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How to fix lifting binding on a Martin acoustic guitar. 

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Martin Acoustics are very well known of having issues with binding that will lift or separate from the body. There are many ways to do this job and how much lift is very much dependent of repair procedure. In any case, here is how I go about binding repair.
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@theCROSSwitness
@theCROSSwitness 4 месяца назад
I wanted to say thank you for sharing this video. I learned how to fix the binding on my Martin acoustic by watching this. I just repaired it and so far, so good. Thanks again bro, Jimmy F.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 4 месяца назад
Thank you so much for watching. I'm glad it helped.
@michaellaverty1844
@michaellaverty1844 Год назад
Well done, I have 3 Martins and all 3 have had binding issues.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thanks! Hopefully, they are good now.
@theo9952
@theo9952 6 месяцев назад
Same as the Guilds - the US made ones at least.
@susanroycroft89
@susanroycroft89 5 месяцев назад
That's terrible for a Company like Martin, my 2 are still OK but their Always back in their case after playing, every 2 weeks I let them sit on a bed to 'breath' for 2 or 3 hours, then back in the case, never had any problems 😊😊😊
@joq702
@joq702 10 месяцев назад
Great work. A tip that I have used for decades on taping sensitive painted areas. 1. On one end fold over a few tape pieces you use at the very as you are applying to the edge binding. You do not need to do all, just one or two at the start. 2. Put each subsequent piece overlapped over the first two pieces that have the lead flaps, overlapped maybe an 1/8”, so that when it comes time to peel off all the tape it will automatically be adhered to the first one or two starter pieces. 3. Most important, to me at least, pull at an angle, and not perpendicular to the binding. The lift of your pull does not need to be aggressive. In other words do not pull straight up, use a soft angle.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for that! It makes so much sense. I have more in shop so I will try that on the next one.
@RustyShackleford10000
@RustyShackleford10000 4 месяца назад
It's so crazy that Martin put out so many guitars with this issue. It's happening on my D18..
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 4 месяца назад
Yeah, it's certainly a common thing.
@isobarkley
@isobarkley 3 месяца назад
thanks for the video! frankly ridiculous that this is a problem on such a nice guitar!!!
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 3 месяца назад
Thank you and I fully agree.
@brunomillalaf8553
@brunomillalaf8553 6 месяцев назад
Embarrassing for a company as big as Martin to let this happen still.
@dannyprasetya2496
@dannyprasetya2496 2 месяца назад
I believe the man already explained that the issue here is about humidity and temperature. As far as I understand, it can really affect your guitar. Action going up or down, crack on the soundboard or the back, glue failure, bracing comes loose, bridge lifting out, fret sprout etc. Either collings, froggy bottom, yamaha, taylor or gibson, they all will behave under improper humidity. Hope it helps.
@MarkUrbanski
@MarkUrbanski 4 месяца назад
I have a d28 authentic 1937 aged that the exact same thing happened on. Martin refused the warranty service on it as they said it was due to high humidity. Your video stated that it was usually due to low humidity. I find that kind of ironic. I'm going to try to use your technique to fix it myself. Wish me luck and thank you for the video.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 4 месяца назад
Hope it worked! A lot of martin repair shops have stopped accepting this repair. It's a common one.
@Nightfalcon690
@Nightfalcon690 Год назад
Thank you for the video. Just discovered both bottom bindings have given way on my D16. Was little freaked out by it initially but your video stilled my beating heart. Thanks again! :-)
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
My pleasure, thanks for watching! Any sort of damage is difficult to accept, but binding is a fairly straightforward job, so breathe easy.
@Mikielike
@Mikielike 6 дней назад
This happened on HD28 retro 2014 it was the top below the pick guard, I sent it to Martin through the closest authorized dealer (2 hours there 2 hours back 2xs) he charged me on one way ship then Martin charged me polish + 3 frett replacement with my permission, guitar was flawless always inside my home with proper humidity, Martin had my guitar 8 months and total $300 now my lower binding is doing the exact same thing so I will be doing the repair because I don't want Martin to have my guitar with 8 hours driving and 8 months later. I know that it was a long story but I wanted to share this with others. I love my guitar it's an incredible instrument, but I feel Martin should fix this issue, I've heard from other forums that this is very common and it shouldn't be. The long time owner of the authorized Martin dealer told me he's never seen this before and that I must be mistreating my beautiful guitar (NOT) I am the only one who touches the guitar I play almost everyday and have other guitars to play in public or if visiting friends and family. Thank you so much for this great teaching video btw the focus was fine the information was solid Gold 8
@robertgardner7493
@robertgardner7493 Месяц назад
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I HAVE TEO MARTIN GUITARS AND ONE IS IN NEED OF REPAIR SO THANK YOU .
