How to Fly the DCS AH-64D Apache #1: Helicopter Basics

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Part 1/4, giving you insight into what every control does and how to coordinate them to fly smoothly. It's a VERY simplified crash-course in helicopters. Yes you can go inverted briefly. But for your early training, maybe hold up on doing that. Get control first, the you can practice acrobatics.
Also, the flight model is early early access. Strong bets on the flight model's going to change and tweak for a while.
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Track: "Technological Ruin" from White Bat V
00:00 Series Intro
02:30 Controls Indicator
04:26 Cyclic - rotor disc tiliting
05:56 Collective (~power / lift)
07:52 Anti-Torque Pedals & being 'in trim'
13:52 Nothing to see here. No secrets of the universe. No mystery of life. Especially don't stare at it. You'll go mad.
14:57 Controls in a simple turn
16:35 Throttles
17:28 Smooth motions & RPM drops
20:03 Control Coupling/Collective changing Pitch
20:36 Pedals causing bank
21:25 Max speed & Retreating Blade Stall
21:47 Effective Translational Lift (ETL)
22:23 In Ground Effect (IGE) vs Out of Ground Effect (OGE)
23:11 Vortex Ring State (VRS)

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@EbonySeraphim 2 года назад

Been flying the Ka-50 for 8-9 years and I didn't even know that the crabbing was more aerodynamically efficient. I noticed that tendency happening in certain situations but assumed it was wind. Sometimes I don't try to fight it but usually prefer to correct it if there is anything but a short waypoint leg to fly to. The problem in the KA-50 is that there is no "flight path indicator"/"total velocity vector" that I can use to know that I have the correct heading for my flight path. I can only see that the nose is pointed at a heading so it's the way I have to fly.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

The Ka-50's a bit different though. The crabbing comes from the tail rotor, not just yawing the tail against the main rotor, but also effectively slightly pushing you sideways off course. So you can fix that with a little bank, a little rudder or both. With the Ka-50 there is no tail rotor. I think at faster airspeeds there might be some differences in induced flow between the rotors from the changes in separation left & right, but not sure if that would or should cause crabbing. It's entirely possible that the Ka-50 travels straight through the air, with the slip ball slightly to the right at faster speeds. There should be a video on that coming some time, but still need to run a bunch of tests and check some theories. For what it's worth the auto-turn / route modes seem to prefer traveling straight.

@aaronwhite1786 2 года назад

It's definitely comforting to see that I wasn't the only one with helicopter experience who struggled all the same. It's getting better a week in, but it was a rough first few flights. I'm kind of worried how I'll fly once I try and switch back to the Mi-24.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

It's simple. you won't worry about this thing they call hover and just race straight to 300!

@aaronwhite1786 2 года назад

@@volkvoort Haha, I will say, I think I went in to the Apache expecting an even easier version of the Ka-50, so it was a bit of a rude awakening when I was suddenly spinning and flopping all over the place, not even able to get into a steady hover.

@way2sh0rt07grad Год назад

Mines the opposite, I started on the Apache and recently went to the Huey. Needless to say, I was humbled very quickly by the sensitivity of the Huey lol.

@kevintieman3616 5 месяцев назад

@@way2sh0rt07grad try the gazelle

@bazejs8084 2 года назад

What an absolutely fantastic high effort channel, not just this one video, but the whole channel! All the content i've found here, all this videos, like i.e. Ka-50 autopilot explanation, now Apache videos, it is priceless.

@SsgtHolland 2 года назад

Been waiting for this! Glad to see you are doing a deep dive into the basics, Volk!

@BFGDoc 2 года назад

Excellent video Volk! Just subscribed!! Can’t wait to see the rest!

@JodiTrommler Год назад

Well, I had a bit of a time getting the Apache airborne like so many others, but today I flew it in VR for the first time and ... wow!!! What a blast! Once you get the hang of it, it is so much fun to fly, especially in VR.

@volkvoort Год назад

I have yet to dabble into the VR realm. 1 part that I like to see my IRL surroundings/beverage, 1 part my computers probably bit too low end and 1 part that it doesn't film as well. Sounds awesome though.

