How To: Honda CRF300L/Rally - Rear Preload Adjustment

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How To: Honda CRF300L/Rally - Rear Preload Adjustment
After my first ride on the 2021 Honda CRF300 Rally, I found the suspension to be pretty soft and bouncy, particularly on the rocky lanes of the Peak District. There's no adjustment to the fork, and the rear shock has only preload. The suspension on both the CRF300L and the CRF300 Rally is the same, and though this video only looks at the CRF300 Rally, the same process applies to both versions of the bike.
This video is me attempting to measure the suspension sag of the bike (with mixed results) and then adding two full turns to the rear suspension pre-load. If you already know how to adjust suspension, just skip to the end. Suspension videos really aren't that interesting are they!
00:00 Introduction
01:45 Measuring
05:00 Lots of hammering
07:22 Conclusion
#SpoilerAlert one turn = 5mm of sag improvement, but there are only two turns I could make, and even after that, it's still running 150mm/260mm of rider sag.
This is the Motion Pro Sag Scale I've used:
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Suspension upgrade recommendations are welcome (and needed!)
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@ringonotts 3 года назад

Very informative thank you. I've got the CRF300l on order. It's dissapointing to say the least that Honda have done this. Subbed!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, and thanks! More to come.

@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 3 года назад

Got 1 month ago crfl(not rally) $8700 pissedas just dropped over $500 lol typical 2,000km but soft suspension. On the road it's awesome and dirt I'd not flying. Straight up I'd buy it again in heart beat though if that helps

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 seems a popular conclusion! Nice bike, cheap enough, could do with better suspension, still fun though! Ride safe.

@stevebelton2408 3 года назад

Great review thanks. Mine is on order and hopefully arriving in Shropshire in April. I am 1.93m (6ft 4in) and 110kg in all my gear so will be watching your progress with interest.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Good luck sir! I think you’ll definitely need bar risers and probably something done to the suspension. Nice riding in Shropshire, perhaps see you out there sometime.

@stevebelton2408 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Cool. I have joined the TRF so hopefully will be able to join some of their rides. Looks like you have as many bikes in your garage as I have in mine. 3 at present plus 1 in NZ.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@stevebelton2408 I joined the TRF too, though it’s a bit quiet at the moment with good reason. I’ve a few in the garage, my 3, plus my wife’s bike and a I have a project XV1100/R6 tracker as a work in progress. It’s a non-runner so doesn’t count as a bike. Ask anyone 🤣

@stevebelton2408 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles the tracker will be fun. We will have to meet up when the Rally arrives

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@stevebelton2408 absolutely! Covid permitting of course. Happy to do a couple of lane swap days. The 29th and beyond can’t come soon enough. We had snow again this morning...

@wrh152 2 года назад

Many thanks. Just got my CRF 300 Rally. Bottomed it when stationary and will be changing the suspension as a priority. Great bike though.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Yup, they do that! (Or at least mine did!) I think if you’re under 70kg, then a turn of the preload can limit it at the back at least. It is useful to ride it stock though, so at least you appreciate the change when it’s upgraded. Have fun, I’m sure you’ve been waiting a while. I’ve had mine since March 1st and it still makes me smile whenever I ride it.

@philmorrow2446 3 года назад

Honda working to a budget again. I've seen a few guys reviews using the yss shock and it seems to be a good shock for the money. I still think it's and excellent trial bike to begin with so anything you do to it will just make it a whole lot better. I'm following with interest to see how it goes as I'm getting fed up with bike bikes. Just want to bumble about and take the odd holiday/camping trip. Keep up the good work.👍

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, but I suppose for those that aren’t really bothered, I’m sure the stock is good enough I’ve heard good things about the YSS too, so it’s on the list. I’ve a pair of YSS shocks for my XV1100/R6 project bike which I really should get to at some point. Though the suspension is budget, I still think it’s a lot for the money, and there isn’t really anything comparable in the UK at the moment. Even with upgraded components, it’s still good value. Though as I’ve bought one, I’m bound to say that 🤣🤣🤣

@anthonydendle4768 2 года назад

Not sure if its been covered in the comments but I found it easier to adjust by lifting it up so rear wheel has full sag/droop on a center bike lift/jack , just have to make sure you get the front tied in place so you dont bump the bike and it falls over , or get Mrs Peak to hold onto the bike 👍 Always enjoying your videos well done keep them coming 😊

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Thanks Anthony, yup, that does make it easier. I know that now 😁. It's all a learning experience. I have an abba stand, or if that's too much effort, I put the front wheel in a chock in addition to the MX stand. Ride safe. Apologies for the delay in videos; I've had a busy few weeks with other things, but should be back on it from next week. Rally Raid rack and two options of pannier racks, plus some more luggage. Maybe!

@CoachSteve4u 2 года назад

Great info. Thank you.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

You are very welcome Steve. 2022 Season 2 will resume in Feb with more content

@matthewpreston5634 3 года назад

Interesting video. Thanks

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

You're welcome

@thomasuk1511 3 года назад

I am 6 ft 6" 'and weigh 100kg. My 2020 250l with the stock spring FULLY wound up for max preload still have about 55% dynamic sag! I have just fitted a YSS 180NM shock - what an improvement!! It's spot on now. Thanks

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Brilliant! I know several people have had the same experience. Did you do anything to the forks?

@thomasuk1511 3 года назад

Just worked out how to reply 😊 . I have left the forks alone, it rides so much better now. Feels more "planted" on the dirt tracks. Went for the 180NM spring\shock - glad I did now. Thanks

@thomasuk1511 3 года назад

Ment to say, when you have loosened the top locking ring, you can usually just grab and turn the spring anti clockwise and the bottom lock ring will just turn with the spring. Ware a work glove for better grip.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@thomasuk1511 yup. Dave suggested the same thing. I tried it and it would move only a few mm, even when up on the stand. Not sure if it’s a 300 thing or because I was near the end of the thread?

@thomasuk1511 3 года назад

Sorry, just looked at the photo of my YSS spring- it's 160NM NOT 180NM. Brain melt 😐

@adamzadro8216 3 года назад

Great review! I own a 2018 250 rally and had both the forks and rear shock re-sprung and re-valved. WOW!!! what a difference it makes both on and off-road. I only weigh 75kg but the standard suspension was still way too soft. The suspension upgrade was expensive ($1100 Aussie dollars) but I got the bike second hand at a great price so the extra $$ for the suspension was well worth it. I can ride with luggage off-road and get a little air bourne over some terrain without bottoming. :) There is also much less fork dive when braking on the road too!

@Michael_Mears 3 года назад

Adam, where did you get suspension work done?

@adamzadro8216 3 года назад

@@Michael_Mears Here is the link. They are based in Mulgoa (Sydney) www.shocktreatment.com.au/

@Michael_Mears 3 года назад

@@adamzadro8216 Yeah, good one, thanks.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Thanks Adam, it seems like a popular trend for riders of most weights. It's just a shame that despite the known problems with the 250L that they couldn't have put a slightly stronger spring on the 300L. I can't believe it would have made that much cost difference. I shall get used to what I have (like I have a choice when no one is making 300L upgrades yet!) and look forward to the days of less brake dive and not bottoming out. Ride safe.

@adamzadro8216 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles yes I’ve always wondered what the cost difference would be if the manufacturers simply changed the spring rate?? However the 300 has improved greatly over the 250 in all other areas, I’ll hopefully get one when my 250 gets a few more Klms on the clock

@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 3 года назад

Got 300L normal 1 and still soft as fk. I expected better but first bike so I'm still loving her. Thanks for showing me to stiffen rear a little

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

It is, but a bit of preload helps a lot. Especially if you're lighter than me!