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Месяц назад
Thanks for watching. Hope it helps!
@dukeofearl4117
@dukeofearl4117 Год назад
My Martin had the same issue. I used the same process and it turned out very nice.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Awesome! Yeah it's quite common
@5stringpickin
@5stringpickin 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for this video! I too was freaked out when i saw my binding was loose but you put my mind at ease. Should be a simple enough fix. Thanks again!
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
You are welcome! Thanks for watching. It is a pretty straight forward repair. Hope you can get it sorted.
@ansman1
@ansman1 8 месяцев назад
Had this issue on a 1961 D-28.Both top bindings and one side of the back had popped loose. The problem is shrinkage. The answer is more length of binding. Talked to several repair guys I knew, and they recommended removing the binding all the way to the neck joint, and then attempt to pull out the extra inch or so of binding that is under the neck joint. When I asked them how to loosen it, they only said to try and slide a feeler gauge under the binding to break the glue bond. To remove the binding up to the neck, I used a razor blade to cut through the lacquer both on the top and the sides to avoid chipping the lacquer. It was fairly easy at that point to remove the binding up to the neck.On the first side i got lucky and was able to slide the binding out without too much trouble. On the other side of the neck horn, it would not come loose. I remembered reading that Martin had used Duco Cement, or airplane glue for years to fasten the bindings. This guitar had suffered some poor care, and that is the only reason it had this issue. Duco Cement really worked, as I was discovering on the side of the neck where the binding would not come out. Duco Cement is basically thickened lacquer, so I decided that the best way to loosen it would be lacquer thinner. The trick was how to place lacquer thinner only behind the binding, and only a few very controlled drops. I used a short piece of vinyl tubing, which does not react with lacquer thinner, and screwed a hypodermic needle into the end of the tubing. With a little practice, it was easy to hold my finger on the end of the tube, and release it ever so slightly, to get a one drop at a time flow of lacquer thinner. If I ever do this again, I will purchase a glass syringe, as that would be easier to manipulate. I positioned the needle right behind the binding where it disappeared behind the neck horn. Two drops and it slid right out. Now I had the extra length I needed. Two comments here, one, I was advised not to scrape the wood fibers of the back of the binding, because that would give the hide glue something to grab. Also, I knew that if I heated up plastic to stretch it, and then forced it into place, it would only be a matter of time until nature took its course and the binding shrunk back to its original length. The repair would be under tension from the time it was done, until that tension could finally be released, recreating the problem. That is why I did the extra work to get the extra length, so the binding could be glued back in a relaxed state, without tension. That chunk you had to replace is the natural result of the material returning to its original size. Also, running a heat gun over a lacquer finish can melt the lacquer or scorch it. I used the same binding tape to glue them back into place. I would recommend cutting a form that matches the curve at the waist, and then clamping that over the tape. to make sure the binding goes all the way into the curve. The outside bends were fine with just the tape. Afterwards, I removed the tape, and cleaned up the squeeze out. I used an artist brush with some thinned brushing lacquer to touch up the razor cuts and seal the joints.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 6 месяцев назад
That is an incredibly thorough approach. If it were my guitar, I would probably do the same.
@bandicoot5412
@bandicoot5412 8 месяцев назад
Thank you, just found this on the bottom of my custom Martin cut away, not too bad say three inches. Always keep a humidifier in the case but the temp varies and the humididtThank you, just found this on the bottom of my custom Martin cut away, not too bad say three inches. Always keep a humidifier in the case but the temp varies and the humididt
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 8 месяцев назад
Yeah it seems to just happen as much as one tries to avoid it. Pretty wild.
@UCGuitar
@UCGuitar Год назад
I'm a repair man in South Korea also struggling with tons of this kind of issue. At least over 50 Martin guitars during last winter I guess. Good to know that I solve the problem in almost the same way.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Great minds. Glad you are having success with them also.
@startreker8591
@startreker8591 Год назад
What kind of tape was he using (brand wise?)
@Mikielike
@Mikielike 6 дней назад
I have also subscribed to your channel Strumwood, thank you so much 🎉
@MaDaMamut
@MaDaMamut 10 месяцев назад
But after cooling the plastic will shrink again and the binding will get loose in several weeks again, no? So it happened to my Martin 000-28 E.C. - Martin service repaired it, but some month later I can see first gaps again. A D-42 is an even more expensive guitar and I'm really shocked that ist issue is "a common issue" for a guitar more than 5.000 bugs! Looks like Martin is very poor quality on this😞 Why they use plastics and not wood bindings?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
In my experience, It shouldn't lift in the area repaired. Of course, technically it could if not careful. I have also seen other parts of the binding lift after.
