How to Grip a Handgun. Robert Vogel, Field Notes Ep.50 

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The twerking the wrist inward was new to me. I never did that and when I did implement it. The S&W M&P 9mm I was shooting didn’t move at all in my hands. It’s a technique that no one really talks about.

Same here. Tried it today. Made a big difference.

You're telling me dude! This had me so confusing last night. I was rotating in towards the front baffled how one can grip a gun THAT tight. Gotta do down and in.

Agreed. I like this dude.

It has been 2yr. of focusing on using this technique and it has made such an improvement for me, but it is limited on the style of grip that I use. Grips that have a shorter distance between front and back strap seem to me to less affective. An example is the Sig P320 X Compact vs the Wilson Combat grip module. Same can be said for Canik vs S&W M&P line up. I can see why this grip technique is so effective with the Glock’s grip angle. It applies more preload pressure to the top of the back strap and downward force to the front strap that is more inline with the forearm. Great for a Glock. You just need to modify the angles to work with the angle of the gun you choose. Great video.

I’ve linked it to so many people. I’ve watched it dozens of times.

But it isn't though. Everyone is just copying everyone else without putting any intellectual thought into it. Not one person that has told you how to hold a gun, knows a damn thing about hands and fingers. This is a stupid way to hold a gun.

@@m4rvinmartian I guess an 11 time national shooting champ knows nothing about grip😂😂🤡

Mostly because this guy is a master at what he does.

How was the class, was it priced high?

My best advice is watch Lucas Botkin from Trex arms or Larry Vickers for shooting tips and advice. IMO it's almost impossible to really understand what Bob is actually doing. It's probably one of those things where you have to have him instruct you and see what you're doing wrong in person. But Lucas has some awesome videos that I think anyone can understand. This is a GREAT vid: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wqLKmVxb4WY.html

Well that and making sure that your trigger pull is center and doesn’t sway your gun one way or the other. There is a difference between squeezing and pulling but it’s subtle. Before my dad ever let me fire a round he loaded up a magazine with those red “dry fire” bullets. They have no charge or projectile but they give the gun a similar to loaded weight and something about the firing pin for repeated dry fire. Anyway he made practice over and over until I would rapid fire without me moving the tip of the gun. I was young so he only let me practice supervised. When I got to the range none of the other people there believed it was my first time shooting a gun. I wasn’t hitting bullseyes but my grouping was tight. My dad has that target framed. I still have it. All 15 rounds fit inside a folded dollar bill. So it’s a square. Because he did that I fell in love with shooting because I saw a reward for my hard work. I was a kid so my grip strength couldn’t have been stellar. I was ten or eleven. As I got older and started collecting guns I found that I loved rapid fire challenges at different vectors. You should try it if you haven’t. It’s a blast.

I have figured out that just like a golf club I can over grip a pistol. If I go more than 50% grip my sights move in weird directions rather than up and down.

Mythbusters did an experiment about this and it's pretty impressive. They stitched some chicken together to simulate a hand and it was nasty. Not the type of thing you'd do twice.

I suffered from this when shooting for the 1st time. It’s was a 357 and without knowing any better I rolled my support hand to high and got burnt. I think they called it blow back. Part of my hand went numb and I actually thought I blow off some fingers. I didn’t know what had happened they just said I turned ghost white.

Lmao coach Taylor

Holy shit! You are spot on with coach Taylor!!! Now I can’t see anything else

You sound like a lot of fun to hang around with.

I did the same thing, he seems 15 years older here 🤯

I see that your comment was a year ago and taking that in consideration, perhaps you have found the grip & stance technique that works for you. Massad Ayoob makes a great point about everyone's hands aren't the same (size mainly), as is how ALL OF THE DIFFERENT handguns on the market vary greatly in size that directly involves the size of grips. Shooters that have (or carry) more than one type of pistol, might need to modify their grip for each accordingly. Your comment, as well written and technically accurate as it was, tells me that guys like you and me will benefit from not over-thinking it, but focusing on the principle of safely controlling recoil. Different techniques work for different shooters.

If you are doing it right, you should develop a blister on your middle finger (aka Glock knuckle). Some try to modify their pistol to reduce this point of contact to make it more comfortable; however, you then loose that aggressive point of contact on the gun and the control it provides. So what do you do? I suggest dry practicing 15 minutes about 5 days a week with a full strength grip and shooting at least once per week. You want to slowly develop a callous there that allows you to put lots of pressure without blistering. If you are going to do a lot of shooting 500-1000 rds per day (say for a training class), use tape on that knuckle to protect the skin as needed. There is a rubbery durable foam tape that you can wrap around your knuckle as needed to practice. I can tell you that Bob Vogel does not reduce the corner on the trigger guard to avoid Glock knuckle and has the largest Glock knuckle callous I've seen from doing lots of dry practice and live shooting.

Of the people I see hold it like that, they tend to not be able to control recoil very well, especially when rapid firing.

Look up Eric Grauffel, Jerry Miculek or his daughter lena.

@@timc6026 and Yong Lee

@@pnwadventurist Angus Hobdel ,These guys seem to shoot pretty good!!! LOL

If you got BIG ass hands

g34

It is a Gen3 G34 with the following changes: 4 lb. FP spring with 3-4 coils cut off Extra power trigger spring, with spring tab bent to increase tension more About 0.007" cut off the FP lug Trigger breaks at about 1lb. 10 oz. with very short reset Federal primers, because they are the most sensitive 3.2 Titegroup 147 gr. bullets Quite a bit of "loving" honing and polishing Vogel sights with a 1.220" tall front sight and red fiber optic. Piece of skate tape super-glued to bottom of back strap to keep hand high on back strap I'm sure there is more, but this is all I know. His guns, other than springs and sights are very stock!

Correction: Front sight is 0.220" tall.

Thank you for all of your instructional videos Bob. We obviously haven't met, but I know that you know my father fairly well.

Yes, some people will have to modify this grip technique slightly because of differences in their hands or pistols. Most of the best competition and combat shooters use variations that are contradictory. But, they basically use the same grip as in the vid.

They definitely can be. /watch?v=4B-5CtUDXxs

I took a class with Robert this past summer. He did some shooting on-the-move, and he was just as effective. His footwork is surprisingly explosive, too.

This is how it should look ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cgAvEX8tTq4.html

@@justinballard7242 yeah im more comfortable with ur grip Randy I notice ur thumbs ride higher on the gun unlike robs his left thumb comes down and covers the trigger guard. I wasn't about to shoot effectively then I brought my thumbs up higher and they sit almost flush with the top of the slide

​@@justinballard7242 it says this video is unavailable