@jondotcom8706 3 года назад

3 full turns here at 200lbs. I’m at around 40% so the bike is under sprung. It’s also under damped in the rear, so you (we lol) need to replace the rear shock!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@jondotcom8706 I have a Nitron R1 on order which will be here in a couple of weeks. 😁

@ianbray3580 8 месяцев назад

Hi I weigh around 101 kgs and with the preload wound up it’s fine I’m 63 don’t ride hard anymore just enjoy the trails

@PeakMotorcycles 8 месяцев назад

Yup, then I’d just ride it stock. Many people do.

@eyemanm6045 9 месяцев назад

good video

@PeakMotorcycles 9 месяцев назад

Thanks

@sausagesandwichSA 3 года назад

Yes body weight has a lot to do with it. I'm only 80kg in my riding gear and the suspension is fine, it's soft but there are also benefits. Depends on your use I suppose. For me with light weight luggage I can manage multiple day camping trips no worries. May consider a suspension upgrade if I were to do any desert trips where large amounts of fuel and water are needed. 👍

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, thanks for the feedback and that makes perfect sense, not sure I'll get down to 80kg in gear in the near future though! Useful feedback on how it performs with camping gear too as I'm sure that's useful to the other watches. After nearly a year of lockdown or similar, a desert trip sounds like nirvana! I'm hoping to get down to the northern Sahara in October, Covid permitting, but it's a fair old ride from the UK. Ride safe!

@davidroberts7490 3 года назад

Although as long as it helps you enjoy the bike thats all that matters 🙂 Looking forward to hearing your feedback on motorway speeds !!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, that is key. As for the motorway speeds, that was my 'first ride' video, also posted. To save you having to watch it, 70mph in 6th was fine. Not buzzy, just enough wind protection and the bike felt very stable. 'Someone else told me' (obviously!) that the bike struggles to get to 80mph, and won't do 90. At least not when new. There are rumours about a perceived change in engine mapping after 150 miles which might give it a bit more. I'm not there yet to know but will see what happens.

@davidroberts7490 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles ah, sorry maybe I already saw that but I will happily watch it again

@davidroberts7490 3 года назад

Just watched it again. I am sure you are right about the gearing making an improvement. It will be very intetesting to see the difference once you get some miles on it. If you ever think about changing tyres, I have tried Michelin Anakee Wild and Mitas e07 on my Rally 250, both excellent on and offroad

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@davidroberts7490 would you pick one over the other? It’s more rocky than muddy round here, though it does do both. I’d also seen the TRF Motoz Extreme Hybrid promotion which looked interesting. I’ll probably wear down the stock tyres before switching but always interested to see what options there are.

@davidroberts7490 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I think I would probably go for the Mitas, also because they don't cost much online. They do e07 and e07 plus. At the moment I have an e07 on the front and an e07 plus on the rear but that was due to an availability issue at the time. However it seems to be a good combination

@brianwest5348 3 года назад

This is interesting! I'm considering the rally, but i'm at 250lbs. so i'm not sure now. I'm in the U.S. and will not be able to test the Honda right now, but Kawasaki is having a demo day near me and will have the klx 300 to demo. It will be an on road demo though. I can't wait to see how it goes with your bike. Cheers!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I guess the challenge is if you could have a KLX300 today, or a CRF300L in 4 months... We're not getting the KLX in the UK, so it's an easier choice. I'm sure whichever you pick will be great.

@brianwest5348 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I'm in no rush. I Have a kawasaki versys 1000 (2017) and a 08 Honda goldwing. I was just considering replacing my versys with something more off road capable and light. I'll keep watching. Thanks

@riggers7480 8 месяцев назад

Hi, great series of videos I've just discovered - I'm thinking of buying a CRF300 Rally. Whose stand is it you feature in this video?

@PeakMotorcycles 8 месяцев назад

It’s an Abba Skylift (I also have their Superbike Stand) abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=sky-lift&pid=44

@Paul-tj5dz 3 года назад

Nice video! I got a 300 Rally myself. Please do a video on how to install handguards on this bike.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Funny you should say that 😉. New bars went on last night and test ridden today. Zeta handguards are in the post and I’ll record it. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.

@Paul-tj5dz 3 года назад

Saw that coming! ;-) Are both ends of the original bar empty or would you need to drill holes to mount handlebars?

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@Paul-tj5dz both ends on the standard bars have a threaded insert for the bar end weights. To fit handguards that plug into the end to the standard bars you would need to get those inserts out. It looks like there are additional holes drilled for a pin from the inside which you’d need to remove to get them out. I think this is a lot of work for the stock bar.

@infernalcontraptions 3 года назад

My Rally 300 arrived last Friday. This is really interesting - thanks! Did you see the other video where the chap made a new spacer (1cm) to add the preload he needed? Also wonder if you’d considered Hagon? Cheers and keep it up 👍🏻

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Good work, how are you finding it? I hadn’t seen the spacer video, do you have a link? I’d consider anything that was available, Hagon or others, though if I’m going to get it sprung and valves for me, I’d choose a local shop over mail order. There’s a few near-ish, to me, Mick Gardner Racing in Barnsley, Kais in Atherton and a bit further afield Brook Suspension in Bradford, so the brand would probably come down to what they can supply. Brook do K-Tech, Nitron and YSS, Mick Gardner and Kais do Ohlins. Not sure if there’s a Hagon dealer nearby, so unless there was a really compelling reason to choose it, I’d pick local over brand.

@infernalcontraptions 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles because I live in the Channel Islands, my only option is really mail order - which is why I’m watching you like a hawk... I’ll find the vid and send the link.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@infernalcontraptions thanks. I had a look on Google and searched RU-vid. I know someone with access to some fabrication tools so might be able to knock something up.

@infernalcontraptions 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles yes, I’ve got a small lathe and was thinking of making a few spacers of different thicknesses to try. To be honest I’m not sure why Honda didn’t just use a longer spring to provide more adjustment, but then what do I know🤔

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@infernalcontraptions yup, that would have been good of them. 😁. Still, maybe because the fixed or improved a lot of the other things, we still look for flaws! I put a third turn on my preload last night so the static sag is down from 70mm (26%) to 55mm (21%). It’s still double where it should be, but if 1 turn of the preload nut=5mm of travel, and the ideal would be to get to 26mm (from 70mm, assuming the adjuster goes back to the stock position) then the spacer width would be equal to 9 turns of the nut. If you can measure the thread pitch and multiply by 9, that is probably the starting size for your spacer.

@galactics1108 3 года назад

Please post as many riding videos as possible

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Will do as soon as I can. We have a national lockdown in the UK until the 29th March, so essential travel only until then I’m afraid. We also had snow yesterday which is not ideal 🤣. I’ll be out at again as soon as I can.

@galactics1108 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles ha don’t get yourself in trouble, but if you are out of milk take the bike ;) good luck with the lockdown

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@galactics1108 we have a milkman for milk! We had a few nice days and did some gardening, resulting in a few minor scrape and cuts. We also ran out of plasters (band-aids I think across the pond) so I was sent to retrieve some and some other groceries. Food shopping is fine as an essential journey under the rules. Perhaps I could have taken a slightly more direct route home, but this lockdown has been long, and when there’s an opportunity, one should make the most of it!

@galactics1108 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles take advantage of every opportunity you get! Remember you only live once, I’m sure u we’re glad to get out for a minute

@momchilyordanov8190 3 года назад

Very useful. I'm a big and heavy guy too and this is pretty disconcerting. The price of the bike is nice, but realistically, I have to calculate an expensive upgrade to get the real price.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I’ve put three turns on the preload and it’s made a world of difference. It’s still undersprung for my weight, but a lot better than it was from the dealer. See if you can test ride one. I’ll probably do the fork springs at some point, which is relatively low cost. Then we shall see. Good luck

@fredlemon4881 3 года назад

I had my 250 rally suspension done by shock treatment in Sydney using the racetech solution. like a different bike now night and day . I had mine setup for Enduro.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Perfect excuse for a visit to Sydney! Though I expect it's a bit of a pain to take the bike in my luggage. I'll look up the Racetech shock. So far I've not found anywhere that has a proper CRF300L shock. A few people have had fettled 250 shocks fitted, but given that it's a new frame, swingarm and suspension travel, I'd rather wait for the right one rather than fit something too soon as a workaround. I don't expect I'll be doing any enduros on it, but some more compliant road manners and less bouncing on the trails would be awesome. Thanks for the feedback!

