22:33 You don't need to know your CPU, just use -march=native and let the compiler find out your CPU and all the instructions it supports. That's the default option that Gentoo recommends and it can provide better results than selecting the architecture, though mostly it's the same thing. 24:12 Remember that compiling certain rare packages can take up almost 2GB per thread, at least when compiled with couple of threads and heavy optimization flags. So if compiling crashes, it most likely is because it run out of memory. But you can just try again with less threads without any problems caused to your installation.
Thanks! Yes it mentions using native in the Wiki too. Good tip about reducing the jobs too. I had to do this when I was finishng up. It was either qtwebengine or firefox that failed because of memory, and reducing the jobs allowed it to finish. This is mentioned in the upcoming part 2 video :)
@@Doriandotslash Spidermonkey javascript engine is probably the most memory hungry package on the default desktop installation. Firefox and qtwebengine requires a ton of memory too. And qtwebengine takes the crown the compile time. And thanks for these videos. Someones Gentoo installation video made me try to install it myself. Hopefully many more start that journey because of your videos.
I feel like I just watched someone perform digital neurosurgery on a computer, and here I am happy that I was able to correctly partition my hard drive to dual boot windows and kde neon without accidentally burning my house down. I learned a lot from this video and am looking forward to part 2. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
How to install Gentoo Linux - part one is a well paced narrated guide through the first steps of installing Gentoo Linux. The presentation is very well put together and the explanations are easy to follow and understand but you can hear the toll that the torture of dependency hell has had in the voice of the host. I love the optimistic teaching style which tries to mask the pain and suffering of command line compiling packages from scratch in order to inspire and motivate newcomers and you can tell that great care went into editing out all the screams and tears at compiler errors so as not to depress his newer viewers. He almost makes this dystopain nightmare seem somewhat fun - a true masterpiece of educational post apocalyptic content!
Love it ❤️ !! .... Gentoo & ArchLinux are my favorites flavours !!... I think I will install it this weekend.. 90s music, beer and installing Gentoo 🥳🍺
for people who will install it on bare metal, gentoo live cd comes with the "screen" utility, it will be nice to split your terminal for work and for reading documentation while installing
Thank you for your tutorial. I think that Gentoo makes more sense for those people who build their own rig and for OEM selling computers with Linux pre-installed so that they'll have the OS perfectly tuned for their hardware. Apple takes FreeBSD into their MacOS and have a perfectly tuned system for their hardware. Google takes Gentoo to make their Chrome OS to be perfectly coupled with the hardware made from third parties.
@@Doriandotslash i agree with the learning thing, but the masses don't want to learn but they only wants something that works. This guy here at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Av-NBWG8qtQ.html explains quite well what Linux really needs to become more relevant to the masses and the developers.
@@3120s just give them games, MS Office and Adobe software and common people will be using Mint or Ubuntu. Gentoo is for power users and should remain as such.
Apple doesn't take FreeBSD and do things with it. MacOS and FreeBSD were both forked off of the same place, back in the late 90s, but besides that they have no relationship. Netflix uses FreeBSD for its content servers though.
Fascinating stuff. I only knew Gentoo from the "install Gentoo" meme, but a fully customizable operating system sounds like you could learn a lot from it. Wish I could do this on my M1 MacBook, but I don't think they're supported at this time. One day.
Hah, well it's not that bad to be honest. If you follow the handbook it's fairly straightforward even if you occasionally have to find some things out along the way. It's definitely a great way to learn.
The info on partitioning at 10:44 in the video has changed to say just use fdisk like in most linux installations now. From the wiki: "Both fdisk and parted are partitioning utilities. fdisk is well known, stable, and recommended for the MBR partition layout. parted was one of the first Linux block device management utilities to support GPT partitions, and provides an alternative. Here, fdisk is used since it has a better text-based user interface." Thanks for first half. I've been interested in this distro for awhile.
I recently did a Gentoo on my Playstation 3 (PPC64). Been living in the OS for a few weeks now. Enjoying the experience. (I also run Fedora on PS3 as well). Having some trouble compiling custom kernels (i'm currently using pre-builts from a friend's github). Dracut keeps building broken initramfs images, and genkernel takes WAAAY too long on PS3. So I just built my own custom initramfs and will try it on my next reboot - wish me luck! Also, having trouble getting xorg to start (and not freeze) running in framebuffer. Still diagnosing that problem. Later, I will work on getting alsa configured. Fun fun fun! 🙂 Anyway, good video. I should make a similar one for Gentoo on PS3. Keep up the good work!
