I remember back in the late 70s having several 1965 Chevy pickups. We put the VIN tag on which ever one we wanted to drive. Pop rivets. Move the license tag and drive on. Being able to get from point A to point B is a right not a privilege. Most people dont even realize how much freedom we gave up when we allowed government agencies to control our means of transportation and the taxation of said transportation.
I'm pretty sure people, especially police, think I do this, because I have several vehicles the same make and model with the sane licence plates. I'm not doing what you're saying, but I agree with you.
You ain’t seen nothing yet. While everyone is busy complaining about Donald Trump, the actual antichrist is making robots and AI spyware. Soon you won’t be able to move a muscle without it being recorded somewhere.
@@headfirst6227soon? That’s happening right now. Pick a random subject you never speak of and have a conversation with your spouse near the phone. Watch how you are going to get blasted with ads anbout said subject.
Tennessee for the longest time has been pro car enthusiast but in states like where I live they are anti anything ya want or need to do legally. Pennsylvania likes to create folks as many problems as they possibly can.
You can do the same thing with a home built trailer. Show proof of purchase on all materials and have an inspection done usually a Highway patrol officer does that. I don’t know if they will come to your house. I’ve always seen it taken to them. I can only speak to how it’s done in Utah though.
Ive done thousands of garage keepers liens. The closest thing Ive had to do to this, is on a trailer build I did. The procedure in North Georgia for VIN title and tag was almost exactly the same as you describe for your vehicle. This was easier and faster than the garage keepers liens.
In California you would start with the DMV. They would demand you physically take the vehicle to the CHP for a "Blue Tag" (they don't do house calls). It would be difficult just to get through the first process of getting a "Special Construction" tag, but then you would probably have an even worse time with the second phase, or even an impossible time getting registration to drive the car on the street due to stringent EPA, DOT, and CARB restrictions. This would make the task not worth doing, because you may, or may not end up with a drivable vehicle. Maybe build it in Tennessee then sell it to a person in California, but only if it can be titled as a 1968 (?) Mustang, and not of the year built. If it were registered as a new car or year built, you could never get it past the smog referee.
Only draw back is the new vin would be like a “kit car” vin. As to a 67-68 vin would be worth more in the eyes to most people in the market. Well explained!
Not to say your completely wrong but if it’s a kitt car it will say it is the year the vin is made such as 2023 but a new body of a 1967 mustang says 1967 Ford Mus on the title, it’s a complete duplicate to my Origional 1967 mustang not a kit car, if I were building a Shelby cobra then it would say 2023 cobra kit. So your not wrong on the kit car title but on these Remanufactured bodies they do say they are the real deal
@@Must-Stangingarage the guy is wrong when he says it would be a kit car, it’s not a kit car and is not titles as one, kit cars are replica cars not actual stamped bodies and it’s titled as a 1967 mustang 2 door FB not a kit
@@1194videothat all said, will your finished car need to be compliant with today's safety/emissions/etc., or could you build it with a leaded gas burning, leaky 289, and no cats, for example?
Questions (1) What year did you title your build as? I would like to title mine as a 1998. (2) Did you have to complete your build before you got the VIN?
None of this is valid in California. According to my local CHP contact, without the original Ford VIN that would be considered a specialty built vehicle and stamping your own VIN on the car (or even refreshing an original VIN) considered a felony. Several years ago I needed a replacement title for a '65 Corvair and all it took was an inspection of the VIN tag by a clerk and all was OK. I recently purchased and brought back to California a '39 Ford out of Arizona that had a CA DMV tag riveted to the door post. The original VIN is stamped on the frame in the correct location under some paint and the car is obviously not a kit car. Local CHP insists on having DMV research the riveted tag and registering the car under the original VIN. They are understaffed and only work this kind of stuff two days a week. Five weeks now and still no return calls and no title/registration.
I bought a built kit car from Wisconsin and brought it home to Ohio. Somewhere I lost the title before I could get it transfered. I didn't know what to do because I no longer had the sellers info so I just stored it away. Fast forward 10 years later me and my girlfriend at the time broke up but when she was moving out found the title in some of her paper work. What do I do now since it's been so long?
I've got a 67 in sad shape with no title but it is a factory AC car not under dash, door doesn't match the other VINs do you suggest any where there is a VIN with new sheet metal or could you do a video on just the old cars
So this works for completely custom 1-off "coach build" style cars, too? Like if I hand form my body to my own styling and weld up a tube frame chassis and all, I can still get it VIN'd and registered as an original 202x "Hamster Super Turbo" or whatever the heck I want to call it?
