How To Enjoy MMOs Again | Asmongold Reacts 

I just love the excitement every time he talks about his mom. She really was an amazing mom from what I can tell.

Will never play GW2 then describes the perfect social MMO and GW2 has it all 😂wish he would give it a shot because it is really good but its all good I respect him not wanting to

My grandmother introduced me to Zelda back in 1990. Me and her were literally gaming buddies. 🙏

in BDO i get more fun when i decided to just ignore the events and most of the daily quests and just do whatever i feel like doing each day. what an MMO needs for a good social experience is mechanics that make the existence of other players relevant.

It’s time for something new , honestly these days I don’t enjoy most games in general but I’ve kind of noticed that I’m doing more irl things and it feels like levelling up 😂

Talking to people on the internet was once a new and exciting experience. MMO's came about in this time. I don't know how to put that genie back in the bottle.

"I won't play GW2 because it looks like shit" - Played Classic WoW

Wrath of the Lichking was the peak of dailies. I used to love getting the aircraft dailies. It mixed it up so much and it was a blast.

Highly recommend Guild Wars 1. It's older, but it's more of a cooperative RPG that respects your time. It's almost like an "mmo-lite", but the game is fun at the start and you don't even need to play with other IRL people.

I’m gonna keep it a buck: GW2s painting style graphics aged better than WoWs. WoW fans act like that Disney-Pixar/Fortnite look retail has isn’t lame AF in 2023, and unironically talk about classic like it’s this beautiful game, when that shit looks like N64. Talking shit about how another game looks is the biggest glass of cope on the counter. Those WoW subs be down boys. People don’t connect with Azeroth like that anymore. Meanwhile GW2 is growing. I came back to GW out of curiosity after XIV but have played most everything else out there. The game is beautiful, especially in later zones. If GW2 looks like shit I dunno what that even says about WoW these days. Straight up

30:20 Yeah, I feel you Asmon. As a gw2 player, that's why I never touched WoW; it looks like shit. I guess we agree on the importance of aesthetics.

So basically what I got out of this is to set goals so you don't get burnt out doing pointless things even if it's beneficial to do them. So choose a aspect of the game you like and focus on it. If you like exploring then go off and explore, if you like skilling then go do that, questing? Gotya covered. Just don't get sucked in the usual grind fests like doing dailies.

37:25 Think the problem for some when quitting an MMO are the people they play with and the lack of anything other than that one MMO connecting the internet friendship.

This ol' lady of 55 understands what is meant about tribalism in MMOs and I was one of the worst offenders for literal decades. Coming from EQ then EQ2, WoW was our competition as it launched 2 weeks or so after EQ2. WoW slowly over the years decimated our playerbase as many people drifted to WoW even though we were the Top tier guilds killing World Bosses and server first-ing so much, Raiding around 6 hours a day with 2 time zone guilds with great people, even THAT couldn't keep people from bleeding to WoW. Because of my negative outlook on WoW I played EQ2 for 16 years then left for Aion/Tera/Rift/SWTOR/FFXiV/ESO/GW2 etc after so many bad decisions by SOE for EQ2. Alpha'd/Beta'd (waves to old Betacake site LOL) like crazy over the decades just in search of something that I actually couldn't put my finger on what was so missing from my gaming, but I STILL would NOT play WoW. Playing Lost Ark recently in Bot World forced me to really think about what I missed in my MMOs and why I had not really found an MMO home since EQ2. I finally succumbed to my stupidity in boycotting WoW and have been playing Dragonflight now for around 3 weeks and have been feeling some nostalgia, even in the not so great textures of the older zones I am finding some sort of comfortability. LOL I have yet to create a guild or join one as I am on both a Horde server and an Alliance one, to see where I really want to land, but I am feeling more comfortable in this game than I have in so many years now. It almost feels like Home, and that I never felt even in Aion when I was Asmodian commander for over a year and a half and worked hard every day in that game with my Guild. Hopefully the feeling lasts even though I feel so far behind in WoW and I regret my negative reaction to the game for so long. That said, the MMORPG landscape is THIRSTY for SOMETHING NEW! AoC or Pantheon has been the brass ring for many of us looking for a new game but I am guessing neither of those will hit the spot either, if they ever release. I think the fact WoW has such a large population still, accounts for a better in-game experience than a barren landscape many MMOs suffer these days.