I tried Gentoo Linux for the first time last night. Love it. Instant internet connection on that Live cd. But this is way too hard to install it. I wish there was an easier way to install it?
Great video as always, thanks Dorian! By the way, can you make one in the future about Solus OS? I played with it for some time now, and although I don't think it's something really special (but I do like it), for some reason it was the distro that was the most liked among the people I installed it for. Still trying to figure it out, so I would really like your two cents on the subject. Let's say I'm still hesitant to go public about how cool it is, so... Anyways, thanks for the great content.
Thank you very much! Solus is a good distro. But last time I tried it, they had slightly outdated packages. This can be remedied by using flatpaks. But what really got me turn off was that when I installed it on hardware, it overwrote all my bootloaders, making my system unbootable and I had to do a recovery to get my system up and running again. To be honest I haven't used in quite a while, but I'll try a newer version and give it another shot. However, my current go-to distro is Debian after recently switching to it from Arch.
Yeah, you're right about the outdated packages, that's still mostly the case. But it wasn't too much of a concern for me. I set it up mostly for my friends and family who wanted an OS for basic stuff (surfing, videos, music, some basic games even...). I installed it with Budgie on some kind of older hardware (all of them circa 2011) and it ran pretty smooth, not to mention that everyone was amazed of how good and fresh it looked. Flatpaks...errr, yeah... but not my cup of tea, to be honest. Anyway, I kept solus on my old laptop that everyone in the house can use (good old, reliable and hellishly ugly Dell laptop with 2nd gen i5), but my daily driver is Mint/Cinnamon that I use since 2013 for all my work, programming and pretty much everything else. I don't really think it's "the best ever" or some stupid thing like that, but I tried several other distros and I always get back to it. It never failed me. And yes, Debian - although I really thought of it as the papa of my Mint, I never really dared to go for it. Never really thought of myself as linux expert enough for it, idk... :D Gonna go watch your latest video on it, who knows... maybe this is the time ;) Thanks once again!
Hey, Thanks for your video! I think you have forgot the 'mount (/run)' in the video. :root #mount --bind /run /mnt/gentoo/run root #mount --make-slave /mnt/gentoo/run
FYI, if you back out of the installation and what to go back. Before you do all those mount commands you showed ('mount --types proc /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc' and so forth) you need to run a mount command in the previous section: 'mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/gentoo' Without that mount command everything will be screwed up. Like, you're /mnt/gentoo folder will contain nothing and none of the mount commands you showed will work, and you can't chroot. I literally just found that out myself lol.
I have an issue when installing the packages in 39:00 it looks like there is 1 blocked package "sys-libs/musl" and I tried to exclude it by emerge --deselect [package name]. but it didn't do anything. (sorry for bad English)
this is quite technical, i would strongly suggest users are comfortable installing Arch first (not using the install script). its not mandatory of course, but should ensure you are at a certain level of knowledge.
If you're using UEFI you don't need a BIOS Boot partition (the first one you created). Also, if you do need it (BIOS/GPT combination) you don't format it ( www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/BIOS-installation.html ), like you did later on as FAT. Did the Handbook specifically state that? I just checked and the whole BIOS/GPT scheme isn't there (I'm a bit lazy to check the edit history of the wiki).
Yeah I just followed the steps. I noticed it said to make that partition for UEFI even though it’s not used, but I decided to just follow the steps as written. It may have changed now because it’s always being tweaked.
Hey Dorian Gentoo is hair pulling however LFS, yes it's not a distro like Gentoo but it puts Linux on your computer, is suicidal after 4 attempts and almost throwing myself and the pc out the window I got there. It lasted 45 minutes and 28 seconds straight back to arch. I climbed everest I came down really quickly lol :-)
Yeah you really need to take the time to read the steps in the Wiki when doing this. It's not a quick install the first couple times you do it that's for sure!
Sir where can I find the old handbook?, the content of recent handbook is different especially in partition parts, it only tell you to use fdisk and not to detailed
Yes the handbook is constantly evolving, so things change all the time. You can still use the video as a general guide, but following the handbook is the way to go if you see anything different.
Got as far as 26:08 but mirrorselect throws an exception No module names 'pkg_resources' The version of python it is using is 3.9.9 and there is no pip to grab it. Your tutorial is really good, just thinking perhaps gentoo isn't for me 🙂 Any chance of seeing the format of the lines it adds to the make.conf file please? Cheers Paul J
I had the same problem. I'm not shure why it happens but It's easy to fix. First you skip that command, and before running 'emerge --ask --verbose --update --deep --newuse @world' you run 'emerge app-portage/mirrorselect' and then 'mirrorselect -i -o >> /etc/portage/make.conf'. That's it.