Around here when ya tell folks all ya need is a sticker you are more than likely gonna see a Summit decal on the front fender and it adds to the value by covering the rust holes and it adds HP too no doubt or so they tell me.
I have a 1970 Maverick that I bought from Kentucky and Kentucky made a new title but the woman at the license plate office said it was the title but cars not in the system
If it’s a new title it would t be in their system since there are no past registration. It will be in their system after you register it in your state, they do t look up different states in their system, only the state it will be registered
Not sure if tbis would work in arkansas, i bought a body that never had a vin (32 model a) and was told I have only 1 option, bonded title starts at $1000, and goes up, they decide what you pay the state, and I have to get a bond from an insurance company (several hundred dollars per year for 10 years) after a decade they will issue me a title and vin
What if i build the frame , body with materials i already have. There won't be any reciets on it. Like i wanna build something resembling a 1920s pickup truck. Ive had old Ford straight axles from model A to 1940. Gonna use rectangular tubing ive had forever as well. Might even use a Toyota 22R and a 5 speed. So nothing will be anything resembling anything made before. Also have a grillshell from 20s-30s that no one knows what it is.
It’s the same concept except you have to tell the clerk the value of the car and they tax you on that. And you tell them it’s a home built and what your building then when the guy inspects it he will be the one to approve for title, be sure to register it early so the value is lower.
So my 2004 sierra 1500 got shredded by a semi trailer the cab itself is NOT repairable it ripped the back passenger door off the hinges and bent the door jam towards the back glass and the bed the front passenger door still opens and closes fine but the outside handle was also ripped off I don’t wanna get rid of the truck if I can rebuild it. I have a clean title insurance is going to deem it totaled since it’s an 04 and labor is not cheap so that being said can I get a donor cab , swap all my interior and put my Vin number in the new cab and Use my driver door and put my door jam sticker on the new cab ? Technically the motor, trans, frame, would all still be the same just not the cab and the rear passenger door. Is it worth it? What would you do
You have to use the vin from the body, it is illegal to remove a vin tag. You can however talk with the local county clerk on this issue and they will tell you your best route
Short answer… NO. The two cars mentioned may someday resurface and be restored even if the only thing left is the area where the tags are, and if you stamp numbers on a car that would be illegal, especially when the person who buys the physical cars goes to get titles and the department of motor vehicles sees that the numbers are being used, that would I’m sure prompt an investigation and someone would most likely loose their car. But I’m no expert on that, but I’m sure you could reach out to the county clerk and they will say the same thing
What about a military HUMMVE and you HAVE ALL of the purchase papers from one of two auction houses that sell them? They have a nonconformal serial number to that of the modern manufacturers?
HERE IN SD if i want to put a 1933 chevy truck body with NO IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS "IN THE DMV SYSTEM" on a modern frame, all i need is the bill of sale's for the body, the frame, the engine, and the axles. the DMV will send a state trouper to inspect for stolen parts, and issue a title with NEW VIN!!!
I have a video where I did this with a 1955 f100 and they don’t send trooper anymore, they have a guy come that knows where all the numbers should be and if he don’t find any he gives you a new number and title right there
If your car is registered in Mexico you don’t even need insurance, emissions controls, inspections, or even a drivers license. You just get waived on through. 🤪
I have a 1968 Cutlass convertible 442 that my dad was rebuilding before he passed away its been sitting for about 12 years i can't find a VIN number or paperwork for it anywhere do you know if I can get a VIN number for it im in California
There are hidden vin numbers in that car, the VIN on the drivers side on top of the frame in two places. One was just behind the torque box area of the frame on the side rail under the drivers area, and the other was on the top of the frame behind the rear kick up area of the rear axle. Neither are visible without removing the body from the frame or using a dentist type mirror with a light.
Living in NY i cant imagine this process bring this easy at all! Im sure it would take several thousand dollars, multiple trips to DMV(sitting in line waiting each time), a blood sample, DNA swab, childs first tooth, mothers maiden name, & 73 other things necessary to complete this process if it is even possible here. I don't even know if it is possible to do here. I know Vermont was the place to get plates from literally anywhere but i think they stopped that 'loophole' recently. Anyways nice mustang man! Cant wait to see it all done. What motor is going into it, Coyote 5.0, or Godzilla 7.3?
Well the one in the shop on other side is coyote swapped but idk yet what I wanna do with this one. The cost of everything is so high it’s hard to get too imaginative
Actually NY is really not that bad. As long as you have all the documentation and the state inspector feels that it is all there you are good after inspection.