@jimmyfranklin3862
@jimmyfranklin3862 5 месяцев назад
I have a 2005 D-42 that a small section it the binding is starting to lift. This was very helpful. Thanks.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 5 месяцев назад
Oh no, but im glad it helped. Thanks for watching.
@alexwoolridge94aw
@alexwoolridge94aw Год назад
Just noticed the back binding on my HD28 Custom Shop is staring to separate on the back. Fun fun. Great video.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
I honestly don't understand the regularity of the issue. Thanks so much for watching. Hope you get it sorted.
@alexwoolridge94aw
@alexwoolridge94aw Год назад
@strumwoodguitars thanks. It's going to a luthier this week to get fixed
@utahprepper8925
@utahprepper8925 7 месяцев назад
This isn't a humidity or temperature issue. It's a Martin management issue. "Environmentally Friendly Glue" doesn't work - it causes the binding to shrink and come unglued. I've seen 75 year-old Martins without this issue. My 2016 Custom Shop OM has the back binding coming off. Collings guitars don't have this issue but then again they aren't run by lawyers and bean counters.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 6 месяцев назад
I think it's somewhere in the middle. Not every single guitar (Martin) will have this issue, but a good portion will.
@gam1471
@gam1471 4 месяца назад
I've long suspected that Martin is using some sort of 'ecocrap' glue and maybe plastic - but the company isn't going to admit it, of course. I had a 2016 D-18 where the binding came adrift. After regluing I sold it, and I have to say that it's put me off buying another Martin.
@utahprepper8925
@utahprepper8925 4 месяца назад
@@gam1471 For my next acoustic guitar I'm upgrading to another Collings. I had one and like a fool sold it.
@DougShanahanMusic
@DougShanahanMusic Год назад
I have a 2015 Martin 000-18. I noticed just the other day that this is happening at the waist at all 4 sides, front and back. I would guess it has something to do with the build. I have about a dozen other acoustics, all stored in the same room, in their cases, and in a humidified room. This is the only guitar that had an issue, and given that it happens to all 4 edges makes me think it's the materials used or the construction. I saw another video showing a binding repair and that guy suggested Titebond isn't a good choice for plastic to wood since it's strictly a wood glue. It seems your experience suggests otherwise.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
It's incredibly common. It's the materials used with Martin's it seems. You are certainly doing the best thing by having the guitars in case, in a humidified room. As far as the glue, I have had no issues with the repair coming undone. I've tried canopy glue, super glue, acetone, etc and I just personally like working with titebond. Easy, cleans up well and great results. It's certainly not the only way.
@alanstclair8040
@alanstclair8040 9 месяцев назад
Is fish glue a suitable adhesive for this repair?
@vincentlussier8264
@vincentlussier8264 6 месяцев назад
This shouldn't happen to a Martin at all for their price. Even though they're not bench made anymore their quality should still be there!
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I agree.
@riccardov90
@riccardov90 Год назад
It is absolutely ridiculous that Martin hasn't addressed this issue yet. I have never seen Guild, Yamaha, Taylor, or even Gibson acoustics with such an issue. It looks like all Martins made in the last decade with plastic binding will eventually experience this. You'd have to purchase a prohibitively expensive Modern Deluxe series to avoid this issue, as wood binding is used for such guitars. Any idea if Martin resolved this issue? Are you seeing Martins made in the last two years with this issue as well? Great repair, by the way!
@christopherschmitt9924
@christopherschmitt9924 Год назад
I have a 2021 martin with same issues and I am now working on restoring a near mint gibson 1954 ES-125 I could use some guidance and suggestions on what glue I should use anyone interested in helping me out please let me know the back and front of the guitar are off and along with the single piece of binding it's all perfect in my view the kefering and no cracks basically need to glue the whole thing back together but still would like someone to help me figure out cheap methods to clamp it and secure it. I don't have many tools. Unfortunately, anyone out there, please let me know if you're interested. I'll send you pictures
@startreker8591
@startreker8591 Год назад
I got Guild (USA made some 30 years now)that had this issue…I had to redo (the tape that I used messed up the finish so…😂)
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thank you! I actually have seen some older Gibsons with the issue. I've also seen recent martins suggesting nothing has changed.
