How to get a strong start with Morathi on Legendary 

I know these are super work-heavy, which is why I'm so grateful when I see these style of videos come up. Thanks man, you're a true 🐐

Strategy, tactics, economics, diplomacy, battle lessons... This is everything I have needed and wanted. A brilliant idea and a 100 minute video that I happily watched all of because all of it was interesting. Thanks Legend, can't wait to see more of this series

Love the concept, I have no doubt you'll make this a really valuable series.

Really enjoyed this guide. Probably because he isn't constantly interrupted by the same stupid questions about WH3.

I've always struggled with starting as the DE, so this should be at least entertaining but hopefully useful too :D

Hey Legend, great guide (loved the first turn bait out!). One thing to add is "Rightly Suspicious" isn't as important as "Underdog" which effectively overrides "Supremacy" and everything else, making them an absolute breeze to confederate. In short, making sure they have Underdog is the easiest trick to guaranteed quick confeds. Cheers for showing my DE's some love!

Would love to see one of these for Tehenhauin. His first 40+ turns are such a pain.

I'm 2000+h in tw2 and am playing legendary all the time, but still learn from your videos. Appreciate it. Keep it up mate :)

I'm working up my courage, to tackle legendary with Morathi! She's S Tier and then some, but man, what a hairy start position she has. This'll help. Cheers Legend.

I have a different strategy with Lokhir that requires minimum skill and you will have 5-6 provinces(!) at turn 16-20. So, basically this mini (KEKW) guide Turn 1: Do 2 turns Star Tower strat. Force march Lokhir into the sea, recruit the lord at Chupayotl and recruit 3 dark shards for new lord and 1 dreadspear for Ark Turn 2: Attack Star Tower. You can autoresolve it or manually fight it for saving units (not manticore, he is trash). When you press end turn, reload your save file to cause the Teclis attack on you, fight it manually if you autoresolved Star Tower. This battle isn’t so hard. Manually fight him, and, these are steps to fight this battle easier: 1) Make sure to lure the artillery shots to your damaged melee infantry and save your full hp 2 corsairs and 1 with shields 2) Eagle will attack you aggresively, but even your damaged darkshards will shred him 3) bombard their archers and loremasters infantry 4) Don't let Loremaster Hero going close to your Black ark lord 5) Shred loremasters and Teclis with archers Make sure you always get slaves option for battles Turn 3: finish Teclis if he is there, recruit corsairs handbows for Lokhir, disband manticore if he is alive still Turn 4: sack and occupy Fuming Serpent. Recruit masters or corsairs if you have money for it. Recruit masters if you can, demolish masters building as soon as you recruited masters and build gold Upgrade black ark to level 3 as fast as you can after that Turn 5: rush for the marks of the old ones skaven settlement. If you will have rebels soon, pop down Khaine’s rite to repell them. Recruit corsairs if you can You should sack the marks at the turn 7-8 and then you SHOULD get Karond Kar, but if you didn’t, Chupayotl garrison will beat up rebels and then you get it. Discover Malekith ASAP. Give gifts both to him and Rakarth. You need to have 16 units in your army, because you will get that sweet artillery from black ark If you have artillery, go to Oyxl and fight this battle manually. Make sure bombardments are available for this battle This siege isn't too hard Also, recruit some units to black ark to stop rebel at Chupayotl Dark conduit is really strong in autoresolve If Skrolk has a port, you can make it a sack city, if he doesn't, well, he could occupy Subatuun as well. And he can not to occupy anything at all. He is random, but not as much as he could fail your strategy So, now your goal is beat Itza. Hardest part If Gor-rok has an army and you are not in war with him, you should be fine because he will not attack you with unbreakable sauruses, yet Beat him manually in Subatuun, IF HE IS THERE, then move to Axlotl, you should beat armies even if it is Pyrrhic victory, because you are replenishing fast. Also you can pop down Atharti rite as soon as you confeded Karond Kar Always check your diplomacy Even if Gor-rok will fight you with unbreakable sauruses, you should beat him. Hardly, but beat him Make sure you can withdraw your artillery just in case So you can outrun sauruses Head up to Itza, attack, win it(middle difficulty). And you have Itza on turn 15-20 based on luck But you will have it, even if your hands are claws just like mine Good luck trying confederating Malekith. You can confed Rakarth for mone for his sweeeeeet port. P.S. These series is cool. Hope you will continue. Yes-Yes