@fredlemon4881 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I sent my suspension through Australia post.

@infernalcontraptions 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Bikerzbits in Thailand is doing YSS shocks for them. I bought the tail tidy and rear rack from them and the box arrived within a week (to the UK). I was very impressed.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I’d seen that. It looks like they have one without a remote reservoir for £300+ delivery and one with a remote for £500+ delivery. I can’t find any reference to the CRF300L on the YSS website, and with the delivery cost + potential import costs, it’s a big outlay if it’s not quite right. The Ohlins with a remote reservoir for the CRF250L is about £550 in the UK, so probably less than the YSS would be from BB. I can wait 🤣. I’ve only had the bike for a week a mind 5 days!

@infernalcontraptions 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles to be honest, firstly it’s a brilliant fun bike for the money but secondly I’d always intended to use it as a base canvas as I love to fiddle! You’re completely right of course - we’d best run them in first!😂

@jthelakes147 3 года назад

I have heard that Rally Raid have a new CRF300 on trial , so they might be producing some suspension improvements. Otherwise have a look at CRFS's only in the States and BikerBitz in Thailand if you want an alternative to Ohlins.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Thanks. I thought RR would come up with something. I'd previously looked at their 500X upgrades as an alternative before buying the 300L. BikerBitz have a few things out already (racks and guards) so I'm watching that space. Thanks for the suggestion. Ride safe.

@davidroberts7490 3 года назад

I think that if you fit a unit with a progressive spring or just a progressive spring on the original shock the sag should be calculated differently

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, that would make sense. I guess that would be described with the spring in terms of how to 'weight' the sag at the different points of the spring compression.

@HW-kf7hi 3 года назад

A hyperpro spring swap is the cheap option. The chronicles of mr fish show him replacing his on the 250 and all the fun he had doing it but on a budget that looks the way to go to avoid a big outlay.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, makes sense. No news on a Hyperpro spring yet for the CRF300L. I saw Mr. Fish's video and it looks like he got a good result. I'll probably wait and see what comes to market first, and what the price is... Though given that we've had a lockdown or high 'Tier' restrictions in the Peak District for most of the last year, we've not done any travelling, and the only option has been work... so though under other circumstances the budget option would be ideal, I'll see what the big outlay looks like and decide. The Hyperpro is looking like £85 for the CRF250L one, so a significant saving over the £300 shocks and massive over the £500 ones....

@iainharris8087 2 года назад

Andre, how easy is it to access the preload adjustment now that you have the Nitron shock installed? I'm wondering whether to go for the hydraulic adjuster option to make it easier when I ride with and without luggage?

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

It is about as impossible as it was before. I'm not sure there is a hydraulic adjuster option for the Nitron R1 though. I did ask when I was ordering mine and was told that it wasn't available. I said that I thought that was a miss, as I think it's needed, but that didn't make one appear. I thought there was a fitting on the shock where it would go, but then some kind soul told me that was the valve for refilling the shock, and not a pre-load attachment point.... if you get one, I'd be interested to know where it goes. Good luck!

@AngryPepper1964 3 месяца назад

Excellent video Andre, could you please share where you got that bike lift? That’s exactly what I’m looking for, something small and efficient. Thanks much.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 месяца назад

It came from a company called Ghostbikes, but I’ve seen the same sold under other names too. Mine is this: www.ghostbikes.com/5213-5213-black-pro-range-b5213-adjustable-mx-lift-stand.html

@AngryPepper1964 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much, it’s a great price too. I appreciate it 👍

@wokeupandsmellthecoffee214 2 года назад

Interesting presentation Andre. Can I ask how tall are you because I tried sitting on a CRF300L Rally in my local dealer and both my feet/legs were dangling I couldn’t put either foot down, I’m 5ft 7” and saw another YT video where the rider in the USA was same height and he didn’t have any problem.🤷🏻‍♂️

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Hi, I’m 6’1” with a 33” inside leg. Probably another inch for my boots. I rode the bike stock for the first 500 miles or so and it did soften up a little. I’m surprised that they said someone else had no problem. Maybe one foot on a peg and a toe on the ground on the other side. On the plus side, you do have a few options; getting a 405mm ‘asia spec’ rear shock (outside Asia, the shock is 415mm. This 10mm difference makes for a 40-50mm lower seat height) and dropping the forks half an inch in the triple clamps should get your feet down comfortably without having to resort to a lowering link.

@enduromotorradtouren 3 года назад

Perfect method to sort out the suspension. Trouble with the CRF seems the spring. It's way too light, as you stated. What are your plans now? Change the spring only or go for a full YSS? Might depend on another ride where you can test the CRF's damping qualities. Perhaps in full gear, with luggage and maybe a pillion? Cheers from Nürnberg/Germany, Günter PS: What roads do you usually ride? I use lighter springs for my Beta Alp 200 (solo riding, no lugage, technical stuff), but firmer springs for my old Honda Transalp 600 PD06 (solo travels, little luggage, dirt roads). These bike are a comprimise. As fully road-legal allrounders they can't compete with specialists.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I had considered just doing the spring, but the damping is not great, so I think I’ll replace the shock. I’m trying to find the limits of the stock one, so I’ll ride for a few weeks as it is. As for the replacement, I think I’ll get a get a shock from Nitron. I spoke to them today and when I have a riding gap, I’ll send them my stock shock to measure and test, and then have a shock made up for me in riding gear at the ‘softest’ and +20kg for luggage. I don’t think I’ll ever take a pillion, I have three other bikes which are far more suitable for that. Until now, mostly on road with the occasional dirt road on a R1250GS with and without luggage and occasionally a pillion. It has the electronic suspension and just sorts itself out quite well. The CRF300L will be mostly ridden on roads from where I live to Sandy and rocky trails that are a few miles away. The TET passes near to my home and is a mix of farm tracks and rocky gritstone and limestone trails. I don’t expect the CRF will be like an enduro, but the trails are shared with walkers, cyclists and horses, so at those speeds it’s fine.

@enduromotorradtouren 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles TET round the corner is a treat. I'd love to go to Eastern Germany, solo with tent, but no, not allowed during the pandemic. Let alone TET Friaul or Slovenia. Well then, I have to discover tracks near Nürnberg during day trips. There are lots. I hadn't known that. So thanks, Mutti, for making me stay near home;-) Some tracks your could actually call TET, but I'd rather have some mountains to climb. Like you have in the Peak district. But then, for these specific roads, difficulties and speeds your CRF 300 would be perfect. And quiet and inobtrusive, too - concerning horses, walkers, doggies, mountains bikers.

@eliodimacali7077 2 года назад

Just making sure on how to increase preload: First, you loosen the top ring counter-clockwise then tighten the lower ring clockwise? Thank you.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Yes. When you’re done, tighten the upper ring clockwise again so it’s up against the lower ring.

@leesilas 2 года назад

Do you have an after video of your opinion of how this change affected the riding of your crf-300 L rally? Did it make it better or did it just make it more bouncier?