@fernandocesar2389
@fernandocesar2389 11 месяцев назад
You said it all!
@rogeliobaldo2132
@rogeliobaldo2132 23 дня назад
What is the brand name of the glue
@mrkingcat2
@mrkingcat2 6 месяцев назад
This has repeatedly happened to my 000 Martin guitar...ive taken it to the warranty shop. They repaired it a couple times but they don't want to do it again so I think I'll do it myself. I was thinking of pulling all the binding off the body and adding a maple wood binding. What are you thoughts?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 6 месяцев назад
Well, that's a shame. It's a big job to do a rebinding. Removing, shaping, thickness sanding, some sort of finish work. It certainly has its advantages, though. If you are ok with all of that then I would say go for it.
@NUp-rl3bz
@NUp-rl3bz 2 месяца назад
Dude you're amazing I'm a guitar dinging son of a gun I went ahead and subscribed LOL thanks from tx
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 2 месяца назад
Haha, thanks. Hope it helps your dinging removals. If desired.
@keithskelton5596
@keithskelton5596 Год назад
Thanks for posting My 00028 has the same issues I was afraid to expedite A repair Until I watched your video 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾✌🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Awesome! Thanks. Hope it worked!
@MOHANMSHARMA
@MOHANMSHARMA Год назад
A high price guitar and being a industry pioneer, such kind of issues are not acceptable and these issues are now more visible as i seen many vedios. Martin should look into.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
True, but then I also need the work. 😄
@MOHANMSHARMA
@MOHANMSHARMA Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars true
@jimdoner3443
@jimdoner3443 Год назад
Allowing the humidity levels to drop to far is what causes this issue , not Martins build
@UCGuitar
@UCGuitar Год назад
I could'nt agree more, but Martin was already aware of that issue when I visited the factory 2013. But still.
@jimdoner3443
@jimdoner3443 Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars and thank the lord for it
@masonr9399
@masonr9399 Год назад
Have you ever pulled off the binding tape on one of these jobs and there was a chemical reaction between the tape and lacquer? It's happened to me a few times and it's steered me away from approaching it this way, which sucks because this is definitely the least time consuming way to go about it. Maybe I got an extra funky batch of binding tape? But the extra hours of unpaid finish work has left me scarred for life.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
I haven't had that issue. Thankfully. I would not go this approach on a vintage instrument where the lacquer is clearly in a flaked fragile state. That would cause a reaction. Which makes the extra unpaid finish work even harder to swallow.
@merseybeat1963
@merseybeat1963 5 месяцев назад
Pretty guitar. I had a D42 Custom Shop I ordered in 2004. It was the prettiest Martin for sure.. as in addition to the good looks of a standard D42 I ordered it with my details: Slight V neck..select most figured Madagascar Rosewood Body..tightest grain Adirondack top and Abalone on the actual face edge of the fingerboard and headstock which I had seen in a Custom Shop catalog in the early 1990's but never on a live guitar.. So there is one really nice looking D42 Custom out there. For me it flopped.. as I asked for.."the most responsive bracing"..but regular scalloped bracing was used. That together with that tight grained Adirondack was not as lively as I would have liked. If I would do it again right now I would order everything the same but with Authentic Bracing and construction but with Super glue on plastic bindings and instead of D42 it would be an old 1930's style 0042 with short scale neck. I sold that and used the $ to get a Lowden 050 Sitka/Koa the type two (more inlay but still plain) and a painting. Right now I have a Martin D28A Authentic 1941(2013) which is really responsive with a similar neck to the Custom but it's at the factory with this binding issue. : )
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 5 месяцев назад
It is very pretty, yes. Wouldn't complain if it was mine. Too bad on your custom. They are gorgeous. Hope everything is back to normal for you when it comes back.
@liamguitars
@liamguitars Год назад
Doing this today!You rock! Liked and subscribed :)
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thanks! Good luck.
@walterwhiting9970
@walterwhiting9970 Год назад
Every Martin I own has this problem, no other guitars out of 32 acoustics. 😮
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
I don't really understand why that is.
@zapa1pnt
@zapa1pnt Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars: I believe it is due to the use of liquid (chemical) polishes. I hold the same to be true for shrinking pick guards.
@theo9952
@theo9952 6 месяцев назад
Ι don't have a Martin but I have a Guild JF-55 with a similar problem - the binding on top as well as that of the neck started cracking with bits falling off just a couple of years after i bought it brand new. I kept gluing it back and seems to be stabilized after 25 years since the problem appeared, although i didn't do the neatest job. It is funny that this issue does not appear on cheaper guitars with laminate back and sides, of which I had several in the past and i still have two of them.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 6 месяцев назад
True. Those guitars are a laminate, but the real hero of durability is the polyurethane finish. It sort of seals the guitar together. They generally don't get humidity cracks either.