Morathi is the one of the most interesting campaign, a lot of shenanigans, unexpected turns .... This is the best start for her, thanks Legend

Looking forward to more videos in this series, I've kinda wanted something like this for multiple factions ever since you did the Kroq Gar 10turn guide, where you can show off some really unorthodox strong starts that isn't obviously apparent for most players

Awesome guide. IF you get the confederation with Clar Karond I would advise to send your third master to Lokhir and save him from Lustria - he's worth it

A tier list of hardest starting positions in Mortal Empires would be interesting. Morathi is definitely up there when all of Ulthuan gets called in and several stacks are sailing towards you every turn. Then Hexoatl gets called in to fight you and Alith Anar somehow manages to survive after fleeing north only to come back with a full stack of shadow walkers.

Always remember gentlemen, if she’s giving you small gifts over and over again, very soon she’s going to demand 2 grand out of you.

> like a 20 turns guide only much shorter > Much shorter > 1hr 41 Nobody tell him or he'll stop

I have 2 pieces of advice for the early part. On the first turn do not forced march as far south stop on the road by the reversed L shape lava lake. You will still be attacked there but they can't March back to the city so you get another battle and an easier battle at the city. Second piece of advice is in the early battles it really pays to use skirmish mode on the dark riders when using them as a distraction. It saves greatly on casualties.

Lovely to see these cheesy diplomacy starts, loving it

On the first end turn, I bet you can reliably keep the army from running back to Ss'ildra Tor if you don't force march quite as far down. You really only want to force march down JUST far enough that the army there sees you and can come out to attack. Then it won't have enough movement to force march back after it loses.

A couple of minutes into the video and I was already like 'wtf?!' I can barely ever get AI factions to give me more than the minimum 300 gold and that's with high relations and here he is getting 2000 on turn 1... Always find out something new. Morathi was the first ever campaign I played in TWW2 but I never tried it on Legendary. Videos like this always make me want to play the subject factions.

Hello I believe the Rightfully Suspicious trait is now locked in on Clar Karond I couldn’t find out 100% but I restarted about 10-15 times to test and they had it every time.

I think this was your most usful master class in how to use/abuse the diplomacy system in Warhammer. While your battles were good, the overworld management was the engaging part of this.

kinda dissapointed you don't use ,,Free the Morathi", it's lore friendly!

Great idea! I hope the views will reward the work you put in this, and we'll mark this as a start of a new successful series

"Much shorter" at 1 hr 41 mins. 😲 Love it though, keep it coming!

Quick tip, on the fight with the fleet footed one for Ironspike. After wasting their ammo wait until Lord has rested back to fresh before starting nuking and running.

Legend hacked the game, this is just footage of what Morathi AI does in the fog of war

I always wanted to do a Morathi campaign but her start and dark elves are such a pain but now I saw this video, nice job

big respect for this, morathi campaign is a prue shitshow where everything can go wrong and usually does. im a long time viewer and dont need it but man materials like this are goldmine,everything you need to GIT GUD in a small chunk of cheese.

LoTW the toll tariff officer. Who does that, sad beastman noises*

Are you still doing doomstack videos? I have 19 witch hunters looking for a spotlight

Please do Angrund next. Up until you capture K8P.

I usually have no problem with Morathi's first 10 turns, but its the moment after that. Hexloatl, more high elves and sisters of twilight, and khatep declaring war

Thank you legend~! Morathi is the only start I have always struggled with

I like this series idea a lot. also I literally just bought the first sundering book Malekith. I've never cared for DElves but I'm starting to come around

Never had issue with Morathi's start on Leg TBH. If you get Quartermester + Renowned and Feared + Tenacious you get 53 % upkeep reduction and heaps of post-battle loot money and can afford Shades doomstack by turn 25-30 and roll over anyone. Assuming you fight a lot and get enough XP by sacking cities and farming revolts. UPD: I don't get why Legend doesn't put any points to Scavenge on the Assassin - it's just free loot money. Super handy in early game

Wait... I thought Legend and others say your want Decisive Victories for the extra experience, especially for characters. Is there really no difference between Decisive and Close?