@JodiTrommler Год назад

@@volkvoort IRL surroundings and beverage... LOL okay. Makes sense. I have certainly knocked over a drink or two while in VR. One issue I do have is that I have a notebook in which I have written down all the key commands, not just in flight sims like DCS, but all my driving sims as well. That's probably 60-70 pages of stuff that I certainly can't remember all of (especially at my age) and I obviously can't see to read when I have my VR headset on. Don't have a solution for that one yet.

@volkvoort Год назад

@@JodiTrommler Custom kneeboard. As in make the right scale/dimension png files of your notes, then add them to the kneeboard folder. That way you can access it in-view (in the VR itself). There are a few tuts on how to size/make the kneeboard pages and where to put them. There's at least one mod/tool to do it as well, though I've forgotten chunks, so best I can say is google for that.

@USAMP926C Год назад

Very descriptive and understandable video. Bad ass. Thanks.

@TiramisuCorleone Год назад

Thanks for the great content and the music links!

@chrisgoddard1855 2 года назад

Excellent explanation thank you!

@panthera1536 2 года назад

Nice video Volk. Keep it up.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Much obliged

@Lucifer-qt9gh 2 года назад

This goddamn beautiful beast is hitting me right in the pocket lol...

@WarrenPostma Год назад

This one is really tough to fly. I am great at rolling it over and knocking those rotors right off.

@fady904 Год назад

Thanks for the great tutorial. Controlling the Apache in the air is way harder than the KA-50. The latter is much more fun and easier to fly. If DCS truly modeled them accurately, the KA-50 would easily over maneuver the Apache.

@volkvoort Год назад

Thanks. On the agility thing I'm not sure. If one goes purely by acrobatics, the Apache has done some really impressive stuff, though of course one needs to differentiate Deltas from Echo models. That said I recently saw a vid of one of the first two V-80s pretty much just a leaf in wind and doing some crazy stuff.

@AlexC259 2 года назад

Excellent video, thanks It’s a big help. I am starting to get the basic understanding, but having some problems with slowing down and going into a hover. It seems to take a long time and hard to get into a true hover and keep moving around. Could talk about transition into hover and landing on a spot. Thanks

@volkvoort 2 года назад

That's coming soon

@regwatson2017 2 года назад

I don't know whether flying a variety of XPlane smaller helicopters helped with control but I found the AH64 much easier in comparison.

@anttikinnunen5958 2 года назад

Nice. Thank you.

@teggy689 2 года назад

Hey mate this was fantastic, I was hoping to clear up something though. From my understand the real life AH-64 cyclic does not re-centre but just holds where you leave it. Does this apply to the anti torque pedals as well? Or do they re-centre, I saw you mention they have a centre "detent" area but didn't know if this is what you meant.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

The Force Trim release sets where the (I think magnetic) locks keep the stick in place. Or rather it sets the new centre position of the IRL stick. So less likely for some sudden bump to move it from there, and the further you move it from that position, the more resistance you'll feel on your stick moving it from that position. The IRL pedals do also trim like that apparently. As for the detent thingy - put on the Right-Control + Enter controls grid. Then gradually move your pedals (or whatever you use for pedals) from one side to the other. You'll see at the centre, the pedals indicator stops moving for a second, like it sticks or hits a detent. So if you're transitioning your anti-torque pedal from e.g. the 'usual' left side and crossing over to the right, you'll need to give a little bit extra input to cross that hump in the centre.

@teggy689 2 года назад

@@volkvoort ah okay, I have a virpil set up so I removed the springs from the joystick base. It is loose and flops around but at least it doesn't re-center by itself now. I have springs in the rudder pedals as well that re-centre it so might be better to remove them as well. Thanks for the help!

@ziljanvega3879 2 года назад

Thank you Volk, as someone who can easily hover the Gazelle with no axis curves, I was floored by how much of a challenge the Apache currently is to fly. There will have to be quite the evolution of the flight model before anyone is flying it like the air shows any time soon.

@ArchOfficial 2 года назад

The Gazelle is incredibly badly correlated and doesn't even qualify as a sim model arguably, so I don't think it'll have much to do with a decent model. While I'm sure ED's 64D model has its issues, consider if you'd be able to fly it like in the air shows even if the model was perfect but you've only flown it for a few hours/days and are using significantly worse equipment than what the real thing comes with.