@jeffshull
@jeffshull 9 месяцев назад
I sold my 3 Martins and landed on Taylor guitars. It's discouraging that the Martin guitar Co. has allowed this to be an issue.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
True. It's been an issue for many years. Enjoy your new guitars!
@SPOGGETT
@SPOGGETT 3 месяца назад
what kind of glue are you using? could you add a Tools list to the description? incredible video, thank you so muhc!!!!! :D
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 2 месяца назад
Thanks so much for watching. The glue I used in this is titebond original. It's the red label.
@jeffsquires6620
@jeffsquires6620 Год назад
Just repaired my d35. Moved from a hot and humid environment to a cooler dryer one. Took 2 years for my guitars to transition. All is good.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Well, that's good. I always recommend stable and consistent (whatever that may be) temperature. The guitars will shift as they need to and after being setup, should stay in that state.
@federicoines1848
@federicoines1848 Год назад
The Modern Deluxe Martin they used wood binding now maple
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Less movement and it also looks awesome!
@adamantvermont
@adamantvermont 6 месяцев назад
amd then it happens again next year or the year after. ugh
@joeyoungs8426
@joeyoungs8426 11 месяцев назад
I’ve never had this issue with any of my acoustics. But none of them are made by Martin. First rate repair by the way.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 11 месяцев назад
It oddly seems to be that way. Thanks for the kind words.
@yourtubisfilled7164
@yourtubisfilled7164 9 месяцев назад
Nice video. The thumbnail should have shown a reciprocating saw though.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 8 месяцев назад
Would have indicated my feelings. Haha
@rwr2643
@rwr2643 Год назад
The martin so called repair person in my area, made sure he sanded off a little finish on the back side of the guitar while fixing the binding thank god its just a d 41 and not a nice guitar like a mitchell guitar ,Maybe the martin repair guys should watch your video, My dad is old school .if you can't do it right don't do it at all. The problem with most people now a days nobody can do anything right .
@stephenwalsh2634
@stephenwalsh2634 8 месяцев назад
"Thank God it's just a D-41" What an imbicilic comment. Thank God it was made by an idiot!
@user-yl2ku2pg8l
@user-yl2ku2pg8l Год назад
I can repair the glue on the Martin edge strips without damage, especially those old pianos with a certain year of paint that are relatively fragile. As long as you sand off anything, it has damaged a lot
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Awesome. Removing old finish is key.
@ryanbloom1738
@ryanbloom1738 Год назад
I sold my Martin and bought a Blueridge br280 if it's not this then it's the neck angle. I'm done with martin saving up for a Gallagher or Huss and Dalton.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Well, this could happen to any guitar model, but those are beautiful guitars at the finish line!
@ryanbloom1738
@ryanbloom1738 Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars dude my Blueridge would smoke most Martins.
@drummerboy1390
@drummerboy1390 Год назад
@@ryanbloom1738Then you woke up….
@seesaw7289
@seesaw7289 Год назад
I thought titebond ll was a wood glue!? If so, how long will it stick to the plastic binding? Thx. I find few glues stick to plastic for long as did Martin, Gibson and Guild obviously.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
It is branded as a wood glue. It's actually a polyurethane which allows for bonding of many materials other than wood. Metals, ceramics, and some plastics. Works well.
@mrfuzztone
@mrfuzztone 9 месяцев назад
I have two 2014 Martin guitars that I just noticed have the issue. A custom shop 0-45 and OM-45. A surprise given the prices of the guitars. Good video. I think I may need to first test tape to make sure it won't cause an issue with the finish. Guess I need to get a heat gun. Any idea how hot the gun has to be? Would a hair dryer work?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
It is common for sure. I'm not certain the temperature but a hair dryer will work as will any heat gun. Biggest thing is to keep it moving. If you hold the heat source in one spot for too long, it can melt the binding and also potentially cause cracks in the body.
@merseybeat1963
@merseybeat1963 5 месяцев назад
@@strumwoodguitars Will the heated stretched binding want to preshrink ?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 5 месяцев назад
@@merseybeat1963 It won't necessarily pre-shrink but it won't want to move. The heat really just makes it pliable. Or to what I heat it to. I guess if it was too hot it would certainly shrink.
