it out, only to ramble about donuts when the truth does finally come to him. The final chef's kiss on this arc is when it's revealed that he had seen the blood stain the whole time, restoring all his Sherlock Holmes cred. Fucking outstanding
@@mjmal3741 Yeah thats why i dont understand why people calling him stupid... U can see he knows martha is hiding something but he knows also thats martha would be the worst murderer ever bc of the vomit thing
The one plot twists that got me celebrating was when Ransom thinks the housekeeper is still alive in the hospital and confesses to everything, just to see Marta puke on the floor. THAT was an amazing twist. We were always told she can't lie, but at that moment she fought literally for her life.
I don't think Ransom being the murderer was "damn near impossible" to figure out. When he started helping Marta, I knew it was him. To me, that's what made it so great. You figure out who it is, but there are still a ton of fun twists at the end. Like the fact that he actually died by suicide and if Ransom hadn't killed Fran, he would've gotten away with it. It's funny that we all had different experiences while watching this film and it was still great to all of us. I think that's the thing that makes it exceptional. I also think its brilliance is in the juxtaposition of Marta and Ransom. They both played by their own rules. They went against everyone to try to protect themselves. Marta lied to police, took them on a car chase, destroyed evidence, etc. The difference is that, in protecting herself, Marta never wanted to hurt anyone else. Ransom didn't give a fuck. That's a twist in this movie just like everything else. Like I mentioned before, Ransom couldn't stop himself from killing Fran to keep framing and intimidating Marta. On the other hand, Marta couldn't stop herself from saving lives, like she tried to do with Fran. That's why she "won."
Why do you call "fact that he actually died by suicide" a twist? I mean, i know why I DID. It was really oblivios he didn't dying. I mean, that's actually has been spoken. 8 mins and he didn't even get high, not overdosed for sure. And the knife shows a bit before Go game starts. So, i was totally distructed by this idea, this is all his own game, and somehow he is alive, or at least have a plan (which will auto work somehow) to test Marta. He is a detective writer after all. How he actually cut his throat is shown with Marta flashback and should be the fact.
The suicide thing was not really a twist but I kinda want to call bull on calling off the investigation to find out the truth get the actual suspect who tampered the meds and tried to get martha arrested or such.
exacly we knew it was him when he started helping out but i love how once again the attention was diverted to how could it be him and will he get caught and am i wrong to think its him.
To me, Knives Out is less Johnson saying "Hey, I learned my lesson from Last Jedi!" and more Johnson saying "Hey, you know those storytelling elements you said were unequivocally bad in Last Jedi? Well, they're not, and here's why."
100%. People were just way too salty and overprotective of their Star Wars films, that all Disney had to do was make something bland and uncontroversial. And they fucked that up. And personally I’d say it was the best film of the 3. That’s because it wasn’t afraid to piss people off. It wasn’t afraid to be unpredictable. And yes, while at times there were stupid moments (Leia flying threw space, Luke chucking the lightsaber), overall, it was entertaining and the most emotional film of the lot (at least for me)
I think the issues in last Jedi have all in all very little to do with the twists. (I liked them for the most part). It has more to do with the impossibility of satisfying a fanbase that had already split at least twice (the prequels weren't exactly universally loved, neither was the force awakens) with very different expectations. Also the movie tries to blend a race against the clock, a training montage and a financial critique side plot: it doesn't really succeed in making all feel significant and well paced, but it's not as if it were easy. Also, blockbuster are very hard to do, more than movie snobs like me give them credit for. Sure, I love my bong joo ho's, my greta gerwigs and so on, but If they were asked to do a star wars film, the result would cause just as much backlash (as much as I'd love to see the result). Hell, Guillermo del toro's more indie films are seen as masterpieces, while his blockbuster are fun but don't enjoy the same prestige. I think it shows that expectations for blockbuster are higher than for any other type of movie. That spectacle is incredibly hard to conciliate with plot, theme and emotion.
jsmarty1 How was it emotional? Because he ruined Luke Skywalker, killed off the Snoke, the whole casino side plot that was ridiculous or that Throne room fight scene that was so horribly choreographed. He was just the wrong choice and made a terrible movie. I’m not a salty Star Wars fan and I watched Knives Out and it was great.
I think it's a mixture of things TBH. Subverting expectations can be done well and done badly, I think the backlash to TLJ was very over the top I think it was OK as a movie but not great there were some really good ideas in it but also some bad ones. Another major issue is he didn't get to do the movie before or after it doesn't set up much for the next movie at all except the relationship between Rey and Kylo and it didn't really expand in the ideas from the previous movie much either. Basically he isn't a bad writer but there were bad things in it and circumstances made it seem worse than the actual movie was.