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

I didn’t but I haven’t yet found a good way to demonstrate suspension in a video. The changes are generally to handling, traction and feel, which I can talk about, but visually aren’t demonstrated. With the preload on it was better, but yes more bouncy and I was still bottoming out the rear from time to time. It also reduces the static and rider sag, so perhaps the geometry works a little better, but it wasn’t noticeable. I’d suggest to anyone to ride it stock and see what you think. Then add pre-load if it’s needed and ride again. If it’s bottoming out, then I think a new shock is better than just putting in a stronger spring. The other problem is the forks, and for front end impacts, that is more likely to show up the bikes weakness for heavier riders. They weren’t available last summer, but the new valve kits are pretty good and seem to be a good middle ground between just springs and the cost of new cartridges. I hope this helps!

@bradb2514 2 года назад

I’ve been following your channel for a while now. Great stuff! Mega! Well now I have my own (300L) and have a question regarding setting sag. I hear you talking about measurements of travel. How do you know what that “goal” measurement should be? I’m likely 190lbs with gear and no luggage.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Hi Brad, I think the total rear suspension travel is 265mm or thereabouts. I’m sure other opinions are available, but I think the ideal is 10% static sag and 30% rider sag. Or to put it another way, lift the bike from the frame so the wheels are off the ground, and measure from the centre of the rear axle (or something near there from which you can take a repeatable measurement) vertically up to a fixed point on the seat. The helmet catch might work for this. Note this number. Then lower the bike, and when upright, the measures distance should be 26.5mm shorter. Then sit on the bike in gear, in a riding position, ideally feet on pegs (but don’t fall off!) and have someone measure the distance once more. This time it should be 79.5mm shorter than the jacked distance (This is the rider sag). What you’ll find is that measuring to the mm is really difficult, but see if you can get as close as you can and then go for a ride. You can measure the same on the fork, axle to a fixed point on the upper for the same. 10% static sag (just the weight of the bike) 30% rider sag.

@bradb2514 2 года назад

That’s extremely helpful, thank you! As soon as I can bribe “my” lovely assistant to help me I will give it a go! I’ve made my own measuring stick so I think some arithmetic will be involved. This is my first small dual sport type bike and I am a complete newbie to everything including the terminology. (My other bike is a GS that I use to tour the States.) I appreciate the help and, if you don’t mind, I may have future questions. Thanks again!

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

@@bradb2514 no problem at all. My other bike is also a GS. I’d like to think they are complementary. Then again, so was the CB1000R 🤣

@bradb2514 2 года назад

Ahhh, you’re spoiled, mate! 👍

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

@@bradb2514 I know, my lovely assistant is extremely tolerant, though after the CRF arrived, the house rules changed. It used to be a ‘one in, one out’ rule, but I was great at the first bit but not so hot at the second. The rule is now ‘One out, one in’, which is sort of the same, but I need to make space before anything else turns up. I think that’ll be swapping the CB for a CCM Six in the spring.

@BicepsAndBikinis 3 года назад

What’s the service intervals on your bike? I know that the first one is 600 but when are the others? Thanks and like the videos!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Hi, according to the book, it’s 8000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first. Though if you’re pushing hard off road a lot, perhaps earlier is better?

@BicepsAndBikinis 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles thanks 🙏

@africanpenguin3282 Год назад

Honda just seems to be notorious now for somewhat criminally suspension

@PeakMotorcycles Год назад

These bikes are made to a budget. A low one. I guess it’s a relatively easy thing to upgrade and whatever they fitted stock wouldn’t work for anyway. And yes, it’s not very good, unless you’re under 70kg, in which case it’s just adequate.

@garethowen61 2 года назад

Just rewatched 👍 interested in getting a bike stand for the Rally, which one were you using in this video please?

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

I had to watch the video again to check (I have 3 stands that I use) this one is from Ghostbikes: www.ghostbikes.com/5213-5213-black-pro-range-b5213-adjustable-mx-lift-stand.html There’s plenty of similar ones available with different branding but I think they are all essentially the same (though there’s one or two which go a bit lower)

@garethowen61 2 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles thanks very much! Maybe see you at the NEC

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

@@garethowen61 maybe! I’ll be there Monday and the second Saturday I think. Might be around first Sunday and Friday afternoon too depending on how the travel works out.

@biscuitsalive 2 года назад

Do you spin the top disc down to meet bottom one after bottom preload disc is in correct position?

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Yes. Having the two together locks it off.

@biscuitsalive 2 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles sweet thanks. Very useful vids on your channel. Going to do preload today. (300L) But prob need YSS shock soon. (Now my confidence has gone up and I’m riding faster on the trails.)

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Nice. Good luck with it.

@ZbyszekN23 Год назад

Hello Andre, mamy thanks for sharing your upgrade works on the HONDA CRF. I have one questions herę. What make is this motorcycle stand your were using? I am asking since no center stands I can get in my country is lower than 31 cm, while the ground clearance at my Honda CRF 300 L is only 28 cm. Can you tell me where you have bought yours?

@PeakMotorcycles Год назад

Hi, I use two. For quick things (and for lifting it high enough for the Skylift) I use one of these: www.ghostbikes.com/5213-5213-black-pro-range-b5213-adjustable-mx-lift-stand.html For anything more involved, I use a Skylift (or Superbike stand) from Abba: abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=sky-lift&pid=44

@marcotalenti2310 3 года назад

Hi, I have a crf 300 L, I would like to buy a lift stand, I saw that you put the stand under the cup, is the bike stable? I see that the front wheel touches the ground, I would like some advice, thanks.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I think the L is better than the Rally on a stand as it can go directly onto the bars. On the Rally, the plastic bash guard makes it less stable. The lift is ok, for light work or chain maintenance, but I think a front wheel chock would be safer to keep it stable. I hope this helps.

@canaanlange523 7 месяцев назад

What jack / stand are you using? And do you recommend it?

@PeakMotorcycles 7 месяцев назад

I have a few. For this video it was a Ghostbikes hydraulic lift. It's perfect for maintenance and small jobs but not stable enough for bigger jobs. It's one of these: www.ghostbikes.com/5213-5213-black-pro-range-b5213-adjustable-mx-lift-stand.html

@drof2th 2 года назад

To make the shock firmer, do you make the shock spring compress? It seems like you let the spring expand??? Confused. Thank you! Ron

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Yes. I compressed the spring. When viewed from the top, I turned the nut clockwise. Is that what you meant? e.g. If a spring can compress by 15cm with 150kg on it. (And it’s a linear spring), each 1cm will be compressed by 10kg. If you can add 3cm (so compress the spring by 30kg) but keep the shock the same length then you’re essentially starting at the 30kg compression point but with all the travel still to play with. That’s probably not a great explanation but Google Hooke’s law and it’ll be better. Maybe.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

If you knew all that and were just asking which way I was winding the nut, ignore me 🤣

@drof2th 2 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Thank you! I did seem logical to compress the spring a bit!

@spiffcats 3 месяца назад

Im 6.3" and 165lbs, I find the suspension stock to be perfect. It doesnt sag too much and I have yet to bottom it out. However I will be loading it up for a road trip shortly, and being able to adjust it and make it a bit more stiff is excellent, thanks for the tutorial.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 месяца назад

You’re welcome. Have a great trip.

@DaveDayve 3 года назад

Great video, I did this to my 300L yesterday. Gave it around 3 turns I think. I'm 76 kilos. And did the trick. 2 up will be a tad bouncy. I think your feet shouldn't be touching the ground to check yr weight sag. Prop it by the wall. I could be wrong

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Hi Dave, you're right, feet should be off the ground, but with lockdown and the fact that we're not allowed visitors, (and I don't have a convenient wall), I opted for 'just' balanced while the measurements were taken. If anything, this gave a slightly positive result, but given the measurement was already off the scale, I'm sure it would only be 1-2% worse with feet fully off. Good to know there's a third rotation to do. I'll have a go at that. I was concerned that getting to the end of the thread and hitting it with a hammer might split the lower lock ring... Good to know it's working for you at 76Kg, a few others had asked how it would be for Mrs. Peak Motorcycles. She agreed to do it, but we need to find a way to keep the bike upright as her feet are 4" from the ground on both sides...

