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There's nothing more heartbreaking than your mountain bike getting nicked; Doddy shows you how to take the best action in preventing your pride and joy being stolen by installing a ground anchor 🛠
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It's a good idea to install a ground anchor even if you store your bikes in a shed or garage for an added level of security; consider the placement of the anchor, the material it will be secured into, and the type of anchor itself.
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@gmbntech 5 лет назад

Have you installed a ground anchor?

@RobertSchuster68 5 лет назад

GMBN Tech why are you not having any pedal on your bikes? Another security protection. Did you than also put your pedals in a Tresor? Did you also install a camera, noise-Alarm and a automatically pepper spray?

@Bodom1after1midnight 5 лет назад

Just installed the gold rated Oxford one to the wall. A good tip is to not leave tools that thieves can used laying around in the same room as the bikes. If you're storing your bikes in your workshop or garage, just be wary of how easy the access is to your cordless tools, angle griners/drills/crowbars.

@dx-nils4516 5 лет назад

At time not but i want to buy one. but can i insatiate a groundanker on the sealing?

@rupedog 5 лет назад

Yep, 2 anchors, and D lock and heavy chain. But nothing is impregnable.

@andycanon1 5 лет назад

Yep. I installed a ground anchor and then built my bike cave on top of it. I run a kryptonite chain through the floor to one bike and use another to chain all of my bikes together.

@andre0baskin 4 года назад

When drilling into the concrete it helps to start the hole with the hammer function off. That way the drill bit jumps around a lot less. Once you have a small hole started then engage the hammer function to drill the rest of the hole.

@Inverted8 5 лет назад

Very important to keep all your cutting gear locked as well! You don't want to have your bolt croppers and angle grinders at hand for thieves to use. Or keep them away from the garage.

@legion2k988 3 года назад

Tip for getting the dust out.. When running the vacuum over the hole. Have a straw stuck down in there but outside of the vacuum. The vacuum will draw are from the hole and the straw will replace that air acting like a little blower all the way to the bottom. Gets all the dust out.

@tylerkammerer4932 5 лет назад

A pro tip, put a wrap of tape around the drillbit to mark the depth . I hold the insert next to the tip and put a bit of tape just above the insert, then you drill down to the tape.

@johannwinkler2183 5 лет назад

Im a climber and we use similar bolts for protection when installing them I also take a small round brush to clean the hole out and a straw to blow out the rest

@edwinparson346 5 лет назад

Just recently had to install a anti-theft device during a hike & bike in Wrangell mnts in Alaska. I forgot/didn't want the extra weight and hassle of a lock in backpack. So when began hiking parked bike at carpark by park rangers and installed my two stinky riding socks across the top tube woven in between cables. I also left it in hardest gear, shoes clipped to peddles, & helmet woven around head tube cables... I was so happy to see my bike was still there... ...and a hope for humanity. ...or maybe it was the socks that we're the deterent?

@steveballzack1409 2 года назад

You probably just have an ugly bike 😜

@MrSpongepimp 5 лет назад

fancy a ride mate? " Yeah, just gimme five"... wind blows .... "FFS Doddy , are u coming or what ?' .." Just locking the Earth to my bikes" .( I did like this video)

@Uncle_Tom 3 года назад

Guy is not taking any chances...

@Bushchannel Месяц назад

😂lol

@gchsbus 3 года назад

I do not have any of these. BUT this guy is right on point. I have a hole I drilled in my wood utility shed floor and the installed a 20 foot long ground anchor. I attach my motorcycle and UTV to it. Frame to anchor. I use a chain with a kevlar sleeve to secure it. I also run a an additional cable lock from one of the wheels to the frame. Fast forward, there has been a lot of bikes stolen from garages in my area as of recent. People have broken into my garage but I still have my stuff. Enough said. Even if your stuff is in a garage, anchor it.

@Garfie1d73 4 года назад

Where did the power for the power drill come from? Well, from the same power outlet the thief will use for his angle grinder. So keep in mind to install a circuit breaker for your garage power outlets that can only be accessed from somewhere else but your bicycle shed.