I don't normally comment but this video has me needing to plug a great throwback MMO I don't even currently play, but one gamer to another it hits on every thing video points out. It satisfies that old school itch. Its "Return of the Reckoning" I know I know its a private server, but don't knock it unless you've checked it out.

I respect his opinion on GW2, but it 100% the kinda game he would love

Still kinda surprised Asmond isn't playing GW2. Has he never tried or did he try and not like the start? Edit: ok I arrived at where he comments about GW2. Sounded sort of vague. I guess it's just not a design choice he likes?

How to enjoy MMOs again: turn back time and be a care free teenager again ;)

he says GW2 looks like shit but on multiple occasions asmons mentioned that he doesnt care what a game looks like graphically as long as the game play is good. The hypocrisy. its sad cause GW2 gameplay is some of the best in the genre.

Every time he says 'MMO', punch yourself in throat.

I did this when I came back to Classic WoW when it re-launched in 2019. I decided that instead of my goal being to get to max level then raid for the best gear, instead my goal would be to enjoy the quests and storylines, explore the zones, collect unique quest rewards and so on and so forth, and eventually hitting max level and raiding would just happen naturally once I was at my true endgame. It gave me a totally new experience of WoW which ended up being just as good as it was when I played it for the first time back in 2005. I made sure to explore and finish quests in every zone. I went out of my way to quest in zones I never bothered to quest in before - like Stonetalon Mountains (which as alliance you generally ignore). I read all the quest text. I completed zones I totally ignored back in the day, like Azshara, whose quests I would abandon and then never go back because they wanted me to spend 10 minutes swimming to a little island in the middle of a giant sea, or travel to somewhere in Eastern Kingdoms and then back to Azshara again for some ridiculous reason. I made notes of quests that were too high level, or which I couldn't find a group for, then went back when I could solo them. I felt completely and utterly immersed in Azeroth again just like back in the good old days. I wasn't stressing out to do the same raid again and again and again to get this or that BiS item, I was logging in to chill the fuck out and enjoy a new zone or a big quest chain I had never done before.

Wish he’d give GW2 a chance. If he goes into with an adventure mindset he’d enjoy it. He doesn’t have to stay forever. In fact GW2 is best played as a nine forever game. Theses so much stuff to do if your not hung up on needing to have an endless gear grind.

Can’t disagree more, GW2 has been a more fun experience than any other one I’ve played lately tbh. It looks amazing with tons of thought put into every area, and doesn’t look like a shitty cartoon like WoW

My way to really enjoy mmos is doing the only contents I really like: Exploring. Mmos have awesome world with really cool character progress where story doesnt matter that much. Its perfect for me. I like to find the most interesting class and Explorer the world while Im leveling up my character and enjoying character Progression. At max level I do as much content as possible as a casual so in most mmo regular raids and normal dungeons. When I explored the base content and hamster wheel would start I quit and Move on to the next game. There are enough game to keep me entertained this way for months and often a new content just drops when I finish a game so I play through the new content on casual level.

I've recently got back into Runescape. I'm having a blast. I stopped trying to tryhard and am just taking things at my own pace. getting as far into quests without help as possible, picking skills to train at random, exploring parts of the map I've never really been to before. Playing without caring like I did when I was a child.

Stay off social media lmao

MMOs were peak when all the knowledge wasn't available with youtube or google. Everyone min/maxes now and I do it too but I definitely enjoyed mmos way more back when the internet was still young and you had to go onto the forums and look up guides/builds/ask bad ass players in game what their spec and talents were etc. I guess that's why the beginning of a new mmo is so fun. Can't wait for Ashes but you damn well know its going to be figured out pretty fast within a month or two.

TLDR: Play random new games and be okay with being bad and playing with bad players. Not saying its bad advice. Ignorance is bliss after all.