@DesertRat332
@DesertRat332 Год назад
Bottom back binding on my HD-28V is separating after 6 years. I am the original owner so I assume it is covered by Martin's warranty. Still a great guitar.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
They are certainly great guitars. And the binding is cosmetic for the most part. Hope they do cover it for you.
@DesertRat332
@DesertRat332 11 месяцев назад
@@strumwoodguitars Got it fixed in Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Since I was the original owner it was fixed at no charge. 😁
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 11 месяцев назад
@@DesertRat332 That is awesome. Glad to hear that!
@drcrankenstein
@drcrankenstein 21 день назад
So the part where the binding split and you cut a square to fill a gap...is that the only way to do that? I was wondering if it's possible to heat the binding on both sides and stretch it so both sides meet up. Or is that ill-advised? Thanks!
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 10 дней назад
I mean you could do that, but I don't want to upset the binding more than I have to. It also depends on how large the gap is as well. Even warm, it's not going to stretch out too far.
@miketuttle9319
@miketuttle9319 Год назад
My 2017 D18 just started having this problem, back binding at the lower curve, about 2 inches so far. I'm gonna leave it alone for now and hope it doesn't get (much) worse. At least I got it used for under 2k. But seriously, how can this be a problem for a high end manufacturer?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Good deal or not, I do agree that it is odd that it is such a common issue with Martins. Hope it holds for you.
@DesertRat332
@DesertRat332 Год назад
Yup, same thing on my 2017 (mfg 2015) HD-28V. I paid 4k for it and would buy it again. But I agree that Martins shouldn't do this. I have a Yamaha FG-110 that I bought back in 1975. I lived in the Mojave desert for years and didn't even bother to humidify it. No cracks, no binding issues.
@fernandocesar2389
@fernandocesar2389 11 месяцев назад
Same with my D-35 2011! I have a 2003 Yamaha DW7 with no kind of issues so far!
@localguy8
@localguy8 Год назад
Wish I had seen this first , I had my buddy fix my D 35
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Hope that it went well!
@chriss2452
@chriss2452 Год назад
I would have liked to see the actual patch
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Yeah, I forgot to record it. I'll do some more binding work.
@MrHenning777
@MrHenning777 2 месяца назад
So it may have been answered in a previous comment but when noticing the very start of that, what would you or most recommend to keep it from getting worse out side of climate control. But by no means that bad as in the video. But being it literally just started hoping i can find something to keep from getting worse
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 2 месяца назад
What often happens is that a small piece comes loose and lifts off. Then your shirt catches it or in and out of the case just starts to pull it off. It actually comes apart quite easily. So my answer to that is just be careful to not pull it. Without repairing it, I've also seen the area under tape which is A solution.
@markburgess5917
@markburgess5917 Год назад
What kind of tape is that? Also did you heat the top part? I only saw you heat the middle. How long did you leave the tape on also? It turned out awesome.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thanks so much! Its brown binding tape from Stewmac. I just heat the parts of binding that don't fit in the slot on its own power. I keep it moving but try to not get anything but the binding warm. Once taped, I leave it on overnight.
@CVonC
@CVonC 2 месяца назад
@@strumwoodguitars can you recommend any other type of tape? It's hard for us in Australia to get that brown binding tape actually.
@zenkwong5769
@zenkwong5769 Год назад
Titebond II with ABS binding ? Usually I use thicker CA glue.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Yup you certainly can. I used to do that on every repair. The reason why I go with Titebond II is due to it's strength against humidity. Also allows for some elasticity vs CA. I've just had much better results.
@kenpark7427
@kenpark7427 Год назад
best way to avoid martin binding issue, buy wood binding martin guitar, but you need to pay more than the same standard model.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
It also looks great! 👌🏻
@gam1471
@gam1471 4 месяца назад
@@strumwoodguitars Why use plastic anyway? I own a Guild GAD-50, and the wood binding looks beautiful. It's a 19 year old guitar, and the binding's not coming off!
@jimdoner3443
@jimdoner3443 Год назад
Nice work
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thank you. Appreciate that.
@andrelecouteur2135
@andrelecouteur2135 Год назад
Every time I use tape to repair binding, the tape distorts the finish and I end up having to level sand and buff to repair where the tape pulled on the finish. How do you avoid this?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Well first off, I NEVER use tape if it's an older vintage instrument. The lacquer will be very fragile and perhaps even open pores which will allow for blushing and discoloration. You also should be using a low-tack tape to help avoid this. Lastly, if you had any doubts on applying tape to a guitar, stick it to your shirt a couple of times to lower the adhesion. Hopefully that helps!