@davidking3699 5 лет назад

The problem is sometimes if the thief is in your garage, he also has access to your grinder, bolt cutters or crowbars... consider locking those tools into a cupboard to make it just that much harder... the weakest link is where they will attack, so the cables with minimum rating bring the rest of the system down to that level... Make sure your insurance covers the true value of the bikes, and check the insurance companies requirements are met regarding deadlocks, window locks, etc. Ultimately, attaching a hungry rottweiler on a short lead to the ground anchor is the best solution. Also, a webcam to get an alert on your phone and some footage for the police is a good idea too.

@wolfe1970 4 года назад

4:54 with SDS drills you dont need to put all that weight on it to drill, the hammer in the drill does all the work for you, all you need to do is hold the drill firmly and let it drill, even the weight of the drill is enough pressure.

@derekhobbs1102 5 лет назад

Dust mask. I can not stress that enough.

@ThinkyPain 5 лет назад

THIS. Silicosis is no joke.

@richardhaselwood9478 5 лет назад

Hear hear....

@jamesmcfarlane4060 3 года назад

@@ThinkyPain 110% agree. I work with silica so masks are more than a necessity :).

@allflats 5 лет назад

Now we know why Doddy is late to a ride -- he's still unlocking his bike

@MotoErgoSum 5 лет назад

Tubular locks can be picked pretty easily with just a tension wrench and paper clip. Best to use a quality padlock and ideally have a MOTION DETECTION SYSTEM in your garage with an alarm. NOISE and TIME are the #1 deterrent for most thieves. If lights kick on and sirens fire up as soon as they enter the garage, that's a much bigger deterrent than any lock system.

@Mark-py8sn 27 дней назад

Great video, thanks. Good, clear, practical advice. Couldn't really ask for more.

@pknark 5 лет назад

As someone who works in construction, silica dust is really harmful. Always have a mask If you are drilling, cutting or jackhammering concrete for any (especially extended) amount of time

@Brurgh 5 лет назад

i hardly think dust would do much damage from a couple of holes in a well ventilated room.... the damage from silica dust would take multiple years of contant exposure to lead to threatening damage

@rupedog 5 лет назад

Top work Doddy... key is making it hard...its never impossible.

@magpie7791 5 лет назад

your bike is most likely going to get stolen in a situation where you just pop in a shop for a drink! It happened to me and to other people I know. I always lock it even if someone says they will look after it.

@evan2079 5 лет назад

Thanks for the advice

@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 5 лет назад

You need an alarm system too, preferrably one that will also call you up.

@MrPhillipgraham 3 года назад

One Word - SOUNDBOMB!

@999_pan 5 лет назад

If you have a screed floor and a DPM you may wanna use the resin to preserve the damp membrane rather than the expanding anchors

@temiongcecilio 2 года назад

NICE. wish you've shown the final lock process on the ground anchor.

@Red1skier 2 года назад

Brilliant - just what I needed.

@gmbntech 2 года назад

Nice! Glad this helped you out! 👍

@martaaay774 3 года назад

Top instructional video.... I will be following this over the weekend installing my Kryptonite anchor!!

@Flux_Flow 5 лет назад

Nice one Doddy. Been waiting on a security vid from GMBN. Wish you guys would talk about the locks themselves in detail and the chains used. Round chains vs Hexagonal shape and the diameter of lock u-shape vs cutters or grinders. Makes for a few videos I suppose. There are a lot of info out there on the subject but some not so reliable and would be a waste of money to buy junk right off the bat. Thanks again for what you guys do at GMBN

@fullcarbon991 5 лет назад

Great video Doddy, seems to be a big problem in the cycling industry. 👍

@Harper_and_Sineads_Adventures 4 года назад

Exactly the advice I was looking for. Thank you.

@Bushchannel Месяц назад

Good work sir

@mikuramsay 5 лет назад

You don't just want a plug in drill drill, you need a rotary hammer. And no, a impact gun won't cut it too. What's used in the video is a rotary hammer.