If there are numbers then yes you can go that route but it’s quicker if you get someone Togo to clerk with you to sign a bill of sale over to you in front of the notary
here is an example to study: you have a titled, registered . and licensed 80's square body chevy , crew cab, dually 1 ton with a long box. its your daily driver. you park it and remove the cab and bed to do a restoration. you buy a 65 passenger school bus with a totally mechanical diesel engine, lets say it is a DT360A and you remove the body to use as a storage shed. you decide to set the cab on the bus frame and make mounts for it. then set the bed and mark for center of axle location. move the spring hangers, springs and axle as 1 unit to the new location, and drill and bolt them in. then you decide to swap in a set of Rockwell 5 ton axles and a transfer case to make it a 4 wheel drive. lower the bed, hook everything up etc.. as long as the highest point on this truck is under the maximum legal limit, IT IS 100% ROAD LEGAL, AND IS STILL AN 1980'S CHEVY SQUARE BODY TRUCK!!! NO NEED TO EVEN TELL THE DMV YOU SWAPPED EVERYTHING!! IF YOUR STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE A YEARLY "SAFETY" /SMOG CHECK, YOU CAN ROLL COAL ALL DAY LONG AND BE TITLED AS A GAS BURNER!!!!!! ALL 100% LEGAL!!!
Right… also it is illegal to remove your catalytic converters… but… if you do a body swap with a car built before emissions you can legally remove them, crazy ain’t it
Actually to all you Sally’s out there “VIN number” or “VIN” is correct, because “VIN” is the proper, given name in capital letters, one can refer to the “VIN”, as a number also.
@@tvp1571 What are you talking about? Are you illiterate? Re-read my comment and let’s see if your comprehension skills are better than most 2nd graders and then get back to me, because you obviously don’t get it.
I'm glad you said your in Tenn-. Because in the communist state of Cailfornia you start off going to the DMV with your paper work & a big blank check in one hand and a large jar of Vaseline in the other hand. Then it goes down hill from there.
All vehicle in North America has a VIN by the dash panel so you can see it through the wind shield. Do they give you a plate with the vin on it or can you order a vin plate from legal after market company?
Mustangs do not have a vin at the dash, they have a stamped one on the front inner fender apron and a body tag on the top of firewall and a tag on the door. This is if there is no vin at all, if you have vin numbers you need to apply for a title not vin numbers. It takes awhile but you can get a title for your car through the county clerk
@@1194video Well I am 54 years old and i learned something new. I thought all cars sold in North America had to have vins on the dash. That old saying is true, you are never to old to learn something. Thanks for the correction.
@@1194video Yes I knew that. I had a 1958 Ford F100 short box truck. I really miss that truck. I had quite a few really nice older vehicle until I got married. I say no more lol.
For all the naysayers, this is perfectly legitimate in every state. You can do many cars made before 1955 the same way since most of those cars were never made with vehicle identification numbers or a title. Many times, they will be titled as a custom vechile with the current year build date.
I don’t get it. What is the inspection for? Just to ensure it’s not a stolen vehicle and there’s no previous VIN? Looks like you’re passed without being complete yet. Just a body. Is it common to do that? To get a VIN and title to something that’s not a car yet?
Correct. To verify whether the vehicle is either OEM or shop built and to visually lay eyes on the vehicle that the owner is requesting a VIN and state issued title. On vehicles that are clearly OEM they want to look for original VIN on body and frame. If none are found they can issue a reassigned VIN. For vehicles that are verified as a shop built vehicle and not OEM, they will be assigned a new VIN and the title and registration will reflect as such. Shop built vehicles are NOT OEM vehicles and therefore their values will reflect that.
They make sure it’s what you say it is and check to see if it’s all paid for parts and not stolen, the reason I did this before finishing the build is so it’s easier for them to inspect the car
So do you have a video on how to redo a vin on a car without a title? I have come across a few cars the would be good projects but are so old they have no title.
If they have existing vin’s you can file the fin with the county clerk by doing photos and rubbings which you put a piece of paper over the numbers and run pencil over it and take it to them to file for a new title
@@1194video I have passed a a few older car because I wasn't sure I could get a title for them. would hate to spend the money on a shell I wouldn't be able to do anything with.
The main reason is I want everything on this car to be new, and show that it’s new rather than an original vintage number car, whoever buys this car once complete will be able to watch the entire build and see that they are getting a new 1967 mustang with 1 owner vin numbers
For sake of conversation, a vin swap is an illegal. That being said you are looking to use the new reproduction body to “restore” the original project car.