Not really possible to enjoy MMOs once you've grown older. You can play them to accomplish something, but the satisfaction is shallow and short-lived, and the process is not fun anymore. The genre and concept of playing in a huge world with other people doesn't feel fresh and exciting anymore. Killing the same mobs over and over, overcoming huge adversity, seeing your numbers go up as a result of the time you've invested - it was fun when we were dumb teenagers. But with age, you understand (at least you should) that the time commitment isn't worth it. You realize that you're unable to just immerse yourself in the world, as you're painfully aware that doing so means you fall behind on the content checklist you have to do. You try to listen to people's advice "just play it casually and you'll have fun again", you try doing that but you fail. There's something in your head that's blocking your enjoyment of the game if you don't push the content quickly. And if you do, you become exhausted and burned out. And you slowly realize once again, that it's all not worth the time. Putting 10 hours into raiding just to have a chance at loot casino isn't enticing enough anymore. Even if you get that rare piece of gear, you feel happy for only a short moment. Then you realize you're only one step closer to your goal. And even if you achieved your goal, your happiness will only last for a day or two, before you put the game down until the next update. And then you have to repeat the whole process all over again. And you're reminded once more, that all the time you've put previously is meaningless now. Eventually, you repeat this process with enough MMORPGs, you count all the years you've lost to this genre, and you become painfully aware it's all not worth it. You vow to yourself to never play an MMO ever again. You still have that desire to achieve stuff in MMOs, but you now have enough wisdom to hold yourself back, to prevent yourself from getting trapped once again. Life is painful. You want to relive those great moments you had in MMOs as a teenager, but you're now too old and have a different perspective on life.

MMOs were fun to me when I was in middle school (2005-2008). I have yet to really get back into MMOs since then. I try for a week or two then quit. But I have been wanting to play one with my friends. Not mainly to play just to spend time with friends.

Why no love for GW2? It's such a good game.

Mmo dungeons should have things like the skulls from halo 3. The grunt party skull or can't use a certain weapon. And you find and unlock different things in the over world to change up the dungeons and unlock special titles and stuff.

The reason why playing multiple MMOs does not work is the reason we want to be good and dominate others - we need the best gear, and knowledge about game, and in a result, we do not have time to play multiple MMOs. For single-player games that do not matter because we are alone but in MMOs there are other people and we want to dominate others - that makes us feel good.

How to enjoy MMOs again: Play GW2

It’s called move on to a new game and come back at a later date there is so much to be played

Off topic: I have 600 hours in Elden Ring and still haven't beaten it...

I think the problem is the genre itself. I remember playing Priston Tale (was the famous MMO here in brazil) you were just thrown into the game and you were free to do whatever you wanted (there wasnt much to do, was basically kill monsters to level up) but that was the point, to do what you want. But what do you want? What could they bring to us that is new? We already have dungeons, raids, world bosses, questlines, professions (I hate this ones), etc... this is all PvE content and I think it's time to have a PvP focused endgame content, but not like New World or Albion, something new that make us like to play the game, we are tired to play against the same mechanics in bosses and run to a place were you don't take damage and etc... I think the PvE is important but the PvP is what make people stay. We need a MMO with just 1 mega server, enough of that server bullshit, we need also a MMO where the max level is hard to achieve but as soon as you are next to it you can play the PvP content, a game where craft your gear or drop it is more difficult than a RnG, a game where your new gear doesn't make your character unkillable, just some advantage to not make PvP a MinMax content. Well, just some thoughts about what would make me like MMOs again because the way they are treating MMO with massive dumb quest lines and repetitive content are making me give up on this genre

There hasn't been many big new mmo releases in a long time, we only have had New World (not counting Eastern ports to the west) That is one major release and its already been a year and a half. Compare that to 2011 with RIft and Swtor, 2012 with Guild Wars 2, 2013 had Neverwinter, 2014 had Wildstar, Elder Scrolls Online, and Destiny Nowadays companies wanna chase the feeling of mmo progression without actually developing the ambitious scope of an mmo.

I'm not a gw2 Andy but how you gonna say it looks bad when it looks better than wow has better graphics and art easily lol.

The problem is not the game. But its us. We are getting old

My favorite recent example of the new adventure and figuring things out people didn't know, new world tanking gems. I remember being a tank and every group said they didn't need one because a full dps group is the same because tanks couldn't hold aggro. No tanks knew that you needed a gem to taunt.