@oJ862 5 лет назад

A normal hammer drill won't hack it on concrete either, it will just slip about all over the place and create a weak hole. An SDS drill designed for concrete is pretty much the only tool for the job.

@mikuramsay 5 лет назад

and yes, a hammer drill is another name for impact gun

@bobbyhempel1513 5 лет назад

@@mikuramsay no it's not.

@bobbyhempel1513 5 лет назад

@@oJ862 a regular Milwaukee cordless hammer drill will drill through concrete just fine I do it all the time.

@mikuramsay 5 лет назад

@@bobbyhempel1513 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6UMY4lkcCqE.html It also depends on the type of concrete A rotary hammer gets the job done much faster and has less chance of slipping when drilling through hard concrete. The concrete on your floor is ussually much denser and hard to drill through compared to a wall.

@piotrlobacz 5 лет назад

There is easy option to fix to concrete and it may not be permanent. They are called concrete screws or thunderbolts. Drill holes and they just screw into holes with no permanent inserts required. Impact gun needed to drive or remove them.

@jackomahoney75 5 лет назад

Awesome video guys loved it. 😀

@connorpierson2267 5 лет назад

How long does it take to get one bike out, like an hour!?

@adampark8341 3 года назад

Turn key in padlock. Done

@7shahriyar Год назад

Great video, appreciate the efforts.

@5492sparky 5 лет назад

Great vid Doddy.

@davidsuzukiispolpot 5 лет назад

Yes, security! A big issue with bikes. Thank you

@Silverhaze78 3 года назад

Cordless grinders with a cutoff wheel are the bane of chains and locks these days.

@Asbjoern 5 лет назад

Corded doesn't matter, the drill does.

@lewisheaven2365 5 лет назад

It does, battery ones don't have as much tourqe or power

@maddox4556 5 лет назад

@@lewisheaven2365 get some proper tools, like Hilti. even bosch drills are better than DeWalt

@lewisheaven2365 5 лет назад

@@maddox4556 makita is perfectly fine, if you buy a corded SDS drill and a cordless SDS drill, same brand, same price (ish) the corded would be better

@OldBanHammer 3 года назад

Did the Bearing balls come with the lock to secure it after install?

@manu777tube 2 года назад

Excellent! I'm just still wondering why a 16mm drill bit for a M10 but apparently this is usually recommended so

@marcinstawczyk1836 2 года назад

Very helpful review nice one thank you

@unclealig 10 месяцев назад

nice video. is there a video which show on how you hang up your bikes on the wall. it seems theay are hanging on the rear wheel, the front wheel has been taken off, and the handlebar has been twisted in order to save space.

@MrAnon-2024 5 лет назад

Great video. Thanks for sharing 👍

@badlarry172 5 лет назад

Doddy’s spent more on locks than my bikes worth Interesting vid though Ta

@thebadness6217 5 лет назад

it's kinda sad we live in a world where we need to think about and invest so much in ways to prevent ourselves from being fucked over by other people. I just bought an $800 entry level bike and i have $400 worth of locks just for that bike just to ride it around town and to malls every so often.

@mikuramsay 5 лет назад

@@thebadness6217 yeah, it depends on the country too, in my country, people damage bikes instead of stealing them or nicking parts...

@thebadness6217 5 лет назад

@@mikuramsay what pieces of shit.

@badlarry172 5 лет назад

@@thebadness6217 yes sure is a sorry state of affairs

@Trinder47 5 лет назад

Cordless angle grinder with a 1mm cutoff disc will cut through all of the chains and the anchor

@_owen 5 лет назад

Exactly

@MrAnon-2024 5 лет назад

Did you actually listen to what he said? The idea is to make it as difficult/noisy/time consuming as possible. Plus, an opportunist local scaly is unlikely to carry a cordless grinder.

@samabrams5822 5 лет назад

Dont mess with doddy

@FatEd1357 2 года назад

Isn't there a risk of compromising the integrity of the damp proofing in the garage?