@@1194video thank you for taking your time to explain that and share videos. Your videos are awesome. I’m totally blown away. I’m in NJ and I’m just thinking the last thing I want to tell NJ MVC is that it’s a new car. Their inspection bs is brutal. I’ve subscribed.
If im building a car from scratch I'm picking my own vin number! It would be based on the models original vin so it makes sense. I don't care if its starts with a G for Georgia. Example G22F67FM G=Georgia, 22=2022 build date, F= Ford, 67= model year of body style, fm= fastback mustang, next would be the factory digit of the engine in it...ect. If ford used a 6 as a code for a super charged 302 in 2016 and I used the same engine that would be my next number and so on until I ended in my last two initials and 01. I would put my number in all the places there supposed to be, let the police run a check on my vin number then take everything to the dmv. If they don't like it the can put a sticker on the door jamb also but your not changing my vin number! No state tells any other manufacturers what vin numbers they will be issuing. If they try with you thats discriminatory with no basis to impose such a rule on you. Police check whatever vin is visible with a description to insure it is not a stolen, duplicate, or destroy vin number. If the number the check is clean they write the visible vin number on the paperwork and then the dmv cannot change that because that woud be fraud. Car, boat, trailer, lawn tractor, it doesnt matter. If the manufacturer /maker puts a vin number on it the state cannot change it. They can only assign you one if it doesn't exist. Pretend it's your child and give it a name/ vin number Sounds like you already have a good relationship with the inspector just tell him what your doing and why. You get past him the dmv will have to record whatever he witnesses as a existing vin number on his paperwork.
@@randysummerhays4168 they used screws up til I think the late 50s but on a 63 I would think it should have the cup plugs that rivet it to the body, the body data tag that is under the hood will be screwed in and not riveted.
When we get this vin….vin number controversy ironed out can we move on to people who say hot water heater (You know who you are) they need to be STOPPED!!!!!!!!
A couple of points here. 1. A hot water heater does in fact heat up hot water. A tankless water heater, heats up cold water to be hot but a traditional tanked hot water heater maintains water at a certain temperature, So it is heating up hot water into hotter water. The only time it would be incorrect to call it a hot water heater is the very first time you turn it on since it would be heating up cold water. It would be grammatically correct to call tankless and instant water heaters "cold water heaters" and tanked water heaters "hot water heaters." 2. "Vin" is the name of the number. When somebody says Vin number they are referring to the number "Vin" they're not referring to the abbreviation for "vehicle identification number" which would be spelled "V.I.N." If the person said give me the "V" "I" "N" then they would be audibly abbreviating "vehicle identification number" and it would be grammatically incorrect to add the word number after that. But when somebody says "Vin" number they're not asking for the vehicle identification number number they're asking for the number named "Vin".
You will not need a smog inspection if the vehicle is a 1975 year model or older so in the case of our 1967 mustang, we are in good shape. Even in California.
@@ajsgarage6802 In Calif- it's a new built car. My be a 67 mustang but you built it in 2024. So it's required to have 2024 Smog & all the safety BS. Thanks to our Great Governor.
@@benpeirce2531 Man you people so jealous of us in california like to lie lie lie. California has a law that up to 500 cars can be registered as the year they look like even if brand new. A 67 mustang looks like..........here is comes, get your head out of your ass now....a 67 mustang, so it's titled as a 67 mustang. Only 500 cars a year. Back when the law was passed, they ran out of 500 quickly until all the hotrods got new titles, now nobody builds cars anymore, so not even close to 500 a year are titled.
In Mo you get laughed out of the dor office would be a nightmare at Highway Patrol dot inspection office to get new title it’s a joke vin verify by Leo
It is reproduction body panels to build a mustang not straying from the Origional design by ford, every part is an exact ford replacement. The only way it would differ is if it was not OEM replacement such as fiberglass-etc
@@1194videoyes the car was built using all brand new reproduction sheetmetal. And yes it does look like a 67 or whatever Mustang. But because this car was not built by Ford, in their factories in 1967, with a Ford issued Vin number. It cannot therefore be titled as a Ford.
@@ericpetz5831 Dunno what to tell you, he mentioned in another comment that he's already received the title paperwork and they wrote it up as a 68 ford mustang. They've got to put something on the manufacturer line and it's technically a home-build, but they decided it's a 68 ford for their purposes, so there you go. Since the VIN they issue is gonna be a TN-xxxxxx number it's not like it's counterfeiting an original ford or anything.