Ever since I unlocked the secret of getting up or playing a different game for a little while, I've began enjoying mmos again. No life them for a bit, then take a break. I promise there are other good games out there. Get into a nice story game, or try out a fighting game. Something you can invest in for a little while. I know it's blasphemous but you can also take a bike ride around the neighborhood. It's good for you. And if you've got a book or a podcast or an asmongold video just put in some earbuds. EZ.

My mom wasn't the one who would let me stay up all night, but she was definitely the one who was there to take my picture when I 1 shot Mega Man 3 so she could send it in to Nintendo Power for me.... a great balance

One thing I agree with that most MMOs suffer is unlocks during progression to show prestige

The irony in hearing Zach saying he'll never play GW2 because it looks like shit when he still plays WoW is hilarious.

When you need a whole guide to enjoy something, its probably not the thing for you anymore

Great perspective. Over the years I’ve been in the genre I’ve dialed things back to maybe 1 or 2 MMOs I play at a given time, and I just rotate those out now and then. Mix in some single player gaming and I’m managing to still have a good time all around

He brings up a good point, but i have always been a variety Gamer and MMO player. MapleStory, Endless Online, Runescape, Trickster online, Wow, Ragnarok, Destiny (i know but im adding it). Even with trying new MMO's these new MMO's due to Monetization they usually lose focus on what a Good MMO game is. I am not saying Monetization and MT are what ruins a game, I played Maple Story the father of Micro Transaction, But it still had a large amount of non pay to win content you can grind for. The point that f2p and P2W player meets a bit too soon and that hamster wheel feeling come a bit too early, this was never the case in past games, because developers focus on the start and not the end game, because those players at the end game are not the target pay big, since they are the ones who spend their time and not their money, so once again i say this is why Monetization ruins MMO's because the focus of what makes a good MMO get's lost in the sauce.

i've never getting bored of mmos, been playing mmo since 2005/2006 trying out new mmos ( new mmos or old mmos ), i know almost all of the mmo on this video. that's how i avoid mmo burnout.

I think for me, the most important thing is to not min/max everything. Don't look up what the best class is in a game, don't find out what the optimal skill tree is. You like that one skill that makes your attacks explode? Do it.

Doombreed getting Ashes of Alar on our first and only kill was the most legendary moment of our lives. His dad has passed away the week prior, we had been working on KT, and it was the last week before you no longer needed it for BT. The guild wanted it down but everyone was understanding if Doombreed didn't raid. But he did, and once we moved Chocolock away from tanking the warlock, and let Heaffen take over, the kill came quickly. Seeing the mount drop, there was no guild drama, we all agreed, Doombreed got it.

Back in the days, there was just more time to waste and you could afford being carefree and nolife on mmo's. Also those games were new. Now it's not enjoyable anymore because you already accomplished everything you wanted to do in another similar game

To me, every MMORPG out there is complete garbage atm. I'm only enjoying GW2 for collecting stuff and WoW occasionally for arena, but the latter is too frustrating at this point. What's important to me is balance. Seems none of these companies know how to balance any game at all and every single dev there should be fkn fired.

Asmon, I just did a stream of raid shadow legends the other day. Lmao. I talked crap about it the whole time, and how confusing the currencies were. But I still whaled 1500$ on it LMAO. Cheers. 💩

5:50 when I find myself doing that is when I quit. If the game has scheduled content with small windows of time, I quit. If I have to make alarms on my phone to tell me to login for something, it is no longer a game, that's a job and I am out.

Im always remember my mom when asmon tell story about his mom . I hope she live a long healthy live

This is why classic wow is sick. No hamster wheel, no dailies. Just raiding with the boys every week and having fun.

You don't. You turn off the PC and start making a life for yourself because there is no going back once you realize what you've been missing and how pointless and draining MMOs truly are.