@@stevanlg1844 I have the same problem. I get "-bash: emerge: command not found" Also I'm not sure what you mean by "before running...". Are you saying I should run "emerge app-portage/mirrorselect" first, "emerge --ask --verbose --update --deep --newuse @world" socond, and then do "mirrorselect -i -o >> /etc/portage/make.conf" ?
@@_vertigo_1841 I'm sorry, english is not my native language. -First you skip that command -Then you continue the gide, and before running "emerge --ask --verbose --update --deep --newuse @world" you run these two commands: -"emerge app-portage/mirrorselect" -"mirrorselect -i -o >> /etc/portage/make.conf" If you have any other problem, make sure that you ran all the commands as the wiki says, because they can change over time.
27:57 The documentation says "The --make-rslave operations are needed for systemd support later in the installation." which means that I have to run commands "mount --make-rslave [...]" when using OpenRC or not?
Your fist line in the video is why I don't use Gentoo. Also the age of my hardware would make compile times extremely long. Thanks for putting in the time and effort and energy. I learned a lot thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. Yes much older hardware would take quite a while to compile. And you’d likely want to stick with something very lightweight like a TWM just to save compile time. Some people compile on a newer machine and then copy it to the older machine but that takes a bit of set up work to do.
@Terrific Tape That’s a really hard question to answer. I don’t have similar hardware to compare, and compile time all depends on what you’re compiling. Even just compiling the same thing on two machines can vary depending on what use flags you have set.
Great to finally have a comprehensive Gentoo series! I did a base install a while ago however I had no luck getting my wifi to work. Could you please add a WM as well? (Xmonad would be awesome!) By the way, isn't Plasma going to take forever to compile on Gentoo? (another reason to go minimal).
I really liked your video, it's very helpful - the only suggestion I would make is to warn people at the beginning which stage to use (openrc, not systemd) - I downloaded the systemd stage and then I get to 35:00 and you're like "systemd is very complicated to set up" ....well shit, time to start over XD
10 yrs ago, Gentoo was great, now new users & advanced usually default to Arch, most advanced without hassle, Gentoo only has OpenRC as a selling point tbh.
For compiling this u can also use ssh i dont know if gentoo iso provides one, i manage to compile gentoo via some random distro with ssh using my 2nd laptop and some time after just my phone
Im trying to make a download for this distro, so i have linux portable, but i was wondering how to do that without accidentally formating any of the windows drives. how do i do this on the external drive, so i don't overwrite any files?
Great tutorial! Do you know what determines the amount of packages that the initial @world pulls in? Mine was 225, yours was 124... I just selected the generic desktop profile since I want to run a wm, and left on Bluetooth. Everything else was the same.
Years ago, I (somehow) managed to get Gentoo installed on a Pentium 4 machine. I definitely didn't know what I was doing and the resulting desktop was totally useless, quite possibly broken even. Would love to give it a go again though.
gentoo is realy not that easy, im running vanilla arch since 2 years but i see i can still learn much from gentoo. Is there any realy preformance benifite are they some benchmarks? or any other benifits beside customization and opimization?
I did an Arch Linux installation video already, it's on my channel. It wasn't a speed run because I explained things during the install. If I want to install it quick, I use my script :)
Thanks for explaining so clearly! I'm new to Linux but am genuinely considering installing Gentoo... not just to flex the meme, I swear :D Shoot, I didn't even know that Windows doesn't have BIOS anymore. I hope I don't screw something up :P
This is a good video, it's making me want to try Gentoo. But is there really a need to use swap partitions any more? I've never used one. Unless you're handling gigantic media files as part of a work flow surely they aren't necessary any more, right? I have 16GB RAM in my laptop and can't see the point.
@@Doriandotslash sorry for the late response, yes that was the cause and I fixed it days ago I also needed to use -march=native - 02 pipe, thank you for the help! And also thank u for the awesome tuts :D
Hi man, following your tutorial. Trying to move from Arch to Gentoo. I noticed that If I put EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--jobs=6 --load-average=6", as my CPU is a 6-core i5, in make.conf, the world set update runs MUCH faster. Also noticed that emerge hides all compiler output when this option is set. Why is this?