@paulsmakingmovies1451 2 года назад

Very informative thanks

@justinholmes5614 5 лет назад

I dropped mine into the concrete while casting the base. You’d need a jack hammer to get it out.

@matthewpendlebury3959 4 года назад

Can you put the plugs into concrete flags under a shed

@SteezyG 5 лет назад

It's a shame we live in a world where this is necessary.

@ckmoto83 3 года назад

well politicians/bankers etc are stealing us every day...car/bike/house thieves exist because politicians don't care about you.If they did care then a thief would spend 20 years in prison...But they dont care.Well if they steal your car/bike then you will have to buy another one so you will pay more taxes to them.Politicians love thieves.Someone stole my bike a few months ago.And now i must go to the bank to get another loan to buy another bike.So bankers must love thieves.

@nevilleroot7790 5 лет назад

I can definitely see the point in locking bikes in this manner for long-term storage in a less secure location but for the average, everyday use isn't it a little excessive? Wouldn't one ground anchor and an industrial chain be enough to secure bikes? Surely in most people's cases the noise of an angle grinder in the early hours of the morning is enough security?

@griswald7156 Год назад

I use a little tile drill just to get my centres right and eliminate drill drift.before i shove in my big boys..

@konamanstudio2447 5 лет назад

I guess you really don't know about Hammer Drilling you didn't wear any dust protection they do make cordless SDS hammer drills The silicone dust from concrete is very dangerous you think a couple holes no different heads up

@derekhobbs1102 5 лет назад

I met guy years ago that had his classic car bolted to garage floor.

@bobbyhempel1513 5 лет назад

There are plenty of cordless hammer drills available that will do that job no problem.

@Thepoolnewbie 4 года назад

May I pleased get the Amazon link to that ABUS anchor?

@wongalan7020 4 года назад

Nice video👍🏼

@BeardedPete 9 месяцев назад

what if you want to install one outdoors? (I know it's not ideal but still)

@Dan_Kornfeld 5 лет назад

Unfortunately, the ground anchor is only as good as the bike lock being used with it. It doesn’t matter how secure the anchor is, if the lock, cable, chain. etc, can be cut, picked, or otherwise defeated, the floor anchor is essentially worthless.

@Billy_W 2 года назад

What shoes are you wearing in this video?

@Iowahurler82 3 года назад

Do NOT use a pilot hole when hammer drilling any masonry.

@stingoh 2 года назад

Which model of bike wall rack are you using?

@JOE-hu9qk 5 лет назад

U could of striped the threads on the alan bolts

@shifty2755 4 года назад

Not with a hand tool.

@hedemalmcarl 3 года назад

6:33 just use a torque wrench for even torque

@Doc.Holiday 10 месяцев назад

Chain locks are easily silently defeated with hydraulic bolt cutters. That ground anchor could be popped the same way.

@braingasim 2 года назад

My shed doesn't have a concrete foundation. It has square stones, prob 6"x6" each. Is there a good solution for this? I was maybe thinking of getting a long piece of flat metal and then secure it to several of the stones, maybe 5-8 stones and then put the anchor in the middle? Will that work?

@amrgardner 10 месяцев назад

Can an angle grinder cut those grounds anchors easily?

@onecho2261 4 года назад

Great video. How about on tarmac?

@shifter65 4 года назад

Was hoping to see the final lock setup =/

@togair9 4 года назад

So this cannot removed when you put them in?

@andrewcairnsmrkiplin 2 года назад

can i install one into brick???

@ethanbrinkley3857 5 лет назад

This is basically the biggest you can’t steal my bikes campaign.

@Ana2398 3 года назад

I thought that these thin wired cables are the easiest to cut off.

@russc5269 5 лет назад

My house is timberframe with wood floors. What to find a way of securing my bikein the house. Have no garage so its the house.