@@carpespasm read my comment again. Yes the DMV issued a state of Tennessee vin number, which they do for any homebuilt car, bike, trailer, hotrod/custom built vehicle etc. And yes it may say 68 Ford Mustang on it. But because this is technically a home/custom built vehicle, with it's a repop body and everything else being aftermarket (aka new build). The title will more than likely have the body manufacturers name on it as well. So on a new build, with a aftermarket built body. And let's say said body was built by Dynacorn. Then the state issued title will probably say something like Dynacorn 68 Ford Mustang, on it, or something similar. To differentiate the repop Mustang, from the Original Mustang.
Once you do this, your car is now part of the British Corporation : US Corporation....which is now bankrupt and deceased. The Constituion / Common law does not require licensing unless it is a commercial vehicle.
Under law though to use the state built highways, built by our tax dollars you must pay a tax and have a licensed vehicle that is up to the state DOT codes with your sticker on a tag to prove it or they can seize your car. But if you have info on this I’d love to read it. Please share here. I’m always interested in learning something new
Give the Clerk a Copy never the Original Document, they’ll just Microfilm it and Shred it so you can’t it back, you’re giving up Ownership of Your Property and giving it away to the State then the State gives you Certificate of Title or Lesser Title as a Charge taking care of The State’s Property now, Your Automobile is a Household Good as Your Private Property, you’re Signing up for Commercial Use like Uber, Taxi, Pizza Hit when you do all that DMV paperwork! I would just take it in for a DOT Safety Inspection and you’re done! It’s a Ruse from the Private Dealership Transaction into a Public Domain when people Finance a car, why doesn’t the MCO/MSO go the Bank or Finance Company so you can Own the Automobile at the end of payments?! Hmmm? That how the State drags You into Commerce as their Tax Cattle!
You do realize it’s the same thing right. Like DMV means department of motor vehicles if your watching the video I assume you know what VIN stands for.
Like I said, it's not the same thing, you called it a Vehicle Identification Number-Number. That's as wrong as calling an ATM an ATM machine or a water heater a Hot Water Heater. Semantics. Vernacular. Simple and still incorrect. You wouldn't call the DMV the Department of DMV. Come on man, you're a car guy, you can do better. Your response could have simply been, "You're right, I guess I never thought about it before."
@@1194video Bro, he's right. "VIN number" is redundant. The "N" in "VIN" *_stands_* for "Number" so when you say "VIN number" you are essentially saying "Vehicle Identification Number-Number."
A title is a certificate of ownership, the bank can only be a lean holder against at a title if you borrow against it as collateral. If you default on payments then yes the bank then can own it.
@@1194video look, I'm with you all the way, but by making your "road machine" into a "vehicle" makes it an item in commerce, and subject you to all the regulations thereof. The GOV owns it if you register it "into commerce", that's how they can tell you how to use it. You don't get a title, you receive a "certificate " of title, that means it exists, it was destroyed, and take our word for it. Don't have to do anything for my horse and carriage, or my horseless carriage; I e. My model T.
I live north Carolina, I had title Ohio title for this car, the VIN # on this car was on passenger side floor board, which had rusted away, so my Ohio title no good, NC made me get car inspected by state, get appraised, get bonded for 1 1/2 times appraised value, this cost me $ 1,500.00, they NC issued stick on VIN number, new specialty vehicle 1940 Chevy. It was a long process and long lecture about could be a large fine or prison time, because VIN # not on car. I finally got vehicle legal. NC not like old cars, they also put big cost for property tax on car I have to pay every year. I would not recommend what this video suggests.
The Cabal’s control of the US legal system began with treacherous legislation called the District of Columbia Act of 1871. · Even after the Revolutionary War (of which both sides were financed by the King of England), the ‘United States’ had never declared Independence from Great Britain, or the King. · America was a British Colony, while the United States was an independent business Corporation that existed before the Revolutionary War. · American Courts were ruled by Great Britain under International Maritime Admiralty Law. · American Courts were overseen by Administrators who enforced Statutes and Codes. · If you retained legal counsel in your defense, you were automatically assumed by the court to be a mentally incompetent ward of the court. You could not use the U.S. Constitution (1873) to defend yourself because you were not a party to it. “The People” did not include you and me because America was a British Colony.
Tennessee for the longest time has been pro car enthusiast but in states like where I live they are anti anything ya want or need to do legally. Pennsylvania likes to create folks as many problems as they possibly can.