With load-average you're telling the compiler to use 100% of the available CPU, which might make sense as to why you won't see any output, because 100% of the CPU is dedicated to compiling the code leaving none to display output. I'm not sure if this could result in issues with the CPU overheating or running at max temp the entire time, so make sure you have good cooling. This may also be additional wear and tear on the CPU over time.
Hello! Thanks for the video! I'm new in gentoo, trying to install and faced the problem. To make "emerge --ask --verbose --update --deep --newuse @world" go, I had to exclude bluetooth in "USE" option. But if I need bluetooth on the laptop, can I install it later, when the installation of gentoo will be done?
I haven't tried that, but I always disable bluetooth since my desktops don't have it. Best bet would be to remove the exclude afterwards and see if it works then. Otherwise you might need to hit up the forums for hardware support questions.
I'm curious how I would set up the disks on my PC. I have 3 separate SSDs, one with Windows, one with openSUSE and one with Ubuntu. The bootloaders for all 3 are on the same EFI partition on one of the drives. Typically if I install a new distro it will find that EFI partition and do whatever it needs to do to add the bootloader to what's existing. Let's say I want to replace Ubuntu with Gentoo - how would that work since you have to select everything manually?
@@nikize Yes some things are automated with it, and enabled automatically when installed etc. But all those are just part of how it works. All the code and documentation is available for it, including any change logs. I personally don't mind it as long as it doesn't hinder performance, privacy, or create security issues. And for me it never has. This is the beauty of Linux though. You have choices. There are plenty of distros that don't use systemd, and some that offer alternate versions without it as well. Or you could also change it, like changing DMs or DEs, or go hard and build it all yourself like Gentoo or Arch.
What I did, was boot up using a livecd with a full desktop(knoppix worked fine, I actually used an Ubuntu disk once) so that you can use a terminal emulator taking up half the screen(or one of your 2+ screens) and have a browser open to the handbook and/or Google while you're working. This also works for Arch. I seem to recall Gentoo offering such a live cd at one point as well, back before gnome3, but the last time I tried it something wasn't working(I think I had a really crap usb wifi card at the time that would only work out of the box on the ubuntu livecd but gentoo took more work, so I held off on that till after the install). Do they not offer such a livecd anymore, is it only a basic vt?
Hi! Really awesome tutorial. I've one question though. Do you know how to install gentoo with musl libc? I tried stage 3 with vanilla musl and set appropriate profile (the musl experimental one) but when I tried the emerge world it gave me compilation error saying something about __UT_HOSTSIZE which probably is a libc header. I've seen that some people installed gentoo with musl without problems so that's a bit odd. I don't have anything against glibc but I really like musl so using the old and stable glibc will not be a big problem for me.
Thank you! But I have to admit I've never used musl on any distro so I'm not sure there. Even when I used Void for a bit, I never tried their musl version...
@@Doriandotslash I really like Alpine Linux for being very fast lightweight distro that works even without spending a full day installing it and it uses musl. Some software is still not compatibile with musl though. Thanks for reply and very informative gentoo video! :D
Wow that's quite the difference. How many threads did you set? The i7 can do 8. I used 12 of my 16 available in my system. But I didn't think there's be that much of a difference from 8 to 12. I know yours is an older cpu and a mobile one, but that's crazy
You see, my problem with people doing Gentoo install videos is they ALWAYS use VMs. Most of them even say "oh, the install using a VM is the same as-" NO! IT IS NOT! If you aren't installing onto real hardware - if you're installing to a VM, you have the particular set of virtual drivers that VM requires. Be it VirtualBox, HyperV, VMWare, or what-have-you. On REAL HARDWARE, you have variety. And variety makes things difficult. Showing me an install in a VM does nothing. It does not convey the TRUTH of installing onto real hardware. New users see these videos and think "oh, that looks easy! I'll do that!" ...Then they try it on real hardware and it is nothing like what you show. I've been using Gentoo for over 15 years. I would know.
I have my system up and running, but I have one more question. I selected my profile as the first one in the list because I wanted i3 window manager. Only later did I realize I should have selected desktop. Can I change my profile later on? Can I stick with the profile I'm using and be fine just by install X and i3?
I used to do a lot of distro hopping back in the day before there was any UEFI laptops around. I hear it just makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to dual boot windows and a Linux distro. I wouldn't mind having Gentoo around on my machine to fiddle with it every once in a while but I don't want to break anything related to windows because I do my work on it. Do you think it's worthwhile to follow the Gentoo handbook for a laptop with latest gen hardware? (6th gen Ryzen)
You should still be able to format as a GPT disk, and then follow the same steps steps for the BIOS install. The only difference would be formatting your disk to GPT instead of MBR/msdos.