@DaveDayve 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I found that turning the spring with my hands I easily managed to lower it when Un locked. Forgot to mention before. Mine's a 300L not the rally

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@DaveDayve awesome! Did you jack the bike up for that? Perhaps my hands are too big... or there’s some extra bodywork on the Rally that limits access. I shall have a go and report back.

@DaveDayve 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I popped it up on a stand similar to yrs. Just stuck my hand in from the wheel side and another at times from under side panel. I didn't think about what I'd do if a hand got stuck in to be honest 😮

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@DaveDayve I expect if I get stuck, someone will come out eventually! 🤣. If you never hear from me again, send help!

@simon7123 3 года назад

think you will find yss shock and spring will do the trick it transformed my bike especially if your doing a lot of off-road .i am only 78kilo and off rd it was way to soft but now its a different bike real good .firefox racing Yorkshire andy s your man he will adjust preload to your wight pluss your kit wight another good video

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Thanks Simon, sounds ideal, though I’m not sure that travelling from Derbyshire to Yorkshire counts as essential travel. (I mean it obviously is... and why would it not be 🤣). I’ll give them a call and perhaps book it in for after the 29th when ‘international’ travel is legal one more!

@simon7123 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles he posted it to me just give him your weight

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Just spoke to him. Really helpful. Custom YSS shock with a heavy spring for around £400 (£350 for those that need a lighter spring) posted and the highest rated fork springs with oil for around £70. I think I’ll ride it with the preload for a bit first to get used to that, but it sounds like a useful way to improve it.

@thomaswayne7149 2 года назад

I got abs too

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

We don’t get the choice over here all bikes over 125cc have to have abs in the UK.

@waynemartin2544 3 года назад

Have you found the actual specs for the spring itself? It would be nice if a thin inner spring couls be added but I haven't seen anything like that in my searches.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I’m sorry but I haven’t. There’s nothing published in the Honda specs and don’t have the means to measure it. If I take it to a shop to get the replacement done, I’ll see if they have the means to measure the existing one and will publish the results.

@abraraniz9286 2 года назад

I have backride sir and it bottom in rubber dump is it ok that my rear suspension is touching the rubber dump???

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Hi, rubber dump isn’t a term I’m familiar with, but do you mean it’s bottoming out/reaching the limit of the shock? If so, it’s not really ok, as any impact beyond that isn’t my being absorbed. If it’s happening a lot, I would definitely try adding preload, but ultimately, the bike is sprung for someone around 70kg in gear so if you’re more than that, and especially if you’re riding hard, then I’d think about a firmer spring or a new shock. Good luck!

@worldhello1234 3 года назад

Are those HRC decals stock?

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Mine came with the bike, but not not on it. They were in a plastic bag in the tool box.

@FnuMnuLnu 2 года назад

What is the tool you used to crack the rear spring nut loose? Is there an alternative tool I likely already have in my garage?

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

A screwdriver will work as well as a drift, just mind how you go hitting it.

@FnuMnuLnu 2 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles thanks. Saw some reports that a flathead may cut into the notches, I will just play it safe. Thanks for the content and response!

@1964mjc 3 года назад

I am all the way on and only weigh 82/3kg with all gear - snack it full on and you would still be way out of spec ... you will need heavier spring. Minkyhead (your build) recommends the YSS rear shock

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, there’s a few options, YSS were the first but a few more now available including Hagon and Hyperpro. I’d like to do some touring on it, so a more accessible preload adjuster would be great. YSS do one, but it comes at a price, so I’m waiting to see where the prices settle when there’s a bit of competition. Also the heaviest YSS spring is 105kg, so will see if there’s anything else that can be built for me, with gear and luggage.

@canaanlange523 7 месяцев назад

You knocked the first ring around anti-clockwise. Did you say that you adjusted the drift by turning the second ring the other way, clockwise?

@PeakMotorcycles 7 месяцев назад

The first ring is locking the second ring, so they have to be separated. So first I undid (anticlockwise) the upper ring, then the second ring clockwise to increase the pre-load, and then did the first ring clockwise again to lock the second one in place. I hope that makes sense.

@wilshirewarrior2783 3 года назад

How much more would a heavier spring cost for Honda at the factory? Honda has always been responsive to customer concerns and this one is too big to ignore.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, though I guess they plan for who they think will buy it more and aim for that… the soft spring makes it low too which makes it more accessible to those of shorter legs. I’m hoping to get my Nitron R1 on this weekend.

@superman242242 3 года назад

Being as I’m only 135 lbs at most do you think the suspension would be okay ? I wouldn’t be doing any super hard off road or hitting jumps . Service roads mostly with some low speed rocky muddy sections

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I expect you’ll be fine! At least it’ll have the right spring rate. The stock damping isn’t amazing, but for what you described I’m sure it’ll be more than adequate.

@superman242242 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks for the reply ! Cheers

@shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960 2 года назад

Best idea... is to lose weight I have to too... I have one on order it's coming in October right now I weigh like 212 lb getting worried about the rear spring

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Yup. I wish you every success. My success varies 🤣

@noshorts6076 2 года назад

Mine comes in October too! October 29th!

@Spandex08 3 года назад

The suspension is the second thing that worries me... also the height, when off road sometimes you have to stand and for taller riders ( I am 184cm) the dimensions of the bike seem too small, I dont know if I can find very tall bar risers or even if its possible to install them.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Hi, I’m 6’1” which is about your height. Stock is too low. I’m currently running 20mm fat bar conversion risers, but I’ve also tried some 50mm SW-Motech risers and there’s enough play in the cables, without modification, for those. Best thing is to try one if you can. I’m comfortable on the 20mm ones, though perhaps 30-40mm would have been better if I could find them. Perhaps 20mm and a bar that is 20mm higher than stock is ideal? Suspension is more a weight thing and riding style (perhaps?) but again, see if you can try one. I’ve done over 600 miles on mine with stock suspension and it’s got me through everything. This upgrade is definitely a luxury!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

And there’s probably a video on RU-vid for installing 50mm risers and a Renthal fat bar 😉 if you want to see what that looks like and how tight the cables are.

@joelskii22 Год назад

what stand is that?

@PeakMotorcycles Год назад

It’s an Abba Skylift. abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=sky-lift&pid=44

@Fogbrush 3 года назад

Any other sad people out there who thought "oooh - a sag meter, I want one of those"? Nope - just me then. But I'm still going to order one ..... in blue!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

You are not alone! Of that I am certain. Though for the CRF300L, I suspect that mm accuracy is a bit of a waste 🤣. I’ve a few other bikes that I’d like to set up properly, and, well, it’s a metal folding sag meter, and we’ve been in lockdown for a long time 🤣🤣🤣

@bridgettebumknee 3 года назад

You can make one,,out of anything,,,plywood

@bridgettebumknee 3 года назад

Old yardstick

@Fogbrush 3 года назад

@@bridgettebumknee But Eric - don't you know that fior men, buying new tools helps to maintain health. It's like shoes for women.

@edking755 3 года назад

With the added preload, can you feel any difference on the road? Does it raise the seat enough to make mounting & dismounting "different"?

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Can’t say for the road yet (stupid lockdown!) but I’ll see if I have a reason to get out at the weekend. Getting on and off, it’s very slightly higher, less than 1cm though and the spring rate remains the same so barely noticeable. Update to follow on road handling. Reports from others are that it does make a difference.

@Michael_Mears 8 месяцев назад

Our measurements, without changing the bikes from factory: Static sag 63mm Rider A 77kg 130mm Rider B 94kg 140mm That's with all riding gear, but no luggage. I think we'll get a YSS MZ456 for each bike, one 80-95kg for her and one 95-110kg for me. See how it goes.