Gosh i‘ve quitted Wow in Shadowlands and just listening to this makes me feel exhausted

Btw, what’s with guild leaders always leaving their guild minutes before a raid? It feels like every time this has happened to me it’s been as we were forming for raid and always “I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and I’m done” and it’s like dude we have 1 day left in our lockout you couldn’t have said this on Tuesday?

kekw beating sunwell in tbc... let me tell you what i did in tbc. back in the day ma and a frind found out there is more than warcraft 3, yes its calles world of warcraft. man, it was so fun to run around explore the world, meet other players, run acros the whole as a ghost. i remember one time, when a quest was bugged and it showed me to complete the quest in darnassus.... as a tauren druid.... i didnt even know what darnassus is. at this time we were in thousand needles and had no idea how to get there. so we went to feralas, died and run as a ghost from feralas to darnassus. it was amazing xD

Take me back to the runescape days, early 2000's. Waking up at 6am on a Saturday sitting in Ventrilo/Teamspeak as your friends log in one at a time, just to play the day away.

Leaving your computer on is good for lifetime of computer. Every time you power off and on it is very hard on electrical components. Better to sit on in sleep mode than power down.

Dailies are okay for games if you complete them by just playing the game not going out of your way to do some kind of quest

Definitelly agree on change your genre if you can't find fun. At least for the moment. I had a WoW break after playing from end WOTLK -> Start WoD. I played so much and patches were confusing and bugging me and we had internal issues in the guild and i stoped WoW. I tried other MMOs but couldn't get to it. So i made an MMO break, just playing mmos occasionaly. Got into Esports games and singleplayer, here and there maybe a short period MMO with some friends. Now when i got invited to the Shadowlands Alpha i came back to the game. I was super excited, everything was new and cool and OMG the areas. I made a new class i've never played before (Fury Warrior at that time) and just started exploring the alpha realm. And i got my joy back in an instant. After skipping WoD, Legion and BfA ENTIRELY (except for gamescom testing BfA). Unfortunatelly now i am sad i skiped it cuz man that content was FIRE. And now i am in the same spot. I played so much Season 1 and grinded so much M+, grinding gear here, get into the meta, get fully equiped, learn my class as much as i can, that i started to become more inactive during the week (also due to work) so i basically dont play WoW atm, only logging in sometimes, mostly on saturdays to do the Raid (assist the lower Raid roster as Tank) and log back out after a Transmog farm after the Raid. Playing Elite Dangerous now and some minor other things. Checking some good old RPGs like Gothic. Just to recharge my battery, getting maximum hype for upcoming season 2.

asmon wont play gw2 because it looks ass but he played ff14, shits looks like its 30 years old

I play mmos like a total newbi on purpose and don’t care what others think 🤔. I stop caring about loot, quest everything. I just do whatever I want with no expectations.

I lost hope for gaming back in 2012/2013, been cycling through old games ever since and modding communities have kept most of them alive for all these years. Then out of the blue came Stable Diffusion and now I'm hooked into that and haven't played a game for months, and it feels good not having to be frustrated... Gaming is dead to me, and I ain't wasting hope pretending it's gonna be good again.

imagine shutting your pc down instead of just putting it in sleep mode

Lineage 2 was my goat. I played sooooo much. I also met my wife there, 2004, started dating in 2006. Now celebrating our 13th anniversary on Sunday ❤️. Good times , but I never ever wanted to play a game so badly before or after. I guess we all get that one game.

Having fun depends on what you like. Identify what's fun for you and do that. Simple. If you like min-maxing and chasing BIS builds, go for it.

That hamster wheel metaphor is the best way to describe what kills my enjoyment of a game the most. I have played hundreds of games where the dopamine of doing a dumb 5-minute activity every day would hook me for months. I played Genshin from the second day of release up until a week after Chasm was released, I was full cock and balls into that game, 100% on all the regions, all the characters I could get my hands on at level 80 or 90, coming every single day for a mere 60 primogems daily. Was the hardest I was ever hooked on a daily system and I have no clue why it felt better than the other games. I also played Azur Lane, AFK Arena, games like Clash of Clans that get me to open it daily to collect afk resources, or games that have a chest system that unlock after a certain number of hours, games like Warframe that are an endless grind (that dumbass Mastery Rank pushed me into 3k hours on that game and now to progress it further I have to play the content I don't enjoy). What the hell makes these game's dailies be so satisfying but then when I miss a daily in others I don't give a shit (League has a daily, nobody cares at all about it, some don't even mind it's existence). Probably the fear of falling behind, maybe the sunk-cost fallacy comes into play, but adding a daily into a game makes it an instant hook with the risk of burnoff players never coming back...