@ziljanvega3879 2 года назад

@@ArchOfficial the SMEs all said the Gazelle FM was accurate too. I’m sure in many regimes the Apache is ballpark

@ArchOfficial 2 года назад

@@ziljanvega3879 The Gazelle FM is objectively inaccurate. It doesn't line up to any of the flight data at just about any part of the envelope. If you search for "A Brief Data-Driven Look at the DCS Gazelle Flight Model" you might find a video about it. Having done simulation models for vehicles, I can tell you from personal experience that it almost doesn't matter what your testers think about the vehicle; it's not a primary way of evaluating the model. You need to actually correlate it. The feedback you get from very skilled and attentive professionals is usable, but they don't always even agree with eachother when it comes to the real vehicle. Feedback is at best vaguely indicative if the hardware isn't almost identical and realistic in function; which none of the civvie flight sim hardware is to begin with. I don't know how good the AH-64D is in DCS, but considering it can allegedly do barrel rolls with a full loadout, I am skeptical that most of the model correlates.

@ziljanvega3879 2 года назад

@@ArchOfficial I'm familiar with every video ever produced on the Gazelle, as I've been flying it for years. I'm sure at some point, someone acquainted with aerodynamics and engineering will produce a similar video on the Apache. There are too many bizarre instabilities not seen on any other chopper and within the standard flight envelope for it to be accurate. Apart from the twitchiness of the baseline curves and uncommanded rolls as if though balancing a ball on another ball when at high torque and not in a hover, the idea that the chopper would just *barely* be able to lift it's most common load, leaving evasive maneuvers as a non-option when in combat loadout seems almost unbelievable.

@ArchOfficial 2 года назад

@@ziljanvega3879 Like I said, I doubt it is well correlated. Ka-50 and A-10C needed quite large changes to the model years later, and those are considered to be the good models. F-16C initially was incredibly bad. My point, however, was that even if the model is perfect, things will likely be too difficult purely due to hardware and sensory limitations. You're also kind of comparing yourself and your limited flights hours to the top talent in the world, which is not so reasonable.

@offgridwithdj4877 2 года назад

The Apache is at present kicking my ass, but you straightened out a few things for me lol. If only I could find a get button binding video for my crappy thrustmaster t flight x lol.

@aaronwhite1786 2 года назад

Keep working at it! I've been flying the Ka-50, Mi-24 and Mi-8 for a while now, so I thought I was pretty solid with helicopters...but my first few days in the Apache were an absolute nightmare. Now about a week later of on and off flying, I'm pretty comfortable without needing the display indicator on screen, and honestly, it's pretty rare that I use much trim at all. I might trim it a bit nose-down when I'm in forward flight just to not have to sit and hold the stick so much, but other than that, it's only been pretty small adjustments.

@griffincheng Год назад

Thanks. Big help for newbies. Your English is better now.

@volkvoort Год назад

duuurrrr... thanks. I guess?

@griffincheng Год назад

@@volkvoort it is a compliment

@serginiopaca709 2 года назад

Useful video. Thanks Volk. I subscribe to your channel to watch the other episode.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Glad it helped

@AIRWARFAREGROUP 2 года назад

Volk do you fly VR or Head Tracker?

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Headtracker slapped together from insulation take and cardboard.

@AustinRoss Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CUtyUTLeW1g.html Just in case you feel like show boating. She'll remind you quickly. The A model was a lot more... nimble. D model spent too much time at the upgrade buffet.

@frenchcopter 2 года назад

Is there a way to make the rotor spin clockwise (view from above), or a trick to invert yaw and collective? In Europe helicopters are inverted and as a pilot irl i won't be able to fly like this or i might take the habit and make a mistake irl :(

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Not that I'm aware of. One of those cases of just mentally prepping before you hop in the seat as to which side to compensate for that power change. Hopefully your flight sim setup 'feels' different enough from IRL that the habit doesn't transfer.

@frenchcopter 2 года назад

@@volkvoort Thanks, I think that swaping only the yaw will work :)

@showjaymayhem Год назад

First seat of cockpit also same? Backseat of the Helicopter also called RIO like fighter jet?

@volkvoort Год назад

In the Apache, the back seater is typically called "Pilot". The front seater the "Co-Pilot Gunner"/CPG. In the F-14 specifically the backseater is the RIO/Radar Intercept Officer, though in the F-15's it's WSO/Weapon Systems Officer. So the naming of especially the 'second seat' changes even for airframes from the same country. Some attack helicopters also have the pilot in the front seat and the second seater/weapons person in the back, so it varies.