The three rules you set are nearly perfect those rules are the reason I enjoy AoT so much was when they revealed who the colossal and armored titan is, you then realize it was hinted at from the start, there isn’t a single contradiction with earlier parts of the story, and it continues the entire story line
YES! easily my favorite scene in all of aot was when we found out it was reiner and bert (and i definitely didn’t cry when i watched it the first time)
Kudos to Chris Evans for achieving the near impossible...having to act onscreen like you _THOROUGHLY_ *HATE DOGS,* when in real life you _ABSOLUTELY_ *DON’T!!!* Mind you, the casting in 'Knives Out' is bloody brilliant all round, particularly Daniel Craig’s inspired comedic turn as detective 'Benoit Blanc,' subverting practically _EVERYBODY’S_ preconceived notions of what we’ve come to expect from his heretofore more familiar iconic role as a certain stoic secret agent! PS: Considering the global pandemic we’re *ALL* currently experiencing - & the *VERY REAL* risk to human life - the delay of 'Bond 25' & the like is *[OBVIOUSLY!]* in no way comparable whatsoever, & definitely "bearable," _ESPECIALLY_ when we have great content like *THIS* on YT to keep us distracted during our *TOTALLY NECESSARY* enforced coronavirus lockdown! Stay safe "out there" people, but - _CRUCIALLY!_ - *AT HOME!!*
Chris Evens tweeted that he had treats and toys in his pockets to get the dogs riled up. Apparently he played with them between takes to make sure they came to him. Captain America is the man!
I actually IMMEDIATELY knew that the vials were switched and she didn't actually kill him. But I didn't realize it was Ransom just because of Chris Evans acting. I thought for sure the twist was "Ransom isn't an asshole like he was hyped to be."
psteeg: You’re *WELCOME!☺️* But seriously, my sincere apologies; I’m afraid I got _A LITTLE_ carried away, there!! *[DAMN!* I _CAN’T_ seem to *STOP* myself _NOW!_ *AARGHH!!!😬* Let’s hope it’s *NOT* a heretofore unidentified latent symptom of the coronavirus!🦠😳]
I watched this movie with family, obviously expecting a 'Whodunnit?' and then it just got better and better. We actually spent like a month after trying to convince my grandmother to watch it without spoiling, I love this movie so much.
I loved how in the flashback the victim mentions how Ransom can't distinguish a prop knife from the real one. It was then later perfectly paid off in the finale. A Chaikov's knife if you will.
verisimilitude, the appearance of being true or real Just in case you're like me and just learned a new word edit: this comment looks way dumber 9 minutes in
While "verisimilitude" is a word that has been used for centuries I believe that "weaponize a movie trope" is a phrase that was invented in this video.
A word that’s carried from old theater plays. It’s never stopped being used and it’s always a benchmark for movies. Which is why so many people hate Last Jedi as a film for doing the exact opposite.
@@kanrafingerguns u watched the trailer and I thought I was him because he said the less and was in the trailer the less so they didn't want to spoil the end scenes
Kanra Nakura For me, it was him asking her about what happened in the restaurant. He seemed to be capitalising on the fact that she thought she could trust him since he didn’t like his family, so that he could gather info on what happened.
@@kanrafingerguns For me it was when they said the dogs were barking & Harlan explained that the dogs won't bark if they know you. When Marta was there they didn't bark at her but they barked for Ransom. I knew immediately it must've been him
You didn’t even mention one of the coolest subversions for me. The fact that the only true murderer was the victim himself who killed himself to protect the maid that thought she had poisoned him only for us to find out that even though Ransom switched the vials, she actually DIDN’T poison him because she’s just good at her job.
It’s alright if you don’t like the Last Jedi, but saying that “this Rian Johnson” is not the same as “that Rian Johnson” is just short sighted. We’re talking about the same man who directed Ozymandias, one of the best episodes of Breaking Bad. He clearly has talent. One of his pieces of work doesn’t define his entire career. Hopefully this doesn’t come off as me hating the video. I think you present a lot of great information and insight. I enjoyed the watch and plan on checking out others.
And BRICK & LOOPER which were both very good. Don't apologize. You can enjoy the video & still disagree with certain points. It would be so nice if we could get back to that frame of mind as a culture.
It also doesn’t help that JJ and Johnson apparently didn’t really communicate and that they have different styles. They basically unintentionally sabotaged each other.
Rian Johnson prove me that he is not the right director to run, not just Star Wars, but franchises in general. He is the type of director than needs to be just independent and original movies. And thats even better
Re: foreshadowing and the dogs... Whenever I hear lines like "best judge of character is a dog" I immediately know that one of two things is the solution, either the person the dogs don't like is the guilty party OR the story is going to make the person the dogs don't like LOOK guilty, when they are not. If the story doesn't go out of i's way to make that person look guilty, then you know that is the guilty person. Maybe I've just been too exposed to these tropes, but none of them have succeeded for me in a very long time :(
For me this cue was so obvious that I thought it would be just another misdirection and subversion of the genre as by that time the film obviously evolved into much more then a typical murder mystery.
FlesHBoX thanks, great to know what you think of me. And, just in case you are wondering, both myself and dogs hate each other. Any other people you meet will tell you that I am hilarious, wise, understanding, and interesting. I also write wholesome stories and poems, but none of them were published yet, so... Endpoint, the fact that a dog doesn’t like you proves nothing.
@@yevheniishyshko7961 The point was the film trope and how it's used as foreshadowing, nobody was questioning if you were a good person but it shows up in film and TV so much as "undeniable fact" that I get why you're bothered by it. Again tho leave poor FlesHBoX alone lol
Even CinemaSins admitted this movie is fucking gold, and that man hates every movie ever so Knives Out truly must be the best film in history like c'mon
I stopped watching CinemaSins. I find their hatred of movies and dumb jokes too much. It was nice in the beginning because they would point out *actual sins & mistakes,* but then it became all about length of logos and his ex girlfriend. 🙄 I watch *Th3Birdman* now.