I didn't really think of wasting ammo as an exploit. When you say "without exploits" I assumed more..."no spawning infinite rebel lords to hit max level with a bunch of items on turn 2".

So good, such a tight series of events, and holy crap powering through the calm winds, that would have been a restart for me, props for powering through.

Perfect, just did 3 legendary starts with her yesterday and none went too well

Show Reikland capturing Nuln. You can get a Steam Tank RoR on like turn 12. (And -5 imperial authority)

i started Morathi on vortex during the weekend and yeah everyone just gang up on morathi,. wpn against alithanar then was busy fighting the the Sisters when all of ulthuan decided to gang up on me... thanks Legend!

I absolutely love the idea of making a full series of videos like this. I love all of your first 20 turns videos but find some of them to be a bit outdated at this point, which totally isn't your fault obviously lol. So something like this could replace that pretty much and also save you a lot of questions I'm sure you are spammed with regularly on your streams lol.

Forget Legendary. Hardest campaign start on any difficulty. Morathi (I play on Hard) is the only Total War campaign I've ever lost since I started playing on Hard sometime during the Empire: Total War days.. Edit: I think I actually lost a Satsuma campaign once in Shogun 2 also to be honest.

Just wanted to say thank you for this. I followed this guide and I've never had a smoother campaign. Taking out Alith Anar early and bringing the fight to Ulthuan early means no one has stepped foot near Quintex and I'm on turn 120. All 5 Lords confederated, all of the north, all of Ulthuan, parts of Lustria, and I'm raiding the Empire. Great guide!

On turn 3 when I attack Ironspike with the second lord I don't have movement to both sack and occupy (I have 16% movement range after attack just like in video). Is it random how far back this lord will move after sacking?

When I go to recruit a lord on turn 2 it doesn't give me the option to recruit a sorceress. Only a regular male or female lord. Edit: this is because I don't have "The Queen and the Crone" DLC which I just realized was a thing.

"I don't need the money so it's fine" Minutes later "The problem is I'm running low on money now." I love Legend streams. XD

I'm playing on VH/VH and by turn 3 they already managed to build the garrison building on Iron Spike fml

How do you lower the cool down for dark conduit? Whenever I used it the cool down is 120 seconds and it applies the same cool down to all of my magic

Twice now after doing the confed option with Clar Karond, Malus, Malekith and hellebron have all declared war on me the turn after.

In my last WE sisters campaign mommy confederated v.early the same DE red faction, north of WE sisters

Literally few days back i said to myself "Morathi is the only DE i didnt play shiit" Thanks Legend

Long videos are always a treat ;)

Extorting money from the hooved ones is awesome. When you make a cow love you, you'll receive much love

This is perfect. Perhaps a bit more discussion about mid-game (a what-comes-after-this) army compositions, thanks!

I love this video idea. I would love to see a Cult of Sotek start position because of their difficulty and them being the strongest of the lizardmen factions.

i got a decisive victory on the bad map i wanted to branch out cause i started with scaven and wanted to try dark elves love youre guides and strats legend!

I guess the next one should be the 10 turn lokhir fellhart migration to ulthuan strategy if nothing else at least no one will have to look for the actual live stream that the strat was featured in

Good content. A fun part of high and dark elf campaigns is the early confederation game.

question, i understand missile units are meta so are the most valuable in the players army especially with the melee cheats but for the ai are there missile units more valuable or their melee infantry as the melee infantry get all the melee cheats. just trying to figure out who to target first. any help appreciated

I think this is a good idea and I hope the guides are popular enough to warrant a few more. 20-Turn guides were great, but for most factions 20 turns is too much. In the first days of playing Total War: Warhammer 2, I used to watch your livestreams with the particular lord and try to emulate the first few turns to get the best start. Sometimes a little longer, but as stuff gets more random that doesn't help ofc. I remember starting my first legendary campaign with Mannfred because on lower difficulties the vision range is higher and you cannot kill the army AND attack the Castle in the first turn. So I had to start on legendary [kept the battle difficulty on normal though] ^^ Except for how to level up the legendary lords. Searching the later VODs for a glimpse of the skilltree of a late-game lord was a little tricky. But I understand that "How to level up legendary Lord X" wouldn't make for good videos :D I rely on less and less turns as I got better (and level the lords up on my own now *gg*) but having a solid "This is a good strategy to get a great start" video will really help especially players just getting into legendary or trying to play a new faction. And I think this format works better for most people than the livestream VODs because your interaction with the chat (which is great!