@PeakMotorcycles 8 месяцев назад

Yup, that makes sense. The sag aside, the stock damping isn’t great so anything is an improvement and the YSS shocks are good value. Not sure where you’re located but if in the UK, Hagon are worth a look too and are about the same price as YSS and can be spec’d for the weight you require.

@Michael_Mears 8 месяцев назад

@@PeakMotorcycles It's all good. I'm in Australia, and the YSS is pretty easy to get.

@TheTurkeyRanch 6 месяцев назад

My bike only drops 2 1/2 inches from kickstand to holding up . And drops 5 inches from my weight and I can barely touch the ground in full gear I’m 230 pounds / 104 kg . I’m 5’10 with 32” In seam . My legs are tall. My shock doesn’t bottom out over jumps or bumps and it’s stock . I don’t understand what the concern is ? They say the stock shock doesn’t perform well and the bike doesn’t handle well . I have no issues ? It appears my Preload was set up properly for my weight from factory . As a lot of RU-vidrs are saying most shocks are set up for 150 pound riders on average .

@PeakMotorcycles 6 месяцев назад

Lucky you! I'm not familiar with what others are saying, but my personal experience is that it was bottoming out, so finding a way to increase the pre-load was one option but ultimately I replaced the suspension.

@claretbuck1882 3 года назад

👍🏻

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I managed to get a third turn on, so another 5mm, and then someone mentioned they had done 4... So perhaps I need to try again.

@claretbuck1882 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles might just get it to a sweet point for you bud 👌🏻

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@claretbuck1882 That would be great. However for me, I suspect the bike isn't the only problem!

@RA9gaymore 3 года назад

Does the engine ride like the old XRs or is it revvy like a crf 12,000rpm ? Thanks

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Hi Ian, Not one I can answer I'm afraid. I've never ridden an XR, so someone else will have to comment on that. My first bike was a very revvy DT125 two stroke where there was nothing below 7k revs, then pick up to 12k, lots for 2k revs and then it was like hitting the brakes. The CRF300L is nothing like that. Even at a slow thud there is a fair bit of torque, and at a more practical measure, at 30mph, it'll pull me and the bike up a 15% hill in 5th gear. I hope this helps. Best option is to test ride one and see what you think. Good luck.

@RA9gaymore 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks the XRs were old school long stroke thumpers Producing usable level of torque

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@RA9gaymore I know what they were, despite my youthful looks 🤣🤣🤣 I’m really quite old. I wish I’d had an XR for the comparison, though I am reliably informed we are now on a one in one out policy so if I want one, something else has to go! I mentioned the DT125 as it’s my only reference point for a revvy bike, and the CRF is nothing like that. What I don’t know is how the CRF and XR compare. I expect the XR is more of a thumper...

@RA9gaymore 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles XR old school thumper, Air & Oil cooled kick start, 100% bullet proof. I Now have a CRF 250X which is a revvy little bike & very capable leccy start & a lot lighter

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@RA9gaymore thanks, the F, I understand, is also a lot less revvy than the X. And heavier, and with a detuned engine with ‘lazy’ service intervals. The 250X is a pretty awesome bike though!

@mountainbearoutdoors 2 года назад

I really want to get one of these bikes but at 130kg that is going to be dragging the floor!

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Aye, that's a little more than stock was designed for. Though I was not far off that in gear last summer and rode it for 600 miles before upgrading the forks and rear shock. Now that's done it's pretty good. It unfortunately comes at a cost...

@Bman4life28 2 года назад

I can't release the lock ring they're so stuck together they both turn together. Anyone else had this issue?

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

Both turning together is better than neither turning at all! One option would be to take the shock off the bike, clamp it, and then turning each separately might be easier. The more caveman approach would be to see if you can get one of them held against the direction of travel of the other and then hit the other with a drift and hammer…

@thomaswayne7149 2 года назад

You're a pretty heavy guy then I know a professional dirt bike rider tried the bottom this bike out specifically at a track and he couldn't now I'm only 125 lb and he wasn't much bigger than me so I'm going to say he was 165 with all his gear on

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

165lbs in gear is pretty much who the bike was built for. (I think that’s about 75kg) so yes, it shouldn’t be bottoming out. I guess you don’t have to do much to the suspension if you’re lighter. Lucky you!

@marekonbike9291 3 года назад

Need to check the 300L for static... Wonder how much it will differ from the Rally

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I guess there's a slight difference for the extra weight, though much of the weight (screen, bodywork, tank etc.) is towards the front of the bike, so probably has more impact on the fork sag than the rear.

@marekonbike9291 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Agree. Also I already preloaded mine so just want to check the static soak...

@Skatafossy 9 месяцев назад

The chain seems very tight 🤔

@PeakMotorcycles 9 месяцев назад

Oh. It seems to be ok. That video was a couple of years ago and other than routine servicing and adjustment I’ve not had any problems.

@alupangguam7560 Год назад

Prime example of function following form. Like a cringey Harley, the CRF's flashy and "racey look" impresses the noobs for show but it's a no go. Not only is the suspension a complete fail from the get go, the stock exhaust is just plain black painted steel which will rust quickly. The KLX300 is the 300 to get with its good usable suspension and stainless steel exhaust.

@PeakMotorcycles Год назад

Except the KLX300 doesn’t meet European emissions regulations so isn’t available here… this is a shame. Honda have the only real dual sport like this for sale. I agree on the suspension, not sure about the exhaust. I’ve replaced both, but there’s plenty of folks running stock exhausts for over a year in damp climates and it has yet to rust. Is there a waiting list for the KLX300?

@jamocerwin5841 3 года назад

Pilot’s weight?

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Way too much 🤣 with gear, about 125kg. Yes I should go to the gym more. 🥳

@jamocerwin5841 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles 🤣 ok ok 👍🏻👍🏻That's featherweight!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@jamocerwin5841 yup. Sounds good. Dinosaur feathers right?!

@willyd-adv 3 года назад

Great video but please get your hands on a shock spanner. So much easier and less damaging

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I know, but there's hardly any room to put it and even if I did, I doubt I'd be able to turn it. The pre--load was very much a one off, so please excuse the abuse it was given this time! I can only apologise...

@willyd-adv 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles yeah I watched another video after and saw there was very little space, so all is forgiven 😁

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@willyd-adv steady 🤣. I’m sure Honda make a special tool just for adjusting it. All it costs is one kidney and your first born 🤣

@Terry-Tibbs 3 года назад

You need to change to a heavier spring

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup. A diet would also help, but let’s start with the spring 🤣

@RawtenstallBagSnatcher. 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Thats the cheapest way.

@jackloganbill605 2 года назад

The problem with a heavier spring is the rebound dampening might not be up to the task, off road, whoops...don't want the rear end pogoing over the front.

@kalidell3137 10 месяцев назад

I’m 150lb so 68 kilograms and it’s alright but I’m literally half the bikes weight so idk 😅

@PeakMotorcycles 10 месяцев назад

Yup. You should be fine. The only thing you'd gain would be better damping, but if I was your weight, I probably would have stuck with the stock suspension. Maybe put one of the cheaper YSS or a Hagon shock on the rear after a while. Lucky you!

@mikehagan4320 3 года назад

None of what you are saying matters. In the U.S. you can't even get your hands on this bike as they are few and far between. So while I have tried to buy one. I will have to buy another model or even brand of bike for my planned trips this year. So this bike for Me has turned out to be nothing more than a Disappointment. I don't buy a bike every year. In fact I bought my last bike in 1996. Best Wishes! M.H

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Sorry to hear that. At least you have lots of options. We don’t really have any dual sports in the UK other than the 250L, no KLX, no WR, no DR. I guess I got lucky with this one. They’ll sort out their supply chain eventually, but it sounds like it’s already too late for you. I know it doesn’t matter 😉. It is only RU-vid after all. Ride safe!