Another thing about Knives Out that is so brilliant about the change in genre is that even if you think you knew who did it at the beginning, framing it as an accidental poisoning and suicide where the main character tries to get away with it is just brilliant. As soon as Ransom (Chris Evans) showed up I figured he might have been the killer because, unlike everyone else, he had no motivation to find out who did it and he only cared about the money. But then they showed what happened that night from the main character who doesn’t lie’s perspective, and I thought “well, then it definitely isn’t him”. So that when the entire family tries to confront Martha and Ransom is the only one trying to help her, it makes sense because he was never interested in who killed Harlan, he just wanted the money he was supposedly screwed out of getting his whole life. So while you know he is doing it for selfish reasons, he at least is helping the main character. It’s only when someone else is getting killed, one of the characters that was on to Ransom the whole time, that the murder mystery plot comes back into play, because at that moment you realize that maybe the murder mystery is not over and there really was a killer trying to frame the original murder as an accidental suicide. It’s brilliant and it makes Ransom a compelling villain because of his clever way of going about his plan.
That probably should have been the one major subversion kept in that movie. It would actually give Rey a character arc if they actually followed up on it.
Exactly, While the mystery was interesting and fun. I enjoy the ending message that anyone can be a Jedi. That you don't need a famous lineage that's literally changed the course of history already. It's why I also loved the force sensitive kid in that film that was on the casino world. Another child nobody but with the potential for greatness.
Re: Rey’s parentage - 1) can we be sure the promise has been broken? could this be, potentially be, misdirection? sleight of hand? 2) since the promise was made by another, elsewhere, why should he wear the blame that that other - instead - should bear?
I agree but the verisimilitude was broken due to her obscene power levels already. We had three movies in 99 and the 00's that had a heavy focus on Anakin's power and how it was due to his Chosen One nature. And everything could've been awesome with her having no special linneage and them keeping it fairly mid-levelish tame power levels (or at least have her train dang it), but then Rey lifts a megaton of rocks at the end of TLJ with the established fact she had no special parentage and just utterly out-performs Luke or Anakin or everyone ever and the consistency of the franchise got yeeted, sad times
I agree with everything you said except for one point: I actually LOVED the reveal in Star Wars that Rey's parents were nobodies. That actually had a ton of value for me. Through most of the movies, we're shown that certain bloodlines are powerful jedi. But in truth, anybody can be Force sensitive. Anyone at all. It doesn't *matter* who your parents are, you can be powerful regardless. And that mattered so much to me. I liked that they swapped the 'who are her parents' quest to have such a mundane answer (even though that clearly hadn't been intended until they switched screenwriters). It was very important to me that Rey was powerful because she was her. It had nothing to do with what bloodline she's from. So actually, I hated the 3rd movie's choice to make it Palpatine because first off OBVIOUSLY bringing Palpatine in with zero explanation was a seriously stupid choice. But secondly, it invalidated the message the 2nd movie gave us in saying that your parents don't matter, you are powerful because it's within you. Instead she is given another famous Force-sensitive predecessor and makes all of that matter not at all.
The later star wars film were utter garbage, mean spirited woke propaganda made to not make sense to the people who were the intended target audience, but the creators completed their intended agenda.
Well, whatever one wants to make of these films my opinion is that they are not very good, and will stand the test of time. I only needed to see The Last Jedi once on opening night to know this trilogy is not for me, I don't need to rewatch them, therefore I just move on to better crafted films.
I'm in a weird position, because I like most of what I believe to be Rian's ideas in The Last Jedi. The parts that I dislike are the complete plot cul-de-sac that is the B plot and what I believe to be Disney mandates that keep most characters in holding pattern. Also, the complete waste of time that was Captain Phasma.
Yeah what I didn’t like about TLJ is totally different than what I hear everyone talk about. I was fine with the twists and I actually believe he would’ve been able to come up with a satisfying follow up on TLJ, but I just couldn’t stand the casino scene and what they did with Finn and Rose
Also, when you say Rey's parents being nobody special was a pointless reveal, I can only say that it was immensely satisfying for me. Precisely because of the verisimilitude you discuss in this video. All the fans had been speculating wildly over who her parents were, but why, really? Nobody ever cared who Yoda's parents were, or Palpatine's, or Obi Wan's or Mace Windu's. All of their parents were nobodies, and nobody cared, despite those characters being immensely powerful. The reveal (and perhaps this is why people hated it so much) revealed to all these speculators (including myself) how stupid we were being. I appreciate when someone shows me that I was being stupid, but most people don't, in my experience. And while we may look at Vader's relationship to Luke as something that was perhaps amazing at the time of its reveal, "X is your father/mother!" has since become little more than a cheap plot device to try and shoe-horn in drama. Like the implication that Joker was actually Batman's brother, in the Joker. In the end it's deconstructed there but if they had actually followed through on the idea it would've been sooooo lame. "The Joker is Batman's brother!" doesn't add to their story, it would actually detract from it, making the universe feel smaller, less like a world and more like a mom's basement where everybody needs to be related to each other. Characters don't need to be related to each other by blood to create drama, and doing so it just kind of cheap. Characters who actually clash because of their ideals or their different positions are much more compelling in my opinion.