#1 tip to enjoy MMO's again: Stop looking everything up. Don't follow a guide, don't look up recommendations, don't search up the meta. Just play and explore, actually pay attention to the content you're going through. The fastest way to ruin a game for yourself is by learning everything about it.

I never got bored of them, the problem is that there just aren't any "true" MMOs aside from Eve Online and Runescape but I'm not really a fan of the space theme and Runescape is somewhat outdated. MMOs where you can choose your own adventures, kill other players and take their stuff, start up your own business etc. are always fun, I mean would be if a modern one existed but sadly the current ones just devolve into linear boring grindfests where the devs guide you with dailies and limit your options.

What made me enjoy MMOs again, is not comparing myself to other players. Back then I allways wanted to be in the top % of players. But who gives a shit about that, it is just burning you out in the long term

My favorite MMO currently is Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis. No over the top grinding, classes and combat are so fluid, hilarious community, Plenty of guilds, Symbol Arts aka Memes, cosplaying, and it’s the best Waifu creator ever! I have yet to find a character creator that top this. Story is pretty good and since it’s open world the map is giant made of 4 regions! And end game is fashion lmao. Definitely worth a try since it’s free.

ASMON needs to do a video watching all the SWTOR cinematics

Funny thing is Neverwinter Nights had the solution to preventing burnout by allowing the community to build their own worlds and then letting the fans be the Dungeon Masters that control the adventure which throws new experiences into the eventual boring content that inevitably comes for other games. Unfortunately, it didn't solve the path for the game creator to get financial compensation for the freedom they allowed players by doing this.

26:59 of course Asmon defends the Meta. lol Nah, i prefer figuring stuff out on my own. I'd stop playing altogether if i had to look up everything in advance. Different mindset I suppose.

Maybe Everquest ruined me on raiding . The leveling experience and grouping seems much more enjoyable than raiding. Hard-core WoW is very tempting. If they actually make a server that locks out dead characters, I will be trying it.

Pretty bold of him to say gw2 looks like shit while he plays wow 😂

Big troo on the "play an mmo that isn't a clone of your current mmo". I've been playing Horizon XI server for FFXI and it's been a huge blast.

How bout an MMO that isn't in beta for a year and feels incomplete and shallow

I love mmos but hate playing with other people

Honestly, in terms of completion the vid isn't wrong. I earned Mimi's head and Invincible in Wrath, and for the most part, never really cared about getting any other mount, or even using any after that. Dragonriding has helped, but honestly, all of them boil down to "My character sitting on a new thing in the same way they did since vanilla." FFXIV has the mount collecting game too, but at least it has very unique ways your character interacts with them, so it actually helps me not feel bored with actually getting them.

Dude made a video projecting his burn out on others lol

lol call of dragons talking point: you can scroll in and out this huge seamless map.... WOW scrolling, what a breakthrough in the mobile gaming, never saw that coming.

20:05 I remember a few years ago I logged back into Rift and everyone on my friends list were just random characters and numbers because of server migration. It was pretty sad to see.

I had much more fun playing Diablo 2 after being in a WoW guild, because I was the guild tank, so I would run 5 man dungeons over and over and it got me into the I could farm bosses mindset.

I think weekly's are better than daily's

Take me back to 30fps gaming. We never needed to go higher.

Fuck genshin, i wanna see asmon play nikke now.

thats why Ragnarok never been bored to me i just hop from this sv to that sv

"People are at work doing something they don't wanna do, then they go home and play a game they don't wanna play. WHY?" First, bills. Second, addiction.

Y'all remember when hopping on a vent server with a soundboard was legitimately hilarious? 🤣 Those kids cracked me up.

"Min max the fun right out of the game" that has been my opinion of wow for the majority of its time.

13:00 Nikke actually has a good story and nice voice acting, and co-op events. I'd watch a playthrough reaction of that one. The crossover event of Chainsaw Man was interesting. Spoiler Ex Chatterbox.

Waiting on the new Riot League of Legends MMO to start playing them again

To me most mmos are to easy not in the content but on death. EQ had big penalties for dieing but its felt like in every mmo(expect eve online) that death just didnt matter and when death doesnt matter it becomes kind of meh as a whole.

It's not about the game we play, it's about the friends we make along the way :)