@mikehagan4320 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles my Frustrated comments came from total disappointment. Not that your video wasn't Good. Back in 96 I couldn't get the then new Honda 400. So I bought a Kawasaki 650. The 650 was a great bike but too much for my skill level. My timing seems to be off on these things. But Yes. Life is Still Grand and I have lots of neat Choices. I Do Hope You Lucky People who are able to get the Honda 300 Good Times and Safe Riding! Best Wishes! M.H.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@mikehagan4320 no problem at all. I completely get the frustration. May something turn up.

@paulduncan3214 3 года назад

Perhaps it is designed for the Japanese/Asian stature .

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup. I’m half Indian, but balanced out by being half Austrian. Born and raised in Yorkshire though, so I’m clearly confused. Either way, I’m guessing I wasn’t the target buyer. ‘Still, I’ll make do and am enjoying the bike! Better they make it for the target market who can use it as stock and make the exceptions upgrade if they want to.

@craiglagden3608 3 года назад

Fuck that shit, just fucking ride it!!!!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I’d love to. National Covid lockdown in the England has been in place since Christmas, which has limited any riding. Restrictions start to lift from today, so I shall follow your advice. (If you’ve had enough from a couple of minutes of RU-vid video, just imagine the torture of having it there and not being able to ride it!) Thanks for the feedback though.

@craiglagden3608 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles here in Australia, out in the middle of the arse end of nowhere, me and mates have been still out riding in the restrictions on the old crf's. No time to be worrying about fucking covid, so fuck it, keep the throttle wide open.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@craiglagden3608 🤣. We had snow again on Saturday. 15C today and snow forecast again on Easter Monday. Being out in the middle of nowhere in Aus sounds pretty amazing. We’ve been in various stages of lockdown for 9 of the last 12 months and I’m beyond bored of it now. I’ve a trip to Romania (riding from the UK) planned for July, and though it’s not cancelled yet, it is looking increasingly unlikely. The best hope for sanity is getting some local riding in over the summer and I’ve a tour to Morocco and the northern Sahara in October. Assuming that can happen, I promise no more boring garage videos 🤣. Ride safe, you are lucky indeed!

@valentinursu1747 3 года назад

I'm sorry but there is no disappointment on Honda to be had here. Max weight on the CRF300L is 160kg. I saw it written on the left side of the bike when I ordered it. That's 160kg for you, pillion and luggage. If you are 125 out of that 160, no, it's not practical have a pillion, not unless they're 35kg... with gear. It's a 152kg bike, it's cheap, it's light, has a small engine, it's for young beginners. It was not made to be ridden by someone that can afford Schubert, Rukka and a lot more hamburgers than it's healthy for them. You can't buy a cheap adventure bike and expect it to carry the weight a BMW GS would. Honda didn't miss a trick, you're not the target for that bike.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Thanks for your feedback. I don’t plan on taking a pillion, I quite like the bike, it’s a lot of fun, and I enjoy riding it a lot, even at my age, experience and perceived interest in hamburgers😉. There’s plenty of older, and more experienced riders who have bought one and had a similar experience. It isn’t a GS, but I have a GS for that, and the GS isn’t a CRF. As for it not being made for someone who can afford certain brands, I’m not sure what to make of that. I don’t think they are related, but each to their own. I just like riding motorcycles and don’t think of any bike as only for a certain type of person, or not for others. That seems a bit prejudiced don’t you think? Ride safe, and have fun. I will 😉

@valentinursu1747 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Prejudiced? Most products in this world are made for a target consumer, it's not prejudiced, it's great to be able to buy something more tailored to your needs. This product was made for people in emerging markets (It's been launched in Thailand 6 months before it was available in EU) where people don't get to 125Kg. For developed economies, the target of the 300L Rally is younger people who do not afford a 700Tenere or a 850GS and also did not have the time an money required for proper hamburger accumulation. Honda designers did not have a 125kg guy with expectations "trained" on Schubert and Rukka in mind when they made this bike. The "mark" you said they missed was not even on the map. You bought a cheap adventure bike, adapted from a dirt bike, it's good you enjoy it, you can say it's not for you because you're too heavy for the bike, but criticism should be reserved only for not doing something that would be reasonably expected to do.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@valentinursu1747 thanks again, and your opinion is valid, for you. As is mine for me. They just happen to be different. This is also fine. There is a difference between a target market or making a product for a particular purpose, (which is not prejudice), and you telling me that it is not for me because of my age, experience and choice of clothing. Surely each person can choose what they like regardless of being the target market or not? I can only speak for myself and what bike I think is right for me. You appear to be telling me that my bike is wrong for me, and wrong for people who buy certain products, or are a certain size weight and experience. Also that because of this my opinion is not valid or wrong. Anyway, best of luck with your own motorcycle choices. I fully support you with whatever you choose to buy and ride, regardless of your age, experience, choice of clothing or food consumption. I also appreciate you do not extend the same courtesy to me. This is unfortunate, but I’ll be ok. Thanks for watching and ride safe.

@thynetruly 3 года назад

Could you do a follow up with your girl on the back? I might weigh a lot closer to her (55-60 kilos)

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Hi Noriko, Yes absolutely. She said fine, though I will be in trouble if weight is shared on a public forum, though how it works for her is definitely more useful than my measurements! I assume you mean with her as a rider rather than her as a pillion? We'll do a short video of it this evening, and I'll put it up on Instagram if that's ok?

@thynetruly 3 года назад

Yes, thank you, I'll look forward to it

@SUBT0TAL 3 года назад

I was horrified watching while you were smacking the crap out of that lock nut, why didn't you put it back on the stand to take a bit of tension off?

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I’d tried that too, didn’t really make any difference. It was lots of lighter taps rather than smacking the crap, if that helps? My apologies for the horror. It was not intended. Bike, lock nut and I are all ok and made it through safely.

@SUBT0TAL 3 года назад

😂 fair enough, I had to do the same job on my 250 rally when I first got it, I managed to do it with a c-spanner though, I loved the 250 rally and it noticeably opened up after 1000 miles, a 13 tooth front sprocket livened the acceleration up all through the gears, eventually changed it for a Ktm 640e but this week I’ve put a deposit down on the standard 300l, all the improvements should make this bike a great dual sport for green lanes & TET , just looks like the suspension is the only gripe, oh and no led headlight & indicators here in the Uk ! unfortunately no idea when it’s going to turn up yet though 🙁

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

It really is a pain to get in there. A fellow called Dave posted that on his CRF300L (non-Rally) once the lock nut was loose, he could reach in and turn the spring to adjust the preload. I tried it on mine and it wouldn’t budge (even on the stand). I didn’t get my hand trapped either which I was very pleased about 🤣. Are you sure about the LED? I know there’s no LED headlight on the L, but I was surprised that my UK spec Rally came with all LED indicators. Have fun on the TET. I’m a mile from the section round Castleton and am planning to ride a few days in each direction to see how far I get. Agreed on ‘everything better except the suspension’ on the new 300’s. Still, if that’s the only gripe, then happy times. Good luck with the new bike and ride safe!

@SUBT0TAL 3 года назад

Well I’d been studying the 300l’s pictures on Honda’s uk website and they show normal indicators, I had noticed your’s has the led indicators on your first look video so I presumed it was a Rally perk. Funny enough the uk Honda website also shows standard indicators on the 300 rally .I’ve just checked a RU-vid uk 300l video and he has got normal indicators on it , it’s not a deal breaker though they will get smashed off sooner or later on my bike anyway 🤣👍

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@SUBT0TAL seems like a daft thing these days. I can’t imagine that LED indicators cost any more than the filament bulb ones. Perhaps even the opposite. I also think the Rally is sort of a different bike rather than an upgrade, so things like indicators should be common across both.