It's weird how you assume everything Johnson did that YOU personally didn't agree with in TLJ is a mistake HE realized while making Knives Out and amended, never mind the fact he was already writing let alone into production on Knives Out well before Last Jedi came out and there was any kind of reaction at all.
i kept thinking about that! he's had the idea for knives out for a long time. and maybe he did learn some stuff from TLJ, but maybe it's just that a SW movie was NOT the right fit for his writing style, but this "whodunnit" he's been thinking about for years was
@@bruna8778 Exactly, I was really surprised to hear that Johnson was working on TLJ; the first film of his I ever watched was Brick, which definitely has more in common with Knives Out than Star Wars
Not really since movies will screen to a test audience and possibly make changes before release. Even if he had shot all of Knives Out, he could still make changes in the edit regarding which take he used, order or scenes, voice over etc. You have no idea what Knives Out might have been in the shooting script. Whether he "learned anything" or not, we can say that subverting expectations doesn't work unless the subversion is more exciting than what we expect to get. And that is the biggest problem with RJ's subversions in TLJ - not that they are bad choices per se, but they aren't as exciting as the expectation. Though having seen Looper, TLJ and Knives Out, I can say, none of them really did it for me.
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The main point with subversion of expectation is to *never* use it just to subvert expectations (aka to shock and/or frustrate the audience). It always needs to have a bigger purpose than that, it needs to serve the story instead of only itself.
Rewatching it there’s TONNES of foreshadowing. The whole season one was basically George telling us that Ned refuses to play. Everytime he has the power he shows his hand. He trusts everyone left and right. He follows the rules of the world when everyone is following their own rules. Even when he suspects Littlefinger is taking him for a ride, he explodes and chokes him against a wall.
I loved the film, but to be honest, I was looking for the clues all the time. Maybe I am too used to watch movies, but to me it was always clear that Martha won't be sent to prison. Because then it would be a tragidy - she is clearly the protagonist. Anyways I enjoyed the movie very much! I knew something would twist the plot, I just was not sure what it would be or how. But I was even pretty safe with the killer.
Studies have been done to show that even when a text is spoiled, the enjoyment (on average) stays the same or even improves. So even if someone CAN catch the twist, it can still be extremely enjoyable. Good on you for catching it though, I certainly didn't.
@@unstoppacraftyt6707 lol. maybe dont watch these videos or read through long comments when you don't want information about the movie. That is not my fault.
@@ectofrost my dad passed away in 2014. He had an extensive Agatha Christie collection, that I have saved, but have yet to read any of the books. I am fond of them because they gave my father immense joy, and one day it'll be the right time for me to start reading all of them.
Ray parents being no one, did achieve something, it showed that anyone no matter your heritage you can be a hero. It is one of the core moments and really a fantastic plottwist. And it is a really fantastic messsage for a children film. Otherwise great video, i also loved Knives Out, it is such a good, accessible and fun film.
But then they threw it all down the drain when in the literal next movie she turned out to be a Palpatine which then demolished the whole “you don’t have to be the star child or chosen one to be special and it kinda bummed me out
The whole "no matter your heritage you can be a hero" is an awesome angle for a story for sure, however, it wasn't done correctly in TLJ and that's why it felt so meaningless and divisive. If that was the only 'hard left turn' in TLJ, I think it would have played better but unfortunately that movie is non-stop hard left turns.
His idea on foreshadowing is pretty cool. I think so it also the same for books. I read a book by Agatha Cristie known as the Murder on the Orient Express. The murder in question is done by a knife and there are the same number of stab wounds as the number fo passengers, adding Micheal (forgot what is role is) and deducting Detectice Poirot. This so clearly symbolizes that all of the passengers are in on the murder, but it is so hard to notice that it is a shock when it is actually revealed. It was hidden under everyone's nose this entire time.
Yeah. I didn't bother finishing it. The argument of novel thematic intrigue versus sticking to established narratives has been heavily explored for the last several years of star wars videos. I definitely didn't want to relive it again in a video not about star wars -_-
Yep. I loved both movies, and I was hoping this would be a breakdown on Knives out and not more crying about not liking TLJ. Rain didn’t “learn” from TLJ, he knew what he was doing and would have taken Star Wars in a new and interesting direction.
@@legndofphoenix What I disliked the most here is that he was analyzing Knives Out in a relatively smart, sensible manner, and all the jabs at TLj were just most surface level fanboy nitpicks. Especially him addressing the Rey parent reveal hurt me as he completely missed the thematic and dramatic value of the scene. He didnt even disagree with it, he completely ignored it for simple "I was hyped for the epic reveal". Its like watching two completely different videos from two completely different authors with two completely different analysis approaches got mixed into one thing.
This movie is undoubtedly awesome, but I don't know if saying Ryan Johnson learend from his mistakes makes senese in that context. He was always good at writing twists. Just look at his first movie: Brick. It's well written, and I won't spoil it, but the twist is awesome as well. Maybe the Last Jedi was just a one time mistake, maybe something else happened, Idk. The point is Ryan Johnson was always good at writing twists. P.s. I actually think TLJ is a good movie with some good twists, but that's a different discussion.
Reys parents being nobody wasn’t for nothing, it was one of the best most Star Wars moments ever until Jar Jar Abrams ruined it in TROS then actually making that moment in Last Jedi mean nothing.