@WIPEYOURLENZ 5 лет назад

👍🏻 if you’ve done this but can never be arsed locking the bikes up 🤦🏼‍♂️

@JoaoFerreira-qj4zp 4 года назад

If I buy an anchor and happen to move to other house, would it be impossible to remove the anchor without destroying the whole floor and taking it with me?

@samgodsiff 5 лет назад

Anyone else see the ground anchor settle further in the hole when putting in the ball bearings?????

@ComputermanAM13 4 года назад

I also used epoxy all around the rawlplugs and strong thread locker on the screws 😁

@R0BBS 2 года назад

link to the anchor used?

@larsborgman3443 5 лет назад

what would happen if you use a hydraulic car jack with like 4t and pull it up?

@cup_and_cone 5 лет назад

The you'd still have to figure out how to get five bikes out of a doorway that are locked together... The floor lock isn't the weak part of this system.

@drifterxl12 5 лет назад

If motorcycles get stolen with ground anchors, I don't see why they would hold a Mountainbike. Unless you keep them mounted in your living room

@zerdonbuarao1879 Год назад

Where i can buy

@ethanmiller4524 5 лет назад

I got it g force drill today's it goes like a spastic

@ChrisCapoccia 5 лет назад

Kryptonite Stronghold looks like something an angle grinder would cut through relatively quickly… if someone is going to be burglarizing, wouldn't they bring that kind of tool? maybe you only have stupid burglars. if angle grinders are a concern, they make anchors with rollers like the Almax Defiant

@MrAnon-2024 5 лет назад

Haven’t you heard of opportunist thieves?

@ChrisCapoccia 5 лет назад

If they're breaking into your garage, it's a more determined burglar

@MrAnon-2024 5 лет назад

The majority of toe-rags breaking into garages are opportunists looking to grab whatever they can ie electrical tools, gardening equipment, push bikes etc. to sell on. They can be in and out of a garage within minutes with something as basic as a screwdriver. They have no need to be carrying cordless grinders etc. They want to be in and out with what they can grab and be off. Someone breaking into a garage and taking a grinder with them will no doubt be doing so because they already know there’s expensive bikes in there, not opportunists which the majority will be.

@ChrisCapoccia 5 лет назад

maybe around you it works that way… this is the first i've ever heard of people breaking into garages to steal stuff. around me, it's out of sight out of mind

@MrAnon-2024 5 лет назад

It’s country wide and more of a ‘job’ for these people, usually to feed a drug habit.

@tyersonline 5 лет назад

Just curious, why would you need a ground anchor in your garage?

@tyersonline 5 лет назад

@Propaganda Blitz i mean if its in the garage, why such an anchor. Wouldnt it be better if the whole garage is set up with an alarm? Jist sayin 😎

@tgfedi 5 лет назад

What do you mean by registering the keys?

@reverendremiel 5 лет назад

Register your keys with your insurance company. (Most) Proper locks from reputable companies have serial numbers on the keys (and sometimes on the locks themselves). Note down these numbers along with the brand and make of your lock and give that to your insurance company when you insure your bike. In many cases they will forfeit your deductible if your bike is stolen whilst being locked with your registered lock/key and some insurance companies will even cover the cost of a new, identical bike (or better, if your specific brand/model is no longer available).

@tgfedi 5 лет назад

@@reverendremiel Thank you. In my country it's very rare to find a company that will insure a bike... and it's very complicated.

@fakename9029 4 года назад

"Thatcher rating" seems odd. Is she perceived as that tough?

@bjorne46 5 лет назад

So here's a thought; Thief comes in; tries to pick locks, and break chains... unsuccessfully .... but leaves your bikes scuffed and damaged. I'd rather have good insurance, and get my bike replaced I Guess. I do take a good lock with me on holidays, because insurance companies maybe just as bad as thieves in the end. :P

@cup_and_cone 5 лет назад

Similar thoughts here: A thief is more likely to break a frame or cause serious damage trying to get the locks off than taking the bikes...then you end up with a broken bike an no insurance payout because they didn't steal it.