A linux distro is only hard to install because it gives the user more customization capabilities ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Change my mind
Hi! I am at emerge but it gives me an error: Use changes necessary to proceed media-libs/freetype-2.11.0-r1 harfbuzz. I tried adding harfbuzz to USE but gives me a circular dependency with freetype. Could you help me out?
After a sleepless night I finally managed to find a solution. I ran etc-update, auto resolved all the issues with -3 and executed emerge update as you specified in the video. It is currently installing 😅 Sorry to bother and thank you for a great video 🙂
Hello, Dorian! Great videos! Thanks to you, I am now hooked on Gentoo. I tried Part 1 and Part 2 on a bare metal laptop (Razer Blade 15” Advanced (2020) | RZ09-0330x). Almost perfect. My graphics (NVIDIA® GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER™ Max-Q) and touchpad [Glass touchpad (Microsoft Precision Touchpad) failed to work properly. Would you be interested in doing another trio of Gentoo install videos? It would be amazing if you demonstrated (1.) dual-booting with Windows 11 (secure boot enabled), (2.) activating graphics software (given that most Linux capable hardware in 2022 seems to gravitating to Nvidia) (3.) activating touchpads (4.) lastly, btrfs FS setup w/ encryption. Would you kindly help me/us, please? It would be amazing if you did! Thank you so very much in advance.
Gentoo is awesome, though installing soystemd should be criminal act. Gentoo is best with lite desktops or with window managers. Gentoo is stable and amazing. After initial learning period it's hard to switch to anything else anymore. Gentoo testing branch with GentooLTO overlay, that's where the journey ends. Linux can't get better than that. But don't go straight to these, learn Gentoo first.
@@Doriandotslash I had about half a decade of Linux experience before switching to Gentoo. That initial installation process forced me to learn almost as much new things that I knew before. Though this happened because I installed it on Virtualbox version that had some issues. I couldn't get things working, and naturally I thought it's because of Gentoo. I troubleshooted like crazy and learned a ton. Finally I tried different settings on Virtualbox, and now it started working. Later I installed Gentoo on my laptop. I had to use wifi for installation process, not the easiest thing. And getting bluetooth, power management, Qemu virtualization etc. working on that laptop was another learning experience. And finally I wanted to optimize everything to be as fast as possible. So I used testing branch to get GCC 10, GentooLTO overlay to get LTO and Graphite loop optimizations. And PGO and 0fast level for all packages, GentooLTO has exceptions on those packages that require them. I end this novel by saying I enjoyed the ride and found the same excitement on computing I had when I was child in late 80s playing with Commodore 64 and later with Amigas.
@@juzujuzu4555 Yes, hitting snags is frustrating, but the Wiki is complete enough to get going again, and like you said, you learn a LOT by doing it all and fixing things too.
@@Doriandotslash My problems with Virtualbox was because of Virtualbox bugs. Those got fixed in less than month from my installation. Otherwise I think majority will be fine by just following the wiki. And I have to say, Gentoo IRC channel is filled with the most helpful and kind people I have encountered anywhere. They are extremely nice towards beginners. This is a well known fact advertised by many.
Hi Dorian, I am working with your video, but the merge in @world has been taking more than 12 hours, which can be the reason of it? in USE I have added "-bluetooth -systemd -qtwebengine -webengine -gnome"
For most other distros where I have 16GB of RAM or more, I usually don't use one. However, Gentoo uses a LOT of RAM when compiling certain packages. So having swap with Gentoo might be a good idea.
@@Doriandotslash According to Alan Pope of Ubuntu you always should use swap, even if you have enough memory. He explained it on a Big Daddy Linux Live episode once.
If you have SSD I wouldn't use swap at all on Gentoo. If your compiling runs out of memory, it starts to swap and utilize SSD at 100% speed. It's much better for compiler to run out of memory, then it crashes without causing any problems. If your SSD starts to swap at 100% it also makes everything unresponsive and you have to hard reset the system. Gentoo uses about 50mb of RAM, and 250mb with Mate Desktop and all drivers (wifi+Bluetooth) included. If you are not having other software running on the background, then swapping is useless. The amount of Gentoo's memory you can swap is minimal. In case you want to compile on the background while using other software, then I would rather lower the threads compiler is allowed to use. That saves memory and makes Gentoo more responsive while compiling.