@showjaymayhem Год назад

@@volkvoort Thank you very much. It's clear explanation.

@MetalMatt2510 2 года назад

@ 0:40 held my breath 😯

@volkvoort 2 года назад

virtual sim-life. If you mess up it's just a restart away ;-). Though it was the first take.

@janintelkor Год назад

So as I can see, the Ka-50 is probably the best helicopter to fly in DCS. I felt stupid that i need a tutorial for how to fly Apache, but as I can see it's just meant to fly this way.

@volkvoort Год назад

Well easiest best always. I also had to start focusing first time in the Apache - not that my Shark piloting skills were legendary either.

@paullarue4896 2 года назад

I can’t get the weapons to work. To complicated working with two seats with VR. Doing it all by feel and it seems like I’m flying a different version or something from the help videos

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Usual suspects for the weapons are probably Master Arm, Disable the Cyclic Trigger Guard, WAS (select the weapon - specifically with the TEDAC or Cyclic you intend to be pulling the trigger on), putting on the Laser (for the Hellfires) and if you're using George, then consent to fire or free fire. Doing it by feel is exactly what one needs to develop and practice - so right track there. Some of the help videos are people that have been flying it for months, often on sticks with extensions, nice gimbals etc. so don't be discouraged by not flying it like them early on. Hope it starts clicking for you soon.

@fcw2bom 2 года назад

"Other helicopters with no curves or slight curves" Lol, I had to use something like 40% saturation and aggressively re-trim the cyclic constantly just to get the huey under control. Though I guess that's what happens when you use a cheap ass t flight hotas x rather than something more gucci with pedals to boot

@volkvoort 2 года назад

hawt diggity, that's a lotta curves!

@chadvader974 2 года назад

How do you get the dotted line on the hud?

@volkvoort 2 года назад

You need your IHADSS sight down (default I key), enough brightness/gain of course to see it, and then just have the sight symbology in one of the modes that gives you the artificial horizon, e.g. Sight Symbology Up into Cruise mode has it. Hover mode symbology for example doesn't show the artificial horizon.

@giovannigiorgio3211 2 года назад

It just baffles me how hard they would make such an advanced helicopter to fly. I have a hard time believing hovering is this hard in the ah-64 in real life.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Think it's a combination of not having the hardware that's in the real aircraft (i.e the stick/pedals) that lock in place with that same range of motion, not having the feeling in your seat when there's acceleration/tilting and well, early access module. I didn't get much time in it last night, but it did feel a little easier to control after the patch.

@gamerspitt8089 2 года назад

the apache is harder to control in DCS than in real life, they need to fix that, its not fun to fly a mission if you have to fight the controls all the time.

@plantsofwar8834 2 года назад

Disagree with you on the curves. It took a few days of practice, but I'm able to fly extremely smoothly with 0 curves and 100 saturation. Whatever works for you of course.

@volkvoort 2 года назад

Congrats on the smooth flying (not being sarcastic). Which stick are you using?

@plantsofwar8834 2 года назад

@@volkvoort WinWing Orion hotas. The gimbal does help a lot; it has a very soft/low resistance center that’s great for fingertip flying and making delicate adjustments, so I’m jus constantly trimming to keep my stick centered. Method of trimming is taps (no holding needed) in central pos mode + springless mode for rudder.

@rstandi 2 года назад

@@plantsofwar8834 I have the Orion, also. Did you do anything with the stick gimbals. Mine feels really stiff to move. Like I can’t use it gently…

@AIRWARFAREGROUP 2 года назад

Agree with you on this PoW ;^) However, often I'll put a little in to start and ween myself off of it depending on the flight model. I'm sure the Apache FM will go through some changes so hang on for more challenges! ~JUICE

@ArchOfficial 2 года назад

Shitty equipment, which is what most simmers are still using unfortunately, will make even the best model seem inaccurate and maybe even almost uncontrollable. Meanwhile folks like you with decent enough equipment don't struggle nearly as much. For some reason simmers never really acknowledge this. It's the exact same sentiment in car simulations too. Maybe once decent entry-ish level equipment like the VKB NXT become more common and old garbage is phased out this sentiment will change a little bit.