Bless you for doing this, Morathi has always been a rough start for me on legendary no doubt!

When you go into Ulthuan as Morathi, is it worth it to go for the Shrine of Asuryan, like with Lokir?

rather than a 1 hour video of my 20 turn guide, ill slap out a near 2 hour one on how to make morathi even more lit boom

So is gifting gold better with small gifts I've always done moderate or more..

You went from no gold to 11k over the course of one end turn. How is that possible? 50:48

way more of these please hopefully for wh3 as well when it comes round, love the content legend !

I don't think it's a 50/50 chance for Clar Karond to start without "Rightly Suspicious"... I'm now on my 15th restart and they've had it every time haha

Legend. You absolute mad man. You've done it. This is absolutely fabulous content. More of this spectrum of shenanigans! Also, happy new year! :D

Was there a recent update? b/c not much of this is recognizable today

The trusty Jildou the flame sorceress

What, the diplomacy traits are random? I have 2000 hours and had no idea

Fuck yeah

Too bad this guide will be obselete since Morathi joins Chaos in Game 3

Even if the master cant attach and come back, you should attach them and then remove them 58:20

Did he really say it would be "shorter" than the 20 turns guide xD

Great idea man looking forward to them. Of course WH3 will prob screw some of the strats but still- Good content

I hate wasting ammo on fckin snow maps no contrast between arrows and the ground

Legend did one thing wrong during the battle. His riders should have been on Skirmish mode. Now I know, skirmish mode is awful 99% of the time, but when you're using your ranged units as bait, it's so fucking good. Target the enemy you want them to lure, they'll shoot the enemy until it's close, scoot away and resume shooting until you've need of them again. Here's the thing Legend is way better than me, and not using Skirmish mode isn't a big deal, but it's just a little less Micro you don't need to worry about.

This did not work for SFO but give me some ideas. lol

"At least we've(Morathi, the mother) made relations with him (Malekith, the son) now... Relations coming in real quick." --LegendofTotalwar, circa 2022. Their family tree is a line segment.

in my opinion the only problem with this series is that the second video is not out yet

"Much shorter" ==> 1h 40min video xD

Would Razing The Mood Shard instead of sacking it on turn 6 have worked? I reckon the elves would settle in the ruins and pay with half their army to do so.

quick question when the AI has a military allaince with another AI faction and a military alliance with the player, does the AI always side with the player if the other AI declares war on the player? Sounds confusing I know, hope someone understood

We need a High Elves guide to keep Imirk alive and to keep every Legendary lord alive too, so you can confederate with each of them. Mid game planning depending on the situation, end game pretty simple once you built up several Doomstacks.

Thanks for the video

Paid more attention to this video than most of my college classes.

@Ledgend, have now tried both your new guides and have never had better campaign starts, like the concept. Thanks for a good job done.

Cant wait for Skrolk early game guide :D!

That early confederation was definitely more trouble than it's worth it. Let them develop it to t3 at least, preferably to t4. What you want as DE in early game is getting to t4, not more shit provinces, especially ones with wrong corruption. All your development money should be siphoned into the main province and the ark.

Now I we could only get an optimized version for V.Counts or lol for hellebron I'd be a happy evil maniac

Can you link the playlist the video is on in the description?

"Lickitty bloody split" ~ Legend 2022

let's make a short video as the 20 turn guide are to long.

'...only much shorter.' Stares at the video timer..

Lol I tried this and wiped to the first turn army. This shit is way jacked up compared to hard. To the point of why even bother. This does not need to exist.

I would highly recommend to give 2nd army 2 darkshard in addition. It would make that battle easier, it would make enemy army attack morathi in field (as she would have 2 less units), which you would easily win and it would make capturing port much much easier. For me it is quite reliable to recreate.

Looking forward to the series, if any any point you could do Gelt I would appreciate it. In the current patch I can take the capital turn two without recruiting and then take the other two settlements as fast as I can walk to them, but then for some reason the dwarves declare war on me, and if I take time dealing with them, which takes forever since they can underway, the vampires just get out of control and swarm me with vargist spams.