I agree. I don't think that example of a broken promise by Johnson was a good one. I think people were fine with Johnson's subversion there because they were uninterested in another Star Wars movie do yet another "who is their family" plotline. A better example of a broken promise was Luke Skywalker. The entire plot of TFA was centered around finding Luke and learning the truth behind his disappearance, but that promise was broken when he, like said in the video, broke character and threw Anakin's lightsaber away.
@@supermahmus9008 I agree. And Luke's arc was pretty satisfying. He wants to run away from his mistakes in the past, but then Yoda shows up like Rafiki and instills some wisdom like always. It's a pretty clever way to turn the legacy character into a legned to the new rebels. A new hope, indeed. I wish more SW fans saw it this way, but...sigh...
my favorite part about Glass Onion is that Rian Johnson didn't bother to try and copy the beauty of Knives Out, because he knew he had already made Knives Out, so instead he took it in a different direction and explored other elements of the story. I mean Blanc is the only consistent character between both movies.
Right off the bat I disagree with you that Johnson “learned” his lesson. It’s more like he applied is tendency toward subversion to a kind of movie where we actually expect twists and turns. Which is in a whodoneit mystery. On the flip side we got The Last Jedi which did twists that kept the movie unpredictable for itself, but did so discrediting much of the mythology and narrative of the films that came before it. This was done in a genre where good sequels are supposed to enhance, provide context, or evolve the myth going forward. A one time whodoneit mystery is all fair game for twists and subversion because that is what we are actually here for!
i feel like the best (or maybe just my favourite) way to tell stories like this is to give the audience a gut feeling about at least two of the three main questions (who, how and why) from the beginning but have them saying to themselves 'surely not' until the big reveal. so a lot of people were pretty sure there was foul play from ransom because he was being cut out of the will, but then the whole thing flips and maybe he has nothing to do with it and he's even being nicer to marta than we thought he could be. and yet teh audience is still sitting there like surely it was him because of the motive and the character in general, but surely it wasn't him because if it is then it's a twist on a twist just to get to where we started. and then the how is revealed and it all makes sense because you saw it coming but you didn't want to say it with confidence until the writer pointed you in the right direction
Honestly I loved this movie and it's an odd story as to why I saw it. I was going to see a different movie, but it wasn't out so I decided to see Knives Out instead and it became one of my favourite movies.
I was gonna see 1917 before it went out of theaters, but I forgot my ID so I wasn’t allowed to see it (which btw, is the stupidest bs. It’s a bloody film which I paid in advance to see, so let me see it). But I was pleasantly surprised and I was clapping by the end
@@jsmarty1 Ah that sucks, I have yet to be ID'd seeing an R rated movie in theaters, good thing too cause I wouldn't be old enough for any of em anyways. Out of curiosity, what Country/General area are you in? That enforces ID checks that much in Movie Theaters.
Same! My dad and I decided to watch a movie after dinner one day, I had never even seen a trailer for this movie, and now it's one of my very favorites
16:09 From a certain point of view. For me, it made Rei's story more standlone like she wasn't destined or of a special descentage. Just another nobody who managed to achieve greatness and impact the galaxy. Whether or not it stayed that way was a different matter.
Man, I'm really loving your videos. The idea of subverted tropes is actually a HUGE trend in a lot of video game and the center piece of some of the most celebrated moments in video game history. It just seemed like something you would be interested in knowing because, I know your a movie channel and don't expect that to change. Just thought I'd share some examples like Bioshock, Silent Hill 2, and Undertale. Admittedly if your not already well versed in video games then these subversions might not actually mean anything to you at all but I think it relates to your topic of subverting tropes very well.
EXACTLY! I'm tired of everyone having to be related. It was beautiful when Johnson told the audience that something special can come from anywhere. That was the foundation of the Jedi Order in episodes I-III. I feel like The Closer Look totally missed that concept that was displayed throughout the film, including with the slave boy at the end. It was very poetic, meaningful, and runs consistently with the logic of the Star Wars universe. It is also a good juxtaposition to Kylo Ren, who does derive his great power from his bloodline. It's contrast.
Looking back, I really can't think of how any other answer to the question of Rey's parentage would have been even remotely as interesting. Shame they blinked in TROS.
@@sneakymale3695 The Last Jedi doesn't state the story has never been about Skywalkers. Anakin had his own story and so did Luke. It does state, however, that it is NO LONGER their story and it is time for a new generation to take their place. The distinction is crucial.
The issue with star wars was Rian brought a new style to a fleshed out universe that stood strong for multiple decades. Knives out gives us characters that don't have established personalities until they get introduced
@@bigt7706 it was also just shit in terms of writing lmao. Good directors have bad movies sometimes. It’s unfortunate that it had to be Star Wars, but it is what it is.
@@santiagobauza4257 Ozymandias was undoubtedly beautiful. I admit. but he wasn't working from scratch. I expect directors with class to be able to make good things if they have good material. But you're right (if you are referring to Oz, I assume). However, I think it says more when someone directs the best AND worst episode of the same material. Look no further than "Fly".