@justinbowyer6760 3 года назад

@@cup_and_cone Problem is, if they're not locked and bolted the insurance doesn't pay out. All in the small print

@cup_and_cone 3 года назад

@@justinbowyer6760 Not true for everyone. With my homeowner's insurance (in USA), as long as it is inside my physical house with locked doors/windows, then it's covered just the same as the television, jewelry, etc. The important thing is to read (or ask) your insurer and take any precautions to ensure you're covered.

@cup_and_cone 5 лет назад

I'm guessing this security is more applicable to a detached garage/shed and not home? I can definitely understand locking up something with sentimental value that's irreplaceable, but if a thief breaks into our actual home (where bikes live), I think they would be far more interested in going after things like the big screen TVs, jewelry boxes, car/house/storage keys, personal financial paperwork like bank info and tax info, computers/laptops, etc. This stuff is worth far more than bikes and is enough to ruin lives.

@secretsquirrel4137 4 года назад

I've never had a TV worth 5k ......Jewelry box worth 3k but I've had 10k worth of bikes stolen in one hit - had to put them in the Shed for two nights whilst decorating the house. Daisy chained them together with U Locks and Motorbike chains but the lot was carried out in one hit by the thieving scumbags - talk about opportunistic. Still think someone at Evans Cycles had something to do with it as the 5k bike was 2 weeks old and obviously someone had been watching the house.

@brianelston7583 4 года назад

I live in an apartment building, I would like to store my bike in my underground parking space, but there is nothing to lock the bike to. I cannot get permission to drill anywhere though... wondering if anyone has any unique ideas. was thinking cinderblocks but people could just break those...

@Tousain 4 года назад

First thing that comes to mind.; just get some bags of concrete, and a box made of wood. Pour the concrete, let it dry, remove the wood. After that just drill in your cube of concrete. Make sure the cube is heavy though, like 50kg + with no ways to properly carry it..

@paulhusky580bts 5 лет назад

16mm or larger chain can't be bolt cropped look up SecurityForBikes.com

@ryansara3398 5 лет назад

Those cable locks are rubbish, my key snapped off in it and I managed cut my bike free is a few minutes with some cheap pliers

@Silece88 3 года назад

now the dyson vacuum is worthless. its not made for this kind of dust.

@zonoskar 5 лет назад

What's with the wonky camera wobble and movements? Love the show, but this is gives me seasickness.

@clenilma100 Год назад

I haven't had any HUGE issues with this lock yet! ru-vid.comUgkxfyHDlEqk6hqu9acdvK5NGzZsGKSokSbv It seems sturdy and like it will get the job done. I really like that it has a twisting lock feature to keep out dirt and debris. However, the mounting system is much too light for the lock, and continues to get loose/move around. It's mostly made of plastic parts, and I've had to tighten it a few times in the past week or so that I've had it. I'm worried that it's going to break off at some point while I'm riding. I'm considering just scrapping that part, but that would mean having to carry the heavy lock i my backpack and adding more weight. I wish I could have given this more stars, but without the mounting system, it's just another heavy lock that I have to cart around. UPDATE: Increased rating to 5 stars because the seller offered to provide a new lock and mounting system. Really appreciate the attention to customer service!!

@kevinmontoya7318 4 года назад

I mean you got the right drill but you dont have the right vacuum

@no_handle_required 5 лет назад

So they cut the lock and chain and the floor anchor stays in place for the insurance replaced bike. hehehe. seriously though, nice setup to give the thugs something to worry about.

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 5 лет назад

Don't be fooled by "heavy duty" bike chains. There is no 16mm thick bike chain, but there is 16mm and possibly thicker bike U-lock. 16mm is the magic number that makes 1m long bolt cutters useless, even when one handle is resting on the floor and a heavy guy trying to jump onto the other. The jaws are spread so wide, that you can not put any significant leverage on handles. And bolt cutters are one of the quiet type tools for the job, so it's fairly important you eliminate those. Unfortunatelly, u-locks are not good for a large steed in some kind of a stand.