@stefangeernaert1970 3 года назад

This rear suspension is even weaker than my 2019 crf250L🤫

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

If it helps, everything else on the bike is good or great! 🤣 perhaps they know that the riders are all different shapes and sizes so decided to put something cheap on and let them decide what to replace it with!

@stefangeernaert1970 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I'm going to wait another year to buy the 300 ..... Have already bought a new model several times and each time teething problems ..... It is Honda but still ....

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@stefangeernaert1970 makes sense. It’s lots of small improvements, but if you already have the 250, waiting for them to fix any early problems sounds ideal. Happy to provide the service finding the early problems!

@stefangeernaert1970 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles Model 2022 = maby a LED LIGHT😉?? I also tested the BMW 310gs ..... in 2018 ..... It was not controllable on wet cobblestones ... 'Cheap build ....

@mikeschlup5279 3 года назад

Ohlins 2 to 1...

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

That predictable?! 🤣🤣🤣 I already called two distributors nearby, sent Ohlins an email and a DM to their Twitter. No reply so far. I fear that the bikes haven’t made it to Sweden yet, and with the updated frame, new swing arm and longer travel suspension front and back, that the 250 suspension will be close, but not the same. Hopefully they have something in the pipeline as the stock shock really is pretty poor. Let us see....

@mikeschlup5279 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I had a set made for a 77 rm 125 I built for racing and they work excellently...worth every penny!

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@mikeschlup5279 excellent work! I previously had one of the last non-electronic Triumph Speed Triple 1050R’s with the full Ohlins TTX, and it was just brilliant. It made the fancy pants semi-active electronics in my GS seem a bit rough. There’s an Ohlins race shop an hour from me, so will be paying them a visit when they confirm parts availability. I’ll probably get the Duc scrambler done at the same time... (it also has shoddy stock suspension...)

@DaveDayve 3 года назад

Try Hagon shocks , British 299 sterling. Totally re buildable

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@DaveDayve thanks! I did check the Hagon website and they don’t have one for the CRF300L listed. I expect I’ll go for a shock with a spring for my weight and with an remote adjuster, ideally from a local (ish) workshop. There’s a couple of places within 90 minutes ride of here, so I’ll see if any of them can do Hagon shocks.

@RAT.MAN. 3 года назад

You are forgetting that this is a Budget bike built for the Asian Markets Not a Dakar replica

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Yup, I agree entirely. I'm not expecting fancy adjustable damping, an accessible adjuster, or even a high quality shock. But I think having an appropriate spring rate for the stock bike isn't a Dakar replica requirement. To put a slightly heavier spring on at the factory would be minimal, if any incremental cost. The fact that the static sag from stock (regardless of rider weight) is 27% is also unsuitable for the Asian market. This has been an issue with the 250L that they haven't addressed (when they managed to sort many of the other weaknesses, even though still working to a budget). It's also misleading when they report the new higher ground clearance, when in reality you lose a quarter of that from the off and most riders (even those in Asia) will only have half to play with when riding. I've already bought the bike, so if anything I should be shouting it's virtues and perhaps glossing over the shortcomings, but then, I'm sure I'd get called out on that, and quite rightly so. Ride safe!

@busboy3232 3 года назад

Hey if Honda is gonna cheap out and give us the non LED L they can atleast throw a stiffer spring in there for us.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@busboy3232 that would have been great 🤣. Maybe we should just have to be happy with the things they have fixed. I’m sure many will get by with the stock, even with the undersprung suspension. If you’d never ridden a bike that was properly set up, you’d never know!

@Fogbrush 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I get that it's designed for the Asian market, where most riders will be lighter than the average "Falang" - but the version of the CRF in Thailand has lower suspension, so when they made the higher suspension version for the UK market, it's a shame they didn't also fit a stronger spring. Having to swap the shock on a brand new bike seems wrong.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@Fogbrush yup. 100%!

@2shoestoo 3 года назад

You could visit the Gym a couple days a week that would help.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Absolutely, except I live in a national park and there are no gyms. And even in the towns and cities in the UK, all the gyms have been shut for most of the year due to covid. I tend to make do with hiking with dogs for a couple of hours a day, cycling (either inside on Zwift, or outside when we are permitted), and digging the garden. It's not rock and roll, but it's what we have access to. Gyms are a bit depressing too though, all those people on treadmills reminds me of some dystopian future. At least dog walking up hills and gardening seems to achieve something, and is free!

@KyleMcStravick 3 года назад

Easy, tiger.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@KyleMcStravick 🤣🤣🤣 ‘the last time I post my weight in a suspension video 😆

@firstchoicelastchoice28 3 года назад

What a stupid suggestion. You have to run 40 miles at a good pace to lose 1 pound of body weight !! Diet is how. A Gym will do nothing

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

@@firstchoicelastchoice28 now I’m definitely not going to a gym 🤣. (They are all still closed, apparently. We are ‘allowed’ out from tomorrow though, so that’s nice!)

@onthepegs 3 года назад

It is the same suspension as on the CRF250L / Rally. Useless! Even for smaller riders it is sh... But the helmet hook, that is there... Don't understand honda.

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

I think there’s a couple of changes in that there’s a bit more travel (whether you can use it is another matter) and a new frame and swingarm, and yes, the helmet hook 🤣 #priorities

@RonaiHenrik 3 года назад

Lol I went to the dealership and they told "welllll, we will have to take out the whole spring to adjust the preload". I already got it scheduled but will cancel it, I am not willing to pay another 40-50 bucks for 1 hour of their time to take the spring out and put it back in. Fucking clowns. Btw, I'm around 92-95 kg with riding gear (86 without), do you think this could help a lot in my case? And what's that tool called?

@PeakMotorcycles 3 года назад

Seriously? If you can, try taking the weight off the back wheel and reaching in to see if you can turn it by hand. This didn’t work for me, but it has for others. You may need to loosen the lock nut first. The tool is anything you can get onto the notches in the lock ring. I used a drift and a hammer, but others have also managed it with a screwdriver. For your weight (30kg lighter than me!) I expect it will still be under sprung, but only a little. So yes, I think it’ll help. Apparently 65-70kg is the sweet spot for the spring. Pre-load won’t change that, but it will raise the bike a little. Definitely not a ‘taking the spring out’ job for pre-load. ‘Clowns indeed. Good luck with it!

@RonaiHenrik 3 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles And sadly this is not the first time they seem to be an incompetent bunch.

@Broxty 2 года назад

Dude weighs 120kg??? That's your problem, not the spring lol. This bike was engineered for riders up to 80/90kg..... your overweight body is the problem.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

I know right? What were they thinking!? Mind you, it seems that I am not alone, plenty of others in the same boat. It has a lot of ballast. Thanks for the comment though. It means a lot. Ride safe. You might also find that this bike is sprung for someone who is 70kg. If you are more than 70kg in gear that I’m afraid to say that you and your overweight body are also in the boat. You are very welcome of course Sir. Everyone is. Though as your favourite video is ‘how to butcher a deer in your kitchen’ please could you make sure you mop up the blood when you’re finished. Thanks.

@Broxty 2 года назад

@@PeakMotorcycles I'm 6'2", my weight is perfect for for my height. Sure hope you're taller than me with that weight.

@PeakMotorcycles 2 года назад

@@Broxty I’m sure it is, just not for the bike. I think that your point was about weight, not height. It’s always good to meet someone as modest as yourself even if you appear to be impolite on the internet. I wish you the best for your future.

@phantomshtter Год назад

The amount of people willing to spend $1000 instead of drop the 50lb gut they're hanging is so sad to me.

@PeakMotorcycles Год назад

I’m so sorry to hear that how other people spend their own money and make their own personal choices makes you sad. Not sure what else to suggest really. I hope you find a way to work this out. Good luck.