I remember watching this around last year, my friend recommended it to me and was hyping the movie up all until we sat down and watched it, since then I've heard so much praise for the unexpected twist and all the aspects of the movie. Yet looking back I was somewhat disappointed, I thought the bringing of the idea that the one character who obviously looks snobby and who the dogs dislike and who seems like this arrogant son as the killer while it wasn't painfully obvious, I expected this Avant Garde esque twist I guess, in the scenes before them pinning down the killer I had been convinced this was all a theatrical experiment set up by the grandfather to get inspiration for the plot of his next novel I was so ready for this grand twist, which could have also added a mystery factor such as the snobby grandson ended up TRYING to murder the grandfather but failed in one way or another. Maybe its just me but did anybody else have that feeling of so much more could have been done, simply based off every critique towards this movie it seems like i'm am being arrogant and its perfect as it is but to this day I'm not sure. thoughts?
I agree. I would have been content with a post-credit scene (or scenes), revealing either Evil Marta (who genuinly tried killing him and had been playing the long game and even abusing her skill to puke on command to make herself super trustworthy) or Drama Grandpa (who loved drama so much, he wanted to go out with a big bang, confronting everyone after having rewritten his will and choosing to cause the 'earthquake', so Marta wouldn't check the labels again due to her being such a "good nurse" after having found out that Hugh tampered with the labels. Both could also have been the ones secretly hiring Bond
I can tell you multiple times in the theatre me and my brother were excitedly smacking each other's arms as we started to see more and more of the plot unfold like skxmnwqn
Your bit explaining foreshadowing came at an excellent time because yesterday i watched the newer Death on the Nile film with my mother and wasn't able to put the words together explaining why the ending was so unsatisfying, and the mystery so frustrating. Stumbled across this video and when i got to that part i immediately tracked her down and showed her, so thanks a bunch for putting into words what i understood but could not articulate.
The best part of the plot twist is how Ransom was introduced. When he was introduced, he appeared distant from the family and appeared to be the obvious killer. However, the story leads the audience to believe that he's innocent. It lets us know that Ransom already knew about the changed will, meaning he knew he would not get anything. It let us know how much pleasure Ransom was taking in the family tearing itself apart, which gives motivation for why he still bothered to show. He then seemed to help Marta, and it appeared that he was doing so he could still get some of the will money through her. This all comes together to make a character that the audience itself deduces is innocent after initially believing he was guilty, and we are not likely to try and change our minds, especially after seeing the genre flip into how will Marta get away with it.
16:09 Well, it served the message that anyone can be great, you don't have to be a Skywalker. I still don't think it worked well in the trilogy as a whole, but it did do *something*
Yes, but I think what he meant is that the mystery was not made to have that answer, Ratatouille for example has a great message with that same Philosophy of anybody can Cook, but a main reason of why Rey was Interesting is because we were told her parents where important, which is proven by the fact that in Rise of Skywalker she is Palpatines blood because bs Ex-Machina
Exactly! It did 'nothing' for the fans who spent two years meticulously crafting theories about Rey's parentage, but it serves a pivotal point for Rey's character, who up until that point is focused on finding external value and her 'place in all of this'. The revelation the Vader was Luke's father was the gut-punch that complicated Luke's arc. Its the worst thing that he could hear in that moment because it meant the father he idolized and in whose path he was eager to follow was also the very enemy he was intent on destroying. For Rey, the 'revelation' (since she seemingly already knew this) that her parents didn't leave her for some special purpose is a gut-punch because it forces her to accept that she must forge her own identity rather than find it in others (which ties into the larger them of taking the past and shaping it into something better, 'growing beyond' what came before, not 'killing it' like so many seem to think).
@@FreelancerLA I mean, "kill the past" is also said by the bad guy of the story, you know, the guy who's supposed to be wrong and who gets played like Johnny's golden fiddle at the end of the movie. Both he and Luke had at some point very strong opinions about the past and failed. Luke tried to rebuild the past and especially the Jedi order, (exactly) as it was, which according to the Heroes Journey can't possibly work, and Kylo wanted to burn the past, which can't work either since "[past] failure is the greatest teacher". This also kinda ties to the rest of the characters (Rey wants to turn Kylo as Luke did Vader; The Gang™ wants to infiltrate the, uhh, big ship since it worked in the Death Star before, so what could go wrong and so on; they try to recreate the stories they heard so much about growing up but don't account for the fact that Rian Johnson wrote the script aka they're just not that lucky). The key is balance: you have to learn from the past but can't recreate it, especially not it's flaws and you can't ever forget it, or else you're running in circles.
It's a case where I blame Disney rushing into a trilogy without a plan rather than Johnson. I know it's subjective and personal, but Rey's parents? Never been interesting to me. We already had luke and Leia, Arguably anakin as well. We didn't need another revelation regarding anyone's lineage. I agree with the video's note about the symbolic value of anakin's lightsaber to luke. but throwing out Snoke and the mystery of Rey's origins were probably the best thing to do to make a better, more creative and ambitious story going forward... unless of course Disney rehired Jar Jar Abrahams, gave Rey a famous granddaddy and tried to explain Snoke as if he were a weak copy of Paplatine (which he canonically sorta is, which is funny). The issue is that those subversion don't really pay off in the movie, they leave it open for a sequel that looked at the space it had to make something new, and the sequel said "nope!" and just made bigger dumber return of the jedi. And I'm not saying TLJ was a great movie either. The conceit of the chase between the rebellion and empire (sorry, the resistance and the first order... god this is dumb) as the main ticking clock is similar in concept to mad max fury road. But by having Rey learning on a chill island and Finn and Rose sent on a wild goose chase at space Monte Carlo, the movie breaks the momentum the movie could have had. Even though I like the discussion of the failure of the Jedi and their precepts, even though I love the critique of the war economy, the story lacks cohesion.