@bigtorrisi
@bigtorrisi Год назад
If I owned a $10,000 guitar the f**king binding had better not shrink or lift.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
I totally agree. Seems like a reasonable request.
@mrfuzztone
@mrfuzztone 9 месяцев назад
If have the issue on an $8K Martin. Yes. Surprising.
@b4uloveme
@b4uloveme 13 дней назад
You trimmed the most important part
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 10 дней назад
What part is that?
@seniorfrog6622
@seniorfrog6622 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for this video. Here’s another reason for me not to buy a Martin guitar.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 8 месяцев назад
Thanks. The guitar is still solid. Just maybe not always cosmetically.
@jessejorgensen3931
@jessejorgensen3931 9 месяцев назад
Both of my martins have done this
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
Hopefully, you got them sorted. It is astonishing how often this occurs.
@sipseydirk
@sipseydirk 9 месяцев назад
Can you provide links to the glue and tape that you used?
@stephengibert4722
@stephengibert4722 7 месяцев назад
There is no excuse for the binding problem. Martin needs to pay people for this. Class action suit?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, I'm not sure why it is so common.
@davegott8412
@davegott8412 Год назад
I get my Martin binding fixed by luthier but my sweat takes it out every time, and the binding shrinks , so it must be cut :(
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Well that's unfortunate. I do know of a couple people that seal the binding channel with lacquer or super glue to create another level of protection.
@mr.achmed.x
@mr.achmed.x 8 месяцев назад
How much would you take for such a service? 😅
@sagrsalem6340
@sagrsalem6340 Год назад
Good work bro.. I have a question about heat Gun : 1- could it become risky and cause the loose of the inside braces ? 2- I have 20 years old Yamaha classical guitar and its finish go from clear to cloudy could the heat Gun solve it and restore the clear look again ? Thank you Bro
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thank you. 1- you would have to hold the heat gun for some time to loosen the glue on the braces. The key is to never stop moving the gun. Too much heat is not good.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
And 2- It's tough to know what's the approach without seeing it. But I assume it won't do much. Sometimes naphtha (or light fluid) does a great job of removing cloudiness.
@sagrsalem6340
@sagrsalem6340 Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars could the hair dryer become more safe ? with moving in circles
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
@sagrsalem6340 I'm not certain, they are very similar heat sources. Never noticed a big difference between the two.
@sagrsalem6340
@sagrsalem6340 Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars Thank you So much for Reply
@rogeliobaldo2132
@rogeliobaldo2132 23 дня назад
What glue did you use?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 10 дней назад
Titebond. It's my favourite glue for how easy it is to work with and clean up.
@thornil2231
@thornil2231 Год назад
How to fix lifting binding on a Martin acoustic guitar? Bring it to a Martin certified repair shop and pay nothing.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Hopefully. This is typically considered neglect but I've had a couple covered over the years.
@andrelecouteur2135
@andrelecouteur2135 9 месяцев назад
I also use the brown binding tape but I found that it can pull wrinkles into the finish of the guitar. How do you avoid this issue?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 9 месяцев назад
I'm not certain. I've never run into issues, thankfully. I don't use any tape on a vintage instrument. That I can see wrinkling or pulling the finish. I always make sure to clean off all the glue before adding tape. And most of the time, I will dab the tape on my shirt or apron a couple of times to lower the tack level.
@16sillyducks
@16sillyducks 6 месяцев назад
@@strumwoodguitars would you say a 1978 Martin was vintage, and if you don't use binding tape how do you bind the 'binding' to keep it in place ? cheers Tom
@josiahdavidswim
@josiahdavidswim 11 месяцев назад
I can't seem to find the binding tape. Is there an accessible alternative you would suggest?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 11 месяцев назад
Stewmac sells brown binding tape. In a couple different widths depending on the job needed. I highly recommend.
@alandust2188
@alandust2188 Год назад
Use mute and CC if you don't want listen to annoying noises. Otherwise good info.
@miguelmarquez4192
@miguelmarquez4192 Год назад
On my d35 I can feel my binding beginning to lift in one spot the size is about an inch in length. Im scared to let anyone touch it and definitely wont do it myself. Its not separated but isnt smooth. Would the repair be the same? What other methods should i expect or avoid when taking this to get fixed?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
For the most part it should be the same repair. It has movement which is why you can start to feel it. The job is a standard fix. Though It depends on what version of a repair shop you take it to for what they will actually do. I would ask for examples. Hope it goes smoothly!
@markburgess5917
@markburgess5917 Год назад
And when you send it back to Martin they try to charge you Sick of my Martin just problem after problem
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Though I don't agree with, I understand the charge. It is considered humidity damage which is not covered under warranty.
@DesertRat332
@DesertRat332 Год назад
That's BS! I have a Yamaha FG-110 I bought in 1975. It spent a couple of decades in the Mojave desert before I ever bothered to humidify it. No cracks, no separation issues. I keep Boveda humidpaks in my Martin case all the time. My HD-28V is having binding separation issues after 6-7 years. 😡
@hogs150
@hogs150 Год назад
the heat gun won't bubble the nitro? also will duco cement work with plastic binding?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
It would damage the nitro if you hold it on one spot. Always keep it moving and on low heat and you should be fine.
@williamburroughs2273
@williamburroughs2273 Год назад
I hope you didn't use duco on a guitar, it's bad for the finish.
@gam1471
@gam1471 4 месяца назад
Is the Martin company doing anything to sort this out? This shouldn't be happening. Has the company started using a different type of plastic or glue, for example - does anyone know?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 4 месяца назад
Not since the beginning. Lol. I'm not sure why this is still an issue after so many years.
@rzh3443
@rzh3443 Год назад
Excellent ! I wondered about the glue type ? Nothing special for plastic to wood ? Hopefully, I never need this repair as I keep the humidity above 40 percent even in winter.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thanks! Yeah, there are a couple types of glue I use. I generally always use titebond II, but im currently doing another binding job and using super glue. It depends on the situation. Which by the sounds of things you won't have to deal with.
@gam1471
@gam1471 4 месяца назад
@@strumwoodguitars Superglue and nitrocellulose guitar finishes? That's high risk!
@jjmcwill1881
@jjmcwill1881 Год назад
Not sure I want to buy a martin hd 28 now. I was going to make payments. Maybe a gibson J45?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Well they are beautiful guitars. If that's the model you want. All guitars can occur issues if not taken care of.
@freebornjohn6876
@freebornjohn6876 Год назад
How about a luthier built Yamaha LL26?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
@freebornjohn6876 This is the procedure I do for most jobs. The biggest thing is testing binding material to wood adhesion.
@gam1471
@gam1471 4 месяца назад
I bought a Gibson J-35. Mine's a cannon, the volume and punch beats a D-18 and D-28 The bracing in a J-35 is different to that of a J-45, and so is the bridge.
@unclejondale
@unclejondale 11 месяцев назад
can the blue painting tape be used?
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 11 месяцев назад
It could be used. Though it wouldn't be my first choice. The difference here is that it isn't as tacky. In this example, it won't allow for as much tension to act as a clamp when gluing.
@hobonickel840
@hobonickel840 Год назад
Thanks for the content ..What kind of glue is best here? ... I've heard many different references to glue in this situation from stewmacs white super and fish glue... titebond or tightbond ?? does it set fast or leave plenty of time for newb speed? lol
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Honestly, all of those will work. It's what you are comfortable with. You will still have to move fairly quick but most of those will allow for newb speed. My choice is titebond 90% of the time.
@hobonickel840
@hobonickel840 Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars perfect I ordered titebond III ... Thanks.. I'm looking forward to giving it a go
@John-wr6yo
@John-wr6yo Год назад
How to fix binding. Dont use crappy shitty ivoroid binding. No plastic please.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Certainly a good start!
@Johnny_Doe
@Johnny_Doe Год назад
Damn, never seen binding come off.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
You must not have a Martin. 🤣 It's not an every guitar issue. Just depends on the guitars environment settings.
@Johnny_Doe
@Johnny_Doe Год назад
@@strumwoodguitars I don’t own Martins, but I have a boatload of Gibsons and have never seen this. My hygrometer usually reads 48%. And I humidify my guitars..
@SteveBlackdog
@SteveBlackdog Год назад
Nice video, but please lose the music!
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Thanks. I only do it because listening to sanding can only go for so long. Haha.
@RichardThornton_sasuser
@RichardThornton_sasuser 8 месяцев назад
Amazing, a $10000 guitar with such cheap plastic binding. I’d never buy Martin.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars 8 месяцев назад
It is pretty crazy. Keeps me busy though.
@CamBaldeon
@CamBaldeon Год назад
So much anxiety watching you pulling that tape off cold.
@strumwoodguitars
@strumwoodguitars Год назад
Valid. Lol. But im actually pulling up rather than out and I have yet had a single issue with that. But perhaps I try a new approach. Thanks for the thought there.
@joq702
@joq702 10 месяцев назад
If it works for you, I cannot second guess your process. For my own care and from experience painting edges of windows I pull at an angle.
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