@@maximeteppe7627 I think one of the weakest points of this trilogy and specially last movie is that it tries to be half nostalgia and half a new movie, but it ends up being one when it should be the other, the parts they try to be nostalgic end up seeming as a copy because they had no idea what to put there, and the parts that try to be new fail because they make no sense in the middle of a nostalgia sea. Kind of what happened to Cars 3. I swear that movie is a worse copy paste of the first one
Remember that scene where Martha said "That's great news." to the doctor? If you listen to that scene again, you can't really hear the last few letters of what she said, it sounded like "grea--". So, it's possible that she actually said "That's grave news." to the doctor. Its wordplay, similar to the use of "Hugh" and "you" God, I love this movie.
I must say the best thing about the ending for me was how Marta's story was wrapped. The fact that she gave him the wright medicine because she unconsciously notices the density difference was both amazing and heartbreaking. It's tragic because the old man wasn't going to die and she was actually right about waiting for the emergency but he didn't listen and also nice because we know how nice and caring she was.
@@coochiha just watch it, I was shocked when I saw Rians name on the film at the end of the movie. Oh and TLJ, just imagine the sequels never happened or not cannon, it helps.
This video successfully subverted our expectations by saying it's about knives out but actually being you just complaining about the best twists of TLJ.
I think it's fair to write a video about plot twists by comparing it to another example. Especially by the same director. Even if you don't agree with the conclusion (TLJ is bad, Knives Out is good), you can at least appreciate the differences in how the plot twists were executed between the two.
@@alxjones Although I agree it is nice to compare two works from the same director, it was obvious he had a bias against tlj and I think that’s what people don’t like. Also something I didn’t agree with was the way he said that Rian Johnson learned from his “mistake”. It’s not a mistake if it was intentional, as shown in a clip in the video. He simply created a new story that goes against the normal Star Wars tropes, which can be seen as good or bad.
16:20 personally I thought the subversion of the mystery about Rey’s parentage was one of the best things about The Last Jedi and was frustrated when they went back on it. I felt like it was saying greatness can come from anywhere. Like Anakin did Rey could. I felt using a famous name ruined the drama. Did it really add anything to the plot that she was Palpatin’s granddaughter? Like really? But by making her a nobody it made her link with Ben more momentous. He stood there and seemed to say, with the guilt of his father’s murder on his mind, I have the heritage and look what I’ve become. You don’t and see what you could become.
"When Ray's parents were revealed to be nobodies it achieved nothing except disappointment", "pointless" - I could not disagree more. The political and story-telling implications of this reveal deconstructed the many centuries-old cliche that the hero will end up being from royal blood. By opposing that he made the star wars universe much more interesting for me. The fact that it annoyed fanboys (and The Closer Look) just made it all the more appealing. By walking it back in the sequel JJ showed that he has no vision, only the desire to fan-service.
Also I think it widens the scope of the story. If everything in that universe revolves around a single cast of characters then the world feels more restrictive. Everything comes from nothing.
YES! THANK YOU. Everything the guy said about Knives Out was interesting and insightful, but everything he said about Star Wars was infuriating. Rey’s parents being nobodies was incredibly refreshing and a masterful stroke of storytelling, and it elevated the Star Wars universe and lore to new heights. As regarding Luke throwing his lightsaber away, it was not only completely credible, but also appropriate. Credible because Luke was 100% done and disillusioned with the whole Jedi thing, he literally could’t care less about anything about being a Jedi. The lightsaber was of course the perfect condensed symbolic representation of all that, so it makes a painful amount of sense that he would throw it out like that. It’s painful to see someone so obviously knowledgeable about cinema misinterpret that moment so profoundly. Rian Johnson’s Star Wars movie was indeed a bad fit for the trilogy it was in the middle of, but that’s only because the trilogy started by JJ was only interested in delivering serviceable traditional Star Wars movies, while Johnson obviously wanted to elevate that story. Rian Johnson was literally overqualified for that job.
Fabio Bracht Yeah, he got interesting and refreshing concepts, which would've enhanced the future of the next movies. Uhh, if he only had done a good job on that. He was qualified to make a good impact, but under in the aspect of doing it the right way.
And yet Anakin was a slave child of a slave mother living in the ass end of the galaxy. That's pretty much "nobody" to me. The first six movies do tell the story of the Skywalker family, sure, but it's never said all the other force families were storied lineages either. And even then, I never got the impression Rey actually cared about her parents. In TFA, she was worried about WHERE they were, not WHO they were. But when she finds Finn, BB-8, Han/Chewie, and Leia? She abandons Jakku and her family altogether. By that flashback, she should have been old enough to remember their names/faces, so she was just too afraid to break out entirely on her own to find them. At least on Jakku, she is in a familiar place with familiar (if not exactly friendly) faces. If she left to seek out her parents... she truly would be alone. But after forming a friendship with teh others... she no longer cares. Because what she truly wanted were people to love and love her in return. Whether that be her "real" family or one she finds along the way she didn't seem to care. She just didn't want to be alone anymore. Thus, WHO her parents were never really mattered to Rey, so why should they matter to us? Then Rian Johnson posts a picture on his twitter account. He's holding up a card that reads "your fan theories are shit" or some such. So when that throne room scene happened... It wasn't Kylo talking to Rey so much as Rian trolling the audience. It was about pretentious "subverting expectations" instead of following a theme. He just didn't want to be seen as "pandering" to the fans by giving them what they expected... so he purposefully set out to "subvert" everything we thought would happen following TFA. Which was kinda the point of this video. Rian had a great idea he executed badly in TLJ. So he refines his craft and tries to properly setup a clever movie instead of just trolling the viewer. Hmmm a better way to do it? Kylo tries to taunt Rey about her parentage and she cuts him off "I know exactly who they were. They were deadbeats who abandoned me at the drop of a hat. I just never had the strength to let them go before, but I do now!" But again, Rian had to troll the audience more than make a good film. Although... eh... it kinda feels like JJ didn't setup the mystery right either, but that's an entirely different rant. He wanted Rey's parents to be a big mystery, but didn't make it an important mystery for Rey. Honestly the entire movie was just a giant rush with no room for characters to breath.... again, a fault of JJ's.
I loved the ending of knives out because it infuses all the best things about a mystery together. It keeps the classic reveal monologue of the detective, while also creating a whole lot of suspense. There are hilarious jokes made while keeping you on edge. It's just a perfect ending to a perfect movie.
I decided to see this movie because something about it in the trailers reminded me of the Kingsman movies (which aren't my usual type of movie, but I loved them) and while this turned out not to be the case, I absolutely loved it! It's definitely going to be one of my go to models for writing mysteries when I need some ideas.
When I heard her say "it was Hugh" later, i went "oh for fucks sake" not cause I hated it, just cause the "Hugh You" joke had been made to me sooooo many times, that I went "Why didn't I predict this"
I love this movie so much. My favorite part of the plot twist is that we're introduced to Ransom early on, openly shown that he's an asshole, but he seemingly has only as much motivation as the rest of his family. All of the adults have some secret that Harlan knows that they don't want revealed. All of them reveal themselves to be assholes, but ironically enough, the only reason that Ransom has to kill Harlan is that he was written out of the will. That kind of destroys his so-called motivation, because he still doesn't get anything. He's still out of the will.
I really enjoyed this but a few other moments that popped into my head was when Harlan made a comment about how he felt like Ransom was the closest to how he acted when he was younger, also Harlan's mother saying, "Ransom, you're back already?" or again, I can't remember entirely but she says it to Marta by accident. Also the fun clue of Hugh did it/You did it.
Yo, Luke's father made the empire that killed his family, he romanticized the idea of the Jedi, but they were the corrupted side of the government that let the empire happen (that killed his family). Luke tried to revive the Jedi by training new ones and made Kylo happen. At the beginning of the movie he wants nothing to do with the Jedi and by the end he learns that there can be a new kind of Jedi, starting with Rey (the last Jedi, so far)
The issue isn't that he denounced the saber, it's that he did so with such lack of emotion or care. He acted like it was irrelavent when in reality, that saber symbolized all of the pain he had experienced up until that point and the total loss and destruction the skywalkers caused (both intentionally and unintentionally). The fact of the matter is that should be a moment full of emotion and his choice to let it go should matter. Not be some cheap gag of him throwing it away nonchalantly.
That is what was supposed to be what he learned in 4,5,6.. luke IS the new jedi. So that isnt what should have been what he learns in TLJ. Same thing goes for the part nobody likes, canto bight. This part of the story is to teach finn that the first order is bad, that there is child slavery and kidnapping etc. But Finn IS a kidnapped, slave child soldier who left the first order because it was bad. So yeah just a lot of stuff wasnt looked into deep enough before being put in the script
Great vid, definitely want to see Knives Out now. But, I have to offer a counterpoint to your TLJ points: The revelation about Rey's parentage in TLJ was sublime. I was not "disappointed" in the slightest, in fact it was the best possible answer and it subverted expectations in the best way. Star Wars has always had a bit of an Ubermench Syndrome problem. All it's central force user characters are powerful because they're genetically superior, because their ancestors passed on superior genetic traits that us mere rabble don't possess. It's frustrating that we're supposed to root for people who are oh so special and who deserve worship because they're descended from some special bloodline. That's how feudalism came about. Fuck that shit. By making Rey's parent nobody, Rian effectively said "your bloodline doesn't matter, you can still be amazing, the force is no longer linked to genetics" and that is a far more satisfying and uplifting message than TLJ detractors give it credit for. Do not tell me it was "disappointing". It's also why ROS sucked and why JJ is a shitty storyteller.
Also, let's not forget that the main point of this new trilogy was to "take the Skywalkers off the pedestal" i.e. don't make them the sole center of the galaxy. Then Rey proceeds to identify herself as a Skywalker. Talk about bad subversions...
I finally watched this movie last weekend and went back to watch your video this morning. All great points, and it was in fact a fantastic movie! One little piece of foreshadowing that I found was actually genius, and really thought you would point out is the fake knife thing. I'm going to misquote, but I found it really funny and poetic that earlier in the movie the grandfather mentions something about "people who are too stupid to realize the difference between a real and fake knife". And that I thought was such a better way of making the attack on Martha fail than say the detectives managing to intervene or something. Anyway just my 2 cents. Great video! 